Is the card shuffling in online poker truly random?

[pokerpie]

not sure if the cards are dealt RNG related or not, but ACR sure does hand me a plentiful amount of losses via 2 or 3 outers lol.

 

[recerveau]

Every day that I open 888poker, it starts my command prompt and changes something (every day). I find this very strange !!

 

[sidenotch]

Absolute and Full Tilt...an "Absolute Tilt"

Do you remember when Absolute Poker got rumbled?

Indeed, I do remember when those crooks got caught. Now I read stuff in the forums from "supposed" computer software "program writers: with years of experience and they have some amazing info. These "techs" aren't allowed to play on online poker sites because they know the information can be "hacked", and once again makes me start to question the whole "RCG" theory.

If "techs" can "jam up and hack into" sites and such, then what's to keep them from being able to create "fake" identification which would enable them to actually play online sites and use the technical info they know to "gently" hack into sites at a medium to high win basis in order to conceal an "obvious" hack.

Probably better off we never know about such things...you know, the "Aliens, Chem trails, Bigfoot, Gov't conspiracies, New World Order, Flat Earthers(LOL..kidding about this one), Russian Collusion(NOT Kidding about this one!)".

 

[muazkkh1996]

alot of people say its rigged ,but i believe its random why will a billion dollar betting site risk its business for a little gain,its random forsure

 

[8bod8]

Most intersting part of all the 'it's rigged' info:
- nobody collect statistics

ps. if i did and found patterns, I would use the patterns to make my bank account overflow, rather than to brag/complain about them

 

[pdcactus1]

not rigged against you

I have played online for going on 20 years I guess and I'm pretty decided that the computer programs used by all the sites are designed to make ACTION. It does not behoove them to have most hands playing out like Live real playing hands as most of the time there is very little action. While playing Online more than not there is a massive amount of action hands. 3 or 4 or 5 players going Allin or calling Allins with an assortment of paint and Ace X hands. Except when the lone donk plays 65 or 49 suited in those hands and wins it all when no paint hits the board. I can't even track how many times I've seen pocket Kings, Queens even 2 sets of Ace's all in the same hand online. No matter the run out I figure they want the ACTION to build rake and keep the people moving.

:call2::turtle::icon_king​

 

[ACEWOLF56]

I’m sure the online community know SOMETHING is going on, but still play anyway. Collusion, software, etc....going to go back to playing live everyday soon. It’s just too obvious for people with high enough IQs. And with all this being said, Texas Holdem no limit is definitely the purest game out there, but the cheaters who are involved make the game unjustified through online play. Wish someone can make a poker platform through blocktain technology for logins and collusion spotting. That would be a great start to cleaning up online poker’s integrity.

 

[azoppina609]

i believe for a site to be legal in the U.S in requires a Random generated software

 

[kraemer]

Are the cards dealt from the those remaining in a 52 card pack as it would be in a home game.
If not then poker maths becomes irrelevant to a large extent. You can't say so many cards have been dealt, therefore this number of cards remain to make a hand. It has become a 52 card new pack.
Does the RNG take out those made available to the table pre-flop and only random generate those remaining cards for future streets?

Did you ever see a single hand in which a player had an Ace of hearts and another Aces of hearts hit the board?
Guess that answers if the dealt cards remain in the deck.....

 

[Everbane]

I think that in some freerolls from poker sites, however, the generator does not give out cards in a random way, but gives the necessary cards to certain players who are related to these poker sites. This is a purely personal opinion!

 

[akufto]

RNG is nice, but it seems to me that the program deliberately laid or knowing what cards should fall out and who should fly out of the tournament. so I do not really believe in RNG

 

[pdcactus1]

SAW THIS ONCE

I saw a machine that shuffled cards and stacked them and dealt hands from them online was a while back but I guess it did not catch on. they would have to have one machine for every table. so in a thousand person tournament that would mean 100+ machines. Guess it would have been a lot more costly than a digital RNG.

:deal::angel::deal:​

 

[likesithere]

Now, that should be interesting...right?!

too much paranoia about the dealing of cards it is how to play them is more important.

