Vini_lepoker
Rock Star
Silver Level
M
Mahakali
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hey guys,
I am new player and was referred from reddit to sign up here.I was reading some of the first pages on this topic and just wanted to say massive thank you for the people that take up from their free time to help players up their game. I deposited my first 20 pounds into poker stars couple of weeks ago. Went up to $51 and now I am down to $12 sadly. Played only 2NL zoom. I would love if someone can have a look at my history and point out the mistakes I need to fix.
Cheers.
I am new player and was referred from reddit to sign up here.I was reading some of the first pages on this topic and just wanted to say massive thank you for the people that take up from their free time to help players up their game. I deposited my first 20 pounds into poker stars couple of weeks ago. Went up to $51 and now I am down to $12 sadly. Played only 2NL zoom. I would love if someone can have a look at my history and point out the mistakes I need to fix.
Cheers.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
call or fold
Ok felt much calmer today so played a 10nl FR session, dropped down 2bi just whiffing everything but then turned it around and ended up 2bi
This was the only really tricky decision of the session
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Hero (SB): $11.20 (112 bb)
BB: $9.42 (94.2 bb)
UTG+2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP1: $16.15 (161.5 bb)
MP2: $6.81 (68.1 bb)
MP3: $10.24 (102.4 bb)
CO: $10.65 (106.5 bb)
BTN: $9.69 (96.9 bb)VPIP: 22, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 129
Preflop: Hero is SB with A
A
UTG+2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.97, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.67
Flop: ($2.24) 3
Q
2
(2 players)
Hero bets $1.68, BTN calls $1.68
Turn: ($5.60) K
(2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, BTN raises to $7.04 and is all-in, Hero?
I tanked for quite a while over this one. The villain is definitely a bit fishy and not particularly aggressive.
The turn shove is strong and his low agg makes me think he can probably beat TPTK here but on the flip side he hasn't previously folded to a 3bet which means he could be wider.
I suppose it comes down to whether he could do this with AK likely with one of the cards being either the A or K of hearts. If he could I lean towards a call.
What is the best way to resolve ones thinking in the short time available at the table in a spot where they shove like this?
Even away from the table it seems close I tried to see what would value shove here, QQ KK KQ, made flushes Ah Jh, AhTh maybe a few more flushes as he's bad
It's the over overvalued hands that we beat I had trouble quantifying
like AK 6 (combos) AhQx (3 combos)
Kh with a Q. It sort of tips it towards a fold if he's calling the 3bet with all KQ but we don't have enough info to know.
I suppose we are getting around 3.5-1 and we should have enough equity to call here.
Ok felt much calmer today so played a 10nl FR session, dropped down 2bi just whiffing everything but then turned it around and ended up 2bi
This was the only really tricky decision of the session
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Hero (SB): $11.20 (112 bb)
BB: $9.42 (94.2 bb)
UTG+2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP1: $16.15 (161.5 bb)
MP2: $6.81 (68.1 bb)
MP3: $10.24 (102.4 bb)
CO: $10.65 (106.5 bb)
BTN: $9.69 (96.9 bb)VPIP: 22, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 129
Preflop: Hero is SB with A
UTG+2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.97, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.67
Flop: ($2.24) 3
Hero bets $1.68, BTN calls $1.68
Turn: ($5.60) K
Hero bets $2.80, BTN raises to $7.04 and is all-in, Hero?
I tanked for quite a while over this one. The villain is definitely a bit fishy and not particularly aggressive.
The turn shove is strong and his low agg makes me think he can probably beat TPTK here but on the flip side he hasn't previously folded to a 3bet which means he could be wider.
I suppose it comes down to whether he could do this with AK likely with one of the cards being either the A or K of hearts. If he could I lean towards a call.
What is the best way to resolve ones thinking in the short time available at the table in a spot where they shove like this?
Even away from the table it seems close I tried to see what would value shove here, QQ KK KQ, made flushes Ah Jh, AhTh maybe a few more flushes as he's bad
It's the over overvalued hands that we beat I had trouble quantifying
like AK 6 (combos) AhQx (3 combos)
Kh with a Q. It sort of tips it towards a fold if he's calling the 3bet with all KQ but we don't have enough info to know.
