WVHillbilly
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LOOOOOOOOOL
So... was the past week and a bit just trolling, or did they finally come to their senses?
My guess is that they have been reading this thread!
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OzExorist said:
I think its a good Idea he has to fight Johnson first. The reason it's for the interim belt is because Jon Jones is the interim champion. UFC doesn't want to strip him again for a second time. Wasn't he found innocent of his most recent failed test ? If so stripping him would be unjust. I don't agree with interim belts needlessly being added but this is a spot where it is already in the mix and the only way to take it away is to strip Jon Jones of it / have the two champions fight each other.
You are forgetting there are more people on the event then just Woodly. Out of the full card they will find someone that suits their needs. Tate would be a decent pick to do some talk shows imo.
I never said Conor wouldn't bring more views or have more PPV sales than Woodly.... that was never my argument. My argument was that UFC 205 would do good numbers without Conor and the card already looks good before it was finalized. So they don't need to put Conor on the show. They could save him for another event. But all that is Moot since he is booked. But I still stand by what I said. I guess there is no way to find out if I was right or not since Conor has been added to the card.
I don't think Dana is going to be kicked out the door. I do think it is possible he leaves himself. He seems like a guy that likes Control and if he is losing that control to Conor or the new owners over-ruling him ( maby both ) is debatable but in either case I doubt he likes it.
I think there is a good chance these new owners ( Who over paid for the UFC ) see money fights and wants them made. I wonder if the previous owners still had control, would Conor be allowed to have 3 consecutive fights out of the division he is champion of ?
Edit:
Follow up on Roy Nelson kicking the ref situation. ... As suspected .. Dana isn't happy
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FastOne
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Well, that's one big Fight Card. Crazy and funny to see Weidman vs Joel Romero buried in the first line of fights. Looking forward to that one for sure!
3 title fights and many big names fighting that night.
Money making (business first) won and McGregor will have his chance to become the 155 lb champion while holding the title at 145 lb. Hope at least Khabib gets the title shot after this fight. And BTW, I´d like to see McGregor winning against Alvarez.
Looking forward to that one for sure!3 title fights and many big names fighting that night.
Money making (business first) won and McGregor will have his chance to become the 155 lb champion while holding the title at 145 lb. Hope at least Khabib gets the title shot after this fight. And BTW, I´d like to see McGregor winning against Alvarez.
Rincewind
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Presser was very good. Conor the centre of attention of course and he wasn't holding back. Eddie was giving it back as best he could but he's trying to play Conor at his own game. And Alvarez getting booed like he was, was a surprise.
When it came to the face offs, we really got to see how rattled he was.
When it came to the face offs, we really got to see how rattled he was.
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Aldo asking to be released from his contract. This is seriously ****ed up. Hard to blame him though. He's been screwed over even worse than Khabib in all this. Some would say though its a strange kind of justice considering the amount of times he left guys waiting on a shot at the title when he had it.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/9/27/13083694/jose-aldo-requests-his-release-from-the-ufc
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/9/27/13083694/jose-aldo-requests-his-release-from-the-ufc
OzExorcist
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Jose Aldo said:
ROFL
This is the point he decides he can't believe what Dana says?!?
He's crazy if he thinks there's any chance the UFC releases him from his contract BTW. He's not a huge draw on his own in the UFC but getting him would be a major coup for any other organisation. At the very least they'll make him fight out his contract I'd expect.
Not innocent to the best of my knowledge - the case hasn't been heard by the commission yet, but my understanding is he's going to argue the legal supplements he was taking were tainted.
I'm inclined to believe that FWIW, for two reasons: one, the supplements industry really is the wild west with very little in the way of quality control, and two, he'd have to be spectacularly stupid to fail a test a couple of days out from the biggest payday of his career. Jon Jones is a lot of awful things, but I don't think he's that stupid.
And I can't remember their names, but other fighters have successfully argued the tainted supplements thing before. I don't believe it resulted in them being found "innocent" though, it just meant they had their suspensions reduced from the full two years to six months or something like that.
As you say, it's all a moot point now that Conor is on the card - if anyone is doing Fallon and the like it'll be him.
But honestly, there was nobody on the card as originally booked that would have been worth booking on Jimmy Fallon or a show like that. IIRC the best Miesha has managed in the past is Conan O'Brien. And keep in mind too that this is happening in the middle of an election campaign, so those shows all have less time than usual to feature B and C-list sporting personalities.
