Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $15.88 (63.5 bb)
BB: $38.12 (152.5 bb)
UTG+2: $45.66 (182.6 bb)
MP1: $16.94 (67.8 bb)
Hero (MP2): $25 (100 bb)
MP3: $47.92 (191.7 bb)
CO: $25.80 (103.2 bb)VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 3, AF: 0.6, Hands: 203
BTN: $48.05 (192.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

4

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 4

8

A

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.18, CO calls $1.18

Turn: ($4.21) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.68, CO calls $2.68

River: ($9.57) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets ?
Clearly hes likely to call with his Ace hands and raise with his flushes so it looks like a clear bet fold spot, but how much do we bet to avoid giving away too much information about our hand?

Spoiler

Hero bets $4

Spoiler

, CO calls $4
Results: $17.57 pot ($0.79 rake)
Final Board: 4

8

A

J

Q

Hero showed 4

4

and won $16.78 ($8.17 net)
CO mucked Q

A

and lost (-$8.61 net)....Now I wish I'd bet 6.50....

The problem in this hand isn't really the river, although there's a theme happening here that you should really pay attention to in all of your hands.

Bet sizing... you don't have enough hands on this guy to care about exploitable bet sizes, so take advantage of it.

On the flop, if this guy has Ax or a flush draw, they aren't folding. Bet more. Same on the turn. On the river, against someone this passive, they make it ubber easy. You can bet a larger amount that you might need to call against more aggressive opponents, because they are only raising the very top of their range. So even as played, bet fold $5. But I want to go street by street and count the BBs we missed... because this adds up at the end of the month correct? What is going to separate you from the other regs in your game, REALLY GOOD bet sizing... always.

1.85 on the flop... we bet 1.6... turn would then be...
5.05, and we bet 3.85.. then the river would be...
12.75, and we bet 6.8...

In the hand you played, you won: 8.61
In the hand I played, I won: 13
BB diff: ~17.5 bbs

And I'll tell you, when I'm betting, I'm thinking about what are my worst runouts, and how much of those bad runnouts hit my opponents range. The more passive my opponent is, the more aggressive I get w/ my big hands because I know on those bad runouts, I can get away from my hand much easier if they raise. I'm not getting myself into thresholds where I've committed vs. their range.

I hope that gives you something to think about this weekend... and keep up the good play! You're doing well, and winning, now let's crush.

 

[Aces2w1n]

John i prolly wouldve bet more and jammed river
.. and get called by AQ.

This guys stats suggests he will make folds on flop against draws. So calling here tells me he should have 2 pair and will call us down because it will be hard for him to let it go

Im putting him on AJ

 

[Figaroo2]

Thanks John, good points.
I've been 2/3 flop, 2/3 turn, half pot river most of the time. Although if I'm certain they are drawing or aren't going to fold I will often bump it up on the turn or overbet the river. Extreme example here.


On the off chance of an 8
Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $2.95 (59 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.81 (116.2 bb)
MP1: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
MP2: $6.25 (125 bb)
MP3: $6.11 (122.2 bb)
CO: $7.32 (146.4 bb)
BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

8

4 folds, BTN calls $0.05, SB folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12) 7

5

4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.12) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.06, BTN calls $0.06

River: ($0.24) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.70, BTN calls $4.96 and is all-in

Results: $10.16 pot ($0.59 rake)
Final Board: 7

5

4

2

6

Hero showed 9

8

and won $9.57 ($4.50 net)
BTN showed T

8

and lost (-$5.07 net)

 

[Figaroo2]

Oh and for those who didn't know, the current pokerstars card match promotion works at different stakes, one card per stake level.
I knocked if off at 10nl and then when I opened 25nl I noticed a new card appeared, so then I also did a card at 5nl. The three bonuses giving me an extra $4 for the day for pretty much nothing.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Ohhh wow didnt know that

. Thanks oohh won a $1

 

[rhombus]

Oh and for those who didn't know, the current Pokerstars card match promotion works at different stakes, one card per stake level.
I knocked if off at 10nl and then when I opened 25nl I noticed a new card appeared, so then I also did a card at 5nl. The three bonuses giving me an extra $4 for the day for pretty much nothing.

