Online Poker Officially Banned in Australia

[darthdimsky]

Senate report made available

Some really interesting facts determined by the report. Source and full report download. I've only just started the read but it does leave the room open for well thought out legislation for the future of online poker in AU. Some facts from the report:

• Of the estimated $1.5 billion spent by Australians on internet wagering in 2012, only $574 million was collected by licensed providers with the remaining $922 million going to unlicensed, offshore entities.
• 80% of online poker cash tables have a big blind of $0.50 or less while 75% of all tournaments have a buyin of $10 or less – much lower stakes than are usually available in live casinos.
• A 2017 study found that for people with moderate or severe gambling problems, “poker made a relatively small contribution to the harms arising from gambling in comparison to other gambling activities.”
• In the United States, a country with minimal regulated online poker, 86% of internet poker players are using gray-market sites whereas in the United Kingdom, which has a strong online gaming licensing framework, the corresponding figure is about 5%.

 

[Aparajit]

I saw a guy from Australia win over 700,000 usd in WCOOP event around July.

If its banned in march, how is it even possible..

 

[Pharaoh39]

I would actually ban online poker throughout the world would be my way, better let them play in real life

I prefer live poke to online, but you can't multi table in real life.

Sounds like you had some bad experiences online.

I feel bad for them, and this is coming from a U.S. player.

 

[Pharaoh39]

I saw a guy from Australia win over 700,000 usd in WCOOP event around July.

If its banned in march, how is it even possible..

It's possible he's originally from Australia but actually lives somewhere else.

 

[fabiancampos]

capital flight! Maybe the government saw their poker players lose more than gain.. capital flight!

 

[MadMurkin]

I blame Crown Casino owner. Has no respect for his fellow Australians and is a greedy pig in terms of money. No doubt filled politician pockets to get through the ban so his casino's can make more money. I would never go to one of these casinos as you have to pay 20$ for a bourbon and coke!!!! 2 drinks and I could of bought a carton and stayed home and gambled online leaving me with 22 cans extra then what the casino gives me. But alas, the ban is in effect as our government is easily lead down the yellow brick road. If they had any brains, they would regulate it, create their own site and make millions, but we are talking about politicians so common sense won't ever prevail. Instead, by banning it they have forced thousands of people making a living off online poker to put their money into unregulated sites to continue working instead of looking for the unemployment line.

 

[Pharaoh39]

It's very bad that poker has been closed in australia, and how now players who like to play poker, what to do and where to play, can the government change its mind?

They can still play at the Crown Casino. They are going to have to make a transition to live poker.

 

[Pharaoh39]

I blame Crown Casino owner. Has no respect for his fellow Australians and is a greedy pig in terms of money. No doubt filled politician pockets to get through the ban so his casino's can make more money. I would never go to one of these casinos as you have to pay 20$ for a bourbon and coke!!!! 2 drinks and I could of bought a carton and stayed home and gambled online leaving me with 22 cans extra then what the casino gives me. But alas, the ban is in effect as our government is easily lead down the yellow brick road. If they had any brains, they would regulate it, create their own site and make millions, but we are talking about politicians so common sense won't ever prevail. Instead, by banning it they have forced thousands of people making a living off online poker to put their money into unregulated sites to continue working instead of looking for the unemployment line.

I can see that happening.

 

[Ledenev_Russ]

I prefer live poke to online, but you can't multi table in real life.

Sounds like you had some bad experiences online.

I feel bad for them, and this is coming from a U.S. player.

Really dey unpleasant experiences enough in the Internet and in real life. "I feel bad for them, and this is coming from a U. S. player". - how to understand it???

 

[Pharaoh39]

Really dey unpleasant experiences enough in the Internet and in real life. "I feel bad for them, and this is coming from a U. S. player". - how to understand it???

Not sure what you're trying to say.

Not sure if you're aware, but us American players haven't been able to play on pokerstars and Full Tilt for six years now.

 

[Rational Madman]

Some really interesting facts determined by the report. Source and full report download. I've only just started the read but it does leave the room open for well thought out legislation for the future of online poker in AU. Some facts from the report:

• Of the estimated $1.5 billion spent by Australians on internet wagering in 2012, only $574 million was collected by licensed providers with the remaining $922 million going to unlicensed, offshore entities.
• 80% of online poker cash tables have a big blind of $0.50 or less while 75% of all tournaments have a buyin of $10 or less – much lower stakes than are usually available in live casinos.
• A 2017 study found that for people with moderate or severe gambling problems, “poker made a relatively small contribution to the harms arising from gambling in comparison to other gambling activities.”
• In the United States, a country with minimal regulated online poker, 86% of internet poker players are using gray-market sites whereas in the United Kingdom, which has a strong online gaming licensing framework, the corresponding figure is about 5%.