 

[puzzlefish]

too much paranoia about the dealing of cards it is how to play them is more important.

Write back after you've experienced two pairs vs sets, trips vs sets (and boats), top pair with TK vs SK, and many other varieties with high action.

 

[adueno81]

I can notice some hands aren't at random. Maybe about 5% of the hands are still predictable. I never thought of the other post that says the computer can randomly generate a winning hand based on the cards of whoever didn't fold yet. It would be interesting if poker was programmed like a rock paper scissors type game.

 

[8bod8]

i believe for a site to be legal in the U.S in requires a Random generated software

Software cannot generate random numbers!
For proper random stuff, independant stuff is required.

 

[ChickenArise]

The algo got me
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/30444235_8A9C8C677B :ahhhhh:

 

[roman5551993]

I think the distribution is not random, those who have a lot of wins then begins to play, maybe it's all poker rooms.

 

[MicroBratt]

I find it funny when all we read is how hard it is to make a pair playing and I do see most of the time true live play, but dam online, I hardly ever see a hand won with a high card. We can go on and on about the random gen but I also think it's not so random. Yeah I may see more hands per hour but the cards that come out and the beats that happen over and over, like they know the hands we hold, knowing there's going to be action, and how many times are you in the tourney late and the big stack gets that bigger hand to stand against you, keep the tourney going, sorry you had to wait for pocket AA to get in your last 12BB The big stack with 75BB calls with 78 and hits the straight. Shit like that happens to often. I'm not saying the aces should always win, the hands can be anything. I love watching poker on TV, you see their whole cards and the run outs are how they should be, rare to improving, but online, you can almost call out the card that is about to come out that is gonna send you either re buying or just being fed up.
That may contribute to the long re entree for 5 hours, go see the entries in a $20 tourney and then look it the actual players, almost half re bought in, why? More goes to the site, NO? I know i'm just blabbing and I do play on ACR as well and I see this all to much, Random card gen my ass.
It makes me wanna uke:

 

[Eric Salvador]

I have concerns with ACR. I've been running very poorly for nearly 4 months and I seem to get the same hands in the same situations. I honestly have my big hands sets plus just get absolutely crushed and the hands that show up have no way to justify there calling to the river. I really think something is off about it.

 

[MiCephia]

I don't really trust myself that it is toitally random. Just way to many set ups happening and river donks don't happen that much in live play. The real test is at the real money levels but I'll prob never know or get to test at that level. I almost think that they have more setups at lower level to get people to play more. I wouldn't doubt that they tweak the RNG for different levels of play. Otherwise I couldn't see top level players putting up with so many bad beats sometimes

 

[Cajin007]

Only as random as the operator that works it. These "sites" are casinos, and operate just as any real life casino does.
How else would these "sites" make the hundreds of millions they make a year?
If you think "sites" are honest, then I suggest you find medical attention immediately, you have a serious mental issue.

 

[TravelerLloyd]

Honesty

I sure did wish the sites were hoest and hope they are, but you are correct , in this day and age hoesty is a rarity.

I just hope they let me bank enough money to at least give me fuel money every week.

Only as random as the operator that works it. These "sites" are casinos, and operate just as any real life casino does.
How else would these "sites" make the hundreds of millions they make a year?
If you think "sites" are honest, then I suggest you find medical attention immediately, you have a serious mental issue.

 

[dragunovich]

A couple of months ago i was playing tournaments in a casino and i could see that the same situations that are seen in online poker are also seen in live poker, the runners, the badbeats ... the hand that still makes me give nightmares was with KK, middle position, UTG make raise, i call, bottom re-raise, utg call, and i said: im all-in .. so, botom have AQ, the flop was: 3AK, turn 2, river 5 .. when I'm going to start holding UTG shows a 44 .. well, i hate this sh1t said. Winning that hand meant getting 70,000 chips and the second would have 15,000. It meant winning the tournament because I was the most aggressive player on the table ... I had it dominated with a little bigger stack ..

 

[markoavila]

Not if you're Russian.

LOl

Jk.