duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Main goal: Don't Bust
Sounds dumb, but tbh this is less about profit for now and more about getting back into the swing of actually playing poker. None of this 45 hands/hour bullsh.
But for real, I do have some goals.
[ ] Start at 10nl and 25nl and don't move down: Obviously if variance bites me, I won't have an option, but I'm still very over-rolled for these limits if you count offline monies, so I don't really want to go lower.
[ ] Surpass $2,000 in my account: When I first deposited on Bovada I ran my $150 deposit up to just under $3,000. About $1,000 of that came from a tourney score (though tbf not sure how much of that was profit given other tourney buyins prior). I'd like to surpass my past cash profits on Bovada.
[ ] Weekly session reviews at minimum: I've never been that good at remembering to do analysis, despite enjoying it, and being much better at it than I am at actually playing. Plus it does wonders for your brain on Bovada since you can see the hole cards afterward.
[ ] 10k+ hands in August??? Not sure about this one. I've never put tons of volume in, but at my peak I was doing prob 15-20k/month. It wasn't very sustained though. I don't really remember how easy/hard it is to get volume given 4-table limit, but 2-4 tabling zone should make this one achievable. Just need to stay motivated.
First session:
I played a 1-hour session tonight. I started out with 2 tables of 25nl, but that actually felt pretty slow, so I ended up adding 2 tables of 10nl to go with them. That speed felt pretty good most of the time, though too slow at times and too fast at others.
I was worried I would play pretty terribly, but I think I actually performed pretty well. I ran like god for the first 70% of my session too though. I flopped probably 5 sets - didn't make much value on average - and made quite a few reasonably strong value hands. But I also got mega-coolered a couple times for the biggest pots of the session. One of them I should have been able to get away from. The other I'm not sure how I played it. Hopefully when I download the HH's I'll be able to dig through.
In the one I should have gotten away from I felt myself get a little tilty, so I decided to close down. I snapped it off and was pissed at what I felt was a cooler, then a few hands later realized at the very least I should have tanked to think about it because the line screamed of the nuts. It can be hard to make good laydowns on Bovada when so often making light calldowns is correct. I have to remind myself that some lines are just always the near-nuts or nuts.
Anywho, I did manage to end in profit, which surprised me. I was topping up a fair bit on 3 of my 4 tables, and then lost pretty big hands near the end of my session, so I was pretty sure I was gonna post a loss. But nope, up $9. Nothing to write home about obv, but I'm trying to focus on volume and playgood anyway.
Hopefully I'll start posting some hands soon and this thread will gain some renewed life.
Sounds dumb, but tbh this is less about profit for now and more about getting back into the swing of actually playing poker. None of this 45 hands/hour bullsh.
But for real, I do have some goals.
[ ] Start at 10nl and 25nl and don't move down: Obviously if variance bites me, I won't have an option, but I'm still very over-rolled for these limits if you count offline monies, so I don't really want to go lower.
[ ] Surpass $2,000 in my account: When I first deposited on Bovada I ran my $150 deposit up to just under $3,000. About $1,000 of that came from a tourney score (though tbf not sure how much of that was profit given other tourney buyins prior). I'd like to surpass my past cash profits on Bovada.
[ ] Weekly session reviews at minimum: I've never been that good at remembering to do analysis, despite enjoying it, and being much better at it than I am at actually playing. Plus it does wonders for your brain on Bovada since you can see the hole cards afterward.
[ ] 10k+ hands in August??? Not sure about this one. I've never put tons of volume in, but at my peak I was doing prob 15-20k/month. It wasn't very sustained though. I don't really remember how easy/hard it is to get volume given 4-table limit, but 2-4 tabling zone should make this one achievable. Just need to stay motivated.
First session:
I played a 1-hour session tonight. I started out with 2 tables of 25nl, but that actually felt pretty slow, so I ended up adding 2 tables of 10nl to go with them. That speed felt pretty good most of the time, though too slow at times and too fast at others.
I was worried I would play pretty terribly, but I think I actually performed pretty well. I ran like god for the first 70% of my session too though. I flopped probably 5 sets - didn't make much value on average - and made quite a few reasonably strong value hands. But I also got mega-coolered a couple times for the biggest pots of the session. One of them I should have been able to get away from. The other I'm not sure how I played it. Hopefully when I download the HH's I'll be able to dig through.
