Correct to remove Russia from international sport?

[DS3]

And when America bombed Iran, Syria, Iraq, why were you all silent??? And as soon as the Russians began to defend their interests, everyone immediately woke up and went against us! And I'll tell you why! Because everyone is afraid of the Russians. I didn't want war! I don't want any war at all! But double standards and hypocrisy I hate most of all.

No matter how much a Russian such as yourself attempts to disguise their true feelings (it's all about sports) you just can't keep them under wraps.

....As soon as the Russians began to defend their interests....

Their interests? Outed yourself right then and there.

And, for what it is worth, millions in the West protest against war. I would imagine if a million had been showing up in Red Square to protest, the rest of the world might have been less inclined to impose sanctions in the manner they have.

https://www.google.com/search?q=UK+...yXB7sQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1280&bih=569&dpr=1.5

 

[mavrulit]

No matter how much a Russian such as yourself attempts to disguise their true feelings (it's all about sports) you just can't keep them under wraps.

....As soon as the Russians began to defend their interests....

Their interests? Outed yourself right then and there.

And, for what it is worth, millions in the West protest against war. I would imagine if a million had been showing up in Red Square to protest, the rest of the world might have been less inclined to impose sanctions in the manner they have.

https://www.google.com/search?q=UK+...yXB7sQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1280&bih=569&dpr=1.5

Everyone saw what they wanted to see. America can do everything and bomb sovereign states and drop nuclear bombs on Japanese cities ... Everything is possible! A million people came out to protest then? Not! And why ... I'm Russian and I'm against the war! I have always been against any war.

 

[spectralwave]

Yes with absolute certainty, one that is always doped in most sports, there is always a new case of doping emerging in Russia and another because the whole world is no longer in solidarity with Russia due to the actions of its governors.

 

[ztibor72]

Because everyone is afraid of the Russians.

Only from Russian leaders and their political perceptions.

I lived in communist Hungary, I didn't like it. And we have now a mini Putin the whole eu hates us for it. I dont like it.

 

[DS3]

Everyone saw what they wanted to see. America can do everything and bomb sovereign states and drop nuclear bombs on Japanese cities ... Everything is possible! A million people came out to protest then? Not! And why ... I'm Russian and I'm against the war! I have always been against any war.

You already outed yourself.

You can't state Russia was 'defending its interests' and then claim you are anti-war.

America dropped atomic bombs in 1945 and never since. That brought a global war to a close. That was 77 years ago and the only one now threatening a nuclear attack is your Dictator Putin.

You really need to yourself educate yourself before making silly declarations. These are anti-nuclear demonstrations as recently as 2016

https://www.google.com/search?q=ant...I1BEkQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1114&bih=562&dpr=1.5

 

[okeedokalee]

If poker was included in the exclusion, more Russians would understand you can't invade and crush a sovereign state, just because they carry enough international threats (Nukes) to do it unmolested militarily.
Taking aware their sporting and poker ability to compete will upset many Russians, just as taking away Putin's money will upset him.

 

[mavrulit]

You already outed yourself.

You can't state Russia was 'defending its interests' and then claim you are anti-war.

America dropped atomic bombs in 1945 and never since. That brought a global war to a close. That was 77 years ago and the only one now threatening a nuclear attack is your Dictator Putin.

You really need to yourself educate yourself before making silly declarations. These are anti-nuclear demonstrations as recently as 2016

https://www.google.com/search?q=ant...I1BEkQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1114&bih=562&dpr=1.5

Justifying America's actions... Perfectly illustrates you. Hypocrisy on the level.

If poker was included in the exclusion, more Russians would understand you can't invade and crush a sovereign state, just because they carry enough international threats (Nukes) to do it unmolested militarily.
Taking aware their sporting and poker ability to compete will upset many Russians, just as taking away Putin's money will upset him.

Poker, music and sports outside of politics they said!.......... Let's ban Russia from eating, sleeping, breathing! After all, they are all as one for the war! Well, what the hell are you talking about?

 

[BlindThieve420]

I have no problem with banning them. Maybe in the end it will cause the Russian people to overthrow the President and form a true democracy.

 

[SopianaeExtra]

Serious question: Have sanctions, no matter how severe, ever even succeeded in toppling the leader of a country?

