Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

[Matt Vaughan]

Everyone hitting sets, s8, flushes and geting coolered and feeling geting on everyone top range is a every day feeling on "fast poker".

Make a experiment and just play a couple sessions on reg tables and tell us if keep running the same, it can't be worst and could make your life easy.
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I'm sorry, but no. I don't know why you can't accept that zoom and zone are different, but I promise you they aren't the same thing.

And when I say it FEELS like I'm getting coolered I literally mean, in the luck bell curve, villains from EVERY position are hitting more of those hands statistically than they "should be." It's not just a feeling, I have evidence that this is what's happening so far. Not in a "rigged" way, just in a "smallish sample they're running hotter than me way."

 

[Logan2]

I'm sorry, but no. I don't know why you can't accept that zoom and zone are different, but I promise you they aren't the same thing.

And when I say it FEELS like I'm getting coolered I literally mean, in the luck bell curve, villains from EVERY position are hitting more of those hands statistically than they "should be." It's not just a feeling, I have evidence that this is what's happening so far. Not in a "rigged" way, just in a "smallish sample they're running hotter than me way."

Because i keep reading everyone else saying is the same (But worst because anonimity)

This are quotes from players on same subject about zone. You can read a ton of threads about zone on 2+2.

Hi, if anyone has played on Bovada they are aware of their Zone Poker tables. Which are exactly like Zoom poker on pokerstars but everyone is anonymous. I am trying to find an optimal strategy to playing these types of games and figure it is probably a bit different since the player pool is anonymous. So far they run 25 NL, 50 NL and 100 NL on it, all being 6 max.So my question is what does everyone think the most optimal strategy for this game is? What should my opening ranges be? And any other input.

Ive been toying around on these low stakes tables for a little while now (maybe a few weeks) and Ive noticed that people are "quick folding" the bb & sb with their trash hands too much i.e. not defending properly against btn and sb steals. so I just open 100% of my range from btn and sb and its definitely profitable.

i think these games play much tighter preflop than regular 6 max tables and people DONT get out of line very often preflop at all. that being said, when standard steal situations present themselves you yourself can get out of line with a 3b to resteal from the blinds as the 3bets are getting ridiculous respect (as they should, since almost nobody is 3b light).
Since you are anonymous: showdowns mean nothing, there is very little or no meta game, no dynamic development. There's no reason to ever look someone up light for info. as the info. is meaningless when not attached to a screen name. Its even useless to pop up the hand replayer to see what a losing villain hand was at showdown. Why would you care?

I would think the optimal way to play these tables is some kind of weird, non-standard, weak tight, trappy style at the 100NL tables and just regular tight aggressive at the 25NL tables. You'll see many more "standard" tags at 100NL and more fish at 25NL.

these type of games seem genuinely terrible for the long term prospects of poker. The game structure encourages good players to gradually drift towards a more GTO strategy, and of course as certain portions of the player pool drift towards that strategy their will be counter adjustments, and then counter-counter adjustments etc. But over time as poor players are knocked out and good players continue to evolve you'll end up with a bunch of players getting closer to GTO just passing around chips while the house rakes them to death.
The aspects of poker that makes it most enticing for casual and losing players are lost in this format, and the long term prospect for the game looks dim. I understand why these adjustments are being made by sites in the short term (eliminates issues with table camping and reg-fish abuse, speeds up game time and allows thew to rake more while also lowering win-rates and reinforcing correctly tight play for non-regulars). But the long term results seems to be the slow bleeding death of online poker.

it just seems sad.