In the one I should have gotten away from I felt myself get a little tilty, so I decided to close down. I snapped it off and was pissed at what I felt was a cooler, then a few hands later realized at the very least I should have tanked to think about it because the line screamed of the nuts. It can be hard to make good laydowns on Bovada when so often making light calldowns is correct. I have to remind myself that some lines are just always the near-nuts or nuts.
Anywho, I did manage to end in profit, which surprised me. I was topping up a fair bit on 3 of my 4 tables, and then lost pretty big hands near the end of my session, so I was pretty sure I was gonna post a loss. But nope, up $9. Nothing to write home about obv, but I'm trying to focus on volume and playgood anyway.
Hopefully I'll start posting some hands soon and this thread will gain some renewed life.
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
Solid goals! I think your volume will be easily met given the fact that I can play that many hands without having a rush version available on Carbon. I know you can't play as often, but zone makes a big ol' difference. You could probably put in half of your intended volume in a single session if you get an itch.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Well tbf, you're right I probably won't have trouble playing 10k hands in August. I def set the bar a bit low, to be sure I can really do it. But also, I've only had a 5k-hand day once in my poker career, and that was spread over 2 sessions which totaled to about 10 hours. But good to know I can fall back on doing it all in one weekend.
Blobweird123
CC's very own Dead Head
Silver Level
madsquirrel
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't think I have stopped reading! This thread really caught my eye and gave me some insight on what to look for and how to play !!! I definitely am going to continue to watch this thread ! Bring the reading on !!
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
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I'll take the compliment either way, I guess.
Sickkkkk.
So grinded my second and third sessions yesterday (short ones). They went okay, play-wise. First one I played 25nl and 10nl. Second one was 50nl and 25nl with duggs sweating me (thanks again!).
Felt I played well, though I made a call I'm not sure was correct (was probably thin at best), and made a pretty massive bluff that I was unsure of in the moment (but arrannit went over with me and I think is good now).
In somewhat bad news, something happened with the software when I tried to rebuy at one point on a 50nl table. I won't go into details atm, but if I'm right, I'm missing about $34 from my account. Not life-changing, but def tilting, and I want to see some evidence that nothing shady is happening.
Support has been quick - but not overly helpful - so far. Will try to post an update later. Cheers 'til then.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Well, thinks went from decent, to meh, to terrible. I have $66.90 left in my account, though tbf I've lost a few buyins at 50nl. I'm up some at 25, and I think I'm down a couple buyins at 10nl. I'm prepared to reload, and would prob deposit a bit more the second time around and avoid 50nl until I had more like $500 or $600 in my online account.
But behold!! Hands!!!
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 74 BB (VPIP: 31.88, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 9.43, Hands: 82)
Hero (UTG): 113.2 BB
MP: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 23.17, PFR: 15.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 82)
CO: 93 BB (VPIP: 30.38, PFR: 18.99, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
BTN: 78.7 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 90)
SB: 142.8 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 88)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:club: K:heart:
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 5.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12.6 BB, SB calls 7.4 BB
Flop: (26.2 BB, 2 players) Q:club: 2:spade: 6:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 15.1 BB, SB calls 15.1 BB
Turn: (56.4 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 29.2 BB, SB raises to 115.1 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56.3 BB and is all-in
River: (227.4 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
Not sure what I was thinking here and why I bluffed, but def didn't put anyone on an Ax hand:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 24.71, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 85)
Hero (CO): 170.6 BB
BTN: 116.7 BB (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 93)
SB: 67.6 BB (VPIP: 32.22, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 90)
BB: 55.7 BB (VPIP: 31.94, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 85)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.88, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 85)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:club: 7:club:
UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold
Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) 2:spade: 5:heart: 8:spade:
UTG bets 6.2 BB, MP calls 6.2 BB, Hero calls 6.2 BB
Turn: (29.1 BB, 3 players) A:club:
UTG checks, MP bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB, UTG calls 14.5 BB
River: (72.6 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond:
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 115.3 BB, fold, MP calls 82.1 BB and is all-in
Unsure how I feel about this one. I think it's okay when we pick up the FD. Give up river seems necessary as well.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 100.04 BB
UTG: 78.64 BB (VPIP: 26.87, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 469)
MP: 22.64 BB (VPIP: 27.43, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 463)
CO: 50.88 BB (VPIP: 30.37, PFR: 14.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 461)
BTN: 160.76 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 3.74, Hands: 472)
SB: 42.24 BB (VPIP: 34.13, PFR: 6.05, 3Bet Preflop: 3.86, Hands: 463)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:club: Q:diamond:
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.6 BB, BTN calls 7.2 BB
Flop: (21.6 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond: 8:diamond: A:club:
Hero bets 12.8 BB, BTN calls 12.8 BB
Turn: (47.2 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:
Hero bets 23.6 BB, BTN calls 23.6 BB
River: (94.4 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
Hero checks, BTN checks
No idea what's happening here, but according to results I made a good river fold. Not sure if river should be a bet/fold or x/f. Duggs said it was thin in-game but I felt it was okay.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 49.2 BB (VPIP: 27.46, PFR: 17.19, 3Bet Preflop: 3.80, Hands: 477)
CO: 116.56 BB (VPIP: 30.11, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 4.38, Hands: 475)
BTN: 236.12 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 15.37, 3Bet Preflop: 3.62, Hands: 488)
SB: 117.76 BB (VPIP: 34.45, PFR: 6.26, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 479)
BB: 153.4 BB (VPIP: 23.79, PFR: 5.08, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 481)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:heart: Q:spade:
Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold
Flop: (16 BB, 5 players) 5:diamond: 7:spade: K:diamond:
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 6 BB
Turn: (34 BB, 3 players) A:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB, fold
River: (62 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
Hero bets 20 BB, BTN raises to 122 BB, fold
River felt like a fold but I convinced myself he could have enough air here. Thinking back on it I believe river's a fold again.
PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 37.42 BB (VPIP: 24.57, PFR: 5.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 522)
UTG: 206.1 BB (VPIP: 27.19, PFR: 15.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 526)
MP: 243.14 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 3.19, Hands: 514)
Hero (CO): 189.5 BB
BTN: 39.4 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 4.10, Hands: 528)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.10, PFR: 5.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 522)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: K:diamond:
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB
Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 8:diamond: 4:heart: K:heart:
BB checks, MP bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold
Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:
MP bets 14.74 BB, Hero calls 14.74 BB
River: (50.98 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
MP bets 35.48 BB, Hero calls 35.48 BB
And finally, the big bluff right at the end of a session. Reviewed this one with arran, but still wouldn't mind input. I think I picked a good runout and combo here, but wouldn't mind hearing thoughts.
PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 25.3 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 5.17, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 945)
UTG: 111.18 BB (VPIP: 26.94, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 943)
MP: 68.2 BB (VPIP: 26.11, PFR: 14.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 942)
CO: 156.1 BB (VPIP: 29.64, PFR: 14.96, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 938)
Hero (BTN): 146.98 BB
SB: 73.7 BB (VPIP: 34.61, PFR: 8.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 942)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:diamond: 6:diamond:
UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BB calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB
Flop: (12.5 BB, 3 players) 7:club: 3:heart: T:spade:
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 6 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB
Turn: (24.5 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets 18.24 BB, UTG calls 18.24 BB
River: (60.98 BB, 2 players) Q:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets 118.74 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 82.94 BB and is all-in
But behold!! Hands!!!