I am damn happy about UK and the freedom to play all sites etc.

Government understand how to be greedy but not too greedy (yes I know the empire blablabla, but that's not how current UK is).

 

[Rational Madman]

I pray that the UK doesn't ban poker. I couldn't deal with it

One good thing is that conservatives are backed by many casino owners (They charge far lower gambling tax/licensing fee than labour) So at long as Mrs. May is in power we are gucci.

The moment Corbyn is in power, he will outlaw it to 'protect the vulnerable from the vice of gambling' yeeeep

 

[Aparajit]

If the player moved to another country he should update it with the website.
So the player is still playing in Australia when he won 700,000 usd in wsoop event around July.

 

[deyvsonflp]

Complicated situation. Thankfully, we did not go through that in brazil. The state should not interfere with human freedom. I know there are several issues involved with the topic but getting to that point is not acceptable.

 

[Rational Madman]

Complicated situation. Thankfully, we did not go through that in Brazil. The state should not interfere with human freedom. I know there are several issues involved with the topic but getting to that point is not acceptable.

Brazil may have corrupt leaders but at least its civil rights are decent.

I am glad for the poker world and also the Brazilians as it's a very symbiotic relationship that online poker is legal in Brazil.

 

[Zorba]

I saw a guy from Australia win over 700,000 usd in WCOOP event around July.

If its banned in march, how is it even possible..

poker stars didn't pull out of Australia until September 14th. It was fine for him to play on Stars.

I blame Crown Casino owner. Has no respect for his fellow Australians and is a greedy pig in terms of money. No doubt filled politician pockets to get through the ban so his casino's can make more money. I would never go to one of these casinos as you have to pay 20$ for a bourbon and coke!!!! 2 drinks and I could of bought a carton and stayed home and gambled online leaving me with 22 cans extra then what the casino gives me. But alas, the ban is in effect as our government is easily lead down the yellow brick road. If they had any brains, they would regulate it, create their own site and make millions, but we are talking about politicians so common sense won't ever prevail. Instead, by banning it they have forced thousands of people making a living off online poker to put their money into unregulated sites to continue working instead of looking for the unemployment line.

You need to read up about what the legislation was actually about, hint, it wasn't poker and had nothing to do with James Packer, but poker got bundled in, Online Poker is still being discussed in the senate.

[emoji106]

They can still play at the Crown Casino. They are going to have to make a transition to live poker.

Online poker is still available in Australia.

[emoji41]

If the player moved to another country he should update it with the website.
So the player is still playing in Australia when he won 700,000 usd in wsoop event around July.

See above about September 14th.

[emoji106]

 

[MadMurkin]

You need to read up about what the legislation was actually about, hint, it wasn't poker and had nothing to do with James Packer, but poker got bundled in, Online Poker is still being discussed in the senate.




Yer I know how it happened but he is always there in the background lining pockets, how else do you get to demolish a golf course and 4 apartment building's views and build a hotel there. Then conveniently poker and online gambling is squeezed to ensure live casinos get all the business. Who owns all the casino's?

 

[okeedokalee]

We could be next we have a nanny state Labour government installed.
What the stupid governments don't realise is, gamblers will find other outlets and the recreational participants like Nick are cheated out of some innocent fun.
I see the immigration stupidity has stuffed up the Australian government.Now it is affecting politicians they are going to change the stinking law so it doesn't cover themselves.
Meanwhile I have 3 grandchildren and 3 young nephews and niece whose education in Australia may cost a fortune.
My son is a Chartered Account and my nephew over there is an Architect, they are probably paying huge taxes to the stinking Australian Government.
If the 500,000 Kiwis who live there left Australia the place would probably collapse.

 

[Zorba]

You need to read up about what the legislation was actually about, hint, it wasn't poker and had nothing to do with James Packer, but poker got bundled in, Online Poker is still being discussed in the senate.




Yer I know how it happened but he is always there in the background lining pockets, how else do you get to demolish a golf course and 4 apartment building's views and build a hotel there. Then conveniently poker and online gambling is squeezed to ensure live casinos get all the business. Who owns all the casino's?

To quote someone like I just quoted you, click on the left quotation marks bottom right of every post, if you want to multi quote like I have done here by adding Okeedokalee's post below click on the right hand quotation mark, point to each one and you will see what each does.


You have to remember that he can't do any of that without approval, he has to do things legally also, their is a hell of a lot of scrutinising of big projects especially in the casino industry, I don't know about the one you are referring to with the golf course and apartments.

He also employs a lot of people so it isn't all take by him.