I played 1c/2c and won a whole 10cents lol

 

[Figaroo2]

I played 1c/2c and won a whole 10cents lol

The bigger the stake level the bigger the bonus.
How about these two Jacks hands for Deja vu

Also I posted this hand in my thread as it was unusual, someone opening 18bb like randomly with AK

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.53 (55.3 bb)
BB: $9.91 (99.1 bb)
UTG+2: $4.55 (45.5 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb)VPIP: 27, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 0.9, Hands: 292
MP2: $11.99 (119.9 bb)
Hero (MP3): $10.68 (106.8 bb)
CO: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
BTN: $12.77 (127.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

K

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.79, WTF is this??MP2 folds, Hero calls $1.79, 4 folds
I was wondering whether this was a misclick

Flop: ($3.73) 4

Q

7

(2 players)
MP1 bets $2, Hero raises to $8.89 and is all-in, MP1 calls $6.21 and is all-in (not sure about the shove actually, calling down looks better in hindsight and I might have gotton away from this one on the turn if id called.)

Turn: ($20.15) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($20.15) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $20.15 pot ($1.00 rake)
Final Board: 4

Q

7

A

T

MP1 showed K

A

and won $19.15 ($9.15 net)
Hero showed K

K

and won $0.00 (-$10 net) TILT calls a whole stack all in with two over cards and hits an ace and tells me he was a 70% fav......sigh
still $200 under EV this year at 90% 10nl.

 

[Aces2w1n]

I would've raised pre. And he would've shoved and we snap call... and just watch the bad runout

 

[Figaroo2]

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $0.20(BB) 888 Pacific
UTG ($25.25)
EP ($31.0)
MP ($15.92) vpip38/pfr14/37% agg, 21 hands (aggro donk)
MP ($14.65)
HJ ($26.55)
CO ($7.66)
HERO ($20.0)
SB ($28.99)
BB ($12.0)

Dealt to Hero Q♦ Q♥

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP Calls $0.20 (Rem. Stack: 15.72), MP Folds, HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.20 (Rem. Stack: 7.46), HERO Raises To $1.10 (Rem. Stack: 18.90), SB Folds, BB Folds, MP Calls $0.90 (Rem. Stack: 14.82), CO Folds

Flop ($2.70) 3♥ T♥ 7♦
MP Checks, HERO Bets $1.82 (Rem. Stack: 17.08), MP Calls $1.82 (Rem. Stack: 13.00)

Turn ($6.34) 3♥ T♥ 7♦ T♠
MP Checks, HERO Checks

River ($6.34) 3♥ T♥ 7♦ T♠ 3♣
MP Bets $4.52 (Rem. Stack: 8.48), HERO Calls $4.52 (Rem. Stack: 12.56)

MP shows K♥ J♥

HERO wins $14.62

I know I should be betting the turn, but having checked I'm calling nearly all rivers as I had seen several bluff attempts in his short time at the table

 

[Jay Stockton]

LeakBuster for DriveHud

Hi John,

Thank you for Coaching us...

I was wondering when you will have LeakBuster for DriveHud. I have your DriveHud App and I rather spend my money on my coach Apps..., instead of buying Holdem.

Thanks,
Jay

 

[John A]

John i prolly wouldve bet more and jammed river
.. and get called by AQ.

This guys stats suggests he will make folds on flop against draws. So calling here tells me he should have 2 pair and will call us down because it will be hard for him to let it go

Im putting him on AJ

Yeah, but the problem here is that this guy is super passive. Even if his aggression doubles, he's still passive. And you always have to remember that you're playing the player, not how you see or think about the game, but how they do. And how do super passive players think? They see a lot of monsters under their beds. I think if you jammed here you are getting AQ and other top pair / 2 pair combos to fold more often than just value betting and getting nearly 100% of calls. Not to mention, he will have a draw sometimes and will have connected.

 

[John A]

Hi John,

Thank you for Coaching us...

I was wondering when you will have LeakBuster for DriveHud. I have your DriveHud app and I rather spend my money on my coach apps..., instead of buying Holdem.