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 74 BB (VPIP: 31.88, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 9.43, Hands: 82)
Hero (UTG): 113.2 BB
MP: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 23.17, PFR: 15.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 82)
CO: 93 BB (VPIP: 30.38, PFR: 18.99, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
BTN: 78.7 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 90)
SB: 142.8 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 88)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:club: K:heart:
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 5.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12.6 BB, SB calls 7.4 BB
Flop: (26.2 BB, 2 players) Q:club: 2:spade: 6:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 15.1 BB, SB calls 15.1 BB
Turn: (56.4 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 29.2 BB, SB raises to 115.1 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56.3 BB and is all-in
River: (227.4 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
Hero shows K:club: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
SB shows Q:diamond: Q:spade: (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
SB shows Q:diamond: Q:spade: (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Not sure what I was thinking here and why I bluffed, but def didn't put anyone on an Ax hand:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
MP: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 24.71, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 85)
Hero (CO): 170.6 BB
BTN: 116.7 BB (VPIP: 23.66, PFR: 13.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 93)
SB: 67.6 BB (VPIP: 32.22, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 90)
BB: 55.7 BB (VPIP: 31.94, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 85)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.88, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 85)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:club: 7:club:
UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold
Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) 2:spade: 5:heart: 8:spade:
UTG bets 6.2 BB, MP calls 6.2 BB, Hero calls 6.2 BB
Turn: (29.1 BB, 3 players) A:club:
UTG checks, MP bets 14.5 BB, Hero calls 14.5 BB, UTG calls 14.5 BB
River: (72.6 BB, 3 players) 4:diamond:
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 115.3 BB, fold, MP calls 82.1 BB and is all-in
Hero shows 8:club: 7:club: (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 39%, Flop 72%, Turn 11%)
MP shows A:heart: Q:heart: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 61%, Flop 28%, Turn 89%)
MP shows A:heart: Q:heart: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 61%, Flop 28%, Turn 89%)
Unsure how I feel about this one. I think it's okay when we pick up the FD. Give up river seems necessary as well.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 100.04 BB
UTG: 78.64 BB (VPIP: 26.87, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 469)
MP: 22.64 BB (VPIP: 27.43, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 463)
CO: 50.88 BB (VPIP: 30.37, PFR: 14.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 461)
BTN: 160.76 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 3.74, Hands: 472)
SB: 42.24 BB (VPIP: 34.13, PFR: 6.05, 3Bet Preflop: 3.86, Hands: 463)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:club: Q:diamond:
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.6 BB, BTN calls 7.2 BB
Flop: (21.6 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond: 8:diamond: A:club:
Hero bets 12.8 BB, BTN calls 12.8 BB
Turn: (47.2 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:
Hero bets 23.6 BB, BTN calls 23.6 BB
River: (94.4 BB, 2 players) 3:heart:
Hero checks, BTN checks
Hero shows T:club: Q:diamond: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 15%, Flop 8%, Turn 18%)
BTN shows K:spade: K:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 85%, Flop 92%, Turn 82%)
BTN shows K:spade: K:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 85%, Flop 92%, Turn 82%)
No idea what's happening here, but according to results I made a good river fold. Not sure if river should be a bet/fold or x/f. Duggs said it was thin in-game but I felt it was okay.
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 49.2 BB (VPIP: 27.46, PFR: 17.19, 3Bet Preflop: 3.80, Hands: 477)
CO: 116.56 BB (VPIP: 30.11, PFR: 14.74, 3Bet Preflop: 4.38, Hands: 475)
BTN: 236.12 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 15.37, 3Bet Preflop: 3.62, Hands: 488)
SB: 117.76 BB (VPIP: 34.45, PFR: 6.26, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 479)
BB: 153.4 BB (VPIP: 23.79, PFR: 5.08, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 481)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:heart: Q:spade:
Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold
Flop: (16 BB, 5 players) 5:diamond: 7:spade: K:diamond:
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 6 BB
Turn: (34 BB, 3 players) A:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB, fold
River: (62 BB, 2 players) 8:spade:
Hero bets 20 BB, BTN raises to 122 BB, fold
BTN shows 8:diamond: 9:diamond: (Flush, Ace High)
Hero mucks K:heart: Q:spade: (One Pair, Kings)
Hero mucks K:heart: Q:spade: (One Pair, Kings)
River felt like a fold but I convinced myself he could have enough air here. Thinking back on it I believe river's a fold again.
PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 37.42 BB (VPIP: 24.57, PFR: 5.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 522)
UTG: 206.1 BB (VPIP: 27.19, PFR: 15.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 526)
MP: 243.14 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 3.19, Hands: 514)
Hero (CO): 189.5 BB
BTN: 39.4 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 4.10, Hands: 528)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.10, PFR: 5.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 522)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: K:diamond:
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB
Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 8:diamond: 4:heart: K:heart:
BB checks, MP bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold
Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:
MP bets 14.74 BB, Hero calls 14.74 BB
River: (50.98 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
MP bets 35.48 BB, Hero calls 35.48 BB
MP shows A:spade: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Fours) (Pre 87%, Flop 82%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks Q:spade: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 13%, Flop 18%, Turn 5%)
Hero mucks Q:spade: K:diamond: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 13%, Flop 18%, Turn 5%)
And finally, the big bluff right at the end of a session. Reviewed this one with arran, but still wouldn't mind input. I think I picked a good runout and combo here, but wouldn't mind hearing thoughts.
PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 25.3 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 5.17, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 945)
UTG: 111.18 BB (VPIP: 26.94, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 943)
MP: 68.2 BB (VPIP: 26.11, PFR: 14.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.17, Hands: 942)
CO: 156.1 BB (VPIP: 29.64, PFR: 14.96, 3Bet Preflop: 2.54, Hands: 938)
Hero (BTN): 146.98 BB
SB: 73.7 BB (VPIP: 34.61, PFR: 8.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 942)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:diamond: 6:diamond:
UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BB calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB
Flop: (12.5 BB, 3 players) 7:club: 3:heart: T:spade:
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 6 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB
Turn: (24.5 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets 18.24 BB, UTG calls 18.24 BB
River: (60.98 BB, 2 players) Q:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero bets 118.74 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 82.94 BB and is all-in
Hero shows 5:diamond: 6:diamond: (High Card, King) (Pre 51%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
UTG shows 3:club: 3:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 49%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
UTG shows 3:club: 3:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 49%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
loafes
Legend
Silver Level
KK
I think we should be checking turn for pot control and because it's hard to get action from a lot of hands we beat. As played it's pretty gross with the odds we're getting, but I really think we're beat almost always here. In my experience players play QQ like this so often, the flatting 4bets pre makes me feel like it plus though pretty unlikely I feel AA isn't impossible either. I'm just not sure if we beat them often enough to call. We might just be able to hero fold. Main thing is I think we should be checking turn. Then we might squeeze extra value from villains marginal holdings on the river.
87
Fold turn multi way I think, Really don't get river
Q10
Is this your standard 3b size? I tend to make mine bigger but I totally understand wanting to play a higher SPR especially if it achieves the same thing and we're anon if its bovoda. Hands alright I think. A second ace isn't the ideal barrel card because it makes villain hero wider, but we picked up the draw and we're still prepping Ax River I agree that we probably have to give up, we may still get folds from the weaker parts of villains range but probably not often enough to be profitable.
KQ
I want to raise flop because villain draws so often and we get more info on where we stand, but I can see how this might put us in a tough spot by inflating the pot with a marginal hand. Plus villain can really put us in a tough spot and probably force us to fold by coming over the top if they have a strong draw. If we had AdK I'd like a raise. As played I definitely think river is c/f the turn is more complex though. Obviously not a good card but then at the same time the Ad takes out a lot of combos so Meh bets probably OK.
KQ villains line is pretty odd I tend to think this is probably value more than air, hearts did miss so meh, probably fold but its pretty close.
56
I think I like it since we rep alot of strong hands and this is a pretty good bluffing candidate the only thing is I'm just having a lot of trouble putting villain on a range. Still I think that jamming river is better than check folding.
I think we should be checking turn for pot control and because it's hard to get action from a lot of hands we beat. As played it's pretty gross with the odds we're getting, but I really think we're beat almost always here. In my experience players play QQ like this so often, the flatting 4bets pre makes me feel like it plus though pretty unlikely I feel AA isn't impossible either. I'm just not sure if we beat them often enough to call. We might just be able to hero fold. Main thing is I think we should be checking turn. Then we might squeeze extra value from villains marginal holdings on the river.
87
Fold turn multi way I think, Really don't get river
Q10
Is this your standard 3b size? I tend to make mine bigger but I totally understand wanting to play a higher SPR especially if it achieves the same thing and we're anon if its bovoda. Hands alright I think. A second ace isn't the ideal barrel card because it makes villain hero wider, but we picked up the draw and we're still prepping Ax River I agree that we probably have to give up, we may still get folds from the weaker parts of villains range but probably not often enough to be profitable.
