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how long are they gonna let that ******** ***** ****** ***** mother ******* connor hold on to that belt that he is never going to defend?
i get they wanted him to hold 2 belts bull**** sham and lie to the stupid fans but enough is enough.
quit holding up the division.

also, are they going to give khabib the title shot that mcgregor stole from him or what?
 
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also, lol why does ufc even bother with rankings anymore?
 
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Nope, in other words you obviously didn't see the fight if you are holding it up as an example of his skill level. At least watch the fight if you want to be taken seriously. When you do eventually watch it you will actually be embarrassed at how stupid your point is with regard to Guida and RDA. Obviously taking your info direct from the likes of wikipedia or sherdog.

Let it go man .. your just wrong. You keep picking different points to argue. You can take away the RDA win and Guida would still be the more impressive fighter to have a win over.


MMA forums?? Let me guess. Sherdog again?? Haha. Yeah because most of his fans are on mma forums. :rolleyes: Dont buy into everything you read on the internet.

Even if you sincerely believed Mendes had a tougher road to the title then you surely can't deny that every other challenger Aldo fought had it a lot easier than McGregor!!


What about Edgar, Lamas, Hominick??

You're deluded mate.

No, most fans aren't on MMA forums but the more informed ones are.

What do you mean Sherdog again .. you are the only one that mentioned the name Sherdog in this thread.

MMA Forum(s) ... the fans I know personally. The general consensus, regardless if you are a Fan of Conor or not is he been shown favoritism and gifted title shots.

The only deluded person here is you, if you can't even admit that.

I already explained Edgar. He was the 155lb champion and lost two controversial title fights ( one he lost the belt and then the rematch ). Winning the 155lb belt and then losing two controversial decisions sounds like a tougher road than beating Denis Siver and Poirier to me.

Hominick was on a roll with a 5 fight win streak. Winning his last fight very impressively if I remember correctly via KO. This was all going on around the same time as the FOX deal was taking place or just got finished and he was featured in some big conferences representing the UFC. So the UFC try'd to give him a "push" and it didn't work out for him. Him being one of the few top Canadian fighters in the UFC helped also. The 145lb division being shallow compared to what it is today also helped.

I am just going to stop there .. I am not going to do a run down of everyone who has ever fought at 145lbs for you.
 
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how long are they gonna let that ******** ***** ****** ***** mother ******* connor hold on to that belt that he is never going to defend?
i get they wanted him to hold 2 belts bull**** sham and lie to the stupid fans but enough is enough.
quit holding up the division.

also, are they going to give khabib the title shot that mcgregor stole from him or what?


If they let him keep the belt and he has another fight out of the 145lb division it would be nothing sort of comical.

Nate Diaz is most likely Conor next defense at 155lbs. Even though he has already shown he can beat Conor, He is the safest fight for UFC/Conor to go with ( that can be made look like a legit defense ) so it is likely the fight they pick for him.
 
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Let it go man .. your just wrong. You keep picking different points to argue. You can take away the RDA win and Guida would still be the more impressive fighter to have a win over.

You can not be serious. Besides his win over Pettis he has a brilliantly lack lustre career. Probably one the most one dimensional fighters of all time.

Watch the fight man and see if you still think his win over RDA is worth anything.

No, most fans aren't on MMA forums but the more informed ones are.

Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read from you on this thread, and that's saying something.



I already explained Edgar. He was the 155lb champion and lost two controversial title fights ( one he lost the belt and then the rematch ). Winning the 155lb belt and then losing two controversial decisions sounds like a tougher road than beating Denis Siver and Poirier to me.

Edgar got a title shot in his very first fight at featherweight. How does that even equate to McGregor beating 5 in a row including the #5 ranked guy??
Edgar got a bum deal at LW but not fighting at all and walking into a title shot is never tougher than fighting five fights to get it.

Hominick was on a roll with a 5 fight win streak. Winning his last fight very impressively if I remember correctly via KO. This was all going on around the same time as the FOX deal was taking place or just got finished and he was featured in some big conferences representing the UFC. So the UFC try'd to give him a "push" and it didn't work out for him. Him being one of the few top Canadian fighters in the UFC helped also. The 145lb division being shallow compared to what it is today also helped.