For what it's worth, Jędrzejczyk was probably the best interview / tonight show talent on the card prior to Conor being added, but she's nowhere near well known enough. Pity, she's maybe my favourite fighter in all of MMA.
KUN_AGUERO_KROOS
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some people have no self respect and Dana is one of them.
WTF.
He is just OK being Conor's B!tch.
He does everything that Conor wants him to do for money.
Conor can say whatever he wants, but Eddie style is the worst for him.
I don't think Conor can beat any top 155er.
But a good card anyways.
And the whole Roy Nelson discussion is just stupid.
even if Big John McCarthy were a kid that kick wouldn't have hurt him.
It was clearly a late stoppage.
WTF.
He is just OK being Conor's B!tch.
He does everything that Conor wants him to do for money.
Conor can say whatever he wants, but Eddie style is the worst for him.
I don't think Conor can beat any top 155er.
But a good card anyways.
And the whole Roy Nelson discussion is just stupid.
even if Big John McCarthy were a kid that kick wouldn't have hurt him.
It was clearly a late stoppage.
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You can't touch a ref. Even if the kick had little to no force behind it. Roy walked away .. came back and then pushed kicked. I think he would have got off with some sort of stern warning if it wasn't for the Werdum push kick a couple events back. UFC is suppose to be the number 1 MMA org. They can't have the fighters kicking trainers / refs and just sit back and issue no fines / punishments. All that being said, hopefully its just a small fine and nothing too serious.
The press conference was entertaining. A few things I took from it.
1. Alveraz didn't get what he wanted ( $$$ and PPV Points ) and is fighting on the same contract he already had. Which likely means .. no extra money for fighting Conor.
2. Conor isn't dropping the 145lb belt if he wins the 155lb belt. He will keep both. Dana / the new owners will reluctantly let him because of $$$.
I hope Conor loses. Not because I want to see him lose ( believe it or not ) but because I feel as if him being called the first ever person to hold two belts at the same time is fraudulent. Three consecutive fights out of your division is at least 1 too many IMO. You have to fight in the division you are champion of, to remain the champion. This is even more cheapened by the fact there is an interim champion.
Or
If he wins I hope he does keep the 145lb belt and goes back down and defends to bring some legitimacy to the claim, holding two belts at the same time.
Yeahhh, a few have used the tainted supplement argument. I don't follow failed drug test too closely most times. ( this is one of those times ) But from what I did read he has a good case for his defense. He most likely gets a reduced sentence and some sort of punishment because in the view of those in charge .... A fighter should know what is going into their body.
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So going by what I found on the internet. Below is Alvarez contract which he signed in 2013
So he does get PPV points.
The press conference was entertaining. A few things I took from it.
1. Alveraz didn't get what he wanted ( $$$ and PPV Points ) and is fighting on the same contract he already had. Which likely means .. no extra money for fighting Conor.
2. Conor isn't dropping the 145lb belt if he wins the 155lb belt. He will keep both. Dana / the new owners will reluctantly let him because of $$$.
I hope Conor loses. Not because I want to see him lose ( believe it or not ) but because I feel as if him being called the first ever person to hold two belts at the same time is fraudulent. Three consecutive fights out of your division is at least 1 too many IMO. You have to fight in the division you are champion of, to remain the champion. This is even more cheapened by the fact there is an interim champion.
Or
If he wins I hope he does keep the 145lb belt and goes back down and defends to bring some legitimacy to the claim, holding two belts at the same time.
Yeahhh, a few have used the tainted supplement argument. I don't follow failed drug test too closely most times. ( this is one of those times ) But from what I did read he has a good case for his defense. He most likely gets a reduced sentence and some sort of punishment because in the view of those in charge .... A fighter should know what is going into their body.
Edit:
So going by what I found on the internet. Below is Alvarez contract which he signed in 2013
So he does get PPV points.
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OzExorcist
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Update on the Aldo situation, he's now saying he wants to be released so he can retire... from http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/9/27/13083694/jose-aldo-requests-his-release-from-the-ufc
Oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that - PPV points were the biggest point of contention in the contract negotiations when he came over from Bellator. Bellator claimed they were "matching" the UFC's offer, even though they didn't have PPV events at the time to offer points on.