Thanks,
Jay

Yeah, I hear you 100%. I don't have an ETA right now. It's still in development. There's a lot that's being re-done about it, and we've been putting a ton of time into it. The team is doing a really good job honestly though, and I love the new interfaces we have (perhaps I'll post this week). We're still a few months away, and the ETA is hard to say because a lot depends on the testing and early beta process. I'd love to get it out tomorrow if possible! But I will post some updates when I have a better idea. Thanks for the question. Your name sounds super familiar, have I coached you in the past before?

 

[Jay Stockton]

Yeah, I hear you 100%. I don't have an ETA right now. It's still in development. There's a lot that's being re-done about it, and we've been putting a ton of time into it. The team is doing a really good job honestly though, and I love the new interfaces we have (perhaps I'll post this week). We're still a few months away, and the ETA is hard to say because a lot depends on the testing and early beta process. I'd love to get it out tomorrow if possible! But I will post some updates when I have a better idea. Thanks for the question. Your name sounds super familiar, have I coached you in the past before?

Hi John,

How I wish you would coach me someday, I never been coach before. You can say that I'm a Cretin when it comes to cash games…

If you need Beta testers, please sign me up. I have over 20 years of IT experience working with games and web sites for QA.

Thanks to you, I'm slowly improving my cash game play.
Jay

 

[John A]

The bigger the stake level the bigger the bonus.
How about these two Jacks hands for Deja vu

Also I posted this hand in my thread as it was unusual, someone opening 18bb like randomly with AK

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.53 (55.3 bb)
BB: $9.91 (99.1 bb)
UTG+2: $4.55 (45.5 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb)VPIP: 27, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 0.9, Hands: 292
MP2: $11.99 (119.9 bb)
Hero (MP3): $10.68 (106.8 bb)
CO: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
BTN: $12.77 (127.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

K

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.79, WTF is this??MP2 folds, Hero calls $1.79, 4 folds
I was wondering whether this was a misclick

Flop: ($3.73) 4

Q

7

(2 players)
MP1 bets $2, Hero raises to $8.89 and is all-in, MP1 calls $6.21 and is all-in (not sure about the shove actually, calling down looks better in hindsight and I might have gotton away from this one on the turn if id called.)

Turn: ($20.15) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($20.15) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $20.15 pot ($1.00 rake)
Final Board: 4

Q

7

A

T

MP1 showed K

A

and won $19.15 ($9.15 net)
Hero showed K

K

and won $0.00 (-$10 net) TILT calls a whole stack all in with two over cards and hits an ace and tells me he was a 70% fav......sigh
still $200 under EV this year at 90% 10nl.

Misclick, tilt, just feeling spunky... who knows. Call and enjoy it. NH, bad result.

 

[Jay Stockton]

Yeah, I hear you 100%. I don't have an ETA right now. It's still in development. There's a lot that's being re-done about it, and we've been putting a ton of time into it. The team is doing a really good job honestly though, and I love the new interfaces we have (perhaps I'll post this week). We're still a few months away, and the ETA is hard to say because a lot depends on the testing and early beta process. I'd love to get it out tomorrow if possible! But I will post some updates when I have a better idea. Thanks for the question. Your name sounds super familiar, have I coached you in the past before?

Hi John,
How I wish you would coach me someday, I never been coach before. You can say that I'm a Cretin when it comes to cash games…
If you need Beta testers, please sign me up. I have over 20 years of IT experience working with games and web sites for QA.

Thanks,
Jay

 

[John A]

Hi John,
How I wish you would coach me someday, I never been coach before. You can say that I'm a Cretin when it comes to cash games…
If you need Beta testers, please sign me up. I have over 20 years of IT experience working with games and web sites for QA.

Thanks,
Jay

Yeah, we do need another beta tester coming up here soon actually. PM me with your email and current work situation and I can fill you in.

 

[John A]

I got to work a while with the actor Jeremy Strong helping him prep for his new roll on Aaron Sorkin's new movie, "Molly's Game". They finished shooting a few weeks ago and are now in post production:

http://www.acepokersolutions.com/poker-blog/everyday/mollys-game-preview-new-poker-movie/

Should be very +EV for all of us, so really looking forward to this when it's released.

