Just how random ARE the random card generators in poker?

[UnderDawg5501]

I know! Get a few hundred monkeys shuffling and dealing real cards..
That would be random!

The real thing is we are hardwired to accept our successes in life as a result of our hard work and dedication. And our failures as some sort of karmic force working against us and are all to quick to blame something out of our control.

It's life, enjoy all the nuances!

 

[kon44]

I'm curious about the idea that his ROI increased because of a higher rakeback incentive.

Could it be that the rakeback was the change? After all, if you are getting some of the rack back, that would change your overall ROI.
Or he could just be having a good month, variance will do that!

@UnderDawg5501, 100% that was amongst the lines of deliberations brought up and put to the topic at the time. A hard pill for a few (who am I kidding lol, VERY many lol) to swallow on this forum but I’m actually the biggest sceptic to have amounts to debate. The guy in question is the biggest poker nit I’ve met in my life, a quality I massively respect him for but at the same time have always taken that knowledge and when we get to play (he only plays in his larger entry organised games) taking absolutely ludicrous liberties and advantage of this stubbornness in his game. When I see him I always enquire about the RNG and how it’s treating him, and for over a year it’s been the same. His been luckier, luckier to such a degree it’s massively noticeable.

I’m someone’s that if I was told that something had happened 9 times in a row already, I’d still argue it’s possible and still very likely that it may be different on the 10th occasion. Highly probably of the mimicking of past results but not 100% as the mathematical statistics already show. Tenth man ideology has merit and is essentially more important in all things.

Variance is something that most find exceptionally hard to perceive. The reason is that most minds find comfort in singularity instances as often as possible, the unknown, uncharted, unscripted is a torture to confront and be comfortable with..... I had a couple of ethical hackers friends years back who I continually asked and picked the minds of lol. There are soo many things possible that would have you binning your electronics. If any of you have watched the new Luther film..... that tech that jumps into your devices... its been around over a decade

 

[puzzlefish]

Hi, dare I ask, are you sure it's just a random program dealing cards? Are you sure the rest of the cards that weren't dealt aren't dealt by the same random program depending on the results and how the players approach the respective hand? I don't want to sound paranoid but after so many years in the game I tend to think that there is more to it than the random dealing of cards whereas in a real table game you really don't have that many chances anymore you have to come down to what see on the table and that's it

All I can say is if you suspect something is going on and you want answers, come up with a plan on how to investigate it and how to get meaningful information from your investigation. Nobody is going to tell you anything on these or any other forums that you haven't already heard before. If there's something non-random going on, then you will be able to see that non-random thing happening over and over in the same manner.

 

[UnderDawg5501]

Well, I can't imagine the RNG's that the big poker sites use are twisted in any way. They have to be audited often enough if they are professionally sanctioned. Also, if a whiff of something untoward gets out into the media, it would be the end of a site.
And with the millions of dollars involved with those sites, I would be inclined to believe their internet security is top notch. I also have friends within the computer field, one has a full server business and the capability to fend off massive attacks if needed.

So, chalk it up to luck, karma or that little bit of good energy... Thats all I can imagine.

 

[kon44]

Interestingly on the lines of the RNG providing so called random. This week on PS softwares ive observed and been dealt an unnatural number of quads, had a straight flush 2/3 times, and just today seen quad 4’s 3 times. I just had them, a CC member had them at the table I was in during the freeroll (actually, no they folded but no need to lie). And earlier during a satellite. In the last hour I’ve had QQ 5 times.... This is the tell tell signs of algorithm attempts at correction/quota fulfilment. If any of you ask yourself honestly, this is something you always observe or witness here and there.

 

[UnderDawg5501]

Why do you think they have a quota fulfilment / correction at all? There is no need for a quota as the site makes money from the rake, not who wins any one hand. It literally doesn't matter who wins. The house always wins.

 

[kon44]

Why do you think they have a quota fulfilment / correction at all? There is no need for a quota as the site makes money from the rake, not who wins any one hand. It literally doesn't matter who wins. The house always wins.

The quota I refer to is the algorithms that provide the random simulations

 

[pasha poltava]

sometimes it seems to me that it is always against me, even if I have a strong combination, there is a unique one and the trash card outruns me!

 

[UnderDawg5501]

Well, watching the video about pokerstars at the beginning of this thread, they have no algorithms, they are using 2 hardware random bit creators, (ie: either 1 or 0.) and are combining the bits together to create a random number which is then used to select one of the cards remaining in the deck.

 

[puzzlefish]

Well, watching the video about Pokerstars at the beginning of this thread, they have no algorithms, they are using 2 hardware random bit creators, (ie: either 1 or 0.) and are combining the bits together to create a random number which is then used to select one of the cards remaining in the deck.

That's it then - no algorithms, case closed.