You would seriously rate his 5 fight streak more deserving than McGregors of a title shot??

The highlight of his career up to then was probably his win over Bryan Carraway. And even that was probably as good as it ever got for him.
 
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If they let him keep the belt and he has another fight out of the 145lb division it would be nothing sort of comical.

Nate Diaz is most likely Conor next defense at 155lbs. Even though he has already shown he can beat Conor, He is the safest fight for UFC/Conor to go with ( that can be made look like a legit defense ) so it is likely the fight they pick for him.

LOL. This just gets better and better!! Your making excuses for a fight that hasn't even happened yet!! Or even been booked!!

You're really taking the McGOAT-hate to interstellar levels.
 
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My favorite UFC fighter is Dominick Cruz

You have good taste in fighters :)

how long are they gonna let that ******** ***** ****** ***** mother ******* connor hold on to that belt that he is never going to defend?
i get they wanted him to hold 2 belts bull**** sham and lie to the stupid fans but enough is enough.
quit holding up the division.

Just a friendly reminder, they call it the fight business because it's a business. When you accept that and stop thinking about it like a more traditional sporting league with purely merit-based standings and playoffs and whatnot, life becomes a lot less aggravating ;)

On your other point about the rankings BTW I completely agree, they're nonsense - especially now that pretty much every reputable MMA media outlet that was involved in generating them started boycotting the process.

I can kind of see why they thought they needed to introduce them, but at the same time I don't think it was a great idea on their part. It just creates a whole lot of unnecessary drama when they ignore them and just make the fights they were always going to make anyway.

also, are they going to give khabib the title shot that mcgregor stole from him or what?

Who knows LOL. Though I will just say one more time, McGregor and the UFC do have a legit concern when it comes to Khabib staying healthy and keeping the fights he's booked for. And there's a huge difference between pulling out of a main event against McGregor that's expected to do a million-plus PPV buys, and a mid-card fight against Donald Cerrone or Tony Ferguson.

Now just to be clear, I think Khabib is an awesome figher and the match would be exciting as hell. And you could criticise Conor for "ducking" Khabib - the guy's not stupid, if he's got multiple fights in front of him, each of which looks good from a business perspective, of course he's gonna choose the one that's a slightly better style matchup in the cage.

But you can't just ignore the fact that this is the big-business end of the sport. When someone pulls out of a McGregor fight, the company is flushing truckloads of money down the toilet just on the marketing spend alone. It's naive in the extreme if you don't think that's a real concern for everyone involved in making this decision.
 
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You can not be serious. Besides his win over Pettis he has a brilliantly lack lustre career. Probably one the most one dimensional fighters of all time.

And with all that said he is still a better win. He has other notable wins also. Including one over Nate Diaz.

Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read from you on this thread, and that's saying something.

How so ? Outside the people behind the scenes, who would have more information about what is going on in MMA ... People on the internet and MMA forums or those that aren't. Answer is obvious to me.


Edgar got a title shot in his very first fight at featherweight. How does that even equate to McGregor beating 5 in a row including the #5 ranked guy??
Edgar got a bum deal at LW but not fighting at all and walking into a title shot is never tougher than fighting five fights to get it.

You just don't get it. His LW run is the reason for his FW title shot. His LW run is tougher than what Conor had to go through. As I said previously .. being champion in the division above and dropping down = automatic title shot or number one contenders match. Many still seen Edgar at the 155lb champion but because he already lost two controversial decisions ... Dana wasn't going to set that fight back up again. So down he goes to FW to challenge for the FW title. He 100 % deserved to fight for the FW title when he moved down.



You would seriously rate his 5 fight streak more deserving than McGregors of a title shot??

The highlight of his career up to then was probably his win over Bryan Carraway. And even that was probably as good as it ever got for him.

I never said he was more deserving ... I didn't claim Hominick had a tough road either. The division was allot more shallow then compared to it's current state so it stands to reason you would need to do less to validate a title shot. Plus everything else I already pointed out in my previous post.

LOL. This just gets better and better!! Your making excuses for a fight that hasn't even happened yet!! Or even been booked!!

You're really taking the McGOAT-hate to interstellar levels.

I think you need to look up the word excuse. And once again .. I don't hate Conor.

