ACR Thread

[JoeShowdown]

I don't know dj. I logged in it to blast through my last 30 bucks on blackchip and saw they weren't playing. I was hoping to get an email announcing when the last day to win one was or like an important notice - 10k main event being given away in next 2 hours to 3 lucky players. What if they kept like 30k to themselves?

Guess I'll have to do the live sattys here in vegas

 

[Senneville]

I all . Just searching all over the place and dont found it. Lookink for the ranking of the Acr members. Any idea?

 

[dj11]

What are you confused about? They offered long odds on hitting it big and took your (everyone's) money. It's pretty simple, really.

If you understand how these Jackpots work then nothing about their sudden removal makes sense.

Jackpots, and I guess spin n goes work by putting 1/3 of the entry money aside for bigger prizes. Winner is only getting 2x his buy in, and the odds are 3-1 against.

OK, I understood that from the git go. I also watched all the different buy-in Jackpots, and noticed that the $10 buy-in had an abnormally higher rate of bigger prizes.

No where did it say that one jackpot's prize pool money was combined with all Jackpots prize pool money. So nowhere did it say that the Jackpot pool generated by the $3 games would be combined with the jackpot pool from the $10 games, or the $2 games.

Yet that seems to be the only reasonable explanation that fits my observations.

I like WPN, but this seems shady to me.

 

[blobman]

You do realize the wsop main event starts in 4 days. That is, not much time for a satellite winner to get to Las Vegas to play in the Main.

The way the jackpot games work is some portion of the buyin is taken for rake and the rest goes into the jackpot prize pool. That prize pool is divied up according to the jackpot multiplier probabilities. It may happen, simply due to random chance, that not all of the prize pool ever gets awarded, or it may happen that way more than what's actually in the prizepool gets awarded. In the long run, the law of large numbers says it'll even out. But the sites offering these games take a risk here of getting unlucky themselves and getting hit with a big multiplier early on in the promotion. Take for example pokerstars, who had to pay out multiple million dollar multipliers in the first few days of their million dollar spin and gos.

So really in this case it's the opposite in that WPN got lucky with the random payouts, but as far as I can tell, they're simply operating the game in line with how it's meant to be operated, and nothing shady at all is going on.

 

[dj11]

You do realize the WSOP main event starts in 4 days. That is, not much time for a satellite winner to get to Las Vegas to play in the Main.

Actually, I mentioned that many days ago. And made decisions based largely on the notion that the jackpots would follow that mythical 'law of large numbers' figuring my chance to win the big prize were at least marginally increased.

But really, I thought those $3 jackpot games should have ended about 2 weeks ago. The whole withdrawal process, and making travel arrangements would have been a nightmare to get finalized that quickly.

My bigger concern is that the accumulated Jackpot prize pool seems to be combined amongst all buy-in levels. IMHO, those accumulated pools should be isolated for each different buy-in amount.

As it works out very early on there was a 3 person big package win (The WSOP package) I am not sure I noticed a second group, but might have. I do not remember any big packages since the middle of May. I never saw anything bigger than the $9 names (meaning they were at a $27 spin), other than those few big packages.

Even the $2 games show a lot of mid (between the standard $4 and max values) payouts.

I like the format, don't get me wrong, but some drastic revamping of how they work needs to be disseminated to us, the players.

 

[Nutcracker69]

Actually, I mentioned that many days ago. And made decisions based largely on the notion that the jackpots would follow that mythical 'law of large numbers' figuring my chance to win the big prize were at least marginally increased.

But really, I thought those $3 jackpot games should have ended about 2 weeks ago. The whole withdrawal process, and making travel arrangements would have been a nightmare to get finalized that quickly.

My bigger concern is that the accumulated Jackpot prize pool seems to be combined amongst all buy-in levels. IMHO, those accumulated pools should be isolated for each different buy-in amount.

As it works out very early on there was a 3 person big package win (The WSOP package) I am not sure I noticed a second group, but might have. I do not remember any big packages since the middle of May. I never saw anything bigger than the $9 names (meaning they were at a $27 spin), other than those few big packages.

Even the $2 games show a lot of mid (between the standard $4 and max values) payouts.

I like the format, don't get me wrong, but some drastic revamping of how they work needs to be disseminated to us, the players.

Seriously, read the Ts and Cs before you publicly bash them for their procedures on a public board where they have an active representative.

I'm usually the first to talk about things I don't like about them, but in this case, you are way off.