I played on those tables at the beginning of this month and imo they are a waste, you can get in a lot of volume but compared to the regular tables they are just way too tight. I looked into my db to try and see how guys were playing (gotta love being able to see all the hole cards) and the majority of the players are nits! Sure there are big fish around and they do make some horrendous plays and spaz shoves but you have no idea who they are until after the hand is over and then they are gone to disappear back into the anonymous player pool. So, imo, if you are sure you want to play zone treat everyone as a nit. I looked through my db (it was only ~28k hands) and filtered for triple barrel spots - when that 3rd barrel gets fired it is 75% top pair or better w/ ~60% of the 75% being 2 pair+. I believe that to be fairly accurate because you don't get the SD bias that you get on other sites when doing a db review like this. I went back to regular tables and play way less hands a day but actually make more hourly. Take this w/ a grain of salt - I was playing bad and tilting during that period too. But thats why I did the db review and I came to the conclusion that it is just not worth having zero reads at all when I can play regular tables - spot a fish rather quickly and play accordingly. Good Luck.

Take a very basic, very abc approach and you should do very well. I'm crushing zone 25NL currently by playing tighter than a nuns ass OOP and 3 and 4 betting value hands in position, not overplaying top pair and draws, and value towning great hands. I rarely bluff or bluff catch for large amounts since you don't have reads. Playing a tight, basic style is very profitable in zone, but you will have some insane negative variance based off the number of hands youre playing.

Since June 1st I've probably logged over 100k hands at 25NL zone and have averaged a 4.9bb/100. I feel I can get it higher.

So sure can be beatable, but sorry man to me still look like zoom hudless, even the WR looks similar.

This is last time i bring the zoom/zone topic though, up to you, really wish you the best.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying because of my wording.

The mechanics of the gameplay are very, VERY similar yes. But the softness and style of play from people is ridiculously different.

Here are the average VPIP/PFR stats from each position:

UG: 24/14
MP: 26/15
CO: 27/15
BU: 30/16
SB: 33/10
BB: 28/6

Plus I don't see how you can say that the win-rates "look similar" based on one person's posting? I only had about 50k hands at 25nl but I was beating it for 15bb/100. Obv was running hot, but still, looking at one guy that posts he had winrate X doesn't really say anything about whether it's soft or not.

Saying "sure it can be beatable" implies that it's tough. This game is not tough. Refer back to the stats lol. And it's not tight - it's just a little bit tighter than the regular tables.

I don't want to sound like I'm mad at you Logan, cause I'm not It's just frustrating because the way you were saying things made me feel like you didn't think I was capable of beating that game. A game I absolutely crushed last year. I admit that my head is totally screwed on funny, and so most of that miscommunication was my fault.

 

[Logan2]

Just to be clear, i never think or sugest you are not capable of beat Zone, actually is the other way. At least for me duggs and you are two of the best players on the forum, was only trying to give you some idea to bring you out of the hole, aside of personal life you sound like having a hard time for several weeks now, not enjoying much poker, always mentioning busto or how bad keep running, you already moved down, so reason to keep mentioning reg tables was not because think you can't beat zone but because reg tables are easier and have less variance, and could give you a break and maybe bring you back to a better state of mind, and if see things running fine again can switch back to zone any time.

About the way were saying things, i apologies for that if make you think something different, i struggle a lot with what wrote and what i mean to write been english not my first language, a ton of times a try to say something and only realize what i actually wrote after people jump mad and most of the time don't have a clue why.

So, no biggie man, really hope you are back on track soon.


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[Matt Vaughan]

Yeah, that's why I feel bad about it Logan - I know english isn't your first language, and I knew I was probably misunderstanding. It was just my own underlying frustration coming out.

I really appreciate your taking the energy to be active in the thread, especially when I've been such a depressing mental case lately. Hopefully I can stop being such a nut job soon and just get back to enjoying poker.

Thanks again.


For funsies, here's a hand I completely butchered. Sick part is that he tanked the river.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 56.48 BB (VPIP: 28.18, PFR: 5.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.37, Hands: 10,897)
UTG: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 14.59, 3Bet Preflop: 4.32, Hands: 10,792)
MP: 106.72 BB (VPIP: 25.90, PFR: 14.54, 3Bet Preflop: 3.04, Hands: 10,894)
Hero (CO): 238.2 BB
BTN: 26.44 BB (VPIP: 30.13, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.05, Hands: 10,838)
SB: 97.32 BB (VPIP: 33.21, PFR: 9.95, 3Bet Preflop: 4.81, Hands: 10,825)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:spade: K:club:

fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, BB calls 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (16.4 BB, 4 players) K:spade: 2:diamond: 7:spade:
BB checks, MP bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (38.4 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
MP bets 23.2 BB, Hero calls 23.2 BB

River: (84.8 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
MP checks, Hero bets 84.8 BB, MP calls 68.52 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A:spade: K:club: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 48%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
MP shows 2:club: 2:spade: (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 52%, Flop 94%, Turn 100%)

 

[Mr Sandbag]

TBH I probably play it similarly but bet smaller on the river to get a call from like his whole range.

