Official PokerTracker Support Thread

dmorris68

dmorris68

Legend
Loyaler
Joined
May 27, 2008
Total posts
6,788
Awards
2
Chips
0
Supporting Lock is not on our agenda, new poker clients require a lot of work to add support, the poker room must contact us to request support & enter an agreement to cover our development costs which Lock has never done. We suggest you contact Lock if this is something you wish to see happen.

Very interesting. Had no idea your business model was setup this way. Being in the software development field myself, I would have assumed the traditional model of customer demand driving development though end-user sales. Now it sounds like sites are your customers as well. This probably also explains some things that have left me scratching my head about PT development in the past.

I sure wouldn't have expected that the sites themselves approach you first and pay you to be supported by your tracker/HUD -- I would have thought them more of just a tolerant partner as long as you abide by their TOS. Was this a change in strategy from earlier versions of PT? I knew that you and your major competitor collaborated with the sites and made an effort to keep them happy as far as their TOS and such go, but I didn't realize it went so far that they initiated and funded the support for their rooms.
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
Very interesting. Had no idea your business model was setup this way. Being in the software development field myself, I would have assumed the traditional model of customer demand driving development though end-user sales. Now it sounds like sites are your customers as well. This probably also explains some things that have left me scratching my head about PT development in the past.

I sure wouldn't have expected that the sites themselves approach you first and pay you to be supported by your tracker/HUD -- I would have thought them more of just a tolerant partner as long as you abide by their TOS. Was this a change in strategy from earlier versions of PT? I knew that you and your major competitor collaborated with the sites and made an effort to keep them happy as far as their TOS and such go, but I didn't realize it went so far that they initiated and funded the support for their rooms.

The best way to describe it is that our customer is the player, but our partner is the poker room. There was a time, many years ago (PT is now 12 years old) when the developers could be viewed as working in a quasi-grey area back in the days of PT2. When PokerTracker 3 launched, we confirmed that we were in full compliance with the Terms of Service for every room we supported, then went to work creating relationships with each network to the best of our ability - our relationships is one of the reasons why often you see new network support quicker with PT, we are often given a heads up before major changes and more and more frequently as our relationships become more trusted the network might approach us to help them develop a new feature prior to launch. The bigger networks get PT support at no change because they are what the majority of our customers want, but the new networks must offset the cost of our out of pocket development expenses because without this offset it would not pay to add these smaller networks. We are a business after all with a huge overhead of staff payroll that must be addressed. With that said, in theory we do not make a profit when we bill the network for development, we only attempt to break even. We speak with virtually everyone in the business in some form, even bodog was a close friend at one time. We agreed to leave the Bodog network almost 1 year before the anonymous tables were launched on the day the network was scheduled to switch over; we knew that this was on the horizon and why they wanted to change business plans and we had no objections at the time - we only work with poker rooms that want our customers (and to be honest, it would be bad business to not want PokerTracker users, there are far too many PT users to ignore!).

If there is one thing to take away from this post is that PokerTracker has a LOT of users. Our biggest competitor also has quite a few users. Our combined user base is pretty huge... so huge that tracking + HUD users could make the network a success because they are more likely to be active and engaged rake generators who multitable - and multitabling is critical to the player liquidity of a network. In turn removing players who use tracking tools and HUDs could easily kill a network... of course we have lots of confidential facts & figures to back this all up, but we only share that data with the networks I'm afraid.

- TT
 
tony4680

tony4680

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 23, 2013
Total posts
263
Chips
0
I just figured it would just be a matter of dealing with how their hand histories are configured and modifying existing code. That's a shame but I'm sure they will hop on board... it has only been a week. So did you guys have any advanced notice that they were leaving revolution/of the rift between the two?
 
pocketehs

pocketehs

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 10, 2012
Total posts
1,255
Chips
0
Is there a way to add text to every notetracker? so that if i have a note structure i dont have to copy and paste it into the players note everytime i want to make a note?
 
