Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
Whaaaaat? :dontknow:
What's the difference, then? Seems like a bunch of set-mining, top-end-range-rovers on Zone, so why play if you can't get more volume? Wouldn't regular tables be better? I can play a maximum of probably 450-475 and I don't have to worry about running into the nuts every time that I have the second nuts. I just suck at this game is all.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
You do realize that despite some of my bad plays, I've run like trash, right?
It's not as though people in zone are ultra-nitty ffs. The reason I don't switch is because I still have people doing stuff like in my AA hand. That just doesn't happen nearly as much elsewhere. It's not like every situation in zone is literally a mega cooler.
It's not as though people in zone are ultra-nitty ffs. The reason I don't switch is because I still have people doing stuff like in my AA hand. That just doesn't happen nearly as much elsewhere. It's not like every situation in zone is literally a mega cooler.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah but even if tougher you got a lot of pros.
You can tag players/table select, and you can improve more if know who you are facing (hud) , vs a alltogether aproach vs anonimous.
For someone with your knowledge i think even if site is tougher you could have a bigger edge playing with a hud getting stats fast if small player pool knowing specific how to exploit villains vs play blind/anonimous.
Dont go there, i have months telling him switch to reg tables
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
It's not based on your experience, but a combination of your situation and, for example, Logan's experience with Zoom. Pretty much everyone in a Zoom/Zone/Rush game seems to only run into top-enders.
Again, speaking on the impressions that I've gotten from others, not personal experience. No opportunity for me to know better.
Again, speaking on the impressions that I've gotten from others, not personal experience. No opportunity for me to know better.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
tbf with Scourrge zone dont look that nity like zoom where avg vpip is usually under 20, if remember he mention avg is like 27-28vpip on zone, however on reg tables you can have 30-40 vpip tables with little work table selecting, and not only that, you actually can see who is the fish not been anonimous.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
No, because im not saying you going to run good in the other site, just changing the actual flow how running now, you could run worst or better, or BE, the difference is that could change something.
Well in theory yes but in reality no.
If ev have no memory and doesn't even out then if run bad today, by that logic means could run bad tomorrow, and then the next day and if everyday is a new day could run bad for eternity and never win again because there is no memory, and could have one million buyins underev, same the other way, i could run good for millions of hands and be millions bi above ev, but in reality this not happen, if this was true then poker was 100% luck and be just variance what at the end decide if we are winners or not.
By that logic no matter what Scourrge do or how good is he, there is a chance he never wins again, because ev not have memory, so if he have 4 months running bad there is a chance he run bad for next 5years. (dont be scare you going to run good in exactly 8 days
So why we even bother in study the game?, then is better to be lucky than be good no?.
yes its much better to be lucky than good, (and by lucky i mean be at the top of the probability curve.) as you will just win every hand you play, its feasible, just very very very unlikely. there is a chance any of us, or all of us, never win another poker hand in the next 1million hands, its small but its possible. \
what you are referring to is actually called reversion to the mean, its just a statistical trend, not a rule, plenty of samples won't display it. it is feasible (even reasonably likely to run under EV for an entire career, or vice versa)
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DunningKruger
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah it'd be anonymous for everyone over there wouldn't it, which as I think was mentioned helps the fish more than anyone else (of course what's good for the fish is ultimately going to be good for everyone else ). Admittedly I never really played much on Bovada/bodog. Being able to only open 4 tables at a time was a turn off. Also I never tried zone. I play a lot of rush poker though and some zoom and do quite well at it and I'm not going to agree with any kind of notion that these games are filled with nut peddlers and should be avoided or whatever. These games can be outright smashed and I'm sure zone is the same way, although the lack of table selection and that they're tougher than regular tables at equivalent stakes are valid points.
). Admittedly I never really played much on Bovada/bodog. Being able to only open 4 tables at a time was a turn off. Also I never tried zone. I play a lot of rush poker though and some zoom and do quite well at it and I'm not going to agree with any kind of notion that these games are filled with nut peddlers and should be avoided or whatever. These games can be outright smashed and I'm sure zone is the same way, although the lack of table selection and that they're tougher than regular tables at equivalent stakes are valid points.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
I've definitely considered switching to normal tables on Bovada, but it's a huge turnoff to be playing only 250-300 hands/hour. My ideal hands/hour is probably about 600, but we don't get time banks in Zone, so the 500/hr with no timebank is probably about right.