 

[kon44]

Holy cow, straight flushes and mad back to back pairs again lol. First hand today 77, I play em take 3 people down. AA. Next hand take 2 more.. 1st of 2k in 6 hands... ain’t bad start won’t last though lol.. I got KK elsewhere but check this ridiculous call and suck out ffs 🙄


PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 100/200 (40 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

NA: 7,680 (38 bb)
UTG: 9,755 (49 bb)
MP: 14,475 (72 bb)
MP+1: 13,890 (69 bb)
CO: 8,950 (45 bb)
BU: 405 (2 bb)
SB (Hero): 13,485 (67 bb)
BB: 8,730 (44 bb)

Pre-Flop: (580) Hero is SB with K♥ K♣
4 players fold, BTN raises to 365 (all-in), Hero 3-bets to 565, BB calls 365

Flop: (1,775) 3♣ 5♠ T♥ (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, BB bets 888, Hero raises to 12,880 (all-in), BB calls 7,237 (all-in)

Turn: (18,025) 7♠ (4 players, 3 all-in)

River: (18,025) 9♦ (4 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 18,025

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows K♥ K♣ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 75%, Flop: 67%, Turn: 74%, River: 0%)

BB shows 3♠ 9♥ (two pair, Nines and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 10%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 10%, River: 100%)

NA mucks
BU shows 3♥ 4♥ (a pair of Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 15%, Flop: 19%, Turn: 17%, River: 0%)

BB wins 18,025

 

[sumdumguy]

Holy cow, straight flushes and mad back to back pairs again lol. First hand today 77, I play em take 3 people down. AA. Next hand take 2 more.. 1st of 2k in 6 hands... ain’t bad start won’t last though lol.. I got KK elsewhere but check this ridiculous call and suck out ffs 🙄


PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 100/200 (40 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

NA: 7,680 (38 bb)
UTG: 9,755 (49 bb)
MP: 14,475 (72 bb)
MP+1: 13,890 (69 bb)
CO: 8,950 (45 bb)
BU: 405 (2 bb)
SB (Hero): 13,485 (67 bb)
BB: 8,730 (44 bb)

Pre-Flop: (580) Hero is SB with K♥ K♣
4 players fold, BTN raises to 365 (all-in), Hero 3-bets to 565, BB calls 365

Flop: (1775) 3 ♣ 5 ♠ T ♥ (4 jugadores, 1 all-in)
Hero pasa , BB apuesta 888 , Hero sube a 12 880 (all-in) , BB llama 7237 (all-in)

Turn: (18,025) 7 ♠ (4 jugadores, 3 all-in)

River: (18.025) 9 ♦ (4 jugadores, 3 all-in)

Bote total: 18.025

Confrontación:
SB (Héroe) muestra K ♥ K ♣ (un par de reyes)
(Equidad - Pre-Flop: 75%, Flop: 67%, Turn: 74%, River: 0%)

BB muestra 3 ♠ 9 ♥ (dos pares, Nueves y Treses)
(Equidad - Pre-Flop: 10%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 10%, River: 100%)

NA estiércol
BU muestra 3 ♥ 4 ♥ (un par de Treses)
(Equidad - Pre-Flop: 15%, Flop: 19%, Turn: 17%, River: 0%)

BB gana 18,025

Como fue el juego en la imagen?

 

[kon44]

How was the game in the picture?

La imagen era un juego de un satélite, estaba jugando algunos y una entrada regular.

 

[ODRAGD3]

Hello,
I am very new to online poker and would like to know how true it is a reflection of the reality of random card generators on poker sites.

Thank you so much

James

online poker is a system that the casino will never lose! Each player will have their time to add money so that they don't lose the appeal of continuing to play online, but all the servers will make you lose at one time or another! The best thing is to play at a live casino!

 

[stan1250]

Sometimes you wonder when your on the end of a horrific bad beat

 

[sumdumguy]

Sometimes you wonder when you're at the end of a horrible bad beat

For that, I have a tactic that never fails me: rest your mind for 3 to 7 days without playing poker, don't think about why the bad beat happened and it will make you more frustrated, spend time outside, go to the park, physical activity is highly recommended, clear your mind of poker on those days, then you will arrive with a fresher mind and you will see that the bad beat is because you didn't make good decisions. It's hard to retire with AA. I know that, believe me, but it touched me.

 

[ramorleans]

I'm also interested to know on how the algorithm works per table x player

 

[kon44]

WOW.... I don’t know what else to say accept.... The glitch in the Matrix is merely coincidence 🙄🙄

CC $300 a moment ago.... Also for those that are unaware true variance begins at d3lt4(4)

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 10/20 - 9 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

d3k0nd3k0n (UTG): 2,936 (147 bb)
wengz2002 (UTG+1): 3,538 (177 bb)
BelFish (MP): 2,752 (138 bb)
testing826 (MP+1): 3,885 (194 bb)
kingwayney (LP): 2,936 (147 bb)
kokusa75 (CO): 2,970 (149 bb)
mtl mile end (BU): 2,203 (110 bb)
MoroccoRocks (SB): 2,980 (149 bb)
arshuns (BB): 2,820 (141 bb)

Pre-Flop: (30) Hero (d3k0nd3k0n) is UTG with 4♥ 4♣
d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) raises to 44, wengz2002 (UTG+1) calls 44, BelFish (MP) calls 44, 5 players fold, arshuns (BB) calls 24