BluffMeAllIn

BluffMeAllIn

4evrInmyheart RIP xoxo :(
Silver Level
Joined
May 2, 2009
Total posts
11,324
Chips
0
The best way to describe it is that our customer is the player, but our partner is the poker room. There was a time, many years ago (PT is now 12 years old) when the developers could be viewed as working in a quasi-grey area back in the days of PT2. When PokerTracker 3 launched, we confirmed that we were in full compliance with the Terms of Service for every room we supported, then went to work creating relationships with each network to the best of our ability - our relationships is one of the reasons why often you see new network support quicker with PT, we are often given a heads up before major changes and more and more frequently as our relationships become more trusted the network might approach us to help them develop a new feature prior to launch. The bigger networks get PT support at no change because they are what the majority of our customers want, but the new networks must offset the cost of our out of pocket development expenses because without this offset it would not pay to add these smaller networks. We are a business after all with a huge overhead of staff payroll that must be addressed. With that said, in theory we do not make a profit when we bill the network for development, we only attempt to break even. We speak with virtually everyone in the business in some form, even Bodog was a close friend at one time. We agreed to leave the Bodog network almost 1 year before the anonymous tables were launched on the day the network was scheduled to switch over; we knew that this was on the horizon and why they wanted to change business plans and we had no objections at the time - we only work with poker rooms that want our customers (and to be honest, it would be bad business to not want PokerTracker users, there are far too many PT users to ignore!).

If there is one thing to take away from this post is that PokerTracker has a LOT of users. Our biggest competitor also has quite a few users. Our combined user base is pretty huge... so huge that tracking + HUD users could make the network a success because they are more likely to be active and engaged rake generators who multitable - and multitabling is critical to the player liquidity of a network. In turn removing players who use tracking tools and HUDs could easily kill a network... of course we have lots of confidential facts & figures to back this all up, but we only share that data with the networks I'm afraid.

- TT
Very interesting, and insightful. Much appreciated, glad dmo posed the question to get such details.

Thanks
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
PokerTracker 4.10.6 NOW AVAILABLE!


Release Notes - November 26, 2013

Key Updates Summary:

