Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
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MSPT this weekend so I have some small shot at redemption. Don't love this particular casino, but the drive up there tends to be pretty nice.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Some hands I guess:
Hand 1:
I straddle to $10, there’s 3 limps, and I have AKo, and make it $60. One caller only. He limp calls a big range pre, and raises tight.
Flop ($140) AJ2r
I decide to check, mostly because it’s so dry. He checks it back.
Turn ($140) Qc brings BDFD
I bet $90, expecting to be ahead a ton of the time, plus there’s some draws now. He calls pretty fast.
River ($320) 2o
I bet $275, hoping to look extremely polarized, and get looked up by every Ax (that thinks it’s chopping a lot now).
Hand 2:
Straddle pot, and MP (same villain from previous hand) makes it $35. He opens pretty tight pre, and has a large limp/calling range. BTN flats, I have AsAc in the BB and make it $110. MP calls pretty fast - at first I didn’t notice his black chip go into the pot. BTN (who starts hand with like $300) tanks forever and folds. We are still like $900 deep or so with MP.
Flop ($250) JJ6shh
I bet $150, and MP pretty quickly calls. We now have ~$750 back.
Turn ($550) Ah
I check, and MP checks it back. I just felt like my range was way too strong to bet here, particularly when I effectively have the un-counterfeitable nuts.
River ($550) Qc
I bet $345.
Hand 1:
I straddle to $10, there’s 3 limps, and I have AKo, and make it $60. One caller only. He limp calls a big range pre, and raises tight.
Flop ($140) AJ2r
I decide to check, mostly because it’s so dry. He checks it back.
Turn ($140) Qc brings BDFD
I bet $90, expecting to be ahead a ton of the time, plus there’s some draws now. He calls pretty fast.
River ($320) 2o
I bet $275, hoping to look extremely polarized, and get looked up by every Ax (that thinks it’s chopping a lot now).
He tanks and calls with an unknown hand.
Hand 2:
Straddle pot, and MP (same villain from previous hand) makes it $35. He opens pretty tight pre, and has a large limp/calling range. BTN flats, I have AsAc in the BB and make it $110. MP calls pretty fast - at first I didn’t notice his black chip go into the pot. BTN (who starts hand with like $300) tanks forever and folds. We are still like $900 deep or so with MP.
Flop ($250) JJ6shh
I bet $150, and MP pretty quickly calls. We now have ~$750 back.
Turn ($550) Ah
I check, and MP checks it back. I just felt like my range was way too strong to bet here, particularly when I effectively have the un-counterfeitable nuts.
River ($550) Qc
I bet $345.
Mr Sandbag
Legend
Silver Level
Hand 1 - I think I prefer betting the flop/3 streets. People tend to not give much credit to big raises from the straddle and are more likely to perceive a much wider range and more bluffs than you actually have. I'd prefer the flop check if you had raised in MP over a couple limpers or something where your perceived range could be much stronger, but even so in a live low stakes setting I'm probably just betting since Jx or worse probably aren't giving us more than a street of value most of the time anyway without improving. As played I'm fine with turn and river.
Hand 2 - So I had this whole paragraph written up about how we should bet turn because Jx and flushes will call anyway and bloat the pot for a nice river bet, but then I went back to preflop. MP's opening range is tight, so I'm not even sure he can have many Jx or flushes on the turn if at all. He's more likely to limp/call or open/fold KJ/QJ/JT preflop, and probably isn't calling a 3b a huge amount of time with AJ (irrelevant since we are stacking AJ on the river anyway). Given that the turn is Ah, there is really only one reasonable flush combo (KQhh), so MP's range is actually way more PP heavy than I had originally thought.
So yeah, checking turn does seem like the best way to go. We're only going to get one street of value from KK/QQ, but I think we can get a bit more by checking and betting river. There is also the added benefit of letting MP draw to a full house.
Hand 2 - So I had this whole paragraph written up about how we should bet turn because Jx and flushes will call anyway and bloat the pot for a nice river bet, but then I went back to preflop. MP's opening range is tight, so I'm not even sure he can have many Jx or flushes on the turn if at all. He's more likely to limp/call or open/fold KJ/QJ/JT preflop, and probably isn't calling a 3b a huge amount of time with AJ (irrelevant since we are stacking AJ on the river anyway). Given that the turn is Ah, there is really only one reasonable flush combo (KQhh), so MP's range is actually way more PP heavy than I had originally thought.
So yeah, checking turn does seem like the best way to go. We're only going to get one street of value from KK/QQ, but I think we can get a bit more by checking and betting river. There is also the added benefit of letting MP draw to a full house.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Does "cb" here mean check back? We're OOP which is why I'm struggling here. I see what you mean about our range, but is that assuming that I cbet all my bluffs OTF? I don't think I necessarily do against this player, but I also have no clue what level he's on...
