'Black Friday' and associated fallout megathread

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that's no problem i have a house there ( my mom does) lol but since it's a 3rd world country the houses there don't have a physical address (number and street zip etc) i just looked at my big brother's ID card from there and there is no address on it....so does that mean i'm screwed or i hit the jackpot ;) if i can get that taken care of and then change my ip i should be fine but ........i started playing on sportsbook and carbon now trying to get used to their software and if i like em i won't need to do all that

Well, the best advice I can give you is that if you were to go that route, don't be advertising it on here. Any number of people without your best interests at heart cruise these forums looking for people admitting doing these very things so they can shut them down.

Now I'm not saying that any of our members are "on the payroll" or anything like that, but with the amount of players looking for "alternative methods" of playing on Stars or FTP and the amount of money involved there are people on both sides of the fence looking through forums for alternative methods of both playing, and stopping playing. This is a public forum and one does not have to be a member to read the threads. So just watch yourself.
 
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good advice but i kinda knew that i've been reported to full tilt by CC people before so i'm not worried lol omg we're way off topic now so....let's wait till next week lol
 
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Don't think they don't also use IP geolocation to determine your location. Unless you go through a foreign proxy or VPN, you cannot "change" your IP address to geolocate outside the US. Every US IP address will come back as being within the US, typically within your city or even pretty close to where you live depending on your ISP and how/where they issue IPs.
 
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give it to me

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Don't think they don't also use IP geolocation to determine your location. Unless you go through a foreign proxy or VPN, you cannot "change" your IP address to geolocate outside the US. Every US IP address will come back as being within the US, typically within your city or even pretty close to where you live depending on your ISP and how/where they issue IPs.[/quote


would you happen to know how i can go about "connecting through a foreign proxy or VPN? please would help much
 
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It isn't the simplest thing in the world, so Google it, but I'm 95% sure, if you've never heard of it, you probable won't be able to pull it off easily. Better just stick to Merge.

Not only that, but if your account is reg'd to US, you can't change it now easily.
 
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Hmmm. Lee Watkinson is sitting in a freeroll on FT.

Lee Watkinson

American professional poker player Lee Watkinson’s calm demeanor and calculated aggressive style makes him one of the last players you would ever want to face at a poker table! The well-known winner began playing poker at the tender age of 17 and is now endorsed by Full Tilt Poker.

Read more: http://www.pokerpages.com/player-profile/lee-watkinson.htm#ixzz1K7M3bgSx
www.pokerpages.com

I saw his pic just now, I thought he was older because of his name, lol.​
That's so funny! I thought he was some old guy, too! I wonder what it is about that name that makes us think that?
 
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Just saw this recent summary of the news on Black Friday & the DoJ.
 
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Pretty good article here by an attorney about Black Friday. http://www.relentlessdefense.com/ou...-profile-cases/u-s-attorney-s-office-on-tilt/

I saw this on 2+2 but hadn't seen it here and its something everyone should read IMO.

Those 3 sites + the 11 defendants + some capable (financially and/or legally) online poker players should put their resources together to sue the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Manhattan for abuse of power ... etc.
 
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poker stars doesn't seem very affected by the lack of US players because it still have over 200k players.
 
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They don't really have 200k players online, it is that there are 200k players sitting at tables. So if someone is playing 24 tables, they count as 24 players to that count. The number is still higher than what I would assume it would be. For me it is at 151k right now though, US central time ~11am
 
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A dummies primer on IP addressing:

(For simplicity and visualization, assume you just hit the fold button, and the info about you hitting the fold button is sent as part of the data in a packet.)

Data/info are sent in packets. Packet sizes have varied over the years, they are bigger now than they used to be.

Software at both ends processes the data into and out of packet and in doing so adds or remove (and record) an address to/from it. So your PC has an address added to the packet. The packet is sent out and collects more addresses. Your modem or router adds an address, your ISP adds an address, possibly routers in the clouds add addresses (but these are less important as the path to the destination does not have to be the same as the return reply).

