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[underdog140]

Post above confirms two things.

1. You have a massive hate-erection for McGregor.

2. You're very ignorant of the way MMA has changed if you are really trying to stack up BJ Penn against McGregor. Totally different times.

Also FWIW, McGregor earned his title shot after beating the #5 ranked Poirier as well as the #10 ranked Siver. At the time Aldo had already fought and beaten the rest of the then top 5 (Mendes, Edgar, Swanson & Lamas). Anyone having a go at McGregor's path to title shold maybe have a look at the path by his nearest rivals at the time when they got there title shots.

Frankie got a shot coming off 2 losses, when he was a divisional newcomer with NO previous fights in the FW division. Yes thats right, he got a title shot in his first fight at FW.

Mendes first title shot came off a string of decision wins against 3 cans, and his second title shot came after beating the #8 and #9 ranked contenders in Lentz and Guida.

If you include Mendes then Conor beat the #5, #10 & #1 ranked contenders in that order on his route to the undisputed title. If you think still Conor had an easier route to the title shot than either of those two named above then youare just blatantly ignoring the truth.

I have no hate towards Conor. Your delusion towards him just won't let you see the truth. B.J. has already done what Conor is trying to do. And no kidding it was different times. There wasn't a FW division back then. It still doesn't change anything that I said. B.J. fought the absolute best there was back then regardless of weight class while conor has gone 1-1 with Nate Diaz and has yet to defend either of his titles.

Here is an other fun fact for you ...

UFC 41

B.J. Penn and Uno fought for the LW belt. The fight ended in a draw. So it can be argued Penn was the co-lightweight champion at that time as well. This also was a controversial fight that many thought B.J. won.

Edger got the the title shot at 145lbs because he was the former 155lb champion and the two loses you speak of were 155lb title fights that were controversial. It is not odd or strange that a champion or top contender in higher weight class gets a title shot or number one contenders match when they drop down to a lower weight class. What is odd though is UFC and company allowing a champion who has yet to defend their belt move up in weight go 1-1 and then fight for a title in a division he has never competed in before in the UFC.

Lentz and Guida are both tougher fights than Denis Siver.

 

[Rincewind]

I have no hate towards Conor. Your delusion towards him just won't let you see the truth. B.J. has already done what Conor is trying to do. And no kidding it was different times. There wasn't a FW division back then. It still doesn't change anything that I said. B.J. fought the absolute best there was back then regardless of weight class while conor has gone 1-1 with Nate Diaz and has yet to defend either of his titles.

Here is an other fun fact for you ...

UFC 41

B.J. Penn and Uno fought for the LW belt. The fight ended in a draw. So it can be argued Penn was the co-lightweight champion at that time as well. This also was a controversial fight that many thought B.J. won.

Edger got the the title shot at 145lbs because he was the former 155lb champion and the two loses you speak of were 155lb title fights that were controversial. It is not odd or strange that a champion or top contender in higher weight class gets a title shot or number one contenders match when they drop down to a lower weight class. What is odd though is UFC and company allowing a champion who has yet to defend their belt move up in weight go 1-1 and then fight for a title in a division he has never competed in before in the UFC.

Lentz and Guida are both tougher fights than Denis Siver.

Constant non stop excuses from you. Comical!! But also a bit sad. :-(

Were Lentz and Guida both tougher fights than Dustin Poirier? Nope, not even close. Guida was probably on a par with Siver. Certainly not a lot better than him. Conor did a lot more to earn a FW title shot than any of Aldos previous challengers.

I would defy you, here and now to name (and prove) one FW challenger that had a tougher route to a UFC title shot than McGregor. Protip: You cant with out bullshitting.

Mendes didn't even beat a top 5 contender to get a shot (both times). Of the rest, for the most part, most of em barely had 2 consecutive wins.

Korean Zombie possibly earned his shot in fairness after beating Hominick (I think) and an unranked (at the time) Poirier. Dont make me laugh with the rest though. Not one of em even came close to McGregor.

 

[underdog140]

I don't need excuses. None of these accomplishments are mine. I am simply pointing out facts.

What is sad is your complete nut-hugging of Conor. I am not the only poster that has pointed that out to you. But yet you go on blissfully pretending like you don't.


Guida is without a doubt >>> a win then Denis Siver. He has wins over Anthony Pettis and Dos Anjos to name a couple.

Let me lay some more truth on you.

Conor was giving a title shot after beating Denis Siver ... not after beating Mendes. ... He only fought Mendes because he was a late replacement. So Conor's shot was based on beating an ageing Denis Siver that UFC strangely had ranked 10th for some reason.