I am just pointing out the truth. So you are ok with Conor fighting again outside of the 145lb division and still getting to keep the belt ? It would be his fourth consecutive fight out of the division. That would be nothing short of comical to me.
 
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Anyone will watch tonight UFC Fight Night: Bader vs. Nogueira 2?
 
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And with all that said he is still a better win. He has other notable wins also. Including one over Nate Diaz.

Jesus, when did he beat Diaz? 2009? 2010? By the time he fought Mendes, he was a spent force. Since then I think he has won 2 from his last 5 or 6 fights. Dont even try and compare the Guida that (barely) beat Diaz to the Guida that fought Mendes. Guida is a prime example of a fighter that just doesn't know when to retire. Right now he is probably 1 loss away from being cut.


How so ? Outside the people behind the scenes, who would have more information about what is going on in MMA ... People on the internet and MMA forums or those that aren't. Answer is obvious to me.

Well you actually specified MMA forums in your post and not just people on the internet. Most (probably 90%) of the guys I train with are not members of any MMA forums and they know just as much and more about MMA current affairs as anyone that is.




You just don't get it. His LW run is the reason for his FW title shot. His LW run is tougher than what Conor had to go through. As I said previously .. being champion in the division above and dropping down = automatic title shot or number one contenders match. Many still seen Edgar at the 155lb champion but because he already lost two controversial decisions ... Dana wasn't going to set that fight back up again. So down he goes to FW to challenge for the FW title. He 100 % deserved to fight for the FW title when he moved down.

A LW run in which he was 1-2-1 in his last 4? LOL yeah that sounds like a guy that deserves a shot alright.

And you keep specifying 'moving down' in weight class? Do champions moving up not deserve a title shot or no 1 contenders match up?





I never said he was more deserving ... I didn't claim Hominick had a tough road either. The division was allot more shallow then compared to it's current state so it stands to reason you would need to do less to validate a title shot. Plus everything else I already pointed out in my previous post.


It would actually break your heart to give McGregor any credit at all!! Beats #5,#10,#1 and the champ and they still be hatin!! Haha



I think you need to look up the word excuse. And once again .. I don't hate Conor.

I am just pointing out the truth. So you are ok with Conor fighting again outside of the 145lb division and still getting to keep the belt ? It would be his fourth consecutive fight out of the division. That would be nothing short of comical to me.

Never said he would or should fight outside of the FW division next. Just pointing out that you are bitching a fight that has not even been made yet and most likely wont be for another 3-6 months.
 
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To be fair though, it's pretty hard not to look good against Little Nog these days... the guy is tough as old boots, and much respect, but it's pretty clearly time for him to hang up the gloves.
 
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Anyone will watch tonight UFC Fight Night: Bader vs. Nogueira 2?

Nope, I went one better and I was AT UFC Belfast last night. Some good fights and some not as good.

McGregor was there to support his team mates, Charlie Ward and Artem Lobov. Was awesome to see him so animated after Artems fantastic and unexpected win. Neither Artem or Charlie would have been signed by the UFC if it wasn't for Conor.

He looks after his friends.
 
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Jesus, when did he beat Diaz? 2009? 2010? By the time he fought Mendes, he was a spent force. Since then I think he has won 2 from his last 5 or 6 fights. Dont even try and compare the Guida that (barely) beat Diaz to the Guida that fought Mendes. Guida is a prime example of a fighter that just doesn't know when to retire. Right now he is probably 1 loss away from being cut.

I don't care when he got the win .. he got it. It still adds to his "legacy" regardless of when it happened. Guida on paper is a better win. Instead of trying to tear down Guida how about tell me what has Poirier done to be considered the better win over Guida ?


Well you actually specified MMA forums in your post and not just people on the internet. Most (probably 90%) of the guys I train with are not members of any MMA forums and they know just as much and more about MMA current affairs as anyone that is.

I did say forums. I guess I should have been more clear.


A LW run in which he was 1-2-1 in his last 4? LOL yeah that sounds like a guy that deserves a shot alright.

Seriously....

No I mean a man that that only had 1 loss in 17 fights before the two controversial title fights he had. 11 of them fights being in the UFC. Beating the LW Goat two times in the processes and avenging a loss. Allot viewed Aldo vs Edgar as a Super Fight at the time because many felt Edgar should still have the LW belt.