"If [White] likes me and my family, I just hope he released me. I don’t want a fight. I want to leave as I came in. The UFC and WEC didn’t give me anything. Everything I conquered was my merit and from my team. Nobody gave me anything. I conquered everything. And I gave them a lot more than they gave me back. I just want them to release me from my contract. I’m not a whore to sell myself [for money].
"I don’t even want to fight MMA. I want to follow a career in another sport. That’s what I want."
"I don’t even want to fight MMA. I want to follow a career in another sport. That’s what I want."
Oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that - PPV points were the biggest point of contention in the contract negotiations when he came over from Bellator. Bellator claimed they were "matching" the UFC's offer, even though they didn't have PPV events at the time to offer points on.
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...and now Khabib is on the card, fighting Michael Johnson: http://mmajunkie.com/2016/09/michael-johnson-vs-khabib-nurmagomedov-official-for-ufc-205-in-new-york
This is rapidly becoming one of the best cards ever:
Eddie Alvarez vs. Conor McGregor
Tyron Woodley vs. Stephen Thompson
Joanna Jędrzejczyk vs. Karolina Kowalkiewicz
Chris Weidman vs. Yoel Romero
Donald Cerrone vs. Kelvin Gastelum
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Michael Johnson
Miesha Tate vs. Raquel Pennington
Frankie Edgar vs. Jeremy Stephens
Tim Kennedy vs. Rashad Evans
Tim Boetsch vs. Rafael Natal
Jim Miller vs. Thiago Alves
Lyman Good vs. Belal Muhammad
Liz Carmouche vs. Katlyn Chookagian
This is rapidly becoming one of the best cards ever:
Eddie Alvarez vs. Conor McGregor
Tyron Woodley vs. Stephen Thompson
Joanna Jędrzejczyk vs. Karolina Kowalkiewicz
Chris Weidman vs. Yoel Romero
Donald Cerrone vs. Kelvin Gastelum
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Michael Johnson
Miesha Tate vs. Raquel Pennington
Frankie Edgar vs. Jeremy Stephens
Tim Kennedy vs. Rashad Evans
Tim Boetsch vs. Rafael Natal
Jim Miller vs. Thiago Alves
Lyman Good vs. Belal Muhammad
Liz Carmouche vs. Katlyn Chookagian
andyt5303
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I wouldn't hesitate to put this card ahead of UFC 200. Can you even imagine if Lawler vs Cerrone was on this card too?? There'd certainly be no doubt then.
OzExorcist
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Yeah. Though the UFC 200 that was announced and the UFC 200 we got were pretty different after all the injuries and suspensions and last minute changes. And then it ended up playing out really weird with Lesnar-Hunt and Cormier-Silva being dull letdowns and the main event being a weird anticlimax.
Let's cross fingers the injury and suspension bug doesn't hit this card too!
Let's cross fingers the injury and suspension bug doesn't hit this card too!
OzExorcist
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Aldo's problem though is he has absolutely zero power in this situation. He can't "force" anything with McGregor - if McGregor doesn't want to fight him again, McGregor won't fight him again. If he's bluffing, he's bluffing jack-high into a full house.
He's also in a very awkward position promotionally... and I'm going to preface this next bit by saying that I've got huge respect for Aldo as a fighter. I've spoken many times in this thread and elsewhere about how great I think his game is. But... as a PPV draw he's pretty much a nobody in the UFC. Outside of his fight with Conor he's never gotten more than "average card" numbers - and sometimes he's gotten a lot less than that.
So the UFC aren't in a position where they need him to sell PPVs, they could use just about anyone else and get similar numbers. He's just big enough that he'd probably legitimise and increase viewership in any other promotion he might go to though (Bellator, WSOF, One FC), so I'd be surprised if the UFC would let him just walk.
They certainly wouldn't do it without making him fight out his remaining contract first, so they can at least ensure that the competition has to pay top dollar to sign him away.
He's also in a very awkward position promotionally... and I'm going to preface this next bit by saying that I've got huge respect for Aldo as a fighter. I've spoken many times in this thread and elsewhere about how great I think his game is. But... as a PPV draw he's pretty much a nobody in the UFC. Outside of his fight with Conor he's never gotten more than "average card" numbers - and sometimes he's gotten a lot less than that.
So the UFC aren't in a position where they need him to sell PPVs, they could use just about anyone else and get similar numbers. He's just big enough that he'd probably legitimise and increase viewership in any other promotion he might go to though (Bellator, WSOF, One FC), so I'd be surprised if the UFC would let him just walk.