We could be next we have a nanny state Labour government installed.
What the stupid governments don't realise is, gamblers will find other outlets and the recreational participants like Nick are cheated out of some innocent fun.
I see the immigration stupidity has stuffed up the Australian government.Now it is affecting politicians they are going to change the stinking law so it doesn't cover themselves.
Meanwhile I have 3 grandchildren and 3 young nephews and niece whose education in Australia may cost a fortune.
My son is a Chartered Account and my nephew over there is an Architect, they are probably paying huge taxes to the stinking Australian Government.
If the 500,000 Kiwis who live there left Australia the place would probably collapse.

The unemployment rate may go lower Chas if they all left, fwiw it wasn't a Labour initiative to restrict online gambling, that was the conservatives, NZ will be fine with a Labour government.

LMAO at Barnaby being a NZ citizen also, and now thrown out of parliament.

LOL @ 2m30s

:top:

 

[OzExorcist]

LMAO at Barnaby being a NZ citizen also, and now thrown out of parliament.

Hasn't he renounced it already? He'll win his by-election in a landslide and be back before long. More's the pity...

 

[Zorba]

Hasn't he renounced it already? He'll win his by-election in a landslide and be back before long. More's the pity...

I assume he has renounced it by now, it is the incompetence of Turnbull and what he thought the High Court would do that is funny, I bet the High Court Justices are having a bit of a giggle after what Turnbull said at the 2m30s mark of the video.

I don't mind Barnaby as a person, he genuinely cares for his electorate and does a good job for the Agricultural community, also he isn't up himself like Turnbull and the conservatives.

I wouldn't vote for him as I am a Labour voter for life, but I can see why he will win in a landslide, and as such I don't think that Labour should field a candidate, just a waste of their money, let the Libs and Nats fight each other.

:top:

 

[OzExorcist]

Yeah he's since renounced his NZ citizenship.

Libs won't contest the seat. His only "competition" last time out was the independent Tony Windsor, but he's saying he won't run this time. One Nation and the Shooters and Fishers are claiming they won't run a candidate against him either. Labor only got 7% of the vote, the Greens less than 3%

Here's the full 2016 results: http://results.aec.gov.au/20499/Website/HouseDivisionPage-20499-135.htm

Think of this as brief enforced holiday for him. He'll be back before we know it...

 

[emk211]

Australian Online Poker Officially Banned Down Under

Bad news for Australians though I guess they have know it was coming. 888 Poker pulled out a while back and PokerStars will mostly likely leave the AU market very soon.

I just don't get it - still angry about what happened in the US 6 years ago.

Why do you think I left to live in Brazil? Just kidding, I left for my wife, but it was right around the same time they shut it down in USA. I just remember that I had won my way into a big tourney and being told it was canceled and all my tickets just disappeared, play money wasn't going to cut it.

Truth be told though, I understand why they have this problem, it is very hard to regulate and there is a greater risk of corruption internationally. So, what does this do to all the Aussie members here?:girlshit::vollkomme

 

[OzExorcist]

Truth be told though, I understand why they have this problem, it is very hard to regulate and there is a greater risk of corruption internationally. So, what does this do to all the Aussie members here?:girlshit::vollkomme

So the problem here isn't that it's hard to regulate, per se. That bit is actually pretty easy, since we've got the framework already in place for legal online sports betting, and for legal brick and mortar casino gaming nationwide.

The main problem is that the government literally never gave any thought to online poker before now because it's so small, so it just got lumped in with all other casino games. And there wasn't a problem with it being banned until now, so nobody really asked them to do anything different.

As for what it does to us Australian players... for me personally, the answer is very little. I hardly played online in recent years anyway, and I haven't missed it so far. Most of the poker I play these days, when I get the time to play at all, is home games with friends. I know other members are continuing to play on offshore sites, like a lot of American players have done since their ban was introduced.

Overall we're all worse off though, and I hope the government gets around to fixing the system soon. It's the right thing to do for everyone concerned.

 

[Rational Madman]

So the problem here isn't that it's hard to regulate, per se. That bit is actually pretty easy, since we've got the framework already in place for legal online sports betting, and for legal brick and mortar casino gaming nationwide.

The main problem is that the government literally never gave any thought to online poker before now because it's so small, so it just got lumped in with all other casino games. And there wasn't a problem with it being banned until now, so nobody really asked them to do anything different.

As for what it does to us Australian players... for me personally, the answer is very little. I hardly played online in recent years anyway, and I haven't missed it so far. Most of the poker I play these days, when I get the time to play at all, is home games with friends. I know other members are continuing to play on offshore sites, like a lot of American players have done since their ban was introduced.

Overall we're all worse off though, and I hope the government gets around to fixing the system soon. It's the right thing to do for everyone concerned.

You guys really are a passive people... If this happened in UK would be huge protest (but it would be online roulette and horse racing addicts LOL)