Flop: (186) T♥ 4♠ J♣ (4 players)
arshuns (BB) checks, d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) checks, wengz2002 (UTG+1) bets 186, BelFish (MP) calls 186, arshuns (BB) raises to 1,220, d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) calls 1,220, 2 players fold

Turn: (2,998) 4♦ (2 players)
arshuns (BB) bets 1,360, d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) raises to 1,672 (all-in), arshuns (BB) calls 196 (all-in)

River: (6,110) 9♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 6,110

Showdown:
d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) shows 4♥ 4♣ (four of a kind, Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 54%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

arshuns (BB) shows A♠ J♦ (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 46%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) wins 6,110

 

[sumdumguy]

The image was a game of a satellite, I was playing some and a regular entry.

but how was the development?
all-in all at once?
Was it paid to see the flop?

 

[kon44]

But how was the development?
All In All At Once?
Was it paid to see the

No recuerdo porque no estaba físicamente en la mano. Encontrarlo sería un caos, jajaja, ya que estoy jugando algunos juegos al mismo tiempo en varios clientes. Por lo general, podría haberlo perdido, y solo lo atrapé porque había 4 cartas para un color en el tablero ... Así que miré y dije "guau, otra escalera de color"

 

[Poker Orifice]

You can say and think whatever you wish. I won’t name the guy either as he would loose the deal his receiving. I don’t tell lies so think whatever you will.

I will say this though.... There are man6 people who hav witnesses anomaly instances on various clients, I suppose you’re just one of those that unless it happens to them they religiously condemn anything they cant perceive... Walls and bricks etc talking 🤷‍♂️

The way he described it to us as we sat discussing it as we all talked during his monthly £75+£50 bounty was that it was like when playing roulette on a machine and you hit your bigger return numbers one after another on a run. Apart from great cards he was continuously connecting and coming out the better end of spots he shouldn’t.

If this were 'fact' (which I believe is total b.s.) then your friend would actually be supporting a cheating site, without going public about it. He'd be as bad as the site itself. The fact you don't even name the site even makes it more than suspect. What is it, some home game App. a guy approached him with on a social media site?
'anomaly instances'... like what? If you didn't witness some crazy stuff, then I would be suspicious.
I personally have played over 5 million hands online. The only time I felt suspicious of the deal on 'all' sites was in my first 3 or 4 months of playing.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I feel silly for responding to your posts kon44. The truth has been revealed to me.

 

[Poker Orifice]

WOW.... I don’t know what else to say accept.... The glitch in the Matrix is merely coincidence 🙄🙄

CC $300 a moment ago.... Also for those that are unaware true variance begins at d3lt4(4)

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 10/20 - 9 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

d3k0nd3k0n (UTG): 2,936 (147 bb)
wengz2002 (UTG+1): 3,538 (177 bb)
BelFish (MP): 2,752 (138 bb)
testing826 (MP+1): 3,885 (194 bb)
kingwayney (LP): 2,936 (147 bb)
kokusa75 (CO): 2,970 (149 bb)
mtl mile end (BU): 2,203 (110 bb)
MoroccoRocks (SB): 2,980 (149 bb)
arshuns (BB): 2,820 (141 bb)

Pre-Flop: (30) Hero (d3k0nd3k0n) is UTG with 4♥ 4♣
d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) raises to 44, wengz2002 (UTG+1) calls 44, BelFish (MP) calls 44, 5 players fold, arshuns (BB) calls 24

Flop: (186) T♥ 4♠ J♣ (4 players)
arshuns (BB) checks, d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) checks, wengz2002 (UTG+1) bets 186, BelFish (MP) calls 186, arshuns (BB) raises to 1,220, d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) calls 1,220, 2 players fold

Turn: (2,998) 4♦ (2 players)
arshuns (BB) bets 1,360, d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) raises to 1,672 (all-in), arshuns (BB) calls 196 (all-in)

River: (6,110) 9♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 6,110

Showdown:
d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) shows 4♥ 4♣ (four of a kind, Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 54%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

arshuns (BB) shows A♠ J♦ (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 46%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

d3k0nd3k0n (UTG) wins 6,110

Amazing!!! The proof is right there!

 

[kon44]

@Poker Orifice, your aggression is baffling to me.... Your shortsighted presentation is equally baffling..... Rearranging and altering what I said is even more baffling and additionally ridiculously comical (again)... Relieve some of that pent up agitation and maybe you will stop presenting yourself as a conditioned sheeple in all instances. Screaming the loudest doesn’t and will never foundation your input to a topic... which since the very first post till the most recent of yours I’ve viewed is a reoccurring occurrence.... Ignore me or gather yourself some common sense/logic. Something evades your sense of belief and you go into meltdown mode.... Seriously?

 

[puzzlefish]

@Poker Orifice, your aggression is baffling to me.... Your shortsighted presentation is equally baffling.....

This is literally his favourite pastime activity when he isn't running his lower completed draws into the nuts.