And you keep specifying 'moving down' in weight class? Do champions moving up not deserve a title shot or no 1 contenders match up?

Size matters, it is much more likely that if you are a top contender / champion in a higher weight class and drop down you will likely see the same success in the lower weight class.

Plus Circumstances surrounding Edgar going down and Conor moving up are much different. Edgar was not getting another shot at the LW title because of those two controversial decisions. Conor on the other hand had Aldo waiting for a rematch ... Edgar was also waiting and deserving of a title shot. Conor did not defend the belt even once and then moved up and went 1-1 with Nate Diaz and then was granted a title shot at LW. Vastly different scenarios.


It would actually break your heart to give McGregor any credit at all!! Beats #5,#10,#1 and the champ and they still be hatin!! Haha

What does the above have to do with what you quoted ? I give Conor lots of credit. He is a very smart man who knows how to promote himself. He is also a very good fighter. He would have to be to win the FW and LW belts. Regardless of how he got those fights .. he got them and won.


Never said he would or should fight outside of the FW division next. Just pointing out that you are bitching a fight that has not even been made yet and most likely wont be for another 3-6 months.

Just speaking the truth. Diaz is likely his next fight. It's his easiest opponent and likely makes him and the UFC the most money. Not sure how that is bitching.

6 months is the earliest we see him back imo.

To be fair though, it's pretty hard not to look good against Little Nog these days... the guy is tough as old boots, and much respect, but it's pretty clearly time for him to hang up the gloves.

I thought he was done for awhile. I remember thinking Tito was going to beat him when they fought. He proved me wrong on that one. No doubt about it .. he is a tough man.
 
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BJ Penn now making his comeback in January against Yair Rodriguez: http://mmajunkie.com/2016/11/hall-o...-fight-night-103-in-phoenix-vs-yair-rodriguez

This means one of two things, and I can't for the life of me work out which: they either want to put Rodriguez over, or someone in UFC matchmaking really doesn't like BJ Penn...

It is a better match up than his previous return fight that got canned. B.J. has a shot.

But overall I agree ... He needs to be in there with another Vet with some name value. Denis Siver was the perfect guy. But if for some reason he isn't available why not set up B.J. vs Maynard or Guida. These were the guys that were in the LW division while B.J. was on top. Lets see them face each other while they are at the end of their careers. Much more intriguing match ups to me.
 
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BJ Penn now making his comeback in January against Yair Rodriguez: http://mmajunkie.com/2016/11/hall-o...-fight-night-103-in-phoenix-vs-yair-rodriguez

This means one of two things, and I can't for the life of me work out which: they either want to put Rodriguez over, or someone in UFC matchmaking really doesn't like BJ Penn...

Yeah I really don't get this match up at all. Why put him up against a guy like Yair Rodriguez?! It's mental! I guess it'll be an intriguing fight nevertheless.

However I think this is a sign of things to come under the new owners - fights that sell over fights that make sense. It's a matter of time until Mcgregor v Diaz III is announced for the 155lb title!
 
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Yeah I really don't get this match up at all. Why put him up against a guy like Yair Rodriguez?! It's mental! I guess it'll be an intriguing fight nevertheless.

However I think this is a sign of things to come under the new owners - fights that sell over fights that make sense. It's a matter of time until Mcgregor v Diaz III is announced for the 155lb title!

N'yeah... that's the problem though - I don't think this fight is particularly intriguing. I expect Rodriguez will do the violence to Penn and it won't even be close.

Rodriguez isn't a particularly well-known fighter though, so this match is getting sold on the value of Penn's name alone. If they're going to do that they could have had him fight literally anyone.

The only context in which this fight makes sense is if they're just sacrificing Penn to Rodriguez in order to build his name value. I think that's an awful thing to be doing to Penn, but worse than that I don't actually know how much benefit Rodriguez would get from beating a broken-down BJ Penn anyway. Best case scenario he styles on Penn, takes an easy victory and everybody just says "so what - we already knew BJ Penn was shot".

As for booking "fights that sell over fights that make sense", that's not something that's just happened under the new ownership. Zuffa were doing the same thing for years.

