AtiFCOD
Legend
Loyaler
Yeah. I think nobody to blame there. Vettel wanted to overtake Webber and he though that his teammate will give him space but Webber wanted to defend his position. Vettel should have waited for better opportunity.
SPCotter
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hmm, credit must be given to Lewis for keeping his cool to the extent that he did, some interesting radio cuts have been put into the highlights on F1.com
Team: "Lewis we need you to save fuel, same for both cars"
Lewis: "Jenson is closing you guys"
"If I back off, is Jenson gonna pass?"
Team: "No Lewis, no."
Well, for McLaren's sake I'm sure they're very glad they didn't crash, or the fallout would have been horrendous!
Team: "Lewis we need you to save fuel, same for both cars"
Lewis: "Jenson is closing you guys"
"If I back off, is Jenson gonna pass?"
Team: "No Lewis, no."
Well, for McLaren's sake I'm sure they're very glad they didn't crash, or the fallout would have been horrendous!
Zorba
27
Platinum Level
The only one that had the "red mist" was Vettel, Webber was in the lead and having a great race, so why would he have the "red mist"
This is for both the above quotes,
Vettel was totally in the wrong there, he was on the dirty part of the track, and he didnt have the line to the next turn, he acted like a little baby because his team mate and biggest threat had won the two previous races and was on his way to 3 in a row, imho Vettel deliberetly did what he did to inflick some damage to Webbers car, but it backfired, the team owners should penalise him in some way.
Vettel knew exactly what he was doing, you can't honestly think he didn't know what he was doing. Those drivers spend so many hours in those cars not to know what how they handle.
And BTW I'm not just saying this because Webber is a countryman of mine, he is about the most honest racer in the field.
t1tpfdc
Legend
Loyaler
Have to agree with the Aussie; that is to say, I agree with zorba!
Except maybe the part about Vettel did it intentionally to damage Webber. Dunno.
But you could see it clearly in the replay of the incident, viewed head-on
There wasn't a whole lot of space there, but there was space.
Vettel veered to the right into Webber. If Vettel had just kept his line, it would not have happened.
Except maybe the part about Vettel did it intentionally to damage Webber. Dunno.
But you could see it clearly in the replay of the incident, viewed head-on
There wasn't a whole lot of space there, but there was space.
Vettel veered to the right into Webber. If Vettel had just kept his line, it would not have happened.
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Yep, he deliberately hit him at close to 200mph without any expectation of damage to his own car.
SPCotter
Rock Star
Silver Level
Pretty much this, Vettel came across so he would have a cleaner braking zone and a better line through the final corners, and probably expected Webber to give him an acre of space and happily wave the white flag. Webber had every right to stay where he was and fairly defend his position - which is what he did, and thus the accident happened, sure if Webber gave way the accident wouldn't have happened, but that doesn't make it his fault - 100% Vettel in the wrong.
By all accounts the noises out of Red Bull is are that everyone's kissed and made up, I'm not really convinced by this PR stunt and we'll see for sure how good their relationship is later on in the season, they'll both be on a tight leash in canada
AtiFCOD
Legend
Loyaler
Vettel expected that Webber will give him space. He was much faster than Webber at that corner. I think Webber made a lil error a corner before and he slowed down a bit and Vettel wanted to turn it to his advantage. Moreover Vettel was chased by Hamilton.
But he forgot or didnt want to understand that Webber is in race too, Webber couldnt let him overtake him, but Vettel thought that Webber wont risk a collusion and let him go.
It was a normal race-accident. It wouldnt even be interesting if it was not between teammates.
I dont think any of the two pilots wanted a collusion cos F1 cars cant take any damage. They are not Nascar cars. Usually a lil collision make them give up the race.
I think we can agree that Vettel was too aggressive, he should have waited for better opportunity.
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Neoblast
Rock Star
Silver Level
Bah I went to valencia and saw the GP.
It was awesome to be in a GP live, lots of people, lots of activities, lots of merchandising!!!
About the race I didn't quite like it, the Fia is always too good on hamilton, the panltiesthey apply to him are always too soft for the kind of thingshe usually does...
Overtaking the safety car and only a drive through, 13 laps later knowing his position wouldn't be affectted with that crappy penalty?
Michael penalties are always too soft on hamilton...
Last time it was running out of fuel on the qualifying, and no penalty was given for that.
It was awesome to be in a GP live, lots of people, lots of activities, lots of merchandising!!!
About the race I didn't quite like it, the Fia is always too good on hamilton, the panltiesthey apply to him are always too soft for the kind of thingshe usually does...
Overtaking the safety car and only a drive through, 13 laps later knowing his position wouldn't be affectted with that crappy penalty?
Michael penalties are always too soft on hamilton...
Last time it was running out of fuel on the qualifying, and no penalty was given for that.
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Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Neo, you sound like that whining Spaniard git Alonso, to start with, the safety car was not 'on track' but in the blend line when Hamilton passed it. His drive through penalty cost him 16 seconds, yet the 10 drivers penalized for speeding during the same incident received only 5 second penalties when the commentators stated they will receive 20 or 30 second penalties. IMO the stewards have always been harsh on Hamilton and soft on many other drivers and I'll bet nothing will be done about Webber for the idiotic move and dangerous crash he caused.