 

[Jay Stockton]

KQ vs KQ vs 98s

Summary:
History Table: This table was going crazy with 3bets, 4bets and 5bets, Preflop and PostFlop...WoW....Lots of Fun
(3 players, Hero BB, BTN and MP1 - All-In on the Flop)

Actual Results:
$0.02/$0.4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

UTG: $0
UTG+1: $5.01
MP1: $4.00 VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 28.6, AGG: 63.6, Hands: 27
MP2: $5.26
MP3: $0
CO: sit out
BTN: $14.99
SB: $5.11 VPIP: 61, PFR: 2.9, 3B: 0.0, AGG: 55.6, Hands: 34 (Fish)
BB: $4.23 (Hero)

Preflop:
MP1 Raise to 14,
SB Calls, (Fish)
Hero Calls with 8d 9d
(Pot $0.46)

(Hero figure Hands of MP1 22.2 PFR were AA-22, AKs-A3s, AKo-A8o, KQs-K7s, KQo-KTo, QJs-Q8s, QJo-QTo JTs-J9s, JTo T9s)
(Hero doesn't really care about the Fish on the BTN, more concern of the PFR)
(Fish is a Yummy Fish, Whale)

Flop: 5c, Kq, Qq (3 players)(Pot $0.46)

(Hero figure 6 top Flop Hands were Set of 5's, K's, Q's, and AK, KQ, AA)
(Hero figure 5 bottom Flop Hands could be QJ, QT, KJ, KT, AT)

(Here comes the Fun Part...)
SB bets $0.04, (Fish) (Pot $0.50)(SB money left $3.42)
Hero calls $0.04, (Pot $0.54)(My money left $4.05)
MP1 2bets $.38, (Pot $0.92)(MP1 money left $3.48)

SB 3bets $0.72, (Fish) (Pot $1.60)(SB money left $2.70)

(Hero starts thinking, both players are going crazy now...LOL)
(Hero figure the Top Flop Hands has change to AJs, KQ, Set of K's, Q's, 5's, AA)
(Hero removes the AK because of the 2bet from MP1, most likely he has a has 2 Pair, a Set or Flush Draw)
(Hero thinks Fish with his 3bet has Tp/Tk, 2 Pair, a Set, Flush Draw or bluffing)
(Hero says....Let's do this crazy thing, since the Pot is Getting Super Big)

Hero calls, (Pot $2.28)(My money left $3.37)
MP1 3bet $2.34, (Pot $4.24)(MP1 money left $1.52)
SB calls, (Fish) (Pot $5.86)(SB money left $1.08)
Hero Shoves, (Pot $9.23)
MP1 calls, (Pot $10.75)
SB calls, (Fish) (Pot $11.83)
(3 players, Hero BB, BTN and MP1 - All-In on the Flop)

Turn: Jh($11.83) (3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: 8c($11.83) (3 players, 3 are all-in)

SB shows, KQo (Fish)
MP1 shows, KsQs
Hero shows, 8d9d

Hero lost, with out proven Knowledge's...

Please correct me with the following, (I'm learning...Yeaaa):

Are these logically correct?
1) Bringing MP1 22.2 PFR down to 5.0 of PFR after the flop?
2) Is 9 outs good enough against 2 players All-In?
3) Is it OK to used 5 Top Post Flop hands and 5 bottom Post Flop hands?
4) I was not to concern about the Yummy Fish, but more concern of MP1.
5) Flush over Flush is hard to come by, so I should not be concern?
6) Going All In with 2nd Nuts Flush was a bad or good ideal?
7) Now during my play I was only thinking about hitting a Flush.
8) I understand that I'm not getting the correct pot odds with 9 outs (4:1)-
Joke, should I have folded instead of going for the Big Buck. Please remember this table was a Fun and Crazy Table with 2,3,4, and 5bets.
9) If I call the Flop, the Turn would have given me 12 outs with hopes that neither player didn't have a AK.

Expect Results:
1) How to improve in these situations.
2) Getting help will benefit me with these trouble situations.
3) What knowledge's I'm I missing.

Special Note: I'm using DriveHUD

I'm starving for more knowledge's...
Thanks,
Jay

 

[Jay Stockton]

Beta Tester for Leak Buster DriveHud

Yeah, we do need another beta tester coming up here soon actually. PM me with your email and current work situation and I can fill you in.

Hi John,

I sent the information to Admin. When trying to PM you as requested, currently I'm getting a message of

"Sorry, You should have 15 posts before you can send a new PM now you have 2 posts, But you can still able to send PM to staff
The Admin."