Thing about regular tables though is it that it combines all benefits of anonymity: fish won't get reads cause they don't pay attention (and what would they even do with reads), we can still identify other regs and react accordingly, and the fish:reg ratio is larger.
But UGH < 300 hands/hr really does suck.
Thing about regular tables though is it that it combines all benefits of anonymity: fish won't get reads cause they don't pay attention (and what would they even do with reads), we can still identify other regs and react accordingly, and the fish:reg ratio is larger.
But UGH < 300 hands/hr really does suck.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
4-tabled Bovada 25nl regular tables for a few hours tonight and booked a ~$68 win in roughly 700 hands. Not exactly something to write home about, but damn is it a relief to book a win > $20.
Was looking at my calendar stats and of the 23 days I'd played since coming back, only 6 of them were winners. Of the 6 winners, only 3 of them were > $15 lol. So it's nice to get a little wiggle room. Plus the regular tables were just comically bad. I obviously ran good to win at ~38bb/100, but I think I'm going to stick with regular tables for now. Just too soft to avoid, and being able to use a HUD is kind of a load off my mind.
Was looking at my calendar stats and of the 23 days I'd played since coming back, only 6 of them were winners. Of the 6 winners, only 3 of them were > $15 lol. So it's nice to get a little wiggle room. Plus the regular tables were just comically bad. I obviously ran good to win at ~38bb/100, but I think I'm going to stick with regular tables for now. Just too soft to avoid, and being able to use a HUD is kind of a load off my mind.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Thanks guys. <3
I mean it's kind of funny, because I guess I was imagining some sort of explosive win where it's like "HEY YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR DOWNSWING DUDE." But obv this is poker and it doesn't necessarily work like that haha. And for all we know I COULD just start losing again. It doesn't feel like it though.
Really the session was kind of uneventful. Like I ran good in terms of making hands, and also ran into 3 or 4 barrel spots, and had a high success rate, but nothing particularly interesting happened. I ran at 38bb/100 but I guess what I'm saying is it was all kind of standard. Nothing spectacular. But that felt pretty good tbh. To play solid, win a few buyins, and not really have anything too crazy happen (good or bad).
Had only one or two spots where I was very unsure of my best line, so I'll try to post them tomorrow before they fall off my radar. For now though, here's a few hands I had promised earlier:
Do we like a flat or x/r? I felt that after the bet and call I'm almost always facing at least one strong Kx or FD that won't fold so I went for a smallish raise.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 138.28 BB (VPIP: 30.08, PFR: 14.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 4,973)
Hero (SB): 334 BB
BB: 106.56 BB (VPIP: 28.72, PFR: 5.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.14, Hands: 5,007)
UTG: 125.32 BB (VPIP: 24.57, PFR: 13.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 4,946)
MP: 37.8 BB (VPIP: 26.61, PFR: 14.62, 3Bet Preflop: 3.62, Hands: 4,995)
CO: 88.6 BB (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 14.69, 3Bet Preflop: 3.20, Hands: 4,994)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3:club: 3:spade:
fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 0.6 BB, BB raises to 5 BB, MP calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB
Flop: (20 BB, 4 players) 5:diamond: K:heart: 3:heart:
Hero checks, BB bets 11.92 BB, MP calls 11.92 BB, fold, Hero raises to 35.84 BB, BB raises to 101.56 BB and is all-in, MP calls 20.88 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65.72 BB
Turn: (255.92 BB, 3 players) J:diamond:
River: (255.92 BB, 3 players) K:spade:
Hero shows 3:club: 3:spade: (Full House, Threes full of Kings)
Main Pot [118.4 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 77%, Turn 90%)
Side Pot#1 [137.52 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
BB shows A:diamond: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
Main Pot [118.4 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [137.52 BB]: (Pre 81%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
MP shows T:heart: T:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
Main Pot [118.4 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 247.92 BB
Another set spot here. Where do you think I should put a raise in? I decided on the turn just because I felt it was a pretty good card for his range, and the flop was so dry I felt I would get far too many folds. Plus by raising turn I can jam rivers for just a little over pot.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 217.72 BB
UTG: 133.16 BB (VPIP: 24.77, PFR: 14.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.56, Hands: 5,502)
MP: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 26.33, PFR: 14.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 5,546)
CO: 105.32 BB (VPIP: 27.83, PFR: 14.72, 3Bet Preflop: 3.07, Hands: 5,548)