KQ
I want to raise flop because villain draws so often and we get more info on where we stand, but I can see how this might put us in a tough spot by inflating the pot with a marginal hand. Plus villain can really put us in a tough spot and probably force us to fold by coming over the top if they have a strong draw. If we had AdK I'd like a raise. As played I definitely think river is c/f the turn is more complex though. Obviously not a good card but then at the same time the Ad takes out a lot of combos so Meh bets probably OK.
KQ villains line is pretty odd I tend to think this is probably value more than air, hearts did miss so meh, probably fold but its pretty close.
56
I think I like it since we rep alot of strong hands and this is a pretty good bluffing candidate the only thing is I'm just having a lot of trouble putting villain on a range. Still I think that jamming river is better than check folding.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Cool, thanks so much for responding to all hands, loafes - I appreciate it muchly Mostly agree with your analysis, though a couple points of confusion/contention.
KK: Not really sure I get wanting to pot control turn. If you're right about his range then this is like the nut worst flop for us aside from maybe QJx, and I should check back flop b/c I can't bet for value? Or do you mean that once he calls flop we can't bet turn b/c he folds JJ- OTT? Agree it's a snap fold when he x/jam turn. Sick price yeah but just never ahead really unless he decides to hold onto his balls and jump with AQ (which likely isn't in his range preflop).
87: Just to clarify, I bet turn because nobody really reps any Ax, and I'm the one who can most credibly still rep reasonably strong hands. River was spew but I still didn't put anyone on an A, and felt river scare card might get me some extra folds. That was my thought at the time, but after I get a turn call I think it's time to give up.
2nd KQ: Not sure what you mean about his line being odd? Do you mean he doesn't rep a wide range? B/c if so I agree. His value range isn't that wide. Pretty much 100% 88, AK, and AA imo.
Mostly agree with your analysis, though a couple points of confusion/contention.KK: Not really sure I get wanting to pot control turn. If you're right about his range then this is like the nut worst flop for us aside from maybe QJx, and I should check back flop b/c I can't bet for value? Or do you mean that once he calls flop we can't bet turn b/c he folds JJ- OTT? Agree it's a snap fold when he x/jam turn. Sick price yeah but just never ahead really unless he decides to hold onto his balls and jump with AQ (which likely isn't in his range preflop).
87: Just to clarify, I bet turn because nobody really reps any Ax, and I'm the one who can most credibly still rep reasonably strong hands. River was spew but I still didn't put anyone on an A, and felt river scare card might get me some extra folds. That was my thought at the time, but after I get a turn call I think it's time to give up.
2nd KQ: Not sure what you mean about his line being odd? Do you mean he doesn't rep a wide range? B/c if so I agree. His value range isn't that wide. Pretty much 100% 88, AK, and AA imo.
loafes
Legend
Silver Level
KK I meant that nothing we beat will call a bet OTT so betting just gets us value owned. Although come think of it the flop IS pretty bad for us given the pre flop action so I actually do think that checking back the flop may be a viable way to play it. Either way I'm definitely not betting twice
87 I don't know I'm probably just being really nitty, its just I tend to avoid putting myself in a spot where I might overplay a pair when I catch a small piece with suited connectors. I'm mainly looking for combo draws or good rumours hu. Here there are so many bad river cards that I just want to wait for a better spot, but Again I'm probably just being nitty.
KQ I misread the hand, I thought villain check called the flop and then lead out on the turn. Don't know why I thought we had the initiative here.
Rereading the hand It's pretty close, we're only bluff catching but hearts did miss so I don't know, probably fold though because triple barrels aren't that common.
87 I don't know I'm probably just being really nitty, its just I tend to avoid putting myself in a spot where I might overplay a pair when I catch a small piece with suited connectors. I'm mainly looking for combo draws or good rumours hu. Here there are so many bad river cards that I just want to wait for a better spot, but Again I'm probably just being nitty.
KQ I misread the hand, I thought villain check called the flop and then lead out on the turn. Don't know why I thought we had the initiative here.
Rereading the hand It's pretty close, we're only bluff catching but hearts did miss so I don't know, probably fold though because triple barrels aren't that common.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Yeah figured you misread action on KQ. My only thought on that is combos? He bets into 2 people and barrels the turn. Not saying he can never do that with like 87hh, but he's prob not barreling river 100%, whereas he has all 6 combos of AA and probably all 8 combos AK.