  • NEW: PokerStars Heads Up ZOOM support is now available!
  • NEW: Bounties are now compensated for when using the ICM Calculator or reviewing ICM situations in the Hand History Replayer!*
  • NEW: Custom Report and Custom Stat Premium Add-On support is now available!
Added:
  • ICM: Bounties are now supported in the user interfaces of the ICM Calculator and the Replayer*
  • Import: Support for Australian Eastern Time Zone (AEDT)
  • HUD: 888poker: Change the HUD attachment procedure at 888 tournaments to stop the need to reattach the HUD at the start of each blind change
  • HUD: PokerStars: Support for ZOOM Heads Up tables is now available
  • Premium Addons: Premium stat support is now available
  • Premium Addons: Premium report support is now available
Changed
  • Import: PokerStars: Zoom tournaments now default to no-limit
  • Import: Manual Import: Improved the status reporting in the View Import Status window, including the number of summaries, fixed “hand/s”, and "was/were" output error notation
  • HUD: PokerStars: Changed preferred seating options to match the latest PokerStars client change which unified the formerly separate options for Tournament and Cash auto-centering
  • HUD: When a group is using lower opacity the opacity of the note border color is now also lowered
  • Mac OSX: Allow displays to enter sleep mode while importing
  • Site: Barriere: Barriere Poker’s live import and site configuration has been removed due to the closure of the network
Fixed
  • Import: 888Poker: Allow Jackpot hands to be flagged when all-in
  • Import: 888Poker: Allow 888 tournament summaries to be re-imported after all hands have ben imported, if the summary was imported before the hands existed
  • Import: MPN: Adjust for hand history format changes that made tournaments import using the incorrect currency
  • Import: MPN: Change to stop using currency from hand limits in tournaments
  • Import: Party: Support for new “SATELLITES” prize syntax found in hand histories
  • Import: PokerStars: Address detection of players names at Zoom tables that have a very rare combination of rank/badge which may interfere with name detection
  • Import: PokerStars: Include support for EURO STEPS prizes
  • Import: Address situations where CAP games may affect the recognition of the game limit.
  • Import: Stats: Fix the population during import of ‘cash_hand_player_combinations.val_f_hole_cards_used’,
    ‘cash_hand_player_combinations.val_t_hole_cards_used’, and
    ‘cash_hand_player_combinations.val_r_hole_cards_used’ when pair + board kicker is used**
  • Import: Stats: Additional improvements for the calculation during import of hole cards used and kicker strength**
  • Import: Stats: Fix to not count a raise opportunity when facing a capped bet***
  • Import: GUI: Address various lock up or freezing issues that could occur if the auto-importer or other windows veto'd the main window close
  • HUD: 888poker: Fix a crash that could occur when shutting down auto-import if 888’s Snap poker disabled
  • HUD: FullTilt: Include support for Rush tables Sonic Boom (6 max) and Electro (6 max)
  • HUD: iPoker: Fix issues where the HUD might incorrectly be attached to a similar table name
  • HUD: PokerStars: Allow auto-centering at 10-max tables
  • HUD: PokerStars: Address various Zoom fixes for PokerStars 7 alpha users
  • HUD: PokerStars: Regular tournament tables may be misdetected as Zoom tables due to new PokerStars client changes
  • HUD: Improve “Stop Hud” to require less CPU and database resources
  • HUD: Fixed alias name query to work with all player names that contain unicode characters
  • Community: Fixes for random crashes that may occur that are related to the Chromium embedded browser
  • Database Export: Cancel button functionality, Add ability to cancel during tournament summary exports
  • Mac OSX: GUI: Resolved GUI issues where using the keyboard arrow keys would not always highlight the selected report line
  • Mac OSX: Mavericks: Resolved an issue with multiple display support that caused the note window to appear behind the table
  • ICM: Fix a bounty Tournament calculation error that could result in unpaid bounty distribution
  • Replayer: Fix the ‘amt_bb’ to display correctly in hands where the player in the BB is all-in for less than the big blind in tournaments by using the known Big Blind amount rather than the posted BB amount
  • Reports: Allow multi-highlighting in the Calendar & Overview/Date tournament reports
  • Push Downloads: Address the potential for lockups if a pushed download fails
  • Video Export: Default YouTube title is now added, and an error will be displayed if title is blank

Additional Notes:
* Bounty support already exists for ICM calculation of Net Adjusted Winnings, this addition allows the same level of support to become visible in the Replayer and the ICM Calculator in PokerTracker 4.
** The fix for kicker strength flags included in this release will only take effect during import, if you wish to use filters that incorporate kickers on your previously imported database, then we suggest re-importing your hands in a new database to assure accurate filter results for kickers.
*** The fix for the methods used to count raise opportunities when facing a capped bet that is included in this release will only take effect during import. If you wish to use filters that will be affected by this change, then we suggest re-importing your hands in a new database to assure accurate filter results for this rare situation.
 
okeedokalee

okeedokalee

Glory To Ukraine
Loyaler
Joined
Feb 3, 2008
Total posts
5,706
Awards
22
NZ
Chips
853
I appear to have stopped my hands loading when I clicked on the "strange hand" tag option.
Is there a solution that allows me to load my hands once more, please.

P.S.Clicking get hands why playing does not load hands and the replayer.
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
I appear to have stopped my hands loading when I clicked on the "strange hand" tag option.
Is there a solution that allows me to load my hands once more, please.

P.S.Clicking get hands why playing does not load hands and the replayer.