 

[Joe]

And when America bombed Iran, Syria, Iraq, why were you all silent??? And as soon as the Russians began to defend their interests, everyone immediately woke up and went against us! And I'll tell you why! Because everyone is afraid of the Russians. I didn't want war! I don't want any war at all! But double standards and hypocrisy I hate most of all.

I appreciate and respect the fact that you do not want war.

That is good.

Trying to frame a brutal war, attempting to install a Putin-sympathetic puppet government because the scumbag longs to have the Soviet Union back, as 'defending' anything at all...

... Well, that is wrong, incorrect and bad.

Putin has lied about the Ukraine 'Nazi' government, it simply isn't true. Zelensky is Jewish, his grandparents fought against the previous Hitler.

If Putin was 'rescuing' and 'liberating' the Ukrainian people, then why are they willing to die in order to stop being rescued????

Usually people are rather happy, grateful and relieved to be rescued.

People being rescued aren't usually willing to kill or die to avoid or stop themselves being rescued.

This "special military operation" laugh: :laugh: :laugh is nothing other than a WAR.

A war of aggression and expansion.

Many people in the west protested the conflicts you mentioned (as they vehemently protest this one), the difference is, we have freedom of speech, free press...

I.E. When we go to the streets to protest wars, we do not get beaten, arrested, sent to labour camps or killed.

Our voices are generally heard, not silenced. Our votes count.

Seems things are a little different over there though... :dontknow:

Justifying America's actions... Perfectly illustrates you. Hypocrisy on the level.

I will try to be clear...

There is no justification for using nuclear weapons. They shouldn't have been invented, especially not by such a primitive collection of monkeys.

If there were ever any way to justify using nuclear weapons, it would be to end a world war.

WWII lasted for six years and approximately 70-85 million people died.


Do you notice any subtle differences in the circumstances..?

Putin is threatening to use Nuclear weapons during the most peaceful time in humanities' history, not to try and end the worst war* humanity has ever experienced.

*Worst war, so far...

 

[47Belarus]

Absolutely yes. In Russia and Belarus, sport is a big part of propaganda

 

[Oranaro]

Actually, the sanctions hve the opposite effect in Russia, they are already breaking the economy, but, it's stil working, why? People are killing themselves at work to make that happen. Don't think that russians will invade Kremlin just because the west was punishing them. There are more and more supporters of Putin's regime, remember how the nazi germany started? Sanctions after the first WW made them reunite under an extremist ideology. Today, I won't state how is thinking Vlad, but the majority, and the biggest majority are sane, and trying to do the things right. The problem is that more and more won't care about what happens in the west, as it has been destroying, for years, their ecenomy. These will make a big rising of nationalists and extremists. And in the future, if it will not be Putin, it will be another one. There is a very nice french film, that illustrates how dumb is the "action, reaction" answer. "Les Choristes" .

Just as it's a thread about sports sanctions, these are also playing a huge part. But I think it's better to ban from olympics the flag, than giving no chance to sportsmen/sportswomen to compete. I think it's a quite honest decision. The only thing that is insane, is that russians, that are no living anymore in Russia, artists, have their concerts cancelled.

 

[jhonsoto83]

Athletes do not wage war nor do citizens, the only ones who wage war are governments, I do not agree with the sanctions of Russian athletes

 

[Pokerpoet2]

Putin has said that these sanctions are a declaration of war, BULL***T, these sanctions are a declaration that the World is against Russian Aggression in Ukraine, The West and their allies do not want to fight the Russians, they only want a peaceful end to the bombing of civilians in Ukraine.
Twice now a ceasefire was agreed on and twice the Russians ignored it and kept bombing civilians, when will the lies from Putin stop? For years now the Russian people have enjoyed shopping and buying from the West, in businesses like Ikea, Microsoft, Harley Davidson and many many more, but now they are withdrawing from Russia not because they hate the Russians, it is because they see the lies about Ukraine and cannot be seen agreeing with Putin and his crony's mad dictatorship.
Call this conflict what you like (Special Operations) or whatever, but the truth is War is War whichever way you paint it.
When the Berlin wall collapsed in 1989, I saluted the Russian People for seeing the light and ending a stupid situation where people were separated from their families on both sides of the wall, it was wrong and I truly felt that the World was coming together and could eventually find peace and live as one race, The Human Race.
It couldn't be further from the truth, and I suppose it will never happen, but the West do not want to invade Russia, they would much rather do business with the Russians like they have been doing for years now.
Putin is the one who declared he was putting Nuclear status on High alert because he is afraid that the West will support Ukraine and start fighting the Russians, but the West has proven that they do not want a war with Russia, and Sanctions are a peaceful way to demonstrate they want this war to end. PEACEFULLY! for both sides.
The Russian people do not want war, neither does the West, but the West cannot condone the bombing of civilians who are trying to escape to the safety of the West, don't you think that if they wanted the Russians there they would be rushing to escape into Russia? not Poland, Hungary and other Western Countries. SEE SENSE!