Mendes was on an 6 fight win streak with Zuffa and undefeated before getting his first shot. He then had to win 5 in a row with the last two being against Guida and Lentz before getting another shot. But your right it is much tougher to beat an ageing Denis Siver to get to a title shot or go 1-1 with a win one lose one fighter and get a title shot vs what Mendes accomplished. Your nut-hugging is acting up again.

 

[Rincewind]

What is sad is your complete nut-hugging of Conor. I am not the only poster that has pointed that out to you. But yet you go on blissfully pretending like you don't.




Guida is without a doubt >>> a win then Denis Siver. He has wins over Anthony Pettis and Dos Anjos to name a couple.

Let me lay some more truth on you.

Conor was giving a title shot after beating Denis Siver ... not after beating Mendes. ... He only fought Mendes because he was a late replacement. So Conor's shot was based on beating an ageing Denis Siver that UFC strangely had ranked 10th for some reason.

Mendes was on an 6 fight win streak with Zuffa and undefeated before getting his first shot. He then had to win 5 in a row with the last two being against Guida and Lentz before getting another shot. But your right it is much tougher to beat an ageing Denis Siver to get to a title shot or go 1-1 with a win one lose one fighter and get a title shot vs what Mendes accomplished. Your nut-hugging is acting up again.

Haha still choosing to totally ignore Poirier!!!

C'mon seriously, give me one example of a fighter in that division that had a tougher route to a FW title shot than McGregor. Name one and lets compare the two. Just for fun!!!

Pleeeeease!!!

 

[underdog140]

Haha still choosing to totally ignore Poirier!!!

C'mon seriously, give me one example of a fighter in that division that had a tougher route to a FW title shot than McGregor. Name one and lets compare the two. Just for fun!!!

Pleeeeease!!!

I just did ...

And I didn't ignore Poirier. I haven't really followed his career so can't really give much facts about him. I don't see any big wins under his name. And a search shows me that depending on where you look he was ranked from 9th to 6th in 2014 at FW. It is possible he was ranked 5th at the time. A solid win no doubt but how do you go from beating the 5th ranked fighter to fighting Denis Siver for a title shot ?

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

What is sad is your complete nut-hugging of Conor. I am not the only poster that has pointed that out to you. But yet you go on blissfully pretending like you don't.
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That's not true. I've said the same things and that mofo started talking shit about my wife.

Talk about a fanboy.

 

[Rincewind]

I just did ...

Mendes? You cant be serious.

Mendes best run to the tile shot was surely his second. Would you agree there?

-Elkins (I love him but he is and always will be a journeyman)
-Cody McKenzie (bum)
-That guy Meza (bum)
-Guida (#9)
-Lentz (#8)


You would seriously rate that tougher than McGregor route to the (interim) title shot?

-Brimmage (bum)
-Holloway (he was very good even then, you cant deny it)
-Brandao (talented but stupid, he was only there for a paycheque)
-Poirier (#5)
-Siver (#10)

And I didn't ignore Poirier. I haven't really followed his career so can't really give much facts about him. I don't see any big wins under his name. And a search shows me that depending on where you look he was ranked from 9th to 6th in 2014 at FW. It is possible he was ranked 5th at the time. A solid win no doubt but how do you go from beating the 5th ranked fighter to fighting Denis Siver for a title shot ?

No its a fact. He was ranked 5th when he was beaten by McGregor. Mendes highest ranking win before he fought Aldo was #8 (Lentz). Poirier was and still is a much more dangerous prospect than either Lentz or Guida. You wanna talk about win one/lose one fighters maybe you need to check Guida's record. Its a miracle that man ever made it into the top ten.

McGregor didn't fight Denis Siver for a title shot btw. He was getting the shot regardless of whether he fought Siver or not. He chose to stay active. Aldo was ''injured'' again after fighting Mendes in late 2014 (Oct/Nov I think) and no one knew when he would fight so McGregor took the Siver fight.

Make no mistake, Siver was the last fight before his title shot but he earned it when he stopped the #5 ranked FW in under 2 minutes.

 

[underdog140]

That's not true. I've said the same things and that mofo started talking shit about my wife.

Talk about a fanboy.

You say .. That's not true .. then go on to validate what I said. Your post is confusing.

 

[Rincewind]

That's not true. I've said the same things and that mofo started talking shit about my wife.

Talk about a fanboy.

Lol it was only a matter of time before you piped up. Welcome back mate. Good to see you again. I've really missed being called a fanboy and compared to cancer!!

