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[OzExorcist]

So... Cain is out of his fight with Werdum. Pity, I was hoping to bet Werdum in that fight because for some reason the market was treating his previous win as a pure fluke.

I don't consider using an IV shortly after it was banned and fessing up to it as the same as failing a test or using some form of PED. While it is on the fighters to know the rules .. B.J. Penn claimed he thought they were ok to use out of competition and his doctor is the one who recommended he take one. I find it hard to believe he was using the IV to get any sort of edge considering he was against using one when he was with Dolce and they were legal. B.J. would ( did ? ) have passed his test.

So BJ's doctor prescribes a non-performance enhancing treatment for him, which is banned by WADA... and BJ's just a guy who made a tiny mistake.

Cyborg's doctor prescribes a non-performance enhancing treatment for her, which is banned by WADA... and everyone says they should throw the book at her

I'm not saying either should get off scott free, I'm just saying it's a double standard. For my money BJ's was far more stupid because the ban on IVs was highly publicised: he'd have to have avoided every single major MMA news site for about a year straight not to have known about it and, as I think I pointed out at the time, BJPenn.com is an MMA news site and he spends a lot of time and energy promoting it. Still, both were stupid, both should have known better, both deserve bans.

 

[underdog140]

So BJ's doctor prescribes a non-performance enhancing treatment for him, which is banned by WADA... and BJ's just a guy who made a tiny mistake.

Cyborg's doctor prescribes a non-performance enhancing treatment for her, which is banned by WADA... and everyone says they should throw the book at her

I'm not saying either should get off scott free, I'm just saying it's a double standard. For my money BJ's was far more stupid because the ban on IVs was highly publicised: he'd have to have avoided every single major MMA news site for about a year straight not to have known about it and, as I think I pointed out at the time, BJPenn.com is an MMA news site and he spends a lot of time and energy promoting it. Still, both were stupid, both should have known better, both deserve bans.

I think you are being a little silly here comparing IV treatment ( which was something that was newly banned ) to taking a diuretic. B.J. didn't get caught. He never failed any test. He admitted to who ever was giving the test, he took an IV when out of competition. Giving his past ... Speaking against IV use and out right refusing to use one to rehyrate after cuts I find it highly unlikely he was trying to gain an edge. B.J. would have ( Did ? ) pass his test and the fight would have went on with no one being the wiser if he didn't admit to using an IV out of competition.

Spoiler

"After my fight got cancelled, a couple of fighters invited me to come down to Dallas with them to meet with these same doctors. I thought, ‘why not' as I have had prior concussions, I deal with vertigo, and well you have seen how many times I have been hit during my career. I figured if there was any chance that this could help my vertigo, motion sickness or maybe even improve my vision, as I have a lens from a previous cataract, then this was a good thing.

"We were doing some of the different exercises for vision, motion sickness, and vertigo and then, following my physical, one of the doctors suggested that I take a glutathione IV. They said that after doing a physical on me and taking a look at my symptoms, a glutathione IV would be great for me. They told me that having the glutathione administered through an IV would be the best way for my body to absorb the antioxidant."

"So the first thing I told them was that I am signed up with USADA year-round, so we have to take a look at their banned substances list, and make sure there is nothing in there," Penn said. "We went through the banned substance list, and of course, glutathione was not on the list.

"Once we discovered that nothing in the IV was on the banned substance list, I let the doctor administer the IV. I was so focused on USADA's banned substance list that I never gave any thought to the IV except for the fact that sometimes people had used them after weigh-ins before a fight."

"Of course they are for wimps when the IV is being used to rehydrate a fighter, who has nearly killed himself cutting weight, so that he can fight a smaller man," said Penn. "If you are using an IV for that purpose, then of course you are a wimp, and I'll tell anyone that to their face.

