Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
But in theory if you have 4bb/100 on Zoom would have a bigger WR on normals then b/e stretches should be lower (or if have 4bb/100 on normals you probably get lower WR on zoom because is harder).Most the regs that have shite winrates at FR are playing like 12/10 and thats why they have more variance too. Id argue that good regs in both formats have equally long b/e stretches though, if ure a 4bb winner at normals and zoom then you should have exactly the same amount of 100k b/e stretches etc. Also part of the reason it looks like everyone is having shite winrates is cause there are way more guys that are content with breaking even for fpp's, like the mass of 12/10's at FR zoom who are never really gonna stand a chance of crushing the games. Defo can be worth playing zoom though, even if you're a 4bb/100 winner and have huge b/e stretches, you still have a nice hourly getting 1k hands per hour and good rb so i guess all that matters at the end of the day is $ per hour. Actually if you look at normal tables or zoom or just poker in general, most of the field does have shite winrates, think thats always going to hold true
But what if mix both?? You could have more volume than playing only normals and maybe also higher WR than playing only zoom (if your WR on normals is higher).
I´m trying this btw that´s why the question.
acky100
Legend
Silver Level
Heh, basically...
zoom and normals are beatable
b/e stretches will happen at them both
zoom win rates are probably smaller across the board as it's generally a bit tougher
the best regulars will have win rates comparable to the best at normals
all that matters is $ per hour, whether that is through only playing zoom, only playing normals, or a mix of both.
zoom and normals are beatable
b/e stretches will happen at them both
zoom win rates are probably smaller across the board as it's generally a bit tougher
the best regulars will have win rates comparable to the best at normals
all that matters is $ per hour, whether that is through only playing zoom, only playing normals, or a mix of both.
vinnie
Legend
Bronze Level
This one was from a while ago. But, it stands out in my mind as a WTF-level of shame. My bet-sizing is especially bad. It would be untrue to claim that I wasn't thinking during this hand, or didn't have some thought process going on, but I have no idea what I expected to fold on that river.
$0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: $24.25
Hero (SB): $24.00
BB: $40.21
UTG: $33.22
CO: $49.24
Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:heart: K:spade:
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.00
Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 5:diamond: J:heart: 9:diamond:
Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00
Turn: ($7.50, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero bets $7.50, BB calls $7.50
River: ($22.50, 2 players) 3:diamond:
Hero bets $12.75 and is all-in, BB calls $12.75
$0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: $24.25
Hero (SB): $24.00
BB: $40.21
UTG: $33.22
CO: $49.24
Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:heart: K:spade:
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.00
Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 5:diamond: J:heart: 9:diamond:
Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00
Turn: ($7.50, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero bets $7.50, BB calls $7.50
River: ($22.50, 2 players) 3:diamond:
Hero bets $12.75 and is all-in, BB calls $12.75
Hero shows 8:heart: K:spade: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 67%, Flop 16%, Turn 0%)
BB shows 8:club: J:club: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 33%, Flop 84%, Turn 100%)
BB wins $46.00
BB shows 8:club: J:club: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 33%, Flop 84%, Turn 100%)
BB wins $46.00
Ducky7
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I felt like i played this hand specifically so i could post it in this thread ha, thats the only explanation