BTN: 240.32 BB (VPIP: 29.87, PFR: 14.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.64, Hands: 5,524)
SB: 84 BB (VPIP: 34.05, PFR: 9.42, 3Bet Preflop: 4.78, Hands: 5,501)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5:club: 5:heart:
UTG raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB
Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: 5:spade: T:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB
Turn: (16.4 BB, 2 players) J:club:
Hero checks, UTG bets 9.6 BB, Hero raises to 34.56 BB, UTG calls 24.96 BB
River: (85.52 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:
Hero bets 102.84 BB, UTG calls 90.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows 5:club: 5:heart: (Full House, Fives full of Sevens) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
UTG mucks A:heart: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 258.72 BB
This is obv terribad, but I'm not sure what to do. I guess just flat flop? Also one of the few times I legit sucked out hardcore lol.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: 198.04 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 14.92, 3Bet Preflop: 3.27, Hands: 5,951)
BTN: 98.84 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 5,941)
SB: 147.08 BB (VPIP: 33.87, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 5,908)
Hero (BB): 106.04 BB
UTG: 117.36 BB (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 14.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.53, Hands: 5,911)
MP: 118.76 BB (VPIP: 26.50, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 3.36, Hands: 5,969)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: 5:heart:
UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 5.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.4 BB, UTG calls 4.4 BB
Flop: (22 BB, 4 players) J:heart: 8:heart: J:club:
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB, Hero raises to 100.64 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, BTN calls 79.44 BB and is all-in
Turn: (222.88 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
River: (222.88 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
BTN shows 8:diamond: 8:spade: (Full House, Jacks full of Eights) (Pre 66%, Flop 99%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows A:heart: 5:heart: (Full House, Jacks full of Aces) (Pre 34%, Flop 1%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 214.88 BB
Do we like flop sizing? I was surprised when I saw it looking back, but I think I was trying to both overcharge draws and also create an easier three-street gii. People tend to be more willing to call marginal overbets on earlier streets in my experience, so I wanted to bloat the pot.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 107.24 BB (VPIP: 29.85, PFR: 15.99, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 11,988)
SB: 68.76 BB (VPIP: 32.88, PFR: 9.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.83, Hands: 11,967)
Hero (BB): 142.48 BB
UTG: 127.68 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 11,924)
MP: 114.52 BB (VPIP: 25.69, PFR: 14.53, 3Bet Preflop: 3.02, Hands: 12,026)
CO: 62.12 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 15.26, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 11,964)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:spade: A:spade:
fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 0.6 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, MP calls 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB
Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) T:diamond: A:heart: 9:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, MP calls 18 BB, fold
Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero bets 35.48 BB, MP raises to 91.52 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56.04 BB
River: (234.04 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero shows T:spade: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 29%, Flop 84%, Turn 93%)
MP shows A:club: K:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 71%, Flop 16%, Turn 7%)
Hero wins 226.04 BB
Not much to say here, just had forgotten this hand happened - now I'm getting flashbacks
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 268.48 BB (VPIP: 28.48, PFR: 5.66, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 9,697)
UTG: 170.6 BB (VPIP: 24.23, PFR: 14.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.66, Hands: 9,602)
MP: 99 BB (VPIP: 26.23, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 3.11, Hands: 9,690)
Hero (CO): 191.52 BB
BTN: 64.76 BB (VPIP: 30.08, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.83, Hands: 9,640)
SB: 108.16 BB (VPIP: 33.35, PFR: 9.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.73, Hands: 9,624)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:heart:
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 13 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, fold
Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) 6:club: 4:diamond: T:club:
BB bets 22 BB, Hero raises to 52 BB, BB raises to 255.48 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 126.52 BB and is all-in
Turn: (386.04 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
River: (386.04 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