I suppose we are getting around 3.5-1 and we should have enough equity to call here.
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Ok felt much calmer today so played a 10nl FR session, dropped down 2bi just whiffing everything but then turned it around and ended up 2bi
This was the only really tricky decision of the session
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Hero (SB): $11.20 (112 bb)
BB: $9.42 (94.2 bb)
UTG+2: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP1: $16.15 (161.5 bb)
MP2: $6.81 (68.1 bb)
MP3: $10.24 (102.4 bb)
CO: $10.65 (106.5 bb)
BTN: $9.69 (96.9 bb)VPIP: 22, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 1.9, Hands: 129
Preflop: Hero is SB with AA
UTG+2 calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.97, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.67
Flop: ($2.24) 3Q2(2 players)
Hero bets $1.68, BTN calls $1.68
Turn: ($5.60) K(2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, BTN raises to $7.04 and is all-in, Hero?
I tanked for quite a while over this one. The villain is definitely a bit fishy and not particularly aggressive.
The turn shove is strong and his low agg makes me think he can probably beat TPTK here but on the flip side he hasn't previously folded to a 3bet which means he could be wider.
I suppose it comes down to whether he could do this with AK likely with one of the cards being either the A or K of hearts. If he could I lean towards a call.
What is the best way to resolve ones thinking in the short time available at the table in a spot where they shove like this?
Even away from the table it seems close I tried to see what would value shove here, QQ KK KQ, made flushes Ah Jh, AhTh maybe a few more flushes as he's bad
It's the over overvalued hands that we beat I had trouble quantifying
like AK 6 (combos) AhQx (3 combos)
Kh with a Q. It sort of tips it towards a fold if he's calling the 3bet with all KQ but we don't have enough info to know.
I suppose we are getting around 3.5-1 and we should have enough equity to call here.
Not loving it, but you can't bet/fold there. I think you analyzed it well. His position raise and call looks like he'll have a good amount of flushes in his range as well.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Ok, so another case study.
I know we've done this before, and we have some of the filters for HM2/PT4 in here somewhere. But I'd like everyone to run a filter for cold calling OOP to 3x or under opens w/ marginal hands.
You can either post your results, or PM me with them, but I want to put together a more formal case study that I will do a video / article about for everyone. I think there's a good amount of a gap between the math and the actual reality of what happens in these spots, but I want to get as much info /data as I can.
Hand ranges something like this:
[ A2s-A5s(100), KTs(100), QTs+(100), KTo-KJo(100), QTo+(100), J9s+(100), J9o+(100), T8s+(100), T9o(100), 97s+(100), 97o+(100), 85s+(100), 86o+(100), 75s+(100), 76o(100), 64s+(100), 65o(100), 54s(100) ]
So 3 filter points. One with both offsuit and suited. Then two more with just offsuit and then just suited.
Then the exact same filter points, but just from the big blind.
I know we've done this before, and we have some of the filters for HM2/PT4 in here somewhere. But I'd like everyone to run a filter for cold calling OOP to 3x or under opens w/ marginal hands.
You can either post your results, or PM me with them, but I want to put together a more formal case study that I will do a video / article about for everyone. I think there's a good amount of a gap between the math and the actual reality of what happens in these spots, but I want to get as much info /data as I can.
Hand ranges something like this:
[ A2s-A5s(100), KTs(100), QTs+(100), KTo-KJo(100), QTo+(100), J9s+(100), J9o+(100), T8s+(100), T9o(100), 97s+(100), 97o+(100), 85s+(100), 86o+(100), 75s+(100), 76o(100), 64s+(100), 65o(100), 54s(100) ]
So 3 filter points. One with both offsuit and suited. Then two more with just offsuit and then just suited.