Anyone who thinks undeserved title shots and money-first matchmaking is a new thing is ignoring stuff like 2-1 Brock Lesnar fighting for the heavyweight title just 18 months after his pro debut. McGregor's title shots don't look so bad in retrospect now, do they? :p
 
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No, his title shots still look bad.

Regarding Penn

I don't think the UFC is trying to sacrifice Penn or use him to boost an up and coming fighter. I think Penn is just too stubborn to accept a fight with someone that isn't in or near the top 10. He is gunning for a title shot to become the first 3 division champion. If he gets this win expect to see him against a top 5 guy. I would be willing to bet he asked for someone like this. Looks like he hasn't learned from his past mistakes. I think it's a winnable fight for B.J. but he should have started with a lower ranked vet.

Is Penn back training himself ?
 
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He's still training out of Jackson-Wink AFAIK

And if Penn asked for a matchup like this then the athletic commission shouldn't clear him to fight - he's clearly been hit in the head too many times already.
 
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I don't care when he got the win .. he got it. It still adds to his "legacy" regardless of when it happened. Guida on paper is a better win. Instead of trying to tear down Guida how about tell me what has Poirier done to be considered the better win over Guida ?

Well he hadn't gotten a spanking off Henderson for a start, which guida had gotten. And also lost to Gray Maynard. That was probably the start of the downhill rush for him. Poirier was a very much a fighter on the up when he faced McGregor. And is till

You can talk all you want about Siver/Poirier & Lentz/Guida, but McGregor fought and beat the higher ranked and better fighter in poirier, no question.

And not only that but also proved he was deserving of the interim title by beating Mendes and then beating Aldo.

The results speak for themselves.




Seriously....

No I mean a man that that only had 1 loss in 17 fights before the two controversial title fights he had. 11 of them fights being in the UFC. Beating the LW Goat two times in the processes and avenging a loss. Allot viewed Aldo vs Edgar as a Super Fight at the time because many felt Edgar should still have the LW belt.



Size matters, it is much more likely that if you are a top contender / champion in a higher weight class and drop down you will likely see the same success in the lower weight class.

Plus Circumstances surrounding Edgar going down and Conor moving up are much different. Edgar was not getting another shot at the LW title because of those two controversial decisions. Conor on the other hand had Aldo waiting for a rematch ... Edgar was also waiting and deserving of a title shot. Conor did not defend the belt even once and then moved up and went 1-1 with Nate Diaz and then was granted a title shot at LW. Vastly different scenarios.

You're basically saying that there are different circumstances apply when a fighter moves down a weight as opposed to moving up? Do you even realise how unbelievably stupid that sounds?

I dont know your background in MMA but even if you just use the UFC as an example, there are many many instances of fighters enjoying a lot of success after they move up in weight class.

What does the above have to do with what you quoted ? I give Conor lots of credit. He is a very smart man who knows how to promote himself. He is also a very good fighter. He would have to be to win the FW and LW belts. Regardless of how he got those fights .. he got them and won.

LOL yeah, he won the titles alright but he should never have got the shots is basically what you're saying!!

Yeah sure mate you give him lots of credit. Its ok though, there are millions more bitter begrudgers out there!!




Just speaking the truth. Diaz is likely his next fight. It's his easiest opponent and likely makes him and the UFC the most money. Not sure how that is bitching.

How do you know this?? Has there been anything from anyone to indicate that Diaz is more likely an opponent than anyone else? Pure and utter speculation fuelled by your dislike and disdain for McGregor.



6 months is the earliest we see him back imo.

Yup, as I said, we wont see an announcement made on any fight for at least 3-6 months.
 
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Well he hadn't gotten a spanking off Henderson for a start, which guida had gotten. And also lost to Gray Maynard. That was probably the start of the downhill rush for him. Poirier was a very much a fighter on the up when he faced McGregor. And is till

So you have no way to do so then.

Also Maynard was a top contender when Guida lost to him. His two fights prior to beating Guida were both title fights ... one of them being a draw. It was after the Guida fight Maynard went on his downward spiral.



You can talk all you want about Siver/Poirier & Lentz/Guida, but McGregor fought and beat the higher ranked and better fighter in poirier, no question.