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Neoblast
Rock Star
Silver Level
He started to overtake it just right when the safety car was about to leave the blend line. He even lied ( again ) about not even seeing it.
Even in blend line no car is allowed to overtake the safety car. He was penalised, yes but way too late. It isn't that difficult to watch the video and decide that without having to wait near 15 laps. Harsh on hamilton? Most of the times he got only lower penalties( or just cash penalties, duh ) or no penalties at all for some infringements. All of the rest of the car just were a bit more speedy than allowed, none of them actually passed the medical car, so it makes sense.
I'm in no way saying that alonso did fine, that kind of comments aren't suitable.
But a drive through after so much time that did not even affect his position a single bit looks cheap to me.
Even in blend line no car is allowed to overtake the safety car. He was penalised, yes but way too late. It isn't that difficult to watch the video and decide that without having to wait near 15 laps. Harsh on hamilton? Most of the times he got only lower penalties( or just cash penalties, duh ) or no penalties at all for some infringements. All of the rest of the car just were a bit more speedy than allowed, none of them actually passed the medical car, so it makes sense.
I'm in no way saying that alonso did fine, that kind of comments aren't suitable.
But a drive through after so much time that did not even affect his position a single bit looks cheap to me.
SPCotter
Rock Star
Silver Level
The drive through penalty was applied way too late. I actually think it was quite a cynical ploy by Hamilton, the drivers are briefed as to where the safety car lines are etc. and I think he just misjudged it slightly, the only reason he 'hesitated' was so that he and he only would be able to pass the safety car leaving Alonso and co stuck behind it, no wonder Alonso and Ferrari are fuming.
The Webber incident was just unfortunate, he didn't anticipate Heikki would brake so early, I'm sure next time he won't stay so long in the slipstream and do a Lotus/Virgin under braking, he just got caught out, no one wants that sort of accident.
The Webber incident was just unfortunate, he didn't anticipate Heikki would brake so early, I'm sure next time he won't stay so long in the slipstream and do a Lotus/Virgin under braking, he just got caught out, no one wants that sort of accident.
Egon Towst
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
What a bizarre comment ! I would have thought that anyone who follows the sport would be very well aware that Hamilton and McLaren have repeatedly been penalised very heavily.
In fact, it`s a well-known joke among race fans that FIA could stand for "Ferrari International Assistance", because past decisions appear to have favoured Ferrari over McLaren. It is because of that public criticism that stewards` panels have now been beefed up by the addition of a retired race driver to bring additional expertise and to ensure impartiality.
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Absolutely right, like the time MS was called in for a stop and go penalty and continued to the end of the race pulling into the pits on the last lap and winning the race as his pit box was over the finish line.
Or when he was pushed out of a gravel trap by course workers and allowed to continue. Or when RB was ordered to let him pass on the last lap last corner to win the race. MS, the ONLY driver to have his whole seasons points DQ'ed for attempting to crash into another car and win the championship by default. Some people watch TV with rose coloured glasses.
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ChuckyEgg
Rock Star
Silver Level
Tomorrow's race should be interesting... Webber will be looking to eclipse Vetel at the start so that he can get a win and get himself back into the running for the drivers' championship win.
Alonso has got himself into postion 3, so he will be looking to bust through to first position to get Ferrari some much needed points
And Hamilton in 4th positon on the grid will be looking to keep his lead in the championship, and threaten the boys in front of him.
As for Button, well pft, 14th place on the grid... let's see what he does with that... if anythingh
Alonso has got himself into postion 3, so he will be looking to bust through to first position to get Ferrari some much needed points
And Hamilton in 4th positon on the grid will be looking to keep his lead in the championship, and threaten the boys in front of him.
As for Button, well pft, 14th place on the grid... let's see what he does with that... if anythingh
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
How many other people think the stewards made a horrible, horrible decision with Alonso's drive through penalty last night?
Obv a crushing performance by Webber, love is "not bad for a number two driver" jibe post-race
Obv a crushing performance by Webber, love is "not bad for a number two driver" jibe post-race
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Always the same in teams where both drivers are in competetive cars, problem is they both have different engineers and that's where the cars out perform each other, besides the driver relaying his knowledge to his engineer to set the car up. eg. In Montreal after final practise, LH told his engineer he had understeer in 2 turns and to reduce the ride height on the front left by 1mm, how many other drivers have that much know how?
AtiFCOD
Legend
Loyaler
How many other people think the stewards made a horrible, horrible decision with Alonso's drive through penalty last night?
Obv a crushing performance by Webber, love is "not bad for a number two driver" jibe post-race
Yes. They killed his hopes winning this year's championship. They ruined his last 2 races. Many ppl thinks that he got his last penalty (when Kubica made him leave track) because Ferrari complainted a lot about the previous race (when Hamilton got a punishment but with no effect). Sad story.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
That'd probably be because he's not the second driver - or at least he's not supposed to be. Sunday proved again that he can outperform Vettel, even when Vettel gets the fancy new toys and he doesn't.
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Ferrari never had a chance of winning the championship this season, Alonso was the complainer regarding the previous race. He whined when he was at McLaren, he whines at Ferrari, if he just did what he is paid to do and drive he may get better results. As for the prior LH penalty, read the race report, it took so long too make a decision because there was more concern for the welfare of Webber.