Then the exact same filter points, but just from the big blind.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
cold calling
cold call or over call any position
[ A2s-A5s(100), KTs(100), QTs+(100), KTo-KJo(100), QTo+(100), J9s+(100), J9o+(100), T8s+(100), T9o(100), 97s+(100), 97o+(100), 85s+(100), 86o+(100), 75s+(100), 76o(100), 64s+(100), 65o(100), 54s(100) ]
.................Hands..... bb/100
both .........5704.. .... -43.56
Suited ......3639 .......-31.57
Unsuited ..2065...... -64.68
cold call or over call in Big Blind
................Hands..... bb/100
both ........ 2433..... -60.56
Suited...... 1381..... -46.66
Unsuited.. 1052..... -78.76
Just out of interest I looked at the button as well
................Hands..... bb/100
both ........1363 ..... +39.81
Suited...... 904.......+47.70
Unsuited....459 ..... +24.27
(Phew)
Overall sample size 731398 hands. I've weeded everything pre 2014
cold call or over call any position
[ A2s-A5s(100), KTs(100), QTs+(100), KTo-KJo(100), QTo+(100), J9s+(100), J9o+(100), T8s+(100), T9o(100), 97s+(100), 97o+(100), 85s+(100), 86o+(100), 75s+(100), 76o(100), 64s+(100), 65o(100), 54s(100) ]
.................Hands..... bb/100
both .........5704.. .... -43.56
Suited ......3639 .......-31.57
Unsuited ..2065...... -64.68
cold call or over call in Big Blind
................Hands..... bb/100
both ........ 2433..... -60.56
Suited...... 1381..... -46.66
Unsuited.. 1052..... -78.76
Just out of interest I looked at the button as well
................Hands..... bb/100
both ........1363 ..... +39.81
Suited...... 904.......+47.70
Unsuited....459 ..... +24.27
(Phew)
Overall sample size 731398 hands. I've weeded everything pre 2014
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Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
I also looked at what was happening when I three bet this range of hands on the button.
Would you expect to see a bigger win rate than calling? I thought so, but no, I looked and I was losing at -442bb/100. Mind you it was only 85 hands in a very large sample, looks like I need to work on my polarised 3betting game.
Would you expect to see a bigger win rate than calling? I thought so, but no, I looked and I was losing at -442bb/100. Mind you it was only 85 hands in a very large sample, looks like I need to work on my polarised 3betting game.
John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Cool... thanks Fig!
Now out of those hands, can you week out which groups you're losing over 100bbs in the BB from? Both suited and unsuited groups?
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
missed a ton of value
Made a mistake here not betting the turn and not betting bigger on the river.
I think leading out and just calling the flop CR is ok as 56 and A5 are very possible but once we boat up I should have lead out. I was rather expecting the guy who checkraised to bet again and was looking for a CR all in on the turn myself.
Turn sizing when we lead out? I'm thinking 60-70% pot.
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $21.01 (210.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $14.93 (149.3 bb)VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 1723
MP2: $9.75 (97.5 bb)VPIP: 28, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 25
MP3: $9.86 (98.6 bb)
CO: $5.60 (56 bb)
BTN: $12.11 (121.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
4
MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.95) 2
4
3
(3 players)
Hero bets $0.47, MP1 calls $0.47, MP2 raises to $1.24, Hero calls $0.77, MP1 calls $0.77
Turn: ($4.67) 2
(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks
River: ($4.67) J
(3 players)
Hero bets $2.33, MP1 calls $2.33, MP2 calls $2.33
Results: $11.66 pot ($0.58 rake)
Final Board: 2
4
3
2
J
Hero showed 4
4
and won $11.08 ($7.21 net)
MP1 showed 3
3
and lost (-$3.87 net)
MP2 showed A
5
and lost (-$3.87 net)
Made a mistake here not betting the turn and not betting bigger on the river.
I think leading out and just calling the flop CR is ok as 56 and A5 are very possible but once we boat up I should have lead out. I was rather expecting the guy who checkraised to bet again and was looking for a CR all in on the turn myself.
Turn sizing when we lead out? I'm thinking 60-70% pot.