1) All income earned goes to the same place. There is no "special pot" accumulating for any one potential payout, including the WSOP Package. It says so right on their site and again in the explanation of the "opportunity."

2) You said you saw a package win. First of all, with all of the top prizes in Jackpot Poker, only the first place finisher gets the big payout. Yes, all 3 do get money (which is sort of strange, but nice at the same time) but all 3 DO NOT win a package. I'm actually surprised that anyone won a package. Because people are (a) gullible and (b) seduced delusionally I'm not surprised that this "opportunity" got decent play. But I saw the history of payouts and decided I would use my money elsewhere.

Trust me, if you have ME of all people actually coming to their defense, you KNOW that your position is way off base.

 

[ACR Rep]

Is there any ACR app for iPhone?

Not yet

 

[ACR Rep]

The Jackpots were removed because the promo was over as the WSOP main event starts in less than a week, therefore the promo expired, secondly the prize pool of the jackpots were not going to any special pot that acummulated and then to have been released. Each game had the same chance to win the prize package

 

[dj11]

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/world-series-jackpots-takes-you-wsop-286047/

Shows 9 winners early on in those WSOP Jackpots. Posts of 3 winning tables were made by the REP, on one March 30 then again, 2 days apart on April 4, and April 6. They are consecutive posts, which would explain to me why I didn't remember for sure that there was a 2nd winning table.

All three players at each of those 3 tables won $12.5K. Since I wasn't one of them I can't surmise anything other than they won what is commonly perceived as enough to get to Vegas and play the Main Event. It may be that WPN had actual packages to deliver.

I was not bashing them.

 

[Nutcracker69]

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/world-series-jackpots-takes-you-wsop-286047/

Shows 9 winners early on in those WSOP Jackpots. Posts of 3 winning tables were made by the REP, on one March 30 then again, 2 days apart on April 4, and April 6. They are consecutive posts, which would explain to me why I didn't remember for sure that there was a 2nd winning table.

All three players at each of those 3 tables won $12.5K. Since I wasn't one of them I can't surmise anything other than they won what is commonly perceived as enough to get to Vegas and play the Main Event. It may be that WPN had actual packages to deliver.

I was not bashing them.

That's f*ing weird. No other jackpot pays the top prize to all 3 players at the table. Did they even play at all or just sit down and get the package?

 

[Snakester420]

ACR

This is currently my favorite site, but the players are not as fishy as I would like... but maybe I am just extra fishy.

 

[Nutcracker69]

This is currently my favorite site, but the players are not as fishy as I would like... but maybe I am just extra fishy.

I checked out your profile so I could rail you while waiting for my tournament to start, but you haven't included your sn's.

I can count on both hands (barely more than just one) the number of players who actually really like the site because they do REALLY well. Nothing compared to "the good old days" before Black Friday where Blum and Dwan could be sitting with 7 figure stacks at the table BEFORE they were associated with the site. But considering that much of the time the highest game going is 5/10, the top regs have a very good ROI.

Plus, they seem to get paid off big when they hit their hands, they get max value from their bet sizing when they need to, they can call down bluffs with marginal holdings and can induce bluffs when first to act. You know, like all good professionals. I only know them from the App though both playing them and railing them. A few, like VegetablesAren'tYummy have been willing to converse a little while playing. But I have yet to be told by any if they consider themselves to be pros.

Also, for the record, little on that site is as much fun as STACKING those guys who are constantly on top of the leaderboard. Rarely, if ever, do they make the same mistake twice against me, though. So after more than doubling up, I now have another vice grip ready and put them all in expecting a 50% gain. No dice.

Occassionally, even at the "big game" you will get the pure maniac who is tossing their chips in every direction. This is just a matter of luck and variance to stack them more than once. Because if they opt for the strategy of aipf 10x in a row ATC, at least one of the 10 times they will actually have KK or AA in their hand and your feeling of "well, ace high is likely ahead here" just went out the window. lol

 

[jacknstax]

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This is currently my favorite site, but the players are not as fishy as I would like... but maybe I am just extra fishy.

Yes they are not super fishy there but there are always fish

 

[jacknstax]

LOL

1 out of 10,000. Shows improvement, I suppose, right?





Interesting. Didn't know that.

ACR Rep, you guys need to let the $10 freerolls use the "ATM" feature in the game rather than the information tab. The ATM feature on tournaments is probably the best part of your site.

