'Black Friday' and associated fallout megathread

[ktx49]

They banned player transfers as well for this very reason, so your scheme above wouldn't have worked. Continuing to play then moving to Canada to cash out might have, but I doubt many people would go to those lengths.

well you know theres other ways to get funds from one account to another without using Transfer lol.....

 

[ktx49]

It would have been nice, and maybe even legal, for the sites to just be up front about it with american players, continue to let them play, and just not allow cashouts until there is some resolution.

I would have continued playing until I either went bust or had some huge br. At which time things would be different.

there is no question about it, its perfectly legal for us to play on pokerstars....the decision to ban USA players was something that was 1st advised to the site by the lawyers representing them. i can guarantee this much.

first of all people need to remember that nobody has been CONVICTED of anything yet....so thats why i was telling people there is a lot of things we aren't being told yet....for them to have come to an agreement on returning funds so fast, makes me really wonder whats going on and i cant believe more people arent scratching their heads here....

somethings up and it stinks.

 

[TheKAAHK]

well you know theres other ways to get funds from one account to another without using Transfer lol.....

And that would be....?

 

[juice561]

I ROCK

transfer on a cash game table 2 easy hahahahahahha only done it on zynga (facebook) though lol but worth a try on stars hahahahha DO IT UP

 

[OzExorcist]

transfer on a cash game table 2 easy hahahahahahha only done it on zynga (facebook) though lol but worth a try on stars hahahahha DO IT UP

You know chip dumping is against the rules of most sites, right?

 

[cAPSLOCK]

US players cant chip dump any more than the can transfer.

Moot.

 

[Worak]

You know chip dumping is against the rules of most sites, right?

Yeah it's against the rules as stated in the TOCS.
But what will they do ? Ban you from playing bwahaha ?

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Yeah it's against the rules as stated in the TOCS.
But what will they do ? Ban you from playing bwahaha ?

Typically ban and confiscate funds. Chip dumping is typically considered as money laundering and poker sites are doing the best they can to avoid being suspect of helping that.

 

[juice561]

huh?

aren't we banned already?

 

[onemorechance]

if you chip dump, what do you think your chances of ever seeing your money are? i'll give you a hint

Spoiler

it's small

 

[xdeucesx]

if you chip dump, what do you think your chances of ever seeing your money are? i'll give you a hint

Spoiler

it's small

I was 100% sure that the "hint" was going to be a pic of Tvetzoff

im dissapointed

 

[onemorechance]

I'm balancing my spoiler range

 

[Sven Deuceman]

...actually I just read a really interesting article on chip dumping written by Stephen Hawkings. Fascinating sh@# about black holes and such. Ok I just looked at the pics but still pretty cool.
On a serious note I think the point you are missing mostly is that the big two did this not only to protect their butts but to not go pissing off the doj anymore than they already have. This situation is far from over and in the endgame will be looked back on as a catalyst that got US poker players to look at something other than the pretty cards on the screen and stand up for some rights. The path to legalizing online poker is much clearer now than it was before for you people so ...patience and a bit of work, support for the people doing the work seems to be your best option.

 

[alaskabill]

ty, but i got one 2 weeks ago,coming from singapore...wtf?? and now i m sending emails to ps, but no replay...are they that busy???

If you got it too weeks ago and didn't cash it then it is almost certain to bounce since it is probably from one of the seized processors. I would just email them, as you have and be patient. And yes, with about a million US former players to cash out and a major legal issue hanging over their head, they are that busy.

It might take a little bit but they will get you your money. They have the best service in the business and have done great at managing the crisis. Just be glad you're not trying to withdraw from Full Tilt. I feel sorry for WVHillbilly and others.

 

[coolnout]

FTPDoug Doug



New post coming soon, just waiting on super extra approval. Sorry for the long silence, we're definitely not ignoring the situation.

1 hour ago

 

[WVHillbilly]

Good. Hopefully he'll mention our money and not just tell us about some new SnG they have added!!!

 

[Dreams of Tragedy]

so what the deal with absolute poker..are they going to ban u.s. players or not. i just check and was still able to sit down at a real money table.

 

[WVHillbilly]

so what the deal with absolute poker..are they going to ban u.s. players or not. i just check and was still able to sit down at a real money table.

The only thing AP/UB have banned atm are cashouts to ALL of those silly enough to still play there.

 

[absoluthamm]

Good. Hopefully he'll mention our money and not just tell us about some new SnG they have added!!!

hopefully, but I wouldn't get too excited yet...

FTPDoug Doug @



@oneillsurfer03 I don't want to get your hopes up too high. It won't have all the answers, but it'll have enough to make it worth posting.