END THIS WAR PLEASE!
for all Mankind.

 

[lyki67]

I agree with ALL SANCTIONS for Russia. And for Belarus too. They must know that THIS WAR is WRONG..!!

 

[Mauricio Perrotta]

The truth is that punishing only athletes, musicians, dancers or writers just for being Russian does not make sense. I do not see the countries dependent on imports of Gas, Coal, or other important inputs canceling their contracts in the future, why? Money my friends. There are those who benefit from this conflict and do their dirty business, then divert attention by punishing more visible and influential people in society so that those who live in the shadows can profit from this, including Putin.

 

[Akuana]

If not Russia, but America bombed Ukrainian cities, everyone would clap their hands and think that this is right and it should be so.
We saw how Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan were bombed. Has anyone imposed sanctions? No, because everything America does is right and blessed by the Lord God himself.
I am against all wars around the world, including in Ukraine.
But how unpleasant it is to see these double standards from the "civilized world".

 

[Joe]

The truth is that punishing only athletes, musicians, dancers or writers just for being Russian ...

Firstly, it's not 'only' athletes, musicians, dancers and writers who are being sanctioned.

Secondly, no one is being sanctioned 'just for being Russian'.

If people were being sanctioned "just for being Russian" then such sanctions would have been in place BEFORE Putin's invasion and war in Ukraine. :wink:

Do you see? :smile:

If not Russia, but America bombed Ukrainian cities, everyone would clap their hands and think that this is right and it should be so.
We saw how Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan were bombed. Has anyone imposed sanctions? No, because everything America does is right and blessed by the Lord God himself.
I am against all wars around the world, including in Ukraine.
But how unpleasant it is to see these double standards from the "civilized world".

Heya, you could save my eyes a little bit of reading and just post a video link to one of your state sponsored propaganda news channels controlled by Putin.

It you're just going to regurgitate the same nonsense, can we have it direct from the source instead please? :wink:

 

[cferdi]

I don't need to remind you about the on going wars and conflicts around the globe, do I? Which countries have had the same treatment as Russia? None! How many countries have committed atrocities in the past decade, still committing and committed them post WWII era?
Let me give you a short list:
USA, France, U.K, China, Serbia, Azerbaijan, Argentina, Peru, S.Korea, Australia, India, Iraq, Indonesia, Algeria, Mali, Central African Republic, Nigeria, Croatia, ect, ect.
If you look at western regimes they are not better than Russia's, for example USA is a bipartisan Diarchy, UK is a kingdom ruled by pooch, France has a resentment of non Gaelic French, etc.
The sports world needn't get involved in politics, it is hard enough that economists control it.
This precedent means that U.A.E, Saudi Arabia must be banned as well as U.S.A and France

Perhaps - but:

* Putin did it to a peaceful people for no good reason whilst lying to the international community, the Ukrainians and even his own people (and continues to do so);
* Putin punishes his own people if they even dare to try to tell the truth of what is really going on;
*Putin is killing innocent civilians including children simply because they don't want to be so called 'rescued';
* and, none of the countries you mention have threated the world with nuclear bombs

 

[Akuana]

Firstly, it's not 'only' athletes, musicians, dancers and writers who are being sanctioned.

Secondly, no one is being sanctioned 'just for being Russian'.

If people were being sanctioned "just for being Russian" then such sanctions would have been in place BEFORE Putin's invasion and war in Ukraine. :wink:

Do you see? :smile:


Heya, you could save my eyes a little bit of reading and just post a video link to one of your state sponsored propaganda news channels controlled by Putin.