Not that this is a perfect proxy, but the approximate flush draw combos I bet flop and turn with are: every Ax (10 comb), QJ-65 (7 comb), QT-T8 (3 comb). 20 combos total. But again he doesn't bet them 100%. Gonna see how often he needs to barrel off his airballs for us to call profitably.
We're getting nearly 2.5:1, and he has 14 value combos, so he needs to bet river with at least 6 air combos for us to be able to profitably call. He has 20 air combos, so if he bluffs with them at least 30% of the time, we can call. I'm honestly not sure if he does or not, but at least this gives us some sense.
I kind of lean toward thinking he doesn't barrel off his air, because our range is pretty faceup to being Kx most of the time (I guess we may have some 66,77,99,TT and missed flush draws ourself). On top of that it's like the worst board ever to barrel off.
Not that this is a perfect proxy, but the approximate flush draw combos I bet flop and turn with are: every Ax (10 comb), QJ-65 (7 comb), QT-T8 (3 comb). 20 combos total. But again he doesn't bet them 100%. Gonna see how often he needs to barrel off his airballs for us to call profitably.
We're getting nearly 2.5:1, and he has 14 value combos, so he needs to bet river with at least 6 air combos for us to be able to profitably call. He has 20 air combos, so if he bluffs with them at least 30% of the time, we can call. I'm honestly not sure if he does or not, but at least this gives us some sense.
I kind of lean toward thinking he doesn't barrel off his air, because our range is pretty faceup to being Kx most of the time (I guess we may have some 66,77,99,TT and missed flush draws ourself). On top of that it's like the worst board ever to barrel off.
Mr Sandbag
Legend
Silver Level
KK: Fold turn. I don't really see how we are beating anything that is check/jamming turn. I think it's only QQ.
87s: Really odd river jam that turns a hand with SDV into a huge bluff. Def check river.
QTo: Pre and flop are fine, but I don't know if I agree that turn is a good card to barrel. It only strengthens villain's range (FD's, PP's, Ax).
KQo: Check/fold river I think.
KQo: I don't think he has much air on the river. Seems gross to fold there, but if he's value betting I don't see what worse hands he's doing it with.
65s: I guess this depends on the range you give villain preflop. IMO it's PP/SC heavy. I like turn barrel but probably give up on river and chalk it up.
87s: Really odd river jam that turns a hand with SDV into a huge bluff. Def check river.
QTo: Pre and flop are fine, but I don't know if I agree that turn is a good card to barrel. It only strengthens villain's range (FD's, PP's, Ax).
KQo: Check/fold river I think.
KQo: I don't think he has much air on the river. Seems gross to fold there, but if he's value betting I don't see what worse hands he's doing it with.
65s: I guess this depends on the range you give villain preflop. IMO it's PP/SC heavy. I like turn barrel but probably give up on river and chalk it up.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Thanks for input
87: Actually don't feel we have much SDV when UTG overcalls turn. I think he virtually always has a PP > 8.
QT: I don't think it's a good card to barrel per se, just that it does give me more equity. Hope I didn't make it sound like I thought it was a sweet board lol.
65s: Don't really agree with your assessment of his preflop range when he limp/overcalls. I agree PP's and SC's are in his range, but I think it's much wider given he's an unknown at zone and limps and calls after someone else ("lawl such a good price!"). Also I discounted sets fairly heavily when he didn't raise flop or turn.
87: Actually don't feel we have much SDV when UTG overcalls turn. I think he virtually always has a PP > 8.
QT: I don't think it's a good card to barrel per se, just that it does give me more equity. Hope I didn't make it sound like I thought it was a sweet board lol.
65s: Don't really agree with your assessment of his preflop range when he limp/overcalls. I agree PP's and SC's are in his range, but I think it's much wider given he's an unknown at zone and limps and calls after someone else ("lawl such a good price!"). Also I discounted sets fairly heavily when he didn't raise flop or turn.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
KK i play turn pretty much the same tbh, flop I'm often checking tho.
87s am i nitty for wanting to fold flop?
QT objectively thats a bad barrel card, but we do have equity when called and block flushes so and AQ, think lots of stuff folds to 2nd bet. unsure whether to triple tho
KQ still think river is a c/f
KQ yea we should be folding turn or river, fact he cnet 4way is a pretty clear sign our hand is dead v value range.