2 hours ago

 

[juice561]

pissed off

is anyone else having problems with full tilt? theyre not responding to my emails its been 2 weeks now and im sick of it all i want is my $5000 returned back to my ftp acct and they refuse to freakin write me back and handle the situation like grownupsgrrrrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Tammy]

is anyone else having problems with full tilt? theyre not responding to my emails its been 2 weeks now and im sick of it all i want is my $5000 returned back to my ftp acct and they refuse to freakin write me back and handle the situation like grownupsgrrrrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Dude, have you even been paying attention? Everyone (from the US) has been having problems. Nothing you can do but just chill.

 

[juice561]

Dude, have you even been paying attention? Everyone (from the US) has been having problems. Nothing you can do but just chill.

i get that but those checks had bounced and all i want is for them to do is just return the money to my full tilt account shouldn't be taking this long c'mon now...i read another post somewhere else and that person actually his money returned but i can't grrrrrrr this is all i get from them:

juice561, this is an important account update from full tilt poker.

Dear juice561,
Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker support.
Unfortunately, due to recent actions by the U.S. government, Full Tilt Poker is currently unable to facilitate 'real money' play, deposits or withdrawals by players based in the United States.
Please rest assured that player accounts remain safe and secure and our technical and legal teams are working to have your money returned to you as soon as possible.
We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused and will keep you up to date with additional information as it becomes available.
Thank you for your understanding,
Full Tilt Poker



has nothing to do with what i asked them. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrr this stupid freakin bank charged me $70 bucks for returned checks grrrrrrrrrr

 

[juice561]

FULL TILT RESPONDS!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers-4-28-a-1029329/
Full Tilt Answers to Questions from FTP Doug:

Hi all,
I've been collecting your unanswered questions and asking around for the answers. The questions that I've "ignored" aren't answered below either because I don't have any kind of answer yet, I can't give any kind answer yet, or they're more general questions that I'll answer in the next "normal" Answers thread. Apologies for the long delay in posting again here. Unfortunately the process of posting is drawn way out when my answers need to be double and triple approved instead of my normal one man show.
We're also working on getting a FAQ page up on the US site soon.
1. Any estimate on when we [US players] can begin cashing out?
- Here's the official statement about this question: "Full Tilt Poker is diligently working on return of US Players funds which is a top priority and will have a further update for US customers by early next week."
2. What is the procedure for assessing the value of USA player accounts?
Tournament tickets (including IM freeroll tickets)
- Tournament tickets will be converted to their real money value before withdrawal. I don't have a final answer about freeroll tickets, but my best guess is they will be left untouched (not converted, but not taken from the account).
Cash game tickets (soon will be "expired cash game tickets")
- All Ring Game ticket balances will be converted to real money, even if they've expired since the 15th.
FTP points (as if converted to tourney tickets?)
- We're still looking into this one. It's unclear what we can do with FTPs, but they definitely won't just "go away."
IM medals (as if converted to tourney tickets?)
- We're still looking into this as well. My guess is they will be converted to FTPs once we determine what will be done with FTPs.
Bonuses in progress (pro rata as if points/medals refunded?)
- Bonuses purchased with points or medals will likely have their "unused" points/medals refunded. First time deposit bonuses (or any other non-purchased bonuses) will probably just expire.
IM progress in April (as if purchased up to 4 days for next level? medal value of freeroll?)
- We're looking into this as well, but I think we'll give a pro-rated April status (and medals) of some sort. The details still need to be worked out.
Unpaid rakeback (or cashback or whatever)
- This will be paid out as soon as possible. Almost definitely before cashouts are turned on.
Progress toward promised mid-year bonus
- This is still under discussion, but I think it's unlikely we'll pay out a potential bonus in cash. What might happen is that we preserve the "potential" from January through April and add it to the next one of those bonuses that our US players might be eligible for.
Accumulated months in IM
- These will be frozen in time until a player starts playing again. You won't have your streak broken because you can't play at the moment.
FTP Academy points
- Academy points will be treated the same as Iron Man medals, and likely be converted to FTPs.
Take 2 promotion
- Take 2 will be paid out (on a pro-rated basis of some sort since US players couldn't participate in the final day or two) as soon as possible, again before cashouts are turned on.
3. Will United States players who move to a new country be allowed to resume play at the site and/or withdraw their funds to a non-US bank account?
- I needed to get a very official answer on this one as well:
"Yes. But your existing account and balance will not yet be available on logging in. You will be required to provide sufficient proof of relocation, including your photo identification and proof of residency at your new address. You can then use non-US funds to play from outside the US. And, after return of your US funds, you will be able to use those funds as well from outside the US."
I know that's still a bit fuzzy, sorry about that. We'll work on clearing up all the details as soon as possible.
4. but Moneybookers are unavailable as a cashout option
- Sorry, this was my mistake. The MB issue is separate from other issues, and we're working with them to resolve the situation as soon as possible. I don't have an exact timeline for when it will be available again, but we're hopeful it will be soon.
5. I am a canadian player and it looks like Instadebit is disabled. Im just curious if you plan to use Instadebit in the near future?
- Instadebit should be up and running now. Let us know if that's not the case.
6. What about the money that the payment processors BOUNCED us in checks? And pending withdrawals via check that have not been received? Do we e-mail support with the bounced checks? Are the checks requested prior to 4/15 going to be received? Are they good?
- Definitely email cashier@fulltiltpoker.com if a check bounced. If you already emailed them a while ago and they haven't gotten back to you, PM FTPSean and he will see if there's anything he can do to help speed things along. You should also email cashier with the other questions so they can look into the specific case for you as I don't think there's a general answer that covers all cases.
7. Is there an estimate time table for withdrawals to Neteller?
- Many players started getting their Neteller withdrawals late last week. There have been a couple of hiccups along the way, so there is still a bit of a delay until that clears up, but things are looking good to resume normal withdrawal speeds within a week or so.
8. cashed in medals for points last night but still haven't been credited my points.
- If you are in the US, we aren't currently processing Iron Man purchases. It's likely the order will be cancelled and you'll be refunded the medals. If you aren't in the US, there's currently a bit of a delay in the processing because of the US block. Sorry about that.
9. Can players in the US still buy things from the FTP store?
- Not at the moment, no.
10. What is going to be done with the multiple US players who were previously able to change their location?
- They have been reset back to have the United States as their country. They won't be disqualified from any tournaments they happened to enter, though.
11. Address the PMI issue
- We haven't forgotten about this. I haven't seen an update in about two weeks, as you might imagine, but I know we are still looking into it.
12. am I gonna get my tv i ordered last monday before Black Friday?
- For the moment the store isn't shipping to any US address. If your item already shipped it will get to you. If it was ordered but not yet shipped, it's been placed on hold. If it turns out we have to cancel those orders, your FTPs will be returned to your account. If you want more details about your specific order, please contact the FTP store at customersupport@fulltiltpoker.com and they can look up the status of your order.
13. when are you paying the take 2 money ?
- Non-US players should have already been paid for Take 2. For US players, see question 2. If you are a non-US player and haven't gotten paid for Take 2 yet, contact support and they will look into it for you. We were pretty conservative when it came to identifying players as US players so it's possible you were wrongly tagged and that's why you haven't gotten paid yet.
14. I'm very curious as to what will happen to players that made deposits that have not yet been collected from their bank accounts?
- At this point it's not clear what will happen here. We're looking into it and as soon as we know more we'll inform the affected players.
15. i just cashed out large parts of my roll via local bank transfer because i'm still not sure whats happening and i obviously wanna be rather safe than sorry. rumours say that full tilt went bankrupt and is going to have problems to pay out euro players once they start paying the players from the u.s. can you comment on that and explain why my money is supposed to be safe? i dont wanna go to stars or something bc i hate that site but when it comes to security/reliability stars is looking way better these days than full tilt. how can i be sure that my funds are really safe?
- We are not bankrupt. While there is some fallout from the US situation on non-US withdrawals (mostly in the form of delays), we won't have any problems paying out Euro (or any other) players, even after players in the US have their withdrawals processed.
16. why Webmoney still not working, sir?
- I'm hearing the Webmoney issue will be resolved within a week or so. Sorry for the delay.
17. What about FT [transaction] history. When will that be back up?
- Transaction History should be working again for US players tomorrow I think. If not tomorrow, then by next week at the latest. Sorry about that.
18. can us players still play the race to the main event freeroll?
- No, I'm afraid not.
19. We all need an answer to when and how long it should take for FTP support to get back to us.
- There are a couple of issues here. One is for US players getting nothing back except for a generic template explaining the current situation (or, worse, nothing at all). This was the advice given to support by our legal team, so their hands were tied. We're trying to get more clarity here as soon as possible as to what exactly they can and can't say (as opposed to the current "don't say anything" approach) so that support can be more helpful to US players. I do apologize for the length of silence coming from Full Tilt. It's a sensitive situation and I think we probably were a bit overly cautious here.
20. What will happen with my bankwire I req in early march that still hasnt gone thru?

 

[lilybo]

Geez, you have been busy. Were these official answers from the sites themselves?

 

[dj11]

Geez, you have been busy. Were these official answers from the sites themselves?

FTP Doug is a real FT rep who frequents 2+2.