"On the other hand, if someone gets in a bad car accident and needs an IV for a blood transfusion, am I going to call them a wimp? Of course not. That absolutely outrageous, you know. Seriously, who am I addressing here? This is a first-grade conversation. I'm sorry if I offended any haters or fans of fighters who have to take IV's, so that they can fight smaller men, and not get cut from the UFC, but it is what it is."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/6/1...-use-of-the-iv-that-forced-him-out-of-ufc-199

On the other hand this is Cyborg second failed test. This time it was for a diuretic which is used not only for cutting weight but also used for masking other PED's. I am also of the belief that using a diuretic is just as bad as using any PED to gain an advantage. Using an IV to rehydrate going into a fight is also very bad IMO but that is not what B.J. done.

I am not saying she took any PED's or that she wasn't justified in using the substance that was banned just that the different outlook for the two fighters is justified.

Also from my understandig B.J. doesn't have much to do with running the B.J. Penn website. His involvement may have picked up some during his "retirement" but that is just speculation.

 

[OzExorcist]

*shrugs*

I'll say it again: BJ Penn's doctor gave him a treatment that was non-performance enhancing, out of competition, but something used for cutting weight that can also help to mask PEDs, which is banned by WADA, and people seem to want to give him a pass for it.

Cyborg's doctor gave her a treatment that was non-performance enhancing, out of competition, but something used for cutting weight that can also help to mask PEDs, which is banned by WADA, and nobody wants to give her a pass for it.

I don't think it makes any difference that Penn self-reported or that it was an IV not a diuritic - again the biggest difference I can see is that Penn definitely should have known that IVs were banned. I don't care if he doesn't have much to do with the day to day running of his website, he'd have to have been deliberately avoiding any and all MMA news for about six months straight to have missed all the coverage of the IV ban. It was a Big Effing Deal.

FWIW I'm not at all advocating for Cyborg to be let off on this one: quite the opposite, I'm all for throwing the book at her. I'm just saying it's patently hypocritical to want to give BJ Penn a pass here and not Cyborg.

 

[underdog140]

Your *shrugs* doesn't change the truth. Just like anything .. the devil is in the details.

Cyborg ... busted before and many suspect her of PED use. Her reasons may be valid for this second failed test but she will receive greater scrutiny and people will be suspect because of her physic and past failed test.

Total failed test = two

B.J. - Publicly ridicules fighters who use PED and IV's ( to rehydrate ) admits to using an IV out of competition during a time when IV were newly banned. Should he have known they were banned .. Yes ... Did he ... apparently not. The man admitted to using one when all he had to do was keep his mouth shut and his fight would have went on as planned.

Total failed test = 0

It is obvious why one fighter would get a harder time over the other.

This is coming from a Cyborg fan.

You mentioned the B.J. Penn webpage, which is why I mentioned he doesn't have much to do with running it. Maby he was avoiding media at that time .. who knows. Certainly not me or you.

 

[Blackout09]

WHos watching UFC 207 This Friday? 2 Title Matches. I say both defend their titles.

 

[OzExorcist]

Penn fanboys gonna fanboy I guess

 

[underdog140]

Haters gonna hate I guess

Cyborg 2 failed test

Penn 0 failed test

If you can't see why one would get a harder time over the other than no amount of me explaining why is going to change your mind.

WHos watching UFC 207 This Friday? 2 Title Matches. I say both defend their titles.

I am interested to see what the PPV numbers are going to be. I suspect most in this thread will be watching.

 

[andyt5303]

What about KO/Submission of the year candidates for 2016??

KO for me - Vannata's spinning heel kick at UFC 206, that was pretty damn sweet. Another contender is MVP's flying knee against Cyborg in London, one of the most brutal injuries I've ever seen!

As far as subs go id probably go with Miesha Tate against Holm at 196, not so much for the technicality but the enormity of it. Tate being down on the cards and needing to finish the fight, Holm barely putting a foot wrong all fight and she pulled it off in round 5 for the belt! Holm literally going out punching. Probably one of my favourite fights of 2016.

 

[andyt5303]

Also Ariel Helwani just tweeted that Dana has confirmed UFC 207 will be Mike Goldberg's last UFC broadcast, not announced who will take on his role yet.