56s, definitely over limping pre, not sure its a great combo to cnet flop with. turn and river seem ok, river espec but i think its pretty unnecessary
87s am i nitty for wanting to fold flop?
QT objectively thats a bad barrel card, but we do have equity when called and block flushes so and AQ, think lots of stuff folds to 2nd bet. unsure whether to triple tho
KQ still think river is a c/f
KQ yea we should be folding turn or river, fact he cnet 4way is a pretty clear sign our hand is dead v value range.
56s, definitely over limping pre, not sure its a great combo to cnet flop with. turn and river seem ok, river espec but i think its pretty unnecessary
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Second KQ, we're only 3way, but yah. I never thought I was ahead of his value range OTR. In theory he might have KJ, but very reduced if ever. That's why I only factored in bluff combos with his better value hands.
56s: What do you mean by unnecessary? Sizing? Or the bet in general?
56s: What do you mean by unnecessary? Sizing? Or the bet in general?
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
That still doesn't answer my question really. I mean I'm trying to make +EV plays, so the only things that are not needed would be -EV plays. Are you just reiterating that you don't like flop bet? Because that's fine, but I think turn and river seem fine once I've bet flop, no?
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Wait what's wrong with pre? I don't see how we're going to make more money by overlimping and going 3 or 4way tbh. But even if we're making more money by overlimping than flatting, I don't see how you can "really really hate it"?? Do you think limp > fold > raise?
I agree flop is thin, but we have a gutshot, and it's a board type where overs come a high % of the time. And I don't get how turn is meh either - it's like one of the nut barrel cards, isn't it? His range is like mostly Tx and worse, so I feel like giving up after I bet flop would be the larger mistake.
In any case, online "roll" was back up to $100 for a little while, but second session of the day left me at $75. Second session featured here:
I agree flop is thin, but we have a gutshot, and it's a board type where overs come a high % of the time. And I don't get how turn is meh either - it's like one of the nut barrel cards, isn't it? His range is like mostly Tx and worse, so I feel like giving up after I bet flop would be the larger mistake.
In any case, online "roll" was back up to $100 for a little while, but second session of the day left me at $75. Second session featured here:
Fknife
Legend
Silver Level
Finally! Great video, looking forward to many more from you, Matt
Anyway those last hands, they are from Zoom, right? You, USA and pokerstars -> is there something I dont know about?
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
Good luck with your car. I know all about that sh*t; I used to have an '86 Pontiac Fiero that I refused to get rid of.
Good thing online play costs so much less. Great video so far; I'm about halfway through, but gotta get some sleep sometime. Just my typical 2:30 am check on the interweb. Lol
Good thing online play costs so much less.
Great video so far; I'm about halfway through, but gotta get some sleep sometime. Just my typical 2:30 am check on the interweb. Lol
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Finally! Great video, looking forward to many more from you, Matt
They're from Bovada, but PT4 doesn't convert them directly. There is a separate hand-converter software that converts the hands into a format PT4 recognizes. It formats them like a Pokerstars hand, so that's why it looks like that. Also, it's zone, so the converter chooses to mark those as zoom as a way of differentiating between zone and regular tables.
Good luck with your car. I know all about that sh*t; I used to have an '86 Pontiac Fiero that I refused to get rid of.
Good thing online play costs so much less.
Car's going to end up being 1.3-1.4k when all work is done... Puke. I WAS breaking even in life-monies on the month, but not anymore lol. I only got about $300 of work done, the rest will be next weekend though, and my bank account will be crying by the end of the month I'm sure lol.
Yeah I mean, I'm hoping it won't just be "less expensive" but will actually be profitable at some point lol. Getting a bit sick of winning stacks and having it only be worth a preflop raise in the games I'm used to, but w/e. Losing hurts a little bit less... kinda.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
And btw, here's a video James "Splitsuit" Sweeney made about a hand I asked about. I posted it in my thread a while back as well.
Pretty much agree with all his analysis, and bigger flop and turn sizing would have made the river an extremely easy jam, though iirc there were also some weird timing tell type things going on too.
Pretty much agree with all his analysis, and bigger flop and turn sizing would have made the river an extremely easy jam, though iirc there were also some weird timing tell type things going on too.