BB shows Q:heart: Q:club: (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 81%, Flop 13%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows 6:diamond: 6:heart: (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 87%, Turn 2%)
BB wins 378.04 BB
Thoughts on his gii range here? I figure he's basically never folding TT+ so it seemed like a snap 4b jam on a wet board.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BTN): 150.56 BB
SB: 101.68 BB (VPIP: 33.28, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 14,801)
BB: 161.96 BB (VPIP: 28.40, PFR: 5.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.37, Hands: 14,856)
UTG: 186.24 BB (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 14.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.34, Hands: 14,702)
MP: 56.96 BB (VPIP: 26.02, PFR: 14.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 14,828)
CO: 138.88 BB (VPIP: 27.47, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 14,719)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4:diamond: 5:diamond:
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB
Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 2:heart: 5:heart: 4:club:
BB checks, UTG bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 18.2 BB, fold, UTG raises to 55 BB, Hero raises to 147.56 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 92.56 BB
Turn: (304.52 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
River: (304.52 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
Hero shows 4:diamond: 5:diamond: (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 21%, Flop 60%, Turn 73%)
UTG shows A:heart: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 79%, Flop 40%, Turn 27%)
UTG wins 296.52 BB
I mean it's kind of funny, because I guess I was imagining some sort of explosive win where it's like "HEY YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR DOWNSWING DUDE." But obv this is poker and it doesn't necessarily work like that haha. And for all we know I COULD just start losing again. It doesn't feel like it though.
Really the session was kind of uneventful. Like I ran good in terms of making hands, and also ran into 3 or 4 barrel spots, and had a high success rate, but nothing particularly interesting happened. I ran at 38bb/100 but I guess what I'm saying is it was all kind of standard. Nothing spectacular. But that felt pretty good tbh. To play solid, win a few buyins, and not really have anything too crazy happen (good or bad).
Had only one or two spots where I was very unsure of my best line, so I'll try to post them tomorrow before they fall off my radar. For now though, here's a few hands I had promised earlier:
Do we like a flat or x/r? I felt that after the bet and call I'm almost always facing at least one strong Kx or FD that won't fold so I went for a smallish raise.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 138.28 BB (VPIP: 30.08, PFR: 14.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 4,973)
Hero (SB): 334 BB
BB: 106.56 BB (VPIP: 28.72, PFR: 5.64, 3Bet Preflop: 4.14, Hands: 5,007)
UTG: 125.32 BB (VPIP: 24.57, PFR: 13.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 4,946)
MP: 37.8 BB (VPIP: 26.61, PFR: 14.62, 3Bet Preflop: 3.62, Hands: 4,995)
CO: 88.6 BB (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 14.69, 3Bet Preflop: 3.20, Hands: 4,994)
Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3:club: 3:spade:
fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero calls 0.6 BB, BB raises to 5 BB, MP calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB
Flop: (20 BB, 4 players) 5:diamond: K:heart: 3:heart:
Hero checks, BB bets 11.92 BB, MP calls 11.92 BB, fold, Hero raises to 35.84 BB, BB raises to 101.56 BB and is all-in, MP calls 20.88 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65.72 BB
Turn: (255.92 BB, 3 players) J:diamond:
River: (255.92 BB, 3 players) K:spade:
Hero shows 3:club: 3:spade: (Full House, Threes full of Kings)
Main Pot [118.4 BB]: (Pre 17%, Flop 77%, Turn 90%)
Side Pot#1 [137.52 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
BB shows A:diamond: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
Main Pot [118.4 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [137.52 BB]: (Pre 81%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
MP shows T:heart: T:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Tens)
Main Pot [118.4 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 247.92 BB
Another set spot here. Where do you think I should put a raise in? I decided on the turn just because I felt it was a pretty good card for his range, and the flop was so dry I felt I would get far too many folds. Plus by raising turn I can jam rivers for just a little over pot.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 217.72 BB
UTG: 133.16 BB (VPIP: 24.77, PFR: 14.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.56, Hands: 5,502)
MP: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 26.33, PFR: 14.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 5,546)
CO: 105.32 BB (VPIP: 27.83, PFR: 14.72, 3Bet Preflop: 3.07, Hands: 5,548)
BTN: 240.32 BB (VPIP: 29.87, PFR: 14.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.64, Hands: 5,524)