What do we get called on the turn by though? He's really, really tight opening pre. Like probably 77+, AJ+, KQ, KJ? And seems to be folding a decent amount to 3b's. Just feel like he's super PP heavy, and the ace is a horrendous card for his whole range, and a decent card for mine.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Hand 1 if he limp calls wide I don't like giving a free card to all the Broadway combos that he could have here, most of which have least a gutter or pair and bdsd KQ KJ KT QJ JT. If he has an A he's going to call at least twice.
I just think I want to extract straight away.
Either way it's tough to get 3 streets here so I'm checking one street somewhere I'd just rather make that check later in the hand so we have charged his weak draws and not given him the free shot. I wouldn't be surprised if you were beat by KT here.
I just think I want to extract straight away.
Either way it's tough to get 3 streets here so I'm checking one street somewhere I'd just rather make that check later in the hand so we have charged his weak draws and not given him the free shot. I wouldn't be surprised if you were beat by KT here.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
Hand 2 if he's a tight opener then I'd make it bigger preflop especially if you have been raising pre a fair amount. With the button in there as well I'd make it at least $140 maybe more.
I like the rest of the hand and I like the turn check here to let him catch up.
I like the rest of the hand and I like the turn check here to let him catch up.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Wait, he has a wide range, but we bet once, he calls, and suddenly he's super likely to have the near nuts??
I get what you are saying about the flop, but I don't get your reasoning on the KT bit if his range is wide. Feels like a biased response, but I didn't even say I lost the hand.
Figaroo2
Legend
Bronze Level
No? I don't know how you got that impression, I just don't like giving free cards on a double broadway flop when I have top pair. Giving free cards is just bad strategy (Theory of poker chapter 10) and yet good players like you still do it.
There are a lot of unblocked combos of hands like KT which is why I mentioned it and why I wouldn't want to give a combo like this a free shot at outdrawing me for nothing.
I noted you wrote called by an unknown hand so presumably you showed and he mucked unseen, so good result.
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Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
KT was the only hand you explicitly called out which was why I was surprised you didn't mention any of the other broadway combos. I probably read too much into that!
I've already come around to betting the flop in that hand, the only thing I was really saying is that once we've already checked the flop, and he checks it back, his range is still quite wide, and I wasn't super worried about being beat or running into the nuts, though it will definitely happen.
Also, the flop felt drier to me than maybe it should have at the time - I know there are gutshots but there's not really anything else going on. The Q is arguably actually one of the significantly worse cards in the deck in terms of changing my equity vs his range, but still not horrendous since his range is wide.
I was very happy to get called on the river.
I've already come around to betting the flop in that hand, the only thing I was really saying is that once we've already checked the flop, and he checks it back, his range is still quite wide, and I wasn't super worried about being beat or running into the nuts, though it will definitely happen.
Also, the flop felt drier to me than maybe it should have at the time - I know there are gutshots but there's not really anything else going on. The Q is arguably actually one of the significantly worse cards in the deck in terms of changing my equity vs his range, but still not horrendous since his range is wide.
I was very happy to get called on the river.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Had a brutal session at Poto last night. Definitely some big mistakes in there, but just got killed over and over in really annoying spots. For the most part I avoided my trademark bad river calls, but got it in a bit too light several times, both preflop and OTF. But I didn't get there any of those times, so running a decent amount below EV on those.
Also managed to lose several 70-30 spots for pretty sizable amounts. When all was said and done, -2.3k for the night, in a little over 4 hours. Cause, you know, I can either have a small winning session, or lose everything I brought with me.
Already sent hands out last night to Sand and another buddy of mine, so I probably won't bother here, but if I feel like reliving the pain maybe I will. Planning to go back tonight since I already had AirBnB booked for tonight.
I'll keep you posted - maybe I can book a win that's larger than my loss the previous session! Not holding my breath though.
Also managed to lose several 70-30 spots for pretty sizable amounts. When all was said and done, -2.3k for the night, in a little over 4 hours. Cause, you know, I can either have a small winning session, or lose everything I brought with me.
Already sent hands out last night to Sand and another buddy of mine, so I probably won't bother here, but if I feel like reliving the pain maybe I will. Planning to go back tonight since I already had AirBnB booked for tonight.
I'll keep you posted - maybe I can book a win that's larger than my loss the previous session! Not holding my breath though.
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kapos77
Rock Star
Silver Level
Well, scourge.
Sorry to hear that your not running like god. To be honest i dont know if anyone is running like god at the moment. You gotta maintain your cool and keep grinding.
If that means playing as low as 10NL. So be it.
Are you running below EV? Why do you think things arent working out for you?