Your description is not clear to us, it could be one of many possible user error situations that are quite common, but your description does not tell us enough to know for sure. Please reproduce your issue, and then send us a copy of your pokertracker4.log file by attaching it to a support ticket; this file will help us understand what is happening when your problem takes place, and we will be able to guide you to fix it. Alternatively you can post a screen capture of the interface in this thread.
 
okeedokalee

okeedokalee

Glory To Ukraine
Loyaler
Joined
Feb 3, 2008
Total posts
5,706
Awards
22
NZ
Chips
853
Tried to delete PT4, with the intention of re-loading.Unfortunately PT4 cannot be deleted through add/remove.It also won't close programme, get hands while playing as it doesn't highlight.Can PT4 be remove remotely by help desk from my computer so I can then reload it?
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
Tried to delete PT4, with the intention of re-loading.Unfortunately PT4 cannot be deleted through add/remove.It also won't close programme, get hands while playing as it doesn't highlight.Can PT4 be remove remotely by help desk from my computer so I can then reload it?

PokerTracker 4 is not designed to be uninstalled and then reinstalled, instead new releases should be installed on top of the old releases - the installer will correctly update the older components and fix any commonly known issues if components are missing. We suggest you download the latest version of PokerTracker 4, and then install it on top of your current version - after restarting your computer.


PS: PokerTracker 4 can in fact be removed from the Windows Add/Remove control panel, provided that the application is not in use. It sounds as if the application remained open accidentally,this can be solved by restarting your computer.
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
CYBER MONDAY: 20% OFF NEW POKERTRACKER 4 PURCHASES!!!
You have only 24 hours to take advantage of this special discount, please tell your friends! PokerTracker 4 is the holiday gift that helps players grow and advance their poker skills - When you give a friend PT4 you are giving the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.pokertracker.com/products/PT4/purchase.php
 
ILIKEFISH31

ILIKEFISH31

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 23, 2013
Total posts
159
Chips
0
CYBER MONDAY: 20% OFF NEW POKERTRACKER 4 PURCHASES!!!
You have only 24 hours to take advantage of this special discount, please tell your friends! PokerTracker 4 is the holiday gift that helps players grow and advance their poker skills - When you give a friend PT4 you are giving the gift that keeps on giving.

https://www.pokertracker.com/products/PT4/purchase.php

I actually took advantage of this and purchased PT4 the other day. Both HM2 and PT4 impressed me beyond belief during my trial time with them but in the end I just felt most comfortable with PT4. The Cyber Monday special didn't hurt.
 
B

bernotas22

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 27, 2013
Total posts
1,520
Chips
0
the hud doesn't work properly for me on pokerstars and other sites with the location of players, it will show inaccurate seating of players, how do i fix this problem? thanks

WAKAWAKA
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
the hud doesn't work properly for me on pokerstars and other sites with the location of players, it will show inaccurate seating of players, how do i fix this problem? thanks

View attachment 55056

Your prefered positioning settings will need to be updated, because PokerStars changed the method they previously used. Be sure to update the positioning in both PokerTracker AND PokerStars. https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/PT4/site-configuration/pokerstars-configuration-guide
 
B

bernotas22

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 27, 2013
Total posts
1,520
Chips
0
Your prefered positioning settings will need to be updated, because PokerStars changed the method they previously used. Be sure to update the positioning in both PokerTracker AND PokerStars. https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/PT4/site-configuration/pokerstars-configuration-guide

what if i am playing different tourneys and some are 6 max others are 10 players??? and what if im just playing tourneys while i play heads up??? this system does not make sense
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
what if i am playing different tourneys and some are 6 max others are 10 players??? and what if im just playing tourneys while i play heads up??? this system does not make sense

We support every type of preferred positioning provided by PokerStars, from auto-centering to each max table size. In the PokerStars client you chose where you want to sit, then you match this information in PokerTracker. It does not matter if you are playing tournaments and heads up cash games at the same time, the system is designed to address every situation you come across. If the system doesn't make sense perhaps it would be best to share your opinion with PokerStars - we are only mimicking the preferred seating options they provide.
 
pocketehs

pocketehs

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 10, 2012
Total posts
1,255
Chips
0
Hey PT

I just wanted to offer a suggestion. Ive found that when playing multiple Zoom or fast tables its hard to open the HH selector and tag my hands that I want to review. Im not sure if its possible but it would be sweet it there was just like one button to click on, right from the table so that I can tag hands to review.