They certainly wouldn't do it without making him fight out his remaining contract first, so they can at least ensure that the competition has to pay top dollar to sign him away.
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Rincewind
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McGregor predicted last night that 2016 would be worth in the region of 40 million to him by years end.
I don't think it's unreasonable to presume that his total pay for 205 will exceed the combined pay of every other fighter on the card.
It's good to be the king.
I don't think it's unreasonable to presume that his total pay for 205 will exceed the combined pay of every other fighter on the card.
It's good to be the king.
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Along with seeing how visibly rattled Alvarez is at the staredown, this was my joint favourite moment from the presser.
This burn will come back to haunt Jeremy Stephens for years to come.
Burn of the Century
This burn will come back to haunt Jeremy Stephens for years to come.
Burn of the Century
FastOne
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http://mmajunkie.com/2016/09/michael-johnson-vs-khabib-nurmagomedov-official-for-ufc-205-in-new-york
Good to see Khabib is on the card now, should be a great fight against Michael Johnson.
I agree, it's probably the best Fight Card ever for me.
FastOne
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But, like I said in a previous post, I would have liked to have Aldo vs Connor and Alvarez vs Khabib in this Fight Card. Those, to me, were the proper fights to have and I would have liked those two fights way better than Alvarez vs McGregor.
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I don't think he's forcing a rematch. He wants Conor to relinquish the 155 belt. And he does have a point.
The Mcgregor brand is huge regardless of belts, he sells tickets no matter what. He even said that he didn't care about belts.
So they should give the 155 belt to Aldo
Rincewind
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I'm assuming you mean the 145 belt.
If McGregor vacated the 145 title, Aldo will still have to fight for it. They won't just promote him to champion automatically. They can't just "give" him the belt as you seem to be thinking.
Whoever does hold the title if McGregor vacates will never be taken serious as champ while McGregor is active. Same as DC.
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I am almost positive if a current champion drops the belt and there is an interim champion in the division. They become the official champion.
In the case of Conor dropping the belt. Aldo will become champion and the only thing that will change is during Aldo's next defense he will be defending the "real belt" instead of the interim one.
Edit: Word is going around that Aldo contacted a lawyer to look through his contract. Maby he isn't bluffing.
I don't blame him one bit. He only lost 1 fight in 10 years and was a long reigning champion. How do they repay him, He has to sit and watch the guy that beat him go on his third fight out of the 145lb division while still getting to be called the 145lb champion. While Aldo sits with the interim belt waiting on his rematch. Which he should have got right away. The man was the long time reigning champion and no-one else comes close to his accomplishments at 145lbs. He is getting shafted. And lets not forget while Aldo was the 145lb champion he wanted to move up and fight in the 155lb division and Dana told him he had to drop the 145lb belt. All that is enough to piss anyone off and make them feel shafted.
In the case of Conor dropping the belt. Aldo will become champion and the only thing that will change is during Aldo's next defense he will be defending the "real belt" instead of the interim one.
Edit: Word is going around that Aldo contacted a lawyer to look through his contract. Maby he isn't bluffing.
I don't blame him one bit. He only lost 1 fight in 10 years and was a long reigning champion. How do they repay him, He has to sit and watch the guy that beat him go on his third fight out of the 145lb division while still getting to be called the 145lb champion. While Aldo sits with the interim belt waiting on his rematch. Which he should have got right away. The man was the long time reigning champion and no-one else comes close to his accomplishments at 145lbs. He is getting shafted. And lets not forget while Aldo was the 145lb champion he wanted to move up and fight in the 155lb division and Dana told him he had to drop the 145lb belt. All that is enough to piss anyone off and make them feel shafted.
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Rincewind
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You're probably quite right actually. As far as I remember now, when I think about it, Barao was promoted full champion in between fights when Cruz was out. So yes Aldo might be ''given'' the belt, strange as it seems.
Either way though, its an empty title until he (Aldo) actually fights for and wins it. And beyond that, what will the 145lb title really be worth when the guy who chose to vacate it is still active but just not fighting in the division because no one there can help make him the kind of money he has grown accustomed to making?
Not a lot.
If Conor vactates, I could see Holloway ending up as champion. Going by his last fight against an over the hill Edgar, Aldo has very little left to offer by way of resistance. A once great champion yes, but his best days are behind him for sure.