And not only that but also proved he was deserving of the interim title by beating Mendes and then beating Aldo.

You're basically saying that there are different circumstances apply when a fighter moves down a weight as opposed to moving up? Do you even realise how unbelievably stupid that sounds?

I am saying exactly that. Size matters. It is more likely that you will be a contender in a lower weight class if you are a contender in a higher weight class but decide to drop down then vise versa.

If two champions fight it is more impressive seeing the lower weight champion win than it is seeing the higher weight champion win .. Is it not ?


I dont know your background in MMA but even if you just use the UFC as an example, there are many many instances of fighters enjoying a lot of success after they move up in weight class.

I never said the lower weight guy moving up couldn't be successful .... they could be .. it is just less likely. I never said there are not instances of it happening or it couldn't be done. Again size matters .. if it didn't we wouldn't need weight classes.

As for my background. If you are asking me if I competed ... I wrestled for a few years.



LOL yeah, he won the titles alright but he should never have got the shots is basically what you're saying!!

Yeah sure mate you give him lots of credit. Its ok though, there are millions more bitter begrudgers out there!!

He shouldn't of got the title shots. He was giving the FW title shot after the Siver match not the Mendes fight. The Mendes fight was his title shot. You can maby argue the FW shot because Aldo beat everyone else but its shaky at best.

There is absolutely no way he deserved the LW shot after not defending his FW title and going 1-1 with Nate.


How do you know this?? Has there been anything from anyone to indicate that Diaz is more likely an opponent than anyone else? Pure and utter speculation fuelled by your dislike and disdain for McGregor.

I don't know it. Which is why I said likely ...... Time will tell. I was just speculating his next move.


Just step back and take a look at what happened. We just watched the "FW Champion" vs the LW Champion. Both had 0 title defenses. One went 1-1 in their last two fights. There was no reason for this fight to happen. Tell me how this shot was deserved. It was nothing more than a money grab and UFC giving Conor what he wanted.
 
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He shouldn't of got the title shots. He was giving the FW title shot after the Siver match not the Mendes fight. The Mendes fight was his title shot. You can maby argue the FW shot because Aldo beat everyone else but its shaky at best.

Yeah that's one of the things people seem to forget - Aldo had literally beaten every other contender in the division. Twice, in the case of Chad Mendes. Nobody at the time had any reasonable expectation of rematches with Edgar or Swanson going differently (which is why there was that aborted talk of Aldo moving up to 155 in the first plac). So even if Conor wasn't, y'know, Conor he probably still would've got a shot at the title because really, who else was going to get it?

I'm honestly wondering, who would you need to have seen Conor beat before getting his shot to think it was "deserved"? Mendes? Edgar? Swanson? Two of those three? All three of them?

And who was Aldo supposed to fight in the meantime?

The reality is McGregor had a stronger record and a much longer win streak coming into the initial Aldo fight (that became the Mendes fight) than either Ricardo Lamas or Chan Sung Jung when they fought Aldo for the title.

Was it the strongest, most "deserved", ironclad claim to a title shot in the history of the sport? No, of course not - but those are more rare than I think you're caring to admit. Could they have made Conor get another win before fighting Aldo? Sure, if they hated money AND they had someone else credible for Aldo to fight. But neither of those things were the case.

So let's not pretend it was a horrible call or something that hasn't happened dozens of times before in the sport. Champions need challengers and Conor made sense. And as I mentioned earlier with Lesnar, it's not even close to the most egregious example of someone getting a title shot just because it'd do big business...
 
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I disagree, people wanted the Edgar rematch. As for Brock and his undeserved shot. Two wrongs don't make a right. I didn't say the UFC didn't give out undeserved shots in the past. I pointed out Conor got 1 / possibly two undeserved shots. A weak case can be made for his FW shot.

Yous do realize Denis Siver was ranked around 14th before the Conor fight was announced and then once it got announced he got bumped to 10th. His top 10 win over Siver is fabricated. How do you go from fighting the 10th - 14th ranked guy to a title shot ?

I think he would have deserved the shot after beating a top contender who had time to train. For instance if the Conor vs Mendes was the original fight set up and Conor got the win than he would have earned his shot based on merit and not what money he can generate and a the reasoning of ... Aldo beat everyone else.
 
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