At the destination, the addresses are stripped from the packet until only the data/info part remains. Some action is processed and at bare minimum, an acknowledgment is sent in reply.

Each of the public addresses (cloud routers/ISP's) are identifiable as physical locations. So in theory, you could take you Laptop out of the questionable locations and replace those public US based IP addresses, with international IP addresses. But when you sign up, the IP addressing your PC does (always the same #) is fixed and associated with your physical (snail mail type) street address.

Destination systems (i.e. the poker site systems) record each and every packet received and easily know where it came from and who (according to each login).

In the cloud, the whole system is run by tables, which show where each and every 'node' ( a spot where a decision is made determining where a packet is going) physically exists in the world. In some cases that table shows entered physical addresses, in most cases it is easy to determine that node B lies between node A and node C and if the locations of node A and node C are known, node B's location can be inferred. Otherwise what happens in the cloud is un-important.

A proxy server works at masking the physical location of the origination packet by first transferring the packet to the proxy server, which strips all the originating addresses on that packet, and then sends the packet out as if it originated at the proxy server.

Sounds easy huh? NOT. The final destination back to your PC will by necessity have to contain the local IP address which contain you PC, your Modem/Router and your ISP addresses. At the poker site end, there will be a way to associate your login, with the IP addressing that encases your 'fold' action. In otherwords, the site has to know where to send the reply "fold acknowledged" to. It is to you, according to your login ID (and info) via your PC (even if only a location, cuz you might be playing on the public library PC).

All of this still points to you being a US resident.

Special purpose private proxy sites could exist. But they are private, and well controlled and probably expensive. They would/could use a VPN (virtual private network) which would allow a select few to act as if they were sitting at a computer somewhere other than where they actually are.

But in order for you to use those, you would have to set up a whole identity in another country, just so you could start a brand new account. New physical address, new bank account and all the other proofs the sites were using.

It would be easier to actually move there........:eek:
 
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UB money is going for .60-.65 apparently, surprised it's even as high as that :/
 
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So I am tempted to create a multiple account at PS while I am in England and playing me some poker!!!! There is not really anyway they could catch me and nothing they could do if they did lol.
 
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Maybe you and Joe should move over here. Make sure you bring a good supply of grits, though! :p
 
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Maybe you and Joe should move over here. Make sure you bring a good supply of grits, though! :p

Trust me - if the weather would stay this nice I would be very tempted lol. Oh - I guess his job is an issue too hehe.
 
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Hey, how you been?
Great thanks! :)

Now that my English teaching has taken off and is generating some income, I thought I'd download my favourite poker sites again. Quite surprised when I discovered that they'd been hijacked by the US government! :p

Trust you are all keeping well. Sorry to hear about Buck.
 
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Understanding Black Friday

Please read this article to gain a better understanding of how player funds are transferred in and out of poker sites. A lot of us are misinformed about our current situation and believe that the inability for Americans to play on the 3 biggest poker sites was an outright attack on the players themselves and poker as a whole. After reading this I don't believe that is the case at all. What are your thoughts?

http://www.dragthebar.com/poker-blogs/author/hunter-bick/#jump-post-1263
 
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Great thanks! :)

Now that my English teaching has taken off and is generating some income, I thought I'd download my favourite poker sites again. Quite surprised when I discovered that they'd been hijacked by the US government! :p

Trust you are all keeping well. Sorry to hear about Buck.
Yeah, we're slogging along. Having to play poker on bodog rather sucks be it is what it is.

Good to hear your business is going well. Glad to see you getting back into the game.
 
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Cheers. Yes, I'm still good at losing at poker... hopefully you guys can help. :p
 
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This is from lawyers, and it explains (in their opinion, and I totally agree) why the indictments were over the top and definitely an attack on online poker.

http://www.relentlessdefense.com/ou...-profile-cases/u-s-attorney-s-office-on-tilt/

One point I would like to emphasize: You can't launder clean money, and miscoding transactions does not rise to level of bank fraud when their was no attempt to steal anything from anyone.
 
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