 

[OzExorcist]

Also Ariel Helwani just tweeted that Dana has confirmed UFC 207 will be Mike Goldberg's last UFC broadcast, not announced who will take on his role yet.

Wooooooooooohoooooooooooooooo! And who said 2016 was all bad news...

 

[we will rock you]

fight of the year for me was the swanson fight

 

[underdog140]

Also Ariel Helwani just tweeted that Dana has confirmed UFC 207 will be Mike Goldberg's last UFC broadcast, not announced who will take on his role yet.

Bummer .... I know he makes mistakes but I would rather the man keep his job.

 

[Blackout09]

Bummer .... I know he makes mistakes but I would rather the man keep his job.

Yeah Mike Goldberg was alright. WHos gonna replace him? Florian? Stan? Does anyone know?

 

[OzExorcist]

Yeah Mike Goldberg was alright. WHos gonna replace him? Florian? Stan? Does anyone know?

It's more likely to be someone like Jon Anik if they use someone on the current roster, as both Florian and Stann are typically used as "color" commentators (same role as Joe Rogan). Stann has already been the guy they've chosen to cover for Rogan in a few spots since he's wound his schedule back.

New ownership could go in a whole different direction though.

I was gonna post a link to that one NFL game he commentated because it was easily the most entertaining thing he's ever done, but it seems to have been purged from YouTube. So instead let's enjoy some of his less-fine moments:

 

[underdog140]

Yeah Mike Goldberg was alright. WHos gonna replace him? Florian? Stan? Does anyone know?

Jim Rome name has been mentioned a few times.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/12/17/13991088/ufc-jim-rome-mike-goldberg-sonnen-announcer-mma-news

https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/814219042772885504

Video below of Dana confirming Mike Goldberg is getting replaced. I liked the Rogan / Mike dual. It's unfortunate that it's coming to an end.

Although Goldberg messes up sometimes I believe he is intentionally being messed with in some of his mess ups. Looks like he reads from a projector / cue cards or something similar.

 

[we will rock you]

mangy and hendricks both missed weight

 

[FastOne]

Also Ariel Helwani just tweeted that Dana has confirmed UFC 207 will be Mike Goldberg's last UFC broadcast, not announced who will take on his role yet.

Wooooooooooohoooooooooooooooo! And who said 2016 was all bad news...

I wouldn't be happy just yet. It all depends on who replaces him. Could get better or could get worse.

 

[FastOne]

mangy and hendricks both missed weight

FS1 Prelims – 8 pm ET/5 pm PT
Johny Hendricks (173.5) vs Neil Magny (171)

Johny Hendricks did miss weight by 2.50 pounds, but Magny didn't miss weight, right on the limit for a non title fight, which is 1 pound over the division limit (170+1).

 

[Poker Orifice]

Rhonda was like a deer in headlights. I had bet against her but I didn't think it was going to be anything like that.

 

[OzExorcist]

And despite that happening, I think Dominic Cruz losing was still the biggest shock of the card...

 

[underdog140]

I don't think Ronda has recovered from her loss to Holly Holm and never will with this recent loss piled on top of it. She looked horrible. Looked like a deer in headlights. She badly needs to go to another camp and start to implement the double leg. I felt bad for her watching that.

Retirement like Tate might be her next move which is crazy considering one is 29 and the other 30. WMMA has come a long way in a short period of time.

That being said .. she is the reason WMMA was brought to the UFC when it was and will always be the first dominant UFC WMMA champion. She cemented her place in history.

Dana could always give her a gimmie fight at 145lbs that will lead her into a 145lb title shot. She won't have to worry about fighting Cyborg for awhile.

 

[PLAYFUL1]

3 million doughlars just for showing up for 48 seconds wtg Rhonda Rousey so much interest so little fight

 

[Poker Orifice]

3 million doughlars just for showing up for 48 seconds wtg Rhonda Rousey so much interest so little fight

Yah ok.... but what does PLayful say?

 

[catchitfool]

ronda got her ass handed to her 48 seconds 3 million + not a bad day

 

[NateVest]

Really, the loss in the Rousey fight made me think she is only taking these last fights for the purse.