SB: 84 BB (VPIP: 34.05, PFR: 9.42, 3Bet Preflop: 4.78, Hands: 5,501)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5:club: 5:heart:
UTG raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB
Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) 7:heart: 5:spade: T:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB
Turn: (16.4 BB, 2 players) J:club:
Hero checks, UTG bets 9.6 BB, Hero raises to 34.56 BB, UTG calls 24.96 BB
River: (85.52 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:
Hero bets 102.84 BB, UTG calls 90.6 BB and is all-in
Hero shows 5:club: 5:heart: (Full House, Fives full of Sevens) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
UTG mucks A:heart: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 258.72 BB
This is obv terribad, but I'm not sure what to do. I guess just flat flop? Also one of the few times I legit sucked out hardcore lol.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: 198.04 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 14.92, 3Bet Preflop: 3.27, Hands: 5,951)
BTN: 98.84 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 5,941)
SB: 147.08 BB (VPIP: 33.87, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 5,908)
Hero (BB): 106.04 BB
UTG: 117.36 BB (VPIP: 24.73, PFR: 14.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.53, Hands: 5,911)
MP: 118.76 BB (VPIP: 26.50, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 3.36, Hands: 5,969)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: 5:heart:
UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 5.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 5.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.4 BB, UTG calls 4.4 BB
Flop: (22 BB, 4 players) J:heart: 8:heart: J:club:
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB, Hero raises to 100.64 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, BTN calls 79.44 BB and is all-in
Turn: (222.88 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
River: (222.88 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
BTN shows 8:diamond: 8:spade: (Full House, Jacks full of Eights) (Pre 66%, Flop 99%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows A:heart: 5:heart: (Full House, Jacks full of Aces) (Pre 34%, Flop 1%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 214.88 BB
Do we like flop sizing? I was surprised when I saw it looking back, but I think I was trying to both overcharge draws and also create an easier three-street gii. People tend to be more willing to call marginal overbets on earlier streets in my experience, so I wanted to bloat the pot.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 107.24 BB (VPIP: 29.85, PFR: 15.99, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 11,988)
SB: 68.76 BB (VPIP: 32.88, PFR: 9.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.83, Hands: 11,967)
Hero (BB): 142.48 BB
UTG: 127.68 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 11,924)
MP: 114.52 BB (VPIP: 25.69, PFR: 14.53, 3Bet Preflop: 3.02, Hands: 12,026)
CO: 62.12 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 15.26, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 11,964)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:spade: A:spade:
fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 0.6 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, MP calls 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB
Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) T:diamond: A:heart: 9:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, MP calls 18 BB, fold
Turn: (51 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero bets 35.48 BB, MP raises to 91.52 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56.04 BB
River: (234.04 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero shows T:spade: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 29%, Flop 84%, Turn 93%)
MP shows A:club: K:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 71%, Flop 16%, Turn 7%)
Hero wins 226.04 BB
Not much to say here, just had forgotten this hand happened - now I'm getting flashbacks
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 268.48 BB (VPIP: 28.48, PFR: 5.66, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 9,697)
UTG: 170.6 BB (VPIP: 24.23, PFR: 14.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.66, Hands: 9,602)
MP: 99 BB (VPIP: 26.23, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 3.11, Hands: 9,690)
Hero (CO): 191.52 BB
BTN: 64.76 BB (VPIP: 30.08, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.83, Hands: 9,640)
SB: 108.16 BB (VPIP: 33.35, PFR: 9.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.73, Hands: 9,624)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:heart:
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 13 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, fold
Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) 6:club: 4:diamond: T:club:
BB bets 22 BB, Hero raises to 52 BB, BB raises to 255.48 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 126.52 BB and is all-in
Turn: (386.04 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
River: (386.04 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
BB shows Q:heart: Q:club: (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 81%, Flop 13%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows 6:diamond: 6:heart: (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 87%, Turn 2%)