 

[Nutcracker69]

Yes they are not super fishy there but there are always fish

It's not like the 70s when Doyle went to Vegas.

It ain't even like 2001-20BLACKFRIDAY when online had problems but was generally awesome.

You have to have a lot of bullets in that gun, because shooting THESE fish in THIS barrel means they will often enough hit any % from 40-50 all the way down to the 2% or less.

 

[jacknstax]

It will really work if your provide me with some information to check your account in order to see if we can manually add the BitCoin withdraw option

WTF is this dude talking about MOD? I play on WPN all the skins and I have not heard anything about min 2 coin deposit.

Please clarify and talk on this a bit more for me if u would ty

 

[jacknstax]

Good stuff. I really like the pvt code idea. I could have my own table and only allow whoever I allowed on my ****ing table lol

anyyea thx

Hey ACR Rep,

I've been playing on the Site a little over a month now. I have a suggestion when it comes to cash games. I'm slowly building my bank roll and trying to grind my way out of the micros. I've had a few times where it's impossible to find a 10nl table without two or more people deep on the waiting list. I know on stars back in the day, after contacting them, I had the ability to make my own tables and make them public or private with a password. I was wondering if there was anyway we could do this on ACR. Being able to open your own table when the other tables are packed would do nothing but generate some more rake for ACR. If that's not possible right now, please consider this option for the future. Also, is there anyway you can make more 10nl and 25nl tables available?

 

[JKKeys45]

That's f*ing weird. No other jackpot pays the top prize to all 3 players at the table. Did they even play at all or just sit down and get the package?

They probably did play, but everyone just shoved first hand.

 

[Nutcracker69]

They probably did play, but everyone just shoved first hand.

I still contend that it is weird. Granted, if it happened to me I wouldn't complain by any means. But the jackpots I played were anything BUT the $3 one because I saw nothing but 6, 9 and 12 up on the board.

 

[blobman]

That's f*ing weird. No other jackpot pays the top prize to all 3 players at the table. Did they even play at all or just sit down and get the package?

Part of the special World Series of Jackpots promotion was that all 3 win the prize on the higher spins including the $12.5k Main Event package. The money gets paid out to your account as $12.5k cash, and there is no requirement that you actually go play the Main Event. I would be surprised if anyone who wins the cash actually plays the Main.

 

[blobman]

Actually, I mentioned that many days ago. And made decisions based largely on the notion that the jackpots would follow that mythical 'law of large numbers' figuring my chance to win the big prize were at least marginally increased.

This is classic gamblers fallacy. Each spin is its own unique event, just like each spin of a roulette wheel or each roll of the dice in craps. Previous events do not affect future events when each event is an independent event. There could be five winners in one day or there could be no winners for a month.

Having a good spin one game does not mean there are fewer good spins available nor does the lack of good spins mean it's overdue for a good spin. Again, I must emphasize that each spin is its own independent event.

The law of large numbers says that in the long term, actual occurrences will mirror their theoretical probabilities, or, in other words, that things will even out. It does not mean, however, that past events will start influencing future events.

 

[gangosear]

Neteller withrawall

Has anyone tried to withdraw through neteller in ACR? support tells me I need to wait 30 days to get it, and they say its due to nettellers problems seems shady to me, any experiences?

 

[Nutcracker69]

This is classic gamblers fallacy. Each spin is its own unique event, just like each spin of a roulette wheel or each roll of the dice in craps. Previous events do not affect future events when each event is an independent event. There could be five winners in one day or there could be no winners for a month.

Having a good spin one game does not mean there are fewer good spins available nor does the lack of good spins mean it's overdue for a good spin. Again, I must emphasize that each spin is its own independent event.

The law of large numbers says that in the long term, actual occurrences will mirror their theoretical probabilities, or, in other words, that things will even out. It does not mean, however, that past events will start influencing future events.

lol I appreciate when others do my work for me and lay it out so well.

"but 20 hit the last two times it HAS to hit again!"

You are forgetting the golden rule of flips, though. If a coin is flipped, and it is Heads, the probability that the VERY NEXT flip will be tails is now EXACTLY 50%.

 

[cazual88]

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-rooms-10/withdrawal-acr-296801/#post3117773

 

[or3o1990]

I'm having a hard time verifying my account so that I can cash out. I sent in my driver's license and debit card pics. I haven't received any response and I was sitting on hold for nearly 20 minutes waiting for a customer service rep until I was suddenly disconnected...