 

[Logan2]

+1, 35bb on river to let worst call and to give ourself odds when beat.

I don't think he is checking river with flushes, so sets , KQ/KJ most of his range, not sure he limp and then donk flop vs 3 and fire again turn with worst than that.

He probably tanked river because afraid of bigger set or flush because your size.





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[Matt Vaughan]

Yeah agree with your analysis guys, thanks. I was 4-tabling when I played that hand and at that time somehow thought I wasn't the PFR and I had flatted pre by mistake lol. Seeing it again now I don't hate my line except a smaller bet allows him to hero much more easily with like KJ.

He should think that KJ is kind of equivalent to sets, since he shouldn't expect me to value jam AK here, but at the same time villains get more attached to sets than TP's in this spot.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Kiss....That's a check behind. You got your 2 barrels of value out of the hand.

 

[IPlay]

Kiss....That's a check behind. You got your 2 barrels of value out of the hand.

The pros love their thin value :beer:

(I would check behind)

 

[Matt Vaughan]

The pros love their thin value :beer:

(I would check behind)

Lol not sure how to feel about this comment

Thanks for input guys. Should be some more hands incoming soon, but for now settle for this gem:

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 118 BB
BB: 50 BB (VPIP: 28.25, PFR: 5.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.32, Hands: 10,807)
UTG: 416.24 BB (VPIP: 24.26, PFR: 14.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.36, Hands: 10,700)
MP: 105.12 BB (VPIP: 25.84, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 3.01, Hands: 10,793)
CO: 152.48 BB (VPIP: 27.45, PFR: 15.20, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 10,745)
BTN: 105.76 BB (VPIP: 30.13, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 4.97, Hands: 10,750)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:heart: K:diamond:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 12.4 BB, Hero calls 12 BB, BB calls 11.4 BB, fold

Flop: (40.2 BB, 3 players) 7:diamond: 9:spade: 6:spade:
Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB, BTN raises to 93.36 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 105.6 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (238.92 BB, 2 players) Q:club:

River: (238.92 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:

Hero shows K:heart: K:diamond: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 81%, Flop 26%, Turn 18%)
BTN shows 7:spade: 6:diamond: (Two Pair, Sevens and Sixes) (Pre 19%, Flop 74%, Turn 82%)


Kinda gross, cause I'd been getting sooooo many folds when I 4bet strong hands, felt like I might only be isolating myself vs. like QQ+. So decided to flat this ONE time and ran into flopped monster on a board I pretty much have to stack off. Felt really stupid for not 4betting then. :trytofly:

 

[duggs]

i 4bet all the time, not sure bout leading but it seems ok

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Lost one of the most frustrating pots of my life today. I had redeposited. Playing 50nl and was up about 2 BI's from people betting air into my TP and stuff like that.

Then this hand. Villain is $92 deep and I cover.

I open to $1.50 with 99 and villain 3bets to $5 in the SB. I call.

Flop ($10)
Villain bets $6.25 and I call.


Turn ($22.50)
Villain bets $14, I raise to $35, and villain calls.

At this point in time I thought to myself (if villain lead-jams river, he might actually only have AA).

River ($50.50)
Villain jams $46, I can't even pretend to think about it and I call. Villain flips over AA. Good ****ing game, me.


It's not even like I'm losing every hand. But I'm sure as hell losing every hand where the action is like this.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

It's days like today I wish I would actually contemplate not playing anymore, but that just isn't going to happen.