Hopefully we can engage in more insightful and witty banter!!

 

[Rincewind]

You say .. That's not true .. then go on to validate what I said. Your post is confusing.

He gets confused easily, bless him.

I think its the blind unwavering love he has for me!!!

 

[underdog140]

Mendes? You cant be serious.

Mendes best run to the tile shot was surely his second. Would you agree there?

-Elkins (I love him but he is and always will be a journeyman)
-Cody McKenzie (bum)
-That guy Meza (bum)
-Guida (#9)
-Lentz (#8)


You would seriously rate that tougher than McGregor route to the (interim) title shot?

-Brimmage (bum)
-Holloway (he was very good even then, you cant deny it)
-Brandao (talented but stupid, he was only there for a paycheque)
-Poirier (#5)
-Siver (#10)

When you right it out like that and I ignore your () comments it only confirms even further for me that Mendes road is more impressive. At the time Denis was ranked 10th most agreed he was pushed into the top ten because he was fighting Conor. In reality he shouldn't of been ranked 10th.

No its a fact. He was ranked 5th when he was beaten by McGregor. Mendes highest ranking win before he fought Aldo was #8 (Lentz). Poirier was and still is a much more dangerous prospect than either Lentz or Guida. You wanna talk about win one/lose one fighters maybe you need to check Guida's record. Its a miracle that man ever made it into the top ten.

McGregor didn't fight Denis Siver for a title shot btw. He was getting the shot regardless of whether he fought Siver or not. He chose to stay active. Aldo was ''injured'' again after fighting Mendes in late 2014 (Oct/Nov I think) and no one knew when he would fight so McGregor took the Siver fight.

Make no mistake, Siver was the last fight before his title shot but he earned it when he stopped the #5 ranked FW in under 2 minutes.

Like I said the search I did shows him ranked 9th - 6th. It is possible some rankings had him at 5th. Lets not get into a debate over something so minuscule.

He fought Denis Siver and then got a title shot. Those are the facts. If he lost to Siver ... No title shot. Also I don't remember Dana or anyone saying Conor was gntd a title shot before facing Siver. You have any articles to back up those claims ? If so I would like to skim them.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

You say .. That's not true .. then go on to validate what I said. Your post is confusing.

Oh, my lord. U must be trolling. The "not true" part is that u said u were the only one to notice what a conor dickrider he is. Is that hard to read properly?

 

[Rincewind]

When you right it out like that and I ignore your () comments it only confirms even further for me that Mendes road is more impressive. At the time Denis was ranked 10th most agreed he was pushed into the top ten because he was fighting Conor. In reality he shouldn't of been ranked 10th.

How is it more impressive seriously? If you think so, back it up instead of constantly coming back to one fighter. Siver.

Like I said the search I did shows him ranked 9th - 6th. It is possible some rankings had him at 5th. Lets not get into a debate over something so minuscule.

Your research is wrong. He was 5th in the official rankings.

He fought Denis Siver and then got a title shot. Those are the facts. If he lost to Siver ... No title shot. Also I don't remember Dana or anyone saying Conor was gntd a title shot before facing Siver. You have any articles to back up those claims ? If so I would like to skim them.

Yes. Yes I do actually.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/10/2/6896795/dana-white-suggests-conor-mcgregor-likely-to-get-next-featherweight

UFC featherweight Conor McGregor's win over Dustin Poirier at UFC 178 was, by all accounts, impressive and important. According to UFC President Dana White, it could also be just the thing that puts McGregor in front of the winner of UFC 179's featherweight title bout between champion Jose Aldo and Chad Mendes.

"Here's the thing: If you go down the list, every one of those guys has fought Jose Aldo already," White said to UFC.com on Thursday. "Conor hasn't. So who do you line up next for the champ other than Conor? Everybody else has fought him."

This article clearly references Dana White's comments post UFC 178 where he said Conor McGregor would most likely face the winner of Aldo vs Mendes for the FW title. Aldo went on to beat Mendes and later declared himself injured. And that is why McGregor took the Siver fight.

 

[Rincewind]

Oh, my lord. U must be trolling. The "not true" part is that u said u were the only one to notice what a conor dickrider he is. Is that hard to read properly?

He did not say he was the only one. LOL

Clearly said

I am not the only poster that has pointed that out to you.

Looks like you were the one that found it hard to read properly!! You must be totes embarrassed right now.

 

[underdog140]

Oh, my lord. U must be trolling. The "not true" part is that u said u were the only one to notice what a conor dickrider he is. Is that hard to read properly?

You are mistaken. Below is what I said.