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: $67.09 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 75.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 4)
MP: $50.00 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 14)
CO: $52.00 (VPIP: 19.53, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 388)
BTN: $38.00 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 17.72, PFR: 14.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.63, Hands: 259)
Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:diamond: K:diamond:
UTG raises to $1.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, fold
Flop: ($5.00, 3 players) 6:heart: K:heart: Q:heart:
Hero bets $4.00, UTG raises to $13.00, fold, Hero calls $9.00
Turn: ($31.00, 2 players) 7:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets $21.00, Hero raises to $35.50 and is all-in, UTG calls $14.50
River: ($102.00, 2 players) 4:spade:
Hero shows Q:diamond: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Queens) (Pre 14%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows K:club: K:spade: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 86%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins $99.50
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: $67.09 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 75.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 4)
MP: $50.00 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 14)
CO: $52.00 (VPIP: 19.53, PFR: 17.15, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 388)
BTN: $38.00 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 17.72, PFR: 14.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.63, Hands: 259)
Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:diamond: K:diamond:
UTG raises to $1.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, fold
Flop: ($5.00, 3 players) 6:heart: K:heart: Q:heart:
Hero bets $4.00, UTG raises to $13.00, fold, Hero calls $9.00
Turn: ($31.00, 2 players) 7:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets $21.00, Hero raises to $35.50 and is all-in, UTG calls $14.50
River: ($102.00, 2 players) 4:spade:
Hero shows Q:diamond: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Queens) (Pre 14%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows K:club: K:spade: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 86%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins $99.50
Aleksei
Legend
Silver Level
In. Have potentially dozens of spews to post from my last foray into 4NL, will look through and post when I get time. But just to get warmed up:
Table and Position Review
Game #71368440-38: Riviera IX - No Limit ($0.02/$0.04) Holdem - 0.02/0.04
Seat #0: Aretino (SB), $6.23
Seat #1: Tapouttazz99 (BB), $3.60
Seat #2: Phoenix112, $4.00
Seat #3: Dontufold5, $4.27
Seat #4: FoldToTheMoneyDotCom, $2.03
Seat #5: Lutador (D), $4.89
*** Blinds ***
Aretino posts the small blind of 0.02
Tapouttazz99 posts the big blind of 0.04
*** Pre-Flop ***
Aretino got hole cards K♣A♠
Phoenix112 folds
Dontufold5 folds
FoldToTheMoneyDotCom folds
Lutador folds
Aretino raises with 0.12
Tapouttazz99 calls 0.08
*** Flop *** Pot: 0
A♥6♠8♠
Aretino bets 0.12
Tapouttazz99 calls 0.12
*** Turn *** Pot: 0
A♥6♠8♠ J♣
Aretino bets 0.24
Tapouttazz99 goes all-in with 3.36
Aretino calls 3.12
Aretino shows K♣A♠
Tapouttazz99 shows 8♣A♣
*** River *** Pot: 6
A♥6♠8♠ J♣ 5♣
Tapouttazz99 wins 6.80
Table and Position Review
Game #71368440-41: Riviera IX - No Limit ($0.02/$0.04) Holdem - 0.02/0.04
Seat #0: Aretino, $4.00
Seat #1: Tapouttazz99, $6.78
Seat #2: Phoenix112 (D), $4.00
Seat #3: Dontufold5 (SB), $4.23
Seat #4: FoldToTheMoneyDotCom (BB), $2.09
Seat #5: Lutador, $4.89
*** Blinds ***
Dontufold5 posts the small blind of 0.02
FoldToTheMoneyDotCom posts the big blind of 0.04
*** Pre-Flop ***
Aretino got hole cards A♥A♠
Lutador folds
Aretino raises with 0.12
Tapouttazz99 folds
Phoenix112 calls 0.12
Dontufold5 folds
FoldToTheMoneyDotCom folds
*** Flop *** Pot: 0
J♠2♥5♦
Aretino bets 0.20
Phoenix112 calls 0.20
*** Turn *** Pot: 0
J♠2♥5♦ 6♥
Aretino bets 0.52
Phoenix112 raises with 1.56
Aretino raises with 2.60
Phoenix112 goes all-in with 2.12
Aretino goes all-in with 1.08