 

[Logan2]

ouch

30% of my run good in yor way
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[Mr Sandbag]

I doubt I'm folding river unless villain is some mega nit. But even then idk if I could. Def a super gross hand.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

ouch

30% of my run good in yor way
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I will cherish it and use it wisely. Thank you.

I doubt I'm folding river unless villain is some mega nit. But even then idk if I could. Def a super gross hand.

Yeah I mean I don't think it's actually a fold lol. If he's bad he can have A3 and continue past turn. He can have A2 (6 combos). So even if his range is just A2 and AA we call, but yeah it's just so gross to have that thought in your head. And then it happens and you die a little inside.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Guys I can't stop laughing... This just gets better and better.

BB Graph:

Just $25nl graph:

Just terrifying how much it looks like what you would expect the graph of a losing player to look like >.>

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I’m good at ze pokers?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 136.44 BB (VPIP: 27.38, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 15,257)
Hero (BTN): 151 BB
SB: 109.88 BB (VPIP: 33.35, PFR: 9.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.61, Hands: 15,343)
BB: 73.64 BB (VPIP: 28.46, PFR: 5.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 15,403)
UTG: 76.2 BB (VPIP: 24.34, PFR: 14.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 15,231)
MP: 59.72 BB (VPIP: 26.01, PFR: 14.62, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 15,393)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:diamond:

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 15.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 12.4 BB, CO calls 12.4 BB

Flop: (50.6 BB, 3 players) 3:heart: T:club: 2:diamond:
MP checks, CO bets 27.28 BB, Hero raises to 135.6 BB and is all-in, fold, CO calls 93.76 BB and is all-in

Turn: (292.68 BB, 2 players) K:heart:

River: (292.68 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond:

CO shows 7:diamond: 7:heart: (Two Pair, Sevens and Threes) (Pre 19%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows J:spade: J:diamond: (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes) (Pre 81%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)


I was almost good enough to fold flop to the x/r cause it just screams better 2 pair or flopped straight. Mostly flopped straight. But then I stopped giving a **** and I got it in OTT. Kind of sucks how even though I managed to find a hand I was ahead of, I was only a 60:40 OTT and I was actually not even a favorite OTF.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 309.48 BB (VPIP: 26.04, PFR: 14.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.41, Hands: 15,432)
Hero (CO): 399.96 BB
BTN: 117.6 BB (VPIP: 30.25, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.97, Hands: 15,374)
SB: 99.48 BB (VPIP: 33.32, PFR: 9.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.61, Hands: 15,387)
BB: 107.8 BB (VPIP: 28.45, PFR: 5.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.31, Hands: 15,445)
UTG: 127.88 BB (VPIP: 24.37, PFR: 14.52, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 15,276)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:heart: T:diamond:

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) K:club: J:club: T:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 10.4 BB, BB raises to 26.04 BB, Hero calls 15.64 BB

Turn: (58.48 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:
BB bets 78.76 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 78.76 BB

River: (216 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:

Hero shows J:heart: T:diamond: (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens) (Pre 26%, Flop 41%, Turn 59%)
BB shows Q:club: T:club: (Straight, King High) (Pre 74%, Flop 59%, Turn 41%)



Turn is decidedly quite thin and probably bad, but again, how do I find a hand I'm ahead of yet still manage to get so ****ed lol. It's honestly starting to get impressive.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 78.72 BB (VPIP: 28.39, PFR: 5.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.32, Hands: 15,252)
UTG: 201.24 BB (VPIP: 24.34, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 4.53, Hands: 15,091)
MP: 90.8 BB (VPIP: 26.00, PFR: 14.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.42, Hands: 15,233)
CO: 99.32 BB (VPIP: 27.38, PFR: 15.17, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 15,104)
BTN: 47.16 BB (VPIP: 30.20, PFR: 15.83, 3Bet Preflop: 4.99, Hands: 15,183)
Hero (SB): 130.88 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:diamond: T:spade:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 5:heart: J:heart: 6:heart:
Hero bets 11.48 BB, CO calls 11.48 BB