Please be free to look for my pm inside the Admin folder and let me know if you got it.

Thanks,
Jay

 

[Figaroo2]

hand for comment

Can we get more value by Check raising/check calling and raising later in this hand?
The main thing that sticks out from his stats is low aggression. I decided to take the lead here because he is AF 0.8 over a good sample so he may not bet at all.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $12.86 (51.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $27.08 (108.3 bb)
UTG+2: $10.35 (41.4 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $59.31 (237.2 bb)
MP3: $16.67 (66.7 bb)
CO: $28.66 (114.6 bb)
BTN: $31.87 (127.5 bb)VPIP: 17, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 0.8, Hands: 95

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

4

6 folds, BTN raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.50) 4

2

2

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, BTN calls $0.95, SB folds

Turn: ($3.40) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.44, BTN calls $2.44

River: ($8.28) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50

Spoiler

BTN mucked Q

Q

and lost (-$10.39 net)

I'm surprised he didn't raise the flop with his exact hand. I would have.

 

[John A]

Hi John,

I sent the information to Admin. When trying to PM you as requested, currently I'm getting a message of

"Sorry, You should have 15 posts before you can send a new PM now you have 2 posts, But you can still able to send PM to staff
The Admin."

Please be free to look for my pm inside the Admin folder and let me know if you got it.

Thanks,
Jay

I'm not an admin, so I don't have anything. You can just send a message to ace poker solutions support and they will send it to me. I didn't know you needed X number of posts before PMing here.

 

[Jay Stockton]

I'm not an admin, so I don't have anything. You can just send a message to ace poker solutions support and they will send it to me. I didn't know you needed X number of posts before PMing here.

X number of posts seems to be a business requirement.

 

[John A]

X number of posts seems to be a business requirement.

Spam filter. Helps cut down people who just come here to PM people.

 

[Stefan M]

Could I get some feedback on this hand please





***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$2.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, March 06, 03:48:30 ET 2017
Table Gondola (real money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $6.91 USD ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 0,8, Hands: 26
Seat 2: Hero ( $2.52 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 4,9, Hands: 5151
Seat 4: Player4 ( $0.72 USD ) - VPIP: 36, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 1,6, Hands: 53
Seat 5: Player5 ( $2.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 27
Seat 6: Player6 ( $2.00 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 8,0, Hands: 130
Seat 7: Player7 ( $0.24 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 34
Seat 8: Player8 ( $2.13 USD ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 13, 3B: 7, AF: 5,3, Hands: 124
Player5 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Player7 folds
Player8 raises [$0.05 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.05 USD]
Hero raises [$0.08 USD]
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$0.07 USD]
Player6 folds
Player8 raises [$0.18 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.18 USD]
Hero calls [$0.15 USD]
Player5 calls [$0.15 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Player5 checks
Player8 bets [$0.55 USD]
Player1 calls [$0.55 USD]
Hero calls [$0.55 USD]
Player5 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Player8 bets [$1.35 USD]
Player1 folds
Hero calls [$1.35 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]

Spoiler

Player8 shows [, ]
Hero shows [, ]
Player8 wins $5.10 USD from main pot

 

[Figaroo2]

bet fold river sizing

I'm finding this situation on the river quite profitable. When a reg fires out 1/3 pot on the river on a scary board it is often a sign of bet fold spot for them, so a raise takes them off the hand. Our raise doesn't have to be too big 3/4 to pot seems to be working well.
Any thoughts?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $26.58 (106.3 bb)
BB: $37.69 (150.8 bb) VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 1.5, Hands: 2459
MP1: $63.51 (254 bb)
MP2: $24.25 (97 bb)
MP3: $21.03 (84.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
BTN: $31.70 (126.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5

A

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 7

A

Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.02, BB calls $1.02

Turn: ($3.64) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.64) J

(2 players)
BB bets $1.10, Hero raises to $4.89, BB folds
Can't see him having many tens here in anycase

Results: $5.84 pot ($0.26 rake)
Final Board: 7

A

Q

K

J

BB mucked and lost (-$2.87 net)
Hero mucked 5

A

and won $5.58 ($2.71 net)