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
SB: $21.01 (210.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $14.93 (149.3 bb)VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 1723
MP2: $9.75 (97.5 bb)VPIP: 28, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 25
MP3: $9.86 (98.6 bb)
CO: $5.60 (56 bb)
BTN: $12.11 (121.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.95) 2
Hero bets $0.47, MP1 calls $0.47, MP2 raises to $1.24, Hero calls $0.77, MP1 calls $0.77
Turn: ($4.67) 2
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks
River: ($4.67) J
Hero bets $2.33, MP1 calls $2.33, MP2 calls $2.33
Results: $11.66 pot ($0.58 rake)
Final Board: 2
Hero showed 4
MP1 showed 3
MP2 showed A
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Strange hand. Yeah, just because there's so many bad turns for you, and you're OOP against 2 players, I'd just 3-bet the flop and look to get it in.
As played, bet the turn for sure. If you get 2 calls after a raise on the flop, check% on the turn goes way up. Just even betting $2 would be good.
As played, river should be a check/jam at this point. You want to allow for some bluffs. And other mid pairs will likely bet something by the river.
As played, if you're going to bet, then bet at least $3 here. Crazy that Mp1 didn't jam. Was he worried about quads? Are you playing mega nitty or something?
Really strange.
As played, bet the turn for sure. If you get 2 calls after a raise on the flop, check% on the turn goes way up. Just even betting $2 would be good.
As played, river should be a check/jam at this point. You want to allow for some bluffs. And other mid pairs will likely bet something by the river.
As played, if you're going to bet, then bet at least $3 here. Crazy that Mp1 didn't jam. Was he worried about quads? Are you playing mega nitty or something?
Really strange.
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Sorry guys not played much, had a few personal issues.
I know you have posted filters before John in this thread have you any similar?
I havent done one of these filters for a long time and not sure what sections to look for.
or Figaroo if you ran the reports with the stuff John wanted, would you be able to save yours and send me an email
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
from these
you should be able to do it from these.
I think we could have put T8os in there as well.
When it comes to being in the BB just click, hero's position in the BB and raiser every other position
Hmm hope its nothing too seriousSorry guys not played much, had a few personal issues.
I know you have posted filters before John in this thread have you any similar?
I havent done one of these filters for a long time and not sure what sections to look for.
or Figaroo if you ran the reports with the stuff John wanted, would you be able to save yours and send me an email
you should be able to do it from these.
I think we could have put T8os in there as well.
When it comes to being in the BB just click, hero's position in the BB and raiser every other position
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Thanks copying the above out of 282K Hands
1st pic Filter, 2nd pic is all stats (1351), all Suited (831) , then all Offsuit (520)
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
I think that was a mistype. Just want to know 3x and 2.5x opens from btn with BB defense. Different sets of hands, unsited, suited, and then top of that range, and bottom of that same range.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Plague of min raising appearing
What is going on?
I lost count of the times I got min raised preflop and flop by fishy villains today. Which training sites are pushing min raising?
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
SB: $5.49 (54.9 bb)VPIP: 78, PFR: 41, 3B: 47, AF: 3.0, Hands: 32
BB: $7.34 (73.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $14.58 (145.8 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
9
Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($1.10) A
T
4
(2 players)
SB bets $4.99 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.99
Turn: ($11.08) 4
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($11.08) 7
(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $11.08 pot ($0.55 rake)
Final Board: A
T
4
4
7
SB showed 2
8
and lost (-$5.49 net)
Hero showed A
9
and won $10.53 ($5.04 net)
Anyone continuing here? 5bet shove with some FE or fold? Calling doesn't look particularly appealing. BB only has a squeeze% of 2, MP is generally just sticky preflop and plays mainly from late position.
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
SB: $31.78 (317.8 bb)
BB: $20.58 (205.8 bb)VPIP: 19, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 1030
UTG+1: $24.41 (244.1 bb)
UTG+2: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $10.38 (103.8 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb) VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 5.0, Hands: 95
MP3: $14.88 (148.8 bb)
CO: $13.31 (133.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
K
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, SB folds, BB raises to $3.05, MP2 calls $2.75,
Hero?
What is going on?
I lost count of the times I got min raised preflop and flop by fishy villains today. Which training sites are pushing min raising?