It you're just going to regurgitate the same nonsense, can we have it direct from the source instead please? :wink:

I will definitely send you a link to the source of Russian propaganda by mail. I'm afraid by that time YouTube will be blocked in Russia and I will have to send a link to a written document.
But if by that time the Internet in Russia is blocked, then we will have to send the original to the address of your residence. We will do everything so that you read only from the "necessary" sources))

 

[TpaEnforcement]

I see Russia has blocked all access to social media, with this war going on. It's just sad it has to go this way at war, they should just come to an agreement to end this war. It would be nice if country's would just get along, instead of this disaster that is going on. Maybe Russia would stop this invasion if they knew that they would be stopped , from competing in international sports. It would be so nice to see everyone getting along, in the world would be so nice.

 

[Spheremaster]

Hi all, I think they should ban teams from Russia.. or at least they should attend competitions as neutral.

Have a nice day

 

[Joe]

I will definitely send you a link to the source of Russian propaganda by mail. I'm afraid by that time YouTube will be blocked in Russia and I will have to send a link to a written document.
But if by that time the Internet in Russia is blocked, then we will have to send the original to the address of your residence. We will do everything so that you read only from the "necessary" sources))

You're not at all concerned or bothered about Putin removing your access to the internet? :icon_scra

On top of everything else you're losing? :help:

Gosh, this one is seemingly so enamoured with the murderous Putin's lies that they're apparently willing to go back to the dark ages and allow everyone else in their country to be dragged back down with them...

Also, they need fresh batteries in their all-in-one sarcasm-o-matic and facetiousness detector... :dontknow:

 

[DS3]

Justifying America's actions... Perfectly illustrates you. Hypocrisy on the level.




Poker, music and sports outside of politics they said!.......... Let's ban Russia from eating, sleeping, breathing! After all, they are all as one for the war! Well, what the hell are you talking about?

Did the US use of atomic bombs end the war in the Pacific or not? A simple question and nothing to do with hypocrisy which you do not seem to grasp.

I notice you have nothing to say after your ridiculous claims about no one protesting war or nuclear weapons was proven to be total nonsense.

You really should avoid getting into back and forths if you cannot back your declarations and pronouncements without facts.

If not Russia, but America bombed Ukrainian cities, everyone would clap their hands and think that this is right and it should be so.
We saw how Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan were bombed. Has anyone imposed sanctions? No, because everything America does is right and blessed by the Lord God himself.
I am against all wars around the world, including in Ukraine.
But how unpleasant it is to see these double standards from the "civilized world".

Why don't you folks develop some good habits and actually bother reading posts and click on links.

I have already linked to pages and pages of protests in the West against both war and nuclear arms. No one claps the US for bombing anywhere - your view is distorted and shows that several of you are clueless to real world events.

People here are providing you historic information and you choose to ignore it. You blinker yourselves.

 

[Akuana]

Did the US use of atomic bombs end the war in the Pacific or not? A simple question and nothing to do with hypocrisy which you do not seem to grasp.

I notice you have nothing to say after your ridiculous claims about no one protesting war or nuclear weapons was proven to be total nonsense.

You really should avoid getting into back and forths if you cannot back your declarations and pronouncements without facts.



Why don't you folks develop some good habits and actually bother reading posts and click on links.

I have already linked to pages and pages of protests in the West against both war and nuclear arms. No one claps the US for bombing anywhere - your view is distorted and shows that several of you are clueless to real world events.

People here are providing you historic information and you choose to ignore it. You blinker yourselves.

You're right. I really don't understand much about world politics and how things really are. Here I express my opinion and my vision of the situation. People who discuss different topics here are not experts in these topics. And that's okay.
I believe that we are discussing this topic in order to hear each other, and not to block everyone whose opinion is slightly different from what the official television broadcasts.
If you think that I am not worthy of discussing this issue because I have not seen the links you are talking about, so be it. Let's not continue this conversation.

But I'll say it again. I am against this war in Ukraine. Unlike many, I have relatives in Ukraine with whom I have good relations and we continue to communicate. You just see only one point of view. In fact, everything is not unambiguous there, and the roots of this problem are very deep.

You say: "No to war!" - and I agree with that. You say "No to lethal nuclear weapons!" - and I agree with that too.