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What is sad is your complete nut-hugging of Conor. I am not the only poster that has pointed that out to you. But yet you go on blissfully pretending like you don't.

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You miss-read .. no big deal. It happens.

 

[underdog140]

How is it more impressive seriously? If you think so, back it up instead of constantly coming back to one fighter. Siver.

I keep going back to Siver because he is an important part of Conors resume prior to the title fight.

I thought I already made my thoughts clear on why already. The Guida and Lentz wins trump what Conor did prior to fighting Mendes for the title. Guida on paper is a better win then anyone Conor had on his resume at that point in time. Guida beat RDA and Pettis .. two former champions. Exactly what has Poirer done ?

Your research is wrong. He was 5th in the official rankings.

That doesn't make my search wrong. He can be ranked 5th in the UFC rankings and 9th on another ranking system. But the point is moot regardless. I have no issue with saying he was ranked 5th.

Yes. Yes I do actually.

This article clearly references Dana White's comments post UFC 178 where he said Conor McGregor would most likely face the winner of Aldo vs Mendes for the FW title. Aldo went on to beat Mendes and later declared himself injured. And that is why McGregor took the Siver fight.

Thank you for the link. I will read it in a few. Going by the parts you quoted he doesn't say Conor is gntd a shot. Just that he is considering him next because Aldo already beat everyone else. Dana always says fighters could be next for a shot and then later gives that shot to someone else.

 

[underdog140]

Off topic but What I find most interesting about that article is

"So Lorenzo (Fertitta) and I went to dinner with him last night, and he said he wants to fight Diego Sanchez in Mexico at 155. I said, ‘You're nuts. No way, we'll get you a fight. You'll be fighting soon enough.' The kid just wants to fight," he said. "He said him and Diego have been talking back and forth for a while and he wanted to fight him. We basically told him no and he went out and put that on Twitter anyway."

Conor was told no to the Diego fight but decided to tweet out he was going to fight him anyways. A foreshadow of things to come for Dana and the UFC with Conor lol.

Something else off topic but was talked about in earlier post ...

The long-time UFC heavyweight was issued a nine-month suspension by the Brazilian Superior Justice Court of MMA (STJDMMA) for assault and unethical behavior following his knockout win over Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva on Sept. 24 at UFC Fight Night 95 in Brasilia, Brazil.

Initially considered handing Nelson a one-year suspension with $33,000 fine. However, based on Nelson’s history, and the fact that he didn't intend to hurt McCarthy, the STJDMMA reduced his punishment to a nine-month suspension and $24,000 fine.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/11/...nt=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

[Rincewind]

I keep going back to Siver because he is an important part of Conors resume prior to the title fight.

I thought I already made my thoughts clear on why already. The Guida and Lentz wins trump what Conor did prior to fighting Mendes for the title. Guida on paper is a better win then anyone Conor had on his resume at that point in time. Guida beat RDA and Pettis .. two former champions. Exactly what has Poirer done ?

Wait, did you even see the Guida/RDA fight? Anyone that actually knows what they are talking about knows that RDA was easily cruising to a very one sided victory when he tapped. It wasn't even a sub. He tapped because his jaw was broken early in the first round and he couldn't stand the pain any longer. Try and watch the fight before you hold it up as an example of how ''good'' Clay Guida is.

That doesn't make my search wrong. He can be ranked 5th in the UFC rankings and 9th on another ranking system. But the point is moot regardless. I have no issue with saying he was ranked 5th.

The only rankings that count in reference to title contention are the official rnkings where Poirier was ranked #5.

Thank you for the link. I will read it in a few. Going by the parts you quoted he doesn't say Conor is gntd a shot. Just that he is considering him next because Aldo already beat everyone else. Dana always says fighters could be next for a shot and then later gives that shot to someone else.

In MMA you know perfectly well that that is as close as anyone will get to a guarantee. Regardless of Siver or anyone else, McGregor was going to be the next title challenger.

Why do you think they flew him down to brazil for 179? Dont you rmember all the hype for 179 being about McGregor and not the two guys actually fighting? He was even featured in the embedded series. The famous fan Q&A? It was all being specifically engineered for the purpose of hyping McGregor's title shot.

 

[underdog140]

Wait, did you even see the Guida/RDA fight? Anyone that actually knows what they are talking about knows that RDA was easily cruising to a very one sided victory when he tapped. It wasn't even a sub. He tapped because his jaw was broken early in the first round and he couldn't stand the pain any longer. Try and watch the fight before you hold it up as an example of how ''good'' Clay Guida is.