Aretino shows A♥A♠
Phoenix112 shows 5♥5♠
*** River *** Pot: 6
J♠2♥5♦ 6♥ 3♥
Phoenix112 wins 7.62
Table and Position Review
Game #71368440-38: Riviera IX - No Limit ($0.02/$0.04) Holdem - 0.02/0.04
Seat #0: Aretino (SB), $6.23
Seat #1: Tapouttazz99 (BB), $3.60
Seat #2: Phoenix112, $4.00
Seat #3: Dontufold5, $4.27
Seat #4: FoldToTheMoneyDotCom, $2.03
Seat #5: Lutador (D), $4.89
*** Blinds ***
Aretino posts the small blind of 0.02
Tapouttazz99 posts the big blind of 0.04
*** Pre-Flop ***
Aretino got hole cards K♣A♠
Phoenix112 folds
Dontufold5 folds
FoldToTheMoneyDotCom folds
Lutador folds
Aretino raises with 0.12
Tapouttazz99 calls 0.08
*** Flop *** Pot: 0
A♥6♠8♠
Aretino bets 0.12
Tapouttazz99 calls 0.12
*** Turn *** Pot: 0
A♥6♠8♠ J♣
Aretino bets 0.24
Tapouttazz99 goes all-in with 3.36
Aretino calls 3.12
Aretino shows K♣A♠
Tapouttazz99 shows 8♣A♣
*** River *** Pot: 6
A♥6♠8♠ J♣ 5♣
Tapouttazz99 wins 6.80
Table and Position Review
Game #71368440-41: Riviera IX - No Limit ($0.02/$0.04) Holdem - 0.02/0.04
Seat #0: Aretino, $4.00
Seat #1: Tapouttazz99, $6.78
Seat #2: Phoenix112 (D), $4.00
Seat #3: Dontufold5 (SB), $4.23
Seat #4: FoldToTheMoneyDotCom (BB), $2.09
Seat #5: Lutador, $4.89
*** Blinds ***
Dontufold5 posts the small blind of 0.02
FoldToTheMoneyDotCom posts the big blind of 0.04
*** Pre-Flop ***
Aretino got hole cards A♥A♠
Lutador folds
Aretino raises with 0.12
Tapouttazz99 folds
Phoenix112 calls 0.12
Dontufold5 folds
FoldToTheMoneyDotCom folds
*** Flop *** Pot: 0
J♠2♥5♦
Aretino bets 0.20
Phoenix112 calls 0.20
*** Turn *** Pot: 0
J♠2♥5♦ 6♥
Aretino bets 0.52
Phoenix112 raises with 1.56
Aretino raises with 2.60
Phoenix112 goes all-in with 2.12
Aretino goes all-in with 1.08
Aretino shows A♥A♠
Phoenix112 shows 5♥5♠
*** River *** Pot: 6
J♠2♥5♦ 6♥ 3♥
Phoenix112 wins 7.62
Cafeman
Legend
Silver Level
vinylspiros
PIRANHA-------->< (((º>
Silver Level
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
weaktight.com
Aleksei
Legend
Silver Level
S
ScottishMatt
Legend
Silver Level
I lied. I do spew. Enjoy!
poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2276918
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG: $12.89
Hero (CO): $13.64
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.77
BB: $29.99
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 5 :diamond: A :diamond:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.32, BTN calls $0.32, 1 fold, BB calls $0.22
Flop: ($1.01) 7 :diamond: T :diamond: T :club: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BTN folds, BB calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.21) J :diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB raises to $3.40, Hero raises to $5.10, BB calls $1.70
River: ($12.41) J :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.62 all in, BB calls $7.62
Final Pot: $27.65
Hero shows 5 :diamond: A :diamond: (a flush, Ace high)
BB shows K :club: T :spade: (a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
BB wins $26.41
(Rake: $1.24)
Surely I win right?
poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2276918
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
UTG: $12.89
Hero (CO): $13.64
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.77
BB: $29.99
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 5 :diamond: A :diamond:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.32, BTN calls $0.32, 1 fold, BB calls $0.22
Flop: ($1.01) 7 :diamond: T :diamond: T :club: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BTN folds, BB calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.21) J :diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB raises to $3.40, Hero raises to $5.10, BB calls $1.70
River: ($12.41) J :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.62 all in, BB calls $7.62
Final Pot: $27.65
Hero shows 5 :diamond: A :diamond: (a flush, Ace high)
BB shows K :club: T :spade: (a full house, Tens full of Jacks)
BB wins $26.41
(Rake: $1.24)
Surely I win right?
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
The river is pretty bad but it's only for a little more than 1/2 pot so I don't think you're even in consideration tbh.