Turn: (43.96 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:
Hero bets 23.96 BB, CO raises to 77.84 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 53.88 BB

River: (199.64 BB, 2 players) 8:diamond:

CO shows 8:spade: 8:heart: (Full House, Eights full of Sixes) (Pre 18%, Flop 44%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows T:diamond: T:spade: (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes) (Pre 82%, Flop 56%, Turn 77%)



Told myself "He has AJ - be a man and x/f." Instead I convinced myself he would call with JT/QJ/KJ enough of the time. Oops.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 354.2 BB (VPIP: 30.15, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.01, Hands: 15,063)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 42.72 BB (VPIP: 28.41, PFR: 5.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 15,134)
UTG: 150.76 BB (VPIP: 24.31, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 14,975)
MP: 47.6 BB (VPIP: 26.01, PFR: 14.61, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 15,111)
CO: 91.24 BB (VPIP: 27.41, PFR: 15.18, 3Bet Preflop: 4.04, Hands: 14,988)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:diamond: K:heart:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11.2 BB, fold, CO calls 7.8 BB

Flop: (23.4 BB, 2 players) 9:club: J:club: 9:heart:
Hero bets 15.4 BB, CO raises to 30.8 BB, Hero calls 15.4 BB

Turn: (85 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
Hero bets 58 BB and is all-in, CO calls 49.24 BB and is all-in

River: (183.48 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:

Hero shows K:diamond: K:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Nines) (Pre 72%, Flop 80%, Turn 5%)
CO shows J:diamond: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 28%, Flop 20%, Turn 95%)



Sad that my 2nd biggest winning hand of the last 1k hands is where I misclicked pre and flopped trips against someone who thought TP 2nd kicker is the nuts.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 28.45, PFR: 5.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.32, Hands: 15,418)
UTG: 69.28 BB (VPIP: 24.34, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.49, Hands: 15,248)
Hero (MP): 320.88 BB
CO: 99.6 BB (VPIP: 27.40, PFR: 15.14, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 15,271)
BTN: 114.04 BB (VPIP: 30.23, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.98, Hands: 15,344)
SB: 63.16 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 9.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 15,358)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2:spade: 6:club:

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB checks

Flop: (3.4 BB, 3 players) 2:club: 2:diamond: J:spade:
BB checks, UTG bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 5.2 BB, fold, UTG calls 4.2 BB

Turn: (13.8 BB, 2 players) 3:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets 20 BB, UTG raises to 63.08 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 43.08 BB

River: (139.96 BB, 2 players) 8:club:

UTG shows J:club: K:heart: (Two Pair, Jacks and Twos) (Pre 67%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 2:spade: 6:club: (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 33%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)



This seems terribad but I didn't really know what to do and didn't want to fold something like a 28% equity share with that much money already in the pot.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 109.04 BB (VPIP: 33.46, PFR: 9.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.52, Hands: 6,945)
BB: 166.72 BB (VPIP: 28.45, PFR: 5.32, 3Bet Preflop: 3.97, Hands: 7,013)
UTG: 140.3 BB (VPIP: 24.53, PFR: 14.27, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 6,947)
MP: 69.4 BB (VPIP: 26.36, PFR: 14.78, 3Bet Preflop: 3.29, Hands: 7,015)
Hero (CO): 98.3 BB
BTN: 51 BB (VPIP: 30.09, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 6,952)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:diamond: Q:diamond:

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 12 BB, BB calls 11 BB, fold, Hero calls 9 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 3 players) 2:spade: 6:diamond: A:diamond:
SB bets 20 BB, BB raises to 40 BB, Hero raises to 86.3 BB and is all-in, SB raises to 97.04 BB and is all-in, BB calls 57.04 BB

Turn: (319.38 BB, 3 players) 7:club:

River: (319.38 BB, 3 players) 3:diamond:

SB shows A:spade: K:spade: (One Pair, Aces)
Main Pot [297.9 BB]: (Pre 45%, Flop 54%, Turn 74%)
Side Pot#1 [21.48 BB]: (Pre 71%, Flop 88%, Turn 93%)

BB shows T:club: A:club: (One Pair, Aces)
Main Pot [297.9 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 7%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [21.48 BB]: (Pre 29%, Flop 12%, Turn 7%)

Hero shows J:diamond: Q:diamond: (Flush, Ace High)
Main Pot [297.9 BB]: (Pre 35%, Flop 39%, Turn 21%)



Good hand sir??