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
SB: $5.49 (54.9 bb)VPIP: 78, PFR: 41, 3B: 47, AF: 3.0, Hands: 32
BB: $7.34 (73.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $14.58 (145.8 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.50, BB folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: ($1.10) A
SB bets $4.99 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.99
Turn: ($11.08) 4
River: ($11.08) 7
Results: $11.08 pot ($0.55 rake)
Final Board: A
SB showed 2
Hero showed A
Anyone continuing here? 5bet shove with some FE or fold? Calling doesn't look particularly appealing. BB only has a squeeze% of 2, MP is generally just sticky preflop and plays mainly from late position.
Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
SB: $31.78 (317.8 bb)
BB: $20.58 (205.8 bb)VPIP: 19, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 1030
UTG+1: $24.41 (244.1 bb)
UTG+2: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $10.38 (103.8 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb) VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 6, AF: 5.0, Hands: 95
MP3: $14.88 (148.8 bb)
CO: $13.31 (133.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, SB folds, BB raises to $3.05, MP2 calls $2.75,
Hero?
: hero folds ($7.05) 7
J
8
(2 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets $2.82, BB folds
Results: $7.05 pot ($0.35 rake)
Final Board: 7
J
8
BB mucked and lost (-$3.05 net)
MP2 mucked and won $6.70 ($3.65 net)
BB checks, MP2 bets $2.82, BB folds
Results: $7.05 pot ($0.35 rake)
Final Board: 7
BB mucked and lost (-$3.05 net)
MP2 mucked and won $6.70 ($3.65 net)
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John A
Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
I don't think that fish is at a training site in your first hand.
Cold 4-bet from someone who doesn't 3-bet or squeeze much. Mathematically it's pretty close to neutral EV if you shove and both call because of what you already have in there. So if you say MP can fold even a small % of the time, it's a +EV play. You say his sticky though. So it's close. If this wasn't 10nl, I don't hate a call here either, but overall I'd lean towards a fold. BB doesn't seem to be playing the situation at all, so he's probably almost completely weighted to QQ+/AK.
Cold 4-bet from someone who doesn't 3-bet or squeeze much. Mathematically it's pretty close to neutral EV if you shove and both call because of what you already have in there. So if you say MP can fold even a small % of the time, it's a +EV play. You say his sticky though. So it's close. If this wasn't 10nl, I don't hate a call here either, but overall I'd lean towards a fold. BB doesn't seem to be playing the situation at all, so he's probably almost completely weighted to QQ+/AK.
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rhombus
Legend
Silver Level
Took BB off although it looked like it was on your top image in post https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...er-vol-i-study-group-227214/post-3650413.html
New screnshot All hands 2981, Suited 2210 and Non suited 771
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Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
interesting preflop spot
Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
SB: $33.37 (111.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $30.24 (100.8 bb)
UTG+1: $31.66 (105.5 bb)
UTG+2: $24.97 (83.2 bb)
MP1: $30.21 (100.7 bb) VPIP: 41, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 1.7, Hands: 63
MP2: $27.54 (91.8 bb)
MP3: $31.65 (105.5 bb) VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1841
CO: $42.12 (140.4 bb)
BTN: $26.60 (88.7 bb) VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 1.5, Hands: 1033
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
Q
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.20, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.20, CO folds, BTN calls $1.20, SB folds,
Hero?
Its not often I'm not sure what to do preflop
Here my first instinct was that it as a good squeeze spot as the opener is loose but then the x4 bet sizing is unusal these days and gets the hackles up and none of the other regs wanted to raise and take him on either.
Squeeze or call?
Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
SB: $33.37 (111.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $30.24 (100.8 bb)
UTG+1: $31.66 (105.5 bb)
UTG+2: $24.97 (83.2 bb)
MP1: $30.21 (100.7 bb) VPIP: 41, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 1.7, Hands: 63
MP2: $27.54 (91.8 bb)
MP3: $31.65 (105.5 bb) VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1841
CO: $42.12 (140.4 bb)
BTN: $26.60 (88.7 bb) VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 1.5, Hands: 1033
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.20, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.20, CO folds, BTN calls $1.20, SB folds,
Hero?
Its not often I'm not sure what to do preflop
Here my first instinct was that it as a good squeeze spot as the opener is loose but then the x4 bet sizing is unusal these days and gets the hackles up and none of the other regs wanted to raise and take him on either.
Squeeze or call?