Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

[Matt Vaughan]

33, x//r better on that flop, wet enough to not flat.

55, agree that board is pretty dry but still i think we can make a modest raise on flop some times because he is beting only half pot, also he is on utg meaning his stronger range so he will have JJ+/overcards pretty often here to be fine to raise, also people call more flop raises than turn raises as turn look stronger, turn is still dry only change the s8 draw with KQ that could call & AJ could call but also both can call on flop, but now JJ make a set so is the same, he is not folding here because his holding not because board is better to disguise our hand i think, so fine raise flop or turn.

A5, yeah just flat flop

AT, not sure, i mean i like flop size but you mention we are doing this to overcharge draws and also create an easier three-street gii. however by bloat flop and to let size on river be ok we are beting weaker on turn when board go so wet with now 2 FD and also more SD options so will prefeer overcharge draws here too or at least bet more, but then our size will be small on river, so i think prefer bet less on flop but bigger on turn because board turn huge wet. It works great to induce but other times is prizing draws on turn.

66 fine.
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33: Cool.

55. I don't think he's calling with overcards but point taken.

A5. Yup

AT. Yeah but how many backdoor flush draws does he have when we pot the flop? I'm not really worried about that particular outcome. Can we not just bet big on flop and still bigger OTT though? Since all his draws fold the river anyway?

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Then don't troll me when I'm commenting in other members threads for no reason? Simply scroll by and mind your own?



Anytime Boston > Anytime xo Ill even play cent limits just for you okay? Keep that in mind. thanks. :canabis: I wont post itt no more just saying, wanna call me out like that ? Then shush up and put me in my place. #Simple. GL take care.

Well I guess you have two options Scourrge:

1. Accept the challenge and play Bong HU with no real end game in mind, or...

2. Decline the challenge and continue to grind, study, etc. in an effort to improve your game and be productive with your time.



Decisions, decisions.

 

[BenjiHustle]

Why didn't I ever get a challenge? Is it because I don't play on Bro-vada? I'm so uncool. I wish I had a long bong.

 

[Logan2]

Why to bring back that again, he already decline, move on.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

P.S. I'm CC-famous: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/com...mber-month-interview-september-2014-a-250436/

 

[BenjiHustle]

Huzzah! More famous than an umbrella hat!

 

[Matt Vaughan]

SO much struggle posting this hand... Hopefully works this time:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 98 BB
BTN: 157.2 BB (VPIP: 30.27, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.92, hands: 15,572)
SB: 79.76 BB (VPIP: 33.27, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 4.58, Hands: 15,574)
BB: 80.88 BB (VPIP: 28.48, PFR: 5.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.34, Hands: 15,640)
UTG: 93.2 BB (VPIP: 24.33, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 4.43, Hands: 15,463)
MP: 103.08 BB (VPIP: 26.06, PFR: 14.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 15,627)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:diamond: J:heart:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 6:heart: K:diamond: 2:diamond:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 5.48 BB, SB calls 5.48 BB, fold

Turn: (19.96 BB, 2 players) T:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, SB raises to 24 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (67.96 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
SB bets 47.28 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 47.28 BB

SB shows 9:diamond: Q:diamond: (Straight Flush, King High) (Pre 40%, Flop 48%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks A:diamond: J:heart: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 60%, Flop 52%, Turn 14%)
BTN mucks 8:heart: 3:diamond: (Flush, King High)
BB mucks 9:spade: 9:club: (One Pair, Nines)
UTG mucks 2:heart: 7:club: (One Pair, Twos)
MP mucks 6:diamond: 2:spade: (Flush, King High)
SB wins 154.52 BB

 

[DunningKruger]

P.S. I'm CC-famous: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/com...mber-month-interview-september-2014-a-250436/

You look kinda like the guy from How To Train Your Dragon. I think his name is Hiccup. You probably get that a lot.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

You look kinda like the guy from How To Train Your Dragon. I think his name is Hiccup. You probably get that a lot.

No, actually, but I've been told I look like the guy from Ratatouille. I think his name is Linguini.

Appaz I only look like animated characters.

 

[BenjiHustle]

Sick cooler. I had a similar one today except it was 46cc vs. my A9cc and it hit 5c7c8c; we both flopped the apparent nuts. Who knew 46cc would be raising UTG+1?