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 33.28, PFR: 9.74, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 15,683)
BB: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 28.47, PFR: 5.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.33, Hands: 15,744)
UTG: 51 BB (VPIP: 24.36, PFR: 14.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 15,572)
MP: 476.6 BB (VPIP: 26.07, PFR: 14.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 15,732)
CO: 112.6 BB (VPIP: 27.43, PFR: 15.12, 3Bet Preflop: 4.01, Hands: 15,591)
Hero (BTN): 107.98 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: A:heart:

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) K:heart: 9:club: 9:diamond:
MP checks, Hero bets 14 BB, MP calls 14 BB

Turn: (49.5 BB, 2 players) T:club:
MP checks, Hero bets 26 BB, MP calls 26 BB

River: (101.5 BB, 2 players) A:club:
MP bets 426.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 57.98 BB and is all-in

MP shows J:heart: T:heart: (Two Pair, Tens and Nines) (Pre 21%, Flop 20%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows A:diamond: A:heart: (Full House, Aces full of Nines) (Pre 79%, Flop 80%, Turn 86%)



Last one, I promise (in all its glory):

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 185.04 BB (VPIP: 33.32, PFR: 9.75, 3Bet Preflop: 4.56, Hands: 15,747)
BB: 185.48 BB (VPIP: 28.48, PFR: 5.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.34, Hands: 15,806)
UTG: 88.92 BB (VPIP: 24.38, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.39, Hands: 15,637)
Hero (MP): 274.74 BB
CO: 93.76 BB (VPIP: 27.42, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 4.02, Hands: 15,648)
BTN: 100.02 BB (VPIP: 30.28, PFR: 15.81, 3Bet Preflop: 4.90, Hands: 15,730)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:heart: 9:spade:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond: 2:diamond: 2:club:
SB bets 12.5 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

Turn: (46 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
SB bets 26 BB, Hero raises to 70 BB, SB calls 44 BB

River: (186 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
SB bets 92.54 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 92.54 BB

SB shows A:heart: A:club: (Full House, Aces full of Twos) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 98%)
Hero mucks 9:heart: 9:spade: (Full House, Nines full of Twos) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 2%)



Promise I'll post real hands soon. Just needed to get these outta my system.

 

[duggs]

Will get to all those hands later, but 99 looks like a clear flop raise

 

[Matt Vaughan]

<3 You don't have to analyze them if you don't feel like it - more important hands coming later. But if you do I won't complain, and I will reply

 

[BenjiHustle]

JJ: Good hand. Only possibility you'd lose to here (OTF) is TT and I don't see that happening. Def. no QQ+, imo, so well played.

TJ: 3-bet OTF, imo. Sick river.

TT: x/f turn? Well played; I avoid this spot, personally. Stupid river again.

KK: Doesn't have to be AJ, either. Listen to yourself.

26: Always nice to accidentally grab a stack.

QJ: Okay pre, though noticeably questionable. Once you're there, though, I'm not sure you can fold flop anyway. I probably feel like I have them right where I want them OTF in this case.

LawlAA

99: Mega cooler.

 

[Logan2]

If i were on your shoes will strongly consider depositing on Carbon, a change of rng can be so good at this point.

I think know your answer though.

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[duggs]

Why would changing rng matter in the slightest? Seriously

 

[Logan2]

because what are the odds he change site and still keep running bad ?

At least in my experience just by changing scenario/player pool could make a difference, you are modifying variants to your monotony everyday playing.

Not saying he is going instantly to win (still a posibility) but just a change could be healthy for his mind.




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