Is this possible at all?

If I havent explained myself clear enough let me know and I'll try again :)

thanks!
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
Hey PT

I just wanted to offer a suggestion. Ive found that when playing multiple Zoom or fast tables its hard to open the HH selector and tag my hands that I want to review. Im not sure if its possible but it would be sweet it there was just like one button to click on, right from the table so that I can tag hands to review.

Is this possible at all?

If I havent explained myself clear enough let me know and I'll try again :)

thanks!


This already exists, but it requires a few clicks, not one. Click the FLAG icon located on the left of the PT4 HUD menu, the last five hands are here, and you can drill into the menu to Tag these hands.
 
pocketehs

pocketehs

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 10, 2012
Total posts
1,255
Chips
0
Yeah its just whenever I get into the menu and a table popups up i have to go back into the menu again and scroll to find the hand to mark. Its just hard to mark a lot of hands when you're playing a lot of tables. Would be cool to have like a button that is like "mark last hand" or something right from the table

Just a suggestion though :)
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
Public Service Announcement :

We are hosting a webinar this evening with our friends at PokerXFactor titled Tracking Software & HUDs - Dispelling the Myths presented by PokerTracker.

There are only a few seats left, sign up now for this free webinar before its too late. PokerTracker's Steven McLoughlin will provide an overview of:

  • how tracking software works
  • what the stats really mean
  • what stats you should be looking at that you may not have known about
  • how post-game research can have the biggest positive impact on your poker game.
Steven will also discuss on behalf of the PokerTracker developers other topics such as:

  • the myths about tracking software
  • explain why his company created the first commercially available HUD
  • dispelling the mistruths about the use of a HUD when playing online poker.

The topic covers tracking software and HUDs in general, it is not specific to PokerTracker - the users of other tracking tools are welcome to join, as are those of you. The topics are aimed at existing users as well as those who fear tracking and HUDs - the goal is to share the truth and dispel the myths that are commonly shared by players whose intentions are good - but they are misinformed.

Please join us!

https://www.pokerxfactor.com/servlet/pxf?a=v&t=pokertracker-webinar

- TT
 
pocketehs

pocketehs

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 10, 2012
Total posts
1,255
Chips
0
Hey TT,

I joined that session for a bit but then had to leave so I missed the last 30 mins. Whoever was running it said that they were going to make it downloadable. I was wondering if you could tell me when I could find the recorded version of the session?
 
Matt Vaughan

Matt Vaughan

King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 20, 2008
Total posts
7,150
Awards
5
Chips
6
Would have been cool to get more than a few hours warning on that webinar - I didn't happen to log in in that time. Oh well.
 
PokerTracker

PokerTracker

Official PT4 Representative
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 8, 2011
Total posts
725
Awards
1
Chips
102
Hey TT,

I joined that session for a bit but then had to leave so I missed the last 30 mins. Whoever was running it said that they were going to make it downloadable. I was wondering if you could tell me when I could find the recorded version of the session?

Would have been cool to get more than a few hours warning on that webinar - I didn't happen to log in in that time. Oh well.


The Webinar was recorded for posterity, you can view the webinar here - http://www.pokerxfactor.com/servlet/pxf?a=v&t=pxf-classroom

Search for PokerTracker on this page.You will have to register for the webinar first, but registration is free.
 
Matt Vaughan

Matt Vaughan

King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 20, 2008
Total posts
7,150
Awards
5
Chips
6
Awesome, thank you.
 
W

Weissr

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
May 26, 2012
Total posts
833
Chips
0
Will PT4 ever have the ability to HOVER over an individual hud stat and bring up the table for that street? (ie. hover over cbet flop stat and all the flop stats show up). Having to click the hud, then click the the Flop tab, then click again to close the table is just too much effort.
 
Poker Tracker 4 Review - Poker Tracker Guide
Top