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[underdog140]

So that's pure hyperbole - Conor has a very real non-zero chance of knocking Mayweather out early, none of us should be shocked if it happens.

In regards to the bolded.

[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G5b1Q3FzXo]HAHAHAHA[/ame]

While there is chance Conor might catch Floyd early on. Absolutely everyone should be shocked if it happens.

It's certainly not the most likely outcome for the fight, but it's a lot more possible than you're making it out to be.

If anything, it's less likely to happen then my post implies since someone has picked me up a ticket.

We have someone who has never had a professional boxing match vs Floyd Mayweather who has a professional boxing record of 49-0.

 

[underdog140]

Any Bets placed for the fights this weekend ?

I placed $100 on B.J. Penn for a payout of $260

It is crazy to see B.J. Penn being that big of an underdog vs. Denis Siver. I was tempted to go bigger.

Sonnen vs Wandy .... Fedor vs. Mitrione in a few short hours

 

[OzExorcist]

So they've got a LHW division that's probably at least as interesting as the UFC's, and they stick their LHW title fight way down the undercard below the zombie corpses of Chael Sonnen and Wanderlei Silva...

LOL Bellatoraments.

 

[Sil3ntness]

The Bellator LHW championship fight was pretty slow. The first Bader vs Davis fight was at 4 AM in the morning so I thought maybe they weren't giving it all, but the second fight had the same result!

 

[Blackout09]

So Johnny Hendricks moves up a Division and misses weight. I think he should be cut. I dont see him as dedicated to the sport as he used to be. He has gotten too lazy.

 

[underdog140]

Sonnen vs Wandy was one of the better fights on the card. Wand was pissed. Pushed Sonnen after the fight.

B.J. looked shot. He still has some power and his toughness. I really want to see him go out on a win. Why didn't he go for the take-down .....

 

[WVHillbilly]

Sonnen vs Wandy was one of the better fights on the card. Wand was pissed. Pushed Sonnen after the fight.

B.J. looked shot. He still has some power and his toughness. I really want to see him go out on a win. Why didn't he go for the take-down .....

Only person Silva should have been pissed at is himself for not knowing how to defend the take down. Penn has looked shot his last several fights. He's bound for Bellator would be my guess to fight in the has-been division.

 

[underdog140]

B.J. fought some bigger tougher guys and a bad style match up(s) in Edgar. But this Siver fight really has showed he is a shell of his former self.

On the other hand it's nice to see Siver get a name like B.J. on his win list.

Agree about Silva.

 

[OzExorcist]

B.J. looked shot.

I mean I don't wanna say we told you so but... yeah, we told you so.

I hope he retires. I legitimately fear he won't.

The sad part is the UFC clearly doesn't even think he has name value any more, given where the buried him on this card. Think about that for a second. This was a card that aired on a SUNDAY, headlined by relative nobodies, and they didn't even give BJ a co-main event.

He got paid more than anyone else on the card for losing, so there's that I guess.

 

[underdog140]

I don't put much in the he looks shot as most jump on that bandwagon way too soon. Lots were saying it about Edgar ... Tito ( long before he went to Bellator ) and just about any fighter who as a couple bad outings.

He still has drawing power. Just about everyone else would have been cut already. BJ has a loyal fan base. He isn't as popular as he once was but he still has a hardcore fan base. It's one of the reasons WME isn't going to let him go to Bellator.

I wish he would have used the same game plan he used vs. Finch against Siver. It is like BJ forgot he was a Jiu-Jitsu prodigy.

I went back and watch his fight vs Diego after the fight just to see the difference in performances.

 

[OzExorcist]

So lots of great fights coming up this weekend - with legit questions over who's gonna win them too!

Romero v Whittaker should be an excellent fight that could go either way, and I'm intrigued to see how the rematch with Nunes and Shevchenko goes. Plus Gaethje finally in the UFC!

I don't put much in the he looks shot as most jump on that bandwagon way too soon. Lots were saying it about Edgar ... Tito ( long before he went to Bellator ) and just about any fighter who as a couple bad outings.

I mean yeah, maybe some people can jump on the bandwagon too soon - though in this sport when a fighter is past it, their performance falls fast. So better being on the bandwagon a fight early than a fight late IMO, especially if you're betting.

As far as BJ Penn goes though, we weren't too soon. He hasn't had a win since 2010. He's looked flat-out bad ever since he came back in 2014. He's been shot for a long time now.

 

[OzExorcist]

So Gaethje's UFC debut was everything we could have hoped for and more

Pity we didn't get the Nunes-Shevchenko fight in the end, but the UFC finally has an (adopted) Australian champion in Robert Whittaker! Here's hoping his knee doesn't take too long to heal and we get to see him fight Bisping soon.

The division lost a bit of depth too though, with Gegard Mousasi announcing his departure for Bellator: https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/10/15948416/gegard-mousasi-departs-ufc-for-bellator

 

[underdog140]

I wonder what the numbers were for the Bellator PPV ? I am guessing not that great or they would have been "leaked" and easy to find.

Goes to show what the name brand UFC itself brings.

Bellator should think of having a low price for there next PPV and then gradually increase.

Overeem vs Werdum .... Did the Judges get it right ?

