'Black Friday' and associated fallout megathread

[Stick66]

YouTube - Message from PPA regarding Government Crackdown on Internet Poker

For a while, I've wondered just how much power and pull the PPA really has. I guess we are gonna find out soon.

 

[Stick66]

Since the passage and enactment of the UIGEA there is no such thing as a legit way of getting your $$ to sites from the US. It doesn't exist at any cost.

You're right, I guess. I was just thinking that a check written on a Euro bank could be cashed at my bank if I pay some hefty fees or something, but I'm not sure how that would work. If the check doesn't say "poker" on it, my bank should take it. I guess. (just theorizing)

 

[Poof]

For anyone still having the issues, I downloaded the FT UK version through Chrome, it lets you in and play any tournaments you already registered for, but you cannot sign up for new ones, or transfer.

 

[dj11]

The damage has been done, It doesn't matter what happens now.

I hope the big 3 beat the shit out of the US GOVERNMENT in court and counter sue for everything conceivable and a hefty % for tying up our money.

Even if that happened fast, like this week, the damage has already been done, and it is near fatal.

Will online poker return? Will we want to play it on the piss poor software we will see?

Alternatives for the US are slim. I fear the sites still open will not be for long.

That leaves us with play money poker. For me, I have always enjoyed the game as sport, so I can do it. I know there are many around here who can not do it.

(Incidently I just took down a Play Money 100K buy-in for 700+K play money chips............Whoopee.....)

 

[roundcat]

It now has made yahoo's list of most veiwed stories.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/Absolute Poker/20110416/ap_on_sp_ot/us_poker_prosecution

And I love this quote,

"Authorities said Absolute Poker responded by saying in a release after the new law was enacted that it would continue its U.S. operations because "the U.S. Congress has no control over" the company's payment transactions."

Too bad the others don't have the balls to do the same.

:top: Well played, Absolute. :aetsch: from A.P to DOJ.

 

[Stick66]

:top: Well played, Absolute. :aetsch: from A.P to DOJ.

Yep. Good for them. But the problem they can't fight is payment processing.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/future-of-absolute-poker-and-ub-com-in-question-18795/

 

[Stick66]

More info along the "it's about financing, not poker" lines:

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-men-...lready-tied-las-vegas-/2011/04/16/5449932.htm

 

[darkassassin89]

Omg this sucks worse than an R.L. Stine BOOK!!! no FTP im going to cry!

 

[qwerrk]

The minute after this news hit the wire(less) yesterday I logged on to request withdrawal of all but ~$200 (by check) -- received the standard FTP approval - keeping my fingers crossed.

The DT's have yet to set in but not happy at the prospects

Foxwood's is only a 20 minute drive but really not into the whole casino aesthetic so that does not offer any consolation (

...gone, gone are the days you could tell cites by the color of their smoke...

 

[the Styb]

It's not about gambling. It's about the US not getting its share of the cake.

The US concocted laws which outlawed online gaming which did nothing to slow pokers growth because the US law simply couldn't be enforced, physically or legally. Then the Fed strongarmed the banks, essentially threatening them with lawsuits, fines and worse for doing business with online gaming sites. So the gaming sites began using offshore accounts and shell companies to process US transactions, which was finally something the Fed could legally bite on.

BUT, those very same types of accounts are used every day by corporations, banks and insurance companies to hide funds and avoid taxes from the US government anyway.

This will all result in a US backed online gaming commission headed by some politician's brother-in-law, with licenses being given out to the same people on Jack Abramoff's Christmas list. Land of the free, my ass!

 

[OzExorcist]

We might even let the Aussies back in too.. but you have to watch them.. they are all descended from crooks.

Erm... thanks to a rigged referrendum about 10 years ago we never left. We've still got the queen on our money and everything.

 

[Charade You Are]

For anyone still having the issues, I downloaded the FT UK version through Chrome, it lets you in and play any tournaments you already registered for, but you cannot sign up for new ones, or transfer.

Apparently for those smart people who haven't logged off and gotten the update, they can still play. I don't think it will let me. I'm registered for tomorrows cc fr and got this message:

 

[the Styb]

I noticed that the FBI claims that FT and PS "lied to banks".

I dont know how the US banking system works, but I would imagine its similar to the UK system.

You cant lie to a bank, when large sums of money are involved, that bank has to show "due diligence". It has to be able to document that it has vetted its clients and state how that vetting was conducted.

Chances are the banks knew exactly what was going on and chose to turn a blind eye to it.

And of course, the banks have never lied to anyone, right…? Trillions in fraud just a few short years ago and not ONE SINGLE ARREST!!! Welcome to the new United States of Terror! If you do not do what we say, we will bomb you into submission! If you do not have money, you will be swept into the shadows! If you think differently, you will be replaced!

 

[OzExorcist]

And of course, the banks have never lied to anyone, right…? Trillions in fraud just a few short years ago and not ONE SINGLE ARREST!!!

Full Tilt / Stars obv aren't too big to fail.

 

[Tenaciousplayer]

So we should all be getting a check one day, since they the US district courts represents US the players. I mean unless these guys got mad because they got a bad beat then what right do they have to any monies that are awarde by the court.

 

[xboxerdude]

honestly are country is going into the shitter. There is soo much corruption and bullshit. It's like the powers to be want a violent revolution.

GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS

 

[tcummo]

i'm confused
are we talking about the USA
or north korea ?

 

[DetroitJimmy]

If the government takes over you can bet your ass there will be very few if any winning players in online poker. Only ones who lose less than others.

Sorry there will be one winner. The US government. Too bad they're worse at spending money than me. FTW.

 

[Nick]

Really and truly I don't think AP/UB had any choice at all about continuing to accept US players. They wouldn't have a business without them.

 

[jonjonR]

This sucks man I want to play online pokerstars was my favorite site. Hopfully they come to some sort of agreement. I wondering if they are letting people take out their money. Hopefully
THanks Jon

 

[lilybo]

Now out all the post I've read here this is the most reasonable one. I agree totally!

Why are we as US citizens so eager to find another site to play on that allows US players or try to find another way to play on PS and FT after what just happened. Can we not just wait this thing out and see what happens? Are we that addicted to online poker til we can't go a day, week, or a month with-out it?

The bottom-line is the US is wanting control over Online poker, right now they don't have it. They want a piece of the pie and can't get it. It's all about money. US has no way to make money off of these sites. That's why they want the sites to tax us so they can make money, the sites said no and this is how the US counter acted to that answer.

So I say lets just wait this thing out, I'm sure these sites will give the US what they want. I don't think PS and FT want to loose US players and the US doesn't want these sites to say the heck with US players because it's too much money to be made here! Just my opinion yall!

The ban has been in effect long ago, why wait till now to enforce it???? Time should have been spent legalizing and enforcing, not what is going on now. What a waste. ):

 

[jinglebomb]

Well guys at least bodog is still up. I just registered on there today looks pretty light as far as players playing.

 

[xboxerdude]

They are targeting my three favorite things the triple Ps

Poker, Pot , Prostitutes


****t the government

 

[cardriverx]

interesting stuff here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/columns/story?columnist=wise_gary&id=6295716

 

[pokerchris]

Isn't tax due in the States next week?

Do you think those republican FBIs in NY are that smart to figure it out?