BB wins 378.04 BB
Thoughts on his gii range here? I figure he's basically never folding TT+ so it seemed like a snap 4b jam on a wet board.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BTN): 150.56 BB
SB: 101.68 BB (VPIP: 33.28, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 14,801)
BB: 161.96 BB (VPIP: 28.40, PFR: 5.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.37, Hands: 14,856)
UTG: 186.24 BB (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 14.45, 3Bet Preflop: 4.34, Hands: 14,702)
MP: 56.96 BB (VPIP: 26.02, PFR: 14.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.37, Hands: 14,828)
CO: 138.88 BB (VPIP: 27.47, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 14,719)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4:diamond: 5:diamond:
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB
Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 2:heart: 5:heart: 4:club:
BB checks, UTG bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 18.2 BB, fold, UTG raises to 55 BB, Hero raises to 147.56 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 92.56 BB
Turn: (304.52 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
River: (304.52 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
Hero shows 4:diamond: 5:diamond: (Two Pair, Queens and Fives) (Pre 21%, Flop 60%, Turn 73%)
UTG shows A:heart: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 79%, Flop 40%, Turn 27%)
UTG wins 296.52 BB
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
I looked at your hands and not only didn't have constructive input, but it made me question how I'm playing. You played pretty flawlessly as I see it; though I'm sure our more experienced/more intelligent players will be able to give you something to think about, I'm learning from you at this point.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
33, x//r better on that flop, wet enough to not flat.
55, agree that board is pretty dry but still i think we can make a modest raise on flop some times because he is beting only half pot, also he is on utg meaning his stronger range so he will have JJ+/overcards pretty often here to be fine to raise, also people call more flop raises than turn raises as turn look stronger, turn is still dry only change the s8 draw with KQ that could call & AJ could call but also both can call on flop, but now JJ make a set so is the same, he is not folding here because his holding not because board is better to disguise our hand i think, so fine raise flop or turn.
A5, yeah just flat flop
AT, not sure, i mean i like flop size but you mention we are doing this to overcharge draws and also create an easier three-street gii. however by bloat flop and to let size on river be ok we are beting weaker on turn when board go so wet with now 2 FD and also more SD options so will prefeer overcharge draws here too or at least bet more, but then our size will be small on river, so i think prefer bet less on flop but bigger on turn because board turn huge wet. It works great to induce but other times is prizing draws on turn.
66 fine.
55, agree that board is pretty dry but still i think we can make a modest raise on flop some times because he is beting only half pot, also he is on utg meaning his stronger range so he will have JJ+/overcards pretty often here to be fine to raise, also people call more flop raises than turn raises as turn look stronger, turn is still dry only change the s8 draw with KQ that could call & AJ could call but also both can call on flop, but now JJ make a set so is the same, he is not folding here because his holding not because board is better to disguise our hand i think, so fine raise flop or turn.
A5, yeah just flat flop
AT, not sure, i mean i like flop size but you mention we are doing this to overcharge draws and also create an easier three-street gii. however by bloat flop and to let size on river be ok we are beting weaker on turn when board go so wet with now 2 FD and also more SD options so will prefeer overcharge draws here too or at least bet more, but then our size will be small on river, so i think prefer bet less on flop but bigger on turn because board turn huge wet. It works great to induce but other times is prizing draws on turn.
66 fine.
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long_bong
Legend
Silver Level
long_bong
Legend
Silver Level
Then don't troll me when I'm commenting in other members threads for no reason? Simply scroll by and mind your own?
Anytime Boston > Anytime xo
Ill even play cent limits just for you okay? Keep that in mind. thanks. :canabis: I wont post itt no more just saying, wanna call me out like that ? Then shush up and put me in my place. #Simple. GL take care.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Then don't troll me when I'm commenting in other members threads for no reason? Simply scroll by and mind your own?
Anytime Boston > Anytime xo
Literally everyone in micro's thread said you were wrong, but I'm the one trolling? Ok.
See your own HU thread man - you've blown off everyone who wanted to play you HU. I'm not getting pulled into that complete waste of time when I have no desire to play you to begin with.