Sorry to hear that your not running like god. To be honest i dont know if anyone is running like god at the moment. You gotta maintain your cool and keep grinding.
If that means playing as low as 10NL. So be it.
Are you running below EV? Why do you think things arent working out for you?
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
I might make this prettier later, but in the meantime I want to post this:
Straddle pot at 2/5 at poto, three limps to me in SB, I overlimp 88. Straddler makes it $30, which he does quite often from the straddle. Two calls to me, I call, BB calls. We go 5-way to the flop.
Flop ($150) T83hhs, checks to straddler who bets $55. Folds to me and I make it $165. He calls.
Turn ($480) Ac
I bet $290, and he shoves pretty quickly. The total is $1,155, so I need to call $865 to win $1,925.
Straddle pot at 2/5 at poto, three limps to me in SB, I overlimp 88. Straddler makes it $30, which he does quite often from the straddle. Two calls to me, I call, BB calls. We go 5-way to the flop.
Flop ($150) T83hhs, checks to straddler who bets $55. Folds to me and I make it $165. He calls.
Turn ($480) Ac
I bet $290, and he shoves pretty quickly. The total is $1,155, so I need to call $865 to win $1,925.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
I'm not even thinking twice and snap calling.
Honestly, I probably lead flop 5 way in a raised pot on a juicy board like that. I'm not really worried about picking up a single cbet as much as building w/a huge hand.
But yeah, f him if he flips AA. Definitely GII imo.
edit: I miss the pretty picture cards you use in posts too lol. Now that you posted it, I definitely miss seeing them in that hand.
Honestly, I probably lead flop 5 way in a raised pot on a juicy board like that. I'm not really worried about picking up a single cbet as much as building w/a huge hand.
But yeah, f him if he flips AA. Definitely GII imo.
edit: I miss the pretty picture cards you use in posts too lol. Now that you posted it, I definitely miss seeing them in that hand.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Was too late to edit the original but... BOOM:
Location: Potawatomi
Stakes: 2/5
Dynamics: Straddler has history of raising smallish over limpers from the straddle with a fairly diverse range.
Preflop: Three limps to me in the SB, I overlimp
, BB calls, and the straddler makes it $30. Two calls to me, I call, BB calls. We go 5-way to the flop.Flop ($150)
Checks to straddler who bets $55. Folds to me and I make it $165. He calls.
Turn ($480)
I bet $290, and he shoves pretty quickly. The total is $1,155, so I need to call $865 to win $1,925.
It's not like, a HUGE deal, but it just makes reading hands easier and more intuitive for sure.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
Yeah AT, A8 ( if he is loose), A3s, then all the mega draws both up and down. I'm never folding personally. If he turned a 2 outer on a super wet sick board, then who cares, f poker and just move on and reload
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Why don't you think bad rec player would flat TT here just because we're deep? I don't think he's "planning the hand" to determine how best to get stacks tbh. But even if he was, SPR is < 2.5 by the time we get to the turn.
Not saying I 100% agree, but some people who's live games I respect very much said that rec players are way more likely to flat top set than bottom set on this flop - they'd 3b flop with bottom set more. And the more TT he has, the harder and harder it is to find enough combos of other stuff.
On the combo draws bit, if he's just flatting flop with like, KQhh, is he really going to suddenly ship it in when I continue to show strength and he only has one card to come to hit his hand? He's bad but it's not like he thinks a flush draw and a gutter with one card to come is the eternal nuts, and by the turn it really doesn't look like I'd fold, right?
By A3s do you mean specifically A3hh? I suspect he doesn't even continue OTF with A8, and he might not raise it pre - almost certainly not if it's offsuit. I feel he's more likely to raise AT at least, but I think the question becomes, when he improves OTT but I'm still showing so much strength, would he just insta-ship it? Maybe, but it's hard to know. Not exactly a "common" spot.
This is fair. I was trying to make my size seem reasonable in case he didn't have something that could stand tons of pressure, and I figured the pot was gonna get bloated super fast anyway, so I didn't feel like I needed to break $200. But I agree going bigger makes sense since I think $180-190 gets called about as often as $165.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
Yeah A3s hh. If he raises straddle every time, it's possible he raises A8, although unlikely. I mean we can't fold third nuts (probably 2nd) on a super juicy board here IMO. He can have lots of Ax hh,like ajs+ and still a lot of QJ, KJ etc that has a guy shot/open ended + did with heaps of fold equity on a scare card
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
I think some do. Some think they're ahead with the A though. Counterfeit 108 or Tx. You have essentially the second nuts, so I'm guessing he flipped AA here but we can't fold. We might as well fold 88 pre if we are going to fold middle set on a super juicy board with two straight draws + a flush draw in a straddled pot. F him if he flips AA