Anywho, those Bovada HH's and being able to see all hands dealt is nice, eh? Too bad you can't connect the hands to a particular individual. When I played on Bovada before, I felt like I was able to pick up on the same person's habits sometimes. They may have just been very similar players, but it seemed like I had a few of the regs figured out. Do you try to connect players to playstyles that you've seen on Bovada prior?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Sick cooler. I had a similar one today except it was 46cc vs. my A9cc and it hit 5c7c8c; we both flopped the apparent nuts. Who knew 46cc would be raising UTG+1?

Anywho, those Bovada HH's and being able to see all hands dealt is nice, eh? Too bad you can't connect the hands to a particular individual. When I played on Bovada before, I felt like I was able to pick up on the same person's habits sometimes. They may have just been very similar players, but it seemed like I had a few of the regs figured out. Do you try to connect players to play styles that you've seen on Bovada prior?

Lol no. There are way too many players per pool to do that successfully. And tons of players play similarly - it's kind of the whole reason we bother learning about player archetypes.

Had a couple nice winning sessions, then a kind of frustrating end to session today. Guy had 3bet me twice in a row. I folded first time, 2nd time I had TT and flatted IP. Flop T98tt, he cbets, I raise, and he tanks basically down to the last of his action timer and jams. I obv snap but it feels obvious already he has QJ... I brick my million outs and end the session a very slight winner instead of a 2.5+ BI winner. Oh well I guess. Has to stop eventually - right?

 

[BenjiHustle]

It already did stop! You're doing great and it's not like this was a negative session.

 

[zEric7x]

I first thought you were really were going to talk about falling asleep ( I am way to literal). I wonder if somebody was so bored or tired that they really feel asleep while playing.

 

[BenjiHustle]

I first thought you were really were going to talk about falling asleep ( I am way to literal). I wonder if somebody was so bored or tired that they really feel asleep while playing.

Drugs and drink make it happen. You're from AZ. Ever been to Talking Stick Resort? I had a guy fall asleep damn near on top of me once. Think he was coming down off of meth.

 

[zEric7x]

I have been there once. It seemed nice.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I first thought you were really were going to talk about falling asleep ( I am way to literal). I wonder if somebody was so bored or tired that they really feel asleep while playing.

Drugs and drink make it happen. You're from AZ. Ever been to Talking Stick Resort? I had a guy fall asleep damn near on top of me once. Think he was coming down off of meth.

I have been there once. It seemed nice.

There seems to be some kind of disconnect here ^ ....

It already did stop! You're doing great and it's not like this was a negative session.

Yeah, well. I do feel like I've rounded a corner on this whole downswing thing. I'm playing better and on softer tables so if anything reasonable happens I'lll keep some semblance of a WIN-rate going.

 

[Logan2]

Lol no. There are way too many players per pool to do that successfully. And tons of players play similarly - it's kind of the whole reason we bother learning about player archetypes.

Had a couple nice winning sessions, then a kind of frustrating end to session today. Guy had 3bet me twice in a row. I folded first time, 2nd time I had TT and flatted IP. Flop T98tt, he cbets, I raise, and he tanks basically down to the last of his action timer and jams. I obv snap but it feels obvious already he has QJ... I brick my million outs and end the session a very slight winner instead of a 2.5+ BI winner. Oh well I guess. Has to stop eventually - right?

Last 4 months was losing and now have 3 sessions in a row not losing, come on man should be happy.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Last 4 months was losing and now have 3 sessions in a row not losing, come on man should be happy.

Yeah, well. I do feel like I've rounded a corner on this whole downswing thing. I'm playing better and on softer tables so if anything reasonable happens I'lll keep some semblance of a WIN-rate going.

Maybe you didn't read this part. ^

And I am happy. But reservedly so. I've been losing now for the last 15% of my ENTIRE time playing poker seriously. Yeah, I'm glad I had a few winning sessions, but it's still just poker. A winning session isn't something to write home about. Nor is three in a row. None of them particularly large.

These have been my first > $20 winning sessions in over a month, and I'm still down a fair bit since coming back to online, so forgive me for not being over-the-moon happy.

Plus, like I said before, I'm pleased but I'm trying to be realistic here. There's really no reason to think I'm going to go on a heater now. Winning a couple times does not = downswing over. So if I do keep losing I don't want the low to be even worse after I hit a temporary, artificial high. I'm keeping my sights low and my expectations reasonable.

I'm happy to win. But that doesn't erase 4 months of losing from my brain, and I don't think it would from anyone else's either. I don't know how to explain it except to say that anyone who has gone through it would get it.