 

[underdog140]

I mean yeah, maybe some people can jump on the bandwagon too soon - though in this sport when a fighter is past it, their performance falls fast. So better being on the bandwagon a fight early than a fight late IMO, especially if you're betting.

As far as BJ Penn goes though, we weren't too soon. He hasn't had a win since 2010. He's looked flat-out bad ever since he came back in 2014. He's been shot for a long time now.

That's your opinion. Allot were saying he was done after he lost the second Edgar fight. He wasn't. He just wasn't in his prime anymore. The problem was his mindset of wanting to fight the best all the time regardless of size and not taking a step back. But then again that is why his fans are so loyal. Anyone / Anywhere / Any-weight .... these type of fighters aren't as plentiful anymore.

 

[OzExorcist]

I wonder what the numbers were for the Bellator PPV ? I am guessing not that great or they would have been "leaked" and easy to find.

Goes to show what the name brand UFC itself brings.

Bellator should think of having a low price for there next PPV and then gradually increase.

Overeem vs Werdum .... Did the Judges get it right ?

MMA Decisions has the official scorecards and a bunch of media ones: http://mmadecisions.com/decision/82...m;jsessionid=D391E0A6115C9A8EC9D3D6BAB74A7E38

The only disagreement between the judges on the night seems to be whether the final round was 10-9 or 10-8 for Werdum (Hagen and Lee scored it 10-9 for a 29-28 Overeem win, Cleary scored it 10-8 for a 28-28 draw). They all agree Overeem won rounds one and two.

Media score cards are 9 for Overeem, 2 for a draw, and 5 for Werdum. So there's maybe some questions, but the decision seems defensible - on the grand scale of MMA robberies it doesn't even rate a mention.

As for Bellator's buyrate, here's some analysis on it: https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/26/15875850/bellator-180-averaged-901000-viewers

Short version: the free-to-air portion of the card did about the same numbers as an average UFC PPV undercard... but Bellator kinda cheated by combining viewership numbers from two channels, not one. Google search traffic for the event was only 40% of what UFC PPVs normally get, so that doesn't bode particularly well for how it did. Scott Coker was apparently only targetting about 200k buys though, so it's not like they were aiming especially high.

 

[underdog140]

I wouldn't call it a robbery. Not even close. ... just wondering if anyone here thought the nod should of went in the other direction.

I think the Judges got it right.

 

[OzExorcist]

Yeah seems that way. Werdum's only got himself to blame for not pursuing the finish harder.

 

[widron2s]

I don't put much in the he looks shot as most jump on that bandwagon way too soon. Lots were saying it about Edgar ... Tito ( long before he went to Bellator ) and just about any fighter who as a couple bad outings.

He still has drawing power. Just about everyone else would have been cut already. BJ has a loyal fan base. He isn't as popular as he once was but he still has a hardcore fan base. It's one of the reasons WME isn't going to let him go to Bellator.

I wish he would have used the same game plan he used vs. Finch against Siver. It is like BJ forgot he was a Jiu-Jitsu prodigy.

I went back and watch his fight vs Diego after the fight just to see the difference in performances.

The fight vs diego just happened to be one he trained really hard for. I think given that most of these fighters aren't stand up fighters that he also changes his tatics.

 

[Blackout09]

DC vs Jones coming up. WHo yall got?

 

[andyt5303]

Jones has fought once in 2 1/2 years and looked pretty lacklustre against OSP - I think we can all agree. Also no doubt Jones will lose at least 1 point for extending his fingers throughout the fight... which is why I'm surprised to see you can get DC at +250 right now, I'm all over that!

 

[OzExorcist]

Yeah that's a tough one - Jones being underwhelming against OSP is a real worry, but at the same time he absolutely schooled DC last time they fought. I don't think DC's team is training any smarter or is any better at game planning than last time.

Plus DC isn't getting any younger, and he's only really had one proper fight in the past two years too (that show match against Anderson Silva at UFC 200 hardly counts).

I'm OK with Jones being favourite, but I don't think the odds should be quite as wide as they are.

 

[underdog140]

Bellator numbers are in 95 - 130 000 PPV buys is the estimate. While this seems low ( and it is ) it is on par with what UFC 213 did ( 125 - 150 000 ) and a boxing PPV that recently took place ( 130 000 Buys ) Ward vs Sergey.

David Schwarz of Spike TV talked of the Madison Square Garden event as a major success.

Schwarz said that Viacom company policy would not allow a release of the official numbers. Bellator did release the 2014 show number as just over 100,000 buys.

"I can say we are all very pleased with everything from the Bellator PPV - that, of course, includes the record gate, record domestic attendance, strong numbers for Bellator 180 (the two hour prelims on Spike) and great exposure for the brand, and great momentum as we plan our next PPV. Details coming."

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/7/...-view-numbers-are-in-for-ufc-213-bellator-nyc

 

[Blackout09]

I really Hope Jones knocks out that ****y Cormier. All though i dont like Jones, I hate DC even more.

 

[Blackout09]

Oooops. i had no idea that word was censored. My bad.

 

[mldrummer]

DC vs Jones coming up. WHo yall got?

Thats really tough to say... If jones is the same as he was before I definitely say Jones, unless DC can take Jones down and keep him down. Although Jones has some good submissions. As long as he doesn't get arrested or fail a drug test I'll take Jones lol