And how did his Jaw brake exactly ? I am going to take a guess and say it was because of Clay Guida.

Even if you want to take away his win over RDA he still is the better win. You haven't said anything or shown any proof that says otherwise.

The only rankings that count in reference to title contention are the official rnkings where Poirier was ranked #5.

So like I said .. my search wasn't wrong. You and who ever else can go by the UFC rankings if you like but he wasn't Ranked 5th by every ranking system. He was as far down as 9th on some. Which goes to show there others that could of carried the claim of being ranked 5th at that time. Again its all a moot point and I won't be commenting on it any further than this post.

In MMA you know perfectly well that that is as close as anyone will get to a guarantee. Regardless of Siver or anyone else, McGregor was going to be the next title challenger.

Why do you think they flew him down to Brazil for 179? Dont you rmember all the hype for 179 being about McGregor and not the two guys actually fighting? He was even featured in the embedded series. The famous fan Q&A? It was all being specifically engineered for the purpose of hyping McGregor's title shot.

Dana white's guarantees fell through more than they came through. He may have been one of the front runners but until the fight is announced and the contracts signed ... Dana White's guarantees don't mean much.



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Even most of Conors fans will admit he was giving an easier road than most and been shown favoritism. You are in a very small group of people that would say other wise. I don't knock him for that. Good for him.

 

[Andrey Smirnov]

Alvarez showed very low skills. Any top10 155 fighter would perform better imo.
Woodley - Tompson is probably best 2016 UFC fight.
And yeah 205 event is much more significant than 200.

 

[Nintendo]

My favorite UFC fighter is Dominick Cruz

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

You miss-read .. no big deal. It happens.

Holy crap. My bad. I went full S. Harvey/B. Buffer mode.

 

[Rincewind]

And how did his Jaw brake exactly ? I am going to take a guess and say it was because of Clay Guida.

Even if you want to take away his win over RDA he still is the better win. You haven't said anything or shown any proof that says otherwise.

Guida was getting merked by RDA and anyone who actually saw the fight knows he got lucky to win. FACT.

So like I said .. my search wasn't wrong. You and who ever else can go by the UFC rankings if you like but he wasn't Ranked 5th by every ranking system. He was as far down as 9th on some. Which goes to show there others that could of carried the claim of being ranked 5th at that time. Again its all a moot point and I won't be commenting on it any further than this post.

Well if your happy to go by Mickey Mouse rankings, go right ahead. I'll stick to the ones that count.

Dana white's guarantees fell through more than they came through. He may have been one of the front runners but until the fight is announced and the contracts signed ... Dana White's guarantees don't mean much.



Edit:

Even most of Conors fans will admit he was giving an easier road than most and been shown favoritism. You are in a very small group of people that would say other wise. I don't knock him for that. Good for him.

How can you possibly presume to know what most of Conor's fans think?? Seriously??

 

[underdog140]

Guida was getting merked by RDA and anyone who actually saw the fight knows he got lucky to win. FACT.

So in other words ..... it was Guida that broke his jaw.

How can you possibly presume to know what most of Conor's fans think?? Seriously??

The same way that you should know. By reading MMA forums and reading the thoughts of his fans. I don't see many claiming he had a tough road to the title or wasn't given any special treatment.

Add that with common sense. A blind man can see Conor gets special treatment.

You will be hard press to find any significant amount of people that think Conor had a tough road to the title or wasn't given any special treatment.

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Jeremy Stephens just called out B.J. Penn

 

[Rincewind]

So in other words ..... it was Guida that broke his jaw.

Nope, in other words you obviously didn't see the fight if you are holding it up as an example of his skill level. At least watch the fight if you want to be taken seriously. When you do eventually watch it you will actually be embarrassed at how stupid your point is with regard to Guida and RDA. Obviously taking your info direct from the likes of wikipedia or sherdog.

same way that you should know. By reading MMA forums and reading the thoughts of his fans. I don't see many claiming he had a tough road to the title or wasn't given any special treatment.

Add that with common sense. A blind man can see Conor gets special treatment.

You will be hard press to find any significant amount of people that think Conor had a tough road to the title or wasn't given any special treatment.

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Jeremy Stephens just called out B.J. Penn

MMA forums?? Let me guess. Sherdog again?? Haha. Yeah because most of his fans are on mma forums. Dont buy into everything you read on the internet.

Even if you sincerely believed Mendes had a tougher road to the title then you surely can't deny that every other challenger Aldo fought had it a lot easier than McGregor!!


What about Edgar, Lamas, Hominick??

You're deluded mate.