 

[Logan2]

Was going to explain what i mean but then after read sound kind of harsh so i better drop it there
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[Matt Vaughan]

Not sure why it would be harsh unless you were going to tell me to suck it up or something. But okay lol.

Couple weird hands today, will try to remember to grab them and post them in a couple days.

 

[BenjiHustle]

I've been losing for less than a month and I'm damn near suicidal over it. Credit for grinding the way you do.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Meh. I mean it's pretty much all I could do.

But I'm going to try to implement some stuff into my grinding now. Most of this is stuff I've done in the past but fell out of practice with:


- Sessional focus: I've been doing this a couple times and it's been helpful.

- Meditation: Once or twice per day ideally, but at minimum once before playing

- Pre-session warm-up? Not sure on this one. I've always had trouble getting going with it in the past, but I think it could be helpful as I'm attempting to "get back to basics" and fundamental winning strategy more than improving my A game. Some ideas for pre-session warm-up include: reviewing my opening ranges and why I have them, going over 2-3 hand histories, watching 15-20 minutes of a strategy video (with no distractions), review sessional focus and think about why it's important, some kind of mental game warm-up.

- Mental game timer: This is something I actually suggested to a friend of mine who tends to jump stakes when he tilts. Basically, set a timer for every 20-30 minutes. I don't necessarily have to quit when it goes off, but I DO have to stop and take a moment to evaluate my mental game in the session. It's a reminder to be aware, but it's also a hard-stop in case I am starting to tilt. If I notice I'm getting toward bad tilt I will stop playing.


I welcome all thoughts on these and any further recommendations. But particularly curious if anyone has any ideas for pre-session warm-ups. It's something I was never really able to do consistently, and there's such a wide range of things I can do with it that I think I struggle to pick one. I guess I could have a list, and each session cater my warm-up choice to what I feel I need? So let me know guys.

 

[zEric7x]

I welcome all thoughts on these and any further recommendations.

I am using the recommendation from Jared Tendler. I go over my hand ranges, read my long term poker goals and read what he calls Injecting logic statements. They are just little tidbits that help explain tilt. I review what in poker I am currently learning and any mental issues I am dealing with.

Jared mentions the mental game timer in his book as well. It is worded almost exactly the same so maybe your friend got it from there?

 

[Logan2]

My warm up is pretty much come here (CC), browse on couple cash threads and look for hands posted, just to read how someone else will play a hand or how differently i will play a hand, that start the engine mind and then can go to play. Only issue is that some times found a interesting duscution and stay more time than should but sticking to the plan usually works.

The Mental game timer never read it before but i do tend to do that, i find really hard to play long sessions because get distracted really easy, so usually focus on 30 minutes sessions (not taking time) and then i know need to take a break for 10 minutes, i go to bathroom or take a snack or just stand up and walk away just to clear the mind, after that i get back and decide if still can focus another session or just review the session and play later.
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[Matt Vaughan]

I am using the recommendation from Jared Tendler. I go over my hand ranges, read my long term poker goals and read what he calls Injecting logic statements. They are just little tidbits that help explain tilt. I review what in poker I am currently learning and any mental issues I am dealing with.

Jared mentions the mental game timer in his book as well. It is worded almost exactly the same so maybe your friend got it from there?

I think you misread what I wrote - I suggested it TO my friend. Not the other way round =) And I've read the mental game of poker and watched some Tendler videos, but I haven't touched it in at least half a year or so? There's only so many ways to word it lol. Injecting logic is another thing I need to work on more and I guess using it as part of a warm up session would be good. Thanks for sharing!

My warm up is pretty much come here (CC), browse on couple cash threads and look for hands posted, just to read how someone else will play a hand or how differently i will play a hand, that start the engine mind and then can go to play. Only issue is that some times found a interesting duscution and stay more time than should but sticking to the plan usually works.

The Mental game timer never read it before but i do tend to do that, i find really hard to play long sessions because get distracted really easy, so usually focus on 30 minutes sessions (not taking time) and then i know need to take a break for 10 minutes, i go to bathroom or take a snack or just stand up and walk away just to clear the mind, after that i get back and decide if still can focus another session or just review the session and play later.
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Cool. Yeah I don't think it's going to be that helpful for me to scan CC before. I meant much more reviewing my own hands - find mistakes I know I tend to make more, which preps me to do better in those spots and avoid those mistakes. Thanks for input.