Just how random ARE the random card generators in poker?

[eliasyarosh]

I think this is a topic that can break the minds of many. Something similar to conspiracy theory, etc

 

[fegyo]

I don't believe in randomness of dealing cards. Blockchain is the only technology which can resolve this problem

 

[funkymoney]

i feel the cards depend on the users remaining on the table. there is a good probability you hit the straight or flush on the river online than when playing offline.

 

[kristersb123]

I think its all random, they dont really benefit from rigging the cards because they make money of rake, feeling that online poker is rigged because hands are dealt more often and faster which results in bad beats happening more often.

 

[inox73]

i think the random card generators are good it only is bad luck that me let me feel that it is hacked or against me ... somedays i have luck somedays not ,that is how it is but thats poker accept these things or leave poker for ever

 

[puzzlefish]

Do you watch online poker tournaments? Do you follow/rail any of the players? Do you follow (or have you followed) the HSMTT action online? There are & have been hundreds who are regularly winning. The ones crushing it 10yrs. ago often aren't competitive today but they were 10yrs. ago. Today it obviously takes more work but there are many out there who are doing it. (hint: they're not the ones looking for 'patterns' in the deal)

I'm assuming that you must follow and rail a lot of these players. For someone that does, you sure don't have much to contribute other than saying that so many of them exist.

If there are hundreds of them that regularly win and are crushing it today, then who are some of them? In this topic we're talking about those that do so consistently across multiple platforms so it should make it a bit easier for you to mention even one that is crushing games regularly across multiple platforms.

 

[StealTheButton]

I'm fairly certain that the RNGs do not produce a static deck that deals the cards out from a predetermined order. It would make sense for the deck to be in a state of constant shuffle even while a game/hand is being played.

The RNG system basically randomly deals a card from the available cards not previously dealt. There is likely no "deck".

My assumption is based that using a continuous shuffle, or random selection from the cards yet to be dealt, would increase the level of entropy and reduce any risk of a person being able to "hack" the deck to see what card is next to be dealt.

It's likely the RNG simply randomly selects any card from the available cards, and deals that card next.

There are no burn cards. There is no cutting of the deck. There isn't even a "shuffle" per se.

The cards are chosen at random starting from the 52 cards, and dealt out to the players and board. Once a card has been dealt, it's no longer available for the RNG to select.

I do remember, though I can't remember what site, that they were under fire for a flaw in their RNG. The flaw was that the deck when shuffled, excluded the possibility of the bottom card to still be on the bottom after the shuffle. This does more than imply that there is a deck, shuffle, and a pre-determined order of the cards. I would think that most of the sites use very similar RNG's.

 

[marcopolo12]

My brother once told me he thought he got robbed with the cards. I jotted down two hundred hands and proved him wrong. I was fairly distributed.

 

[LukasynoACAB]

Random card generators its a magic , u think u have strongest hand and the river card its a big trouble usually so its lottery as a lotto 😃😃😃

 

[Adi8877]

I played plenty times live, mostly just with "friends", but the cards are cards. Also did 10K+ hands 8, 9 max both, just dealt them myself, cards up, wanted to proove it to myself.
Nobody ever can make me believe a machine can simulate real life. Also stands it for online poker, as never experienced the online insane runs in live, and the rest dont care, as 99% of them just talking, didnt even do that small things to make sure about it, what i did. Also have some clue about the programming, and how a poker room operates, and the ways how they can f*ck you through, like every aspect of life, as everything includes money, if they can, they do....

just my opinion....

 

[Poker Orifice]

I played plenty times live, mostly just with "friends", but the cards are cards. Also did 10K+ hands 8, 9 max both, just dealt them myself, cards up, wanted to proove it to myself.
Nobody ever can make me believe a machine can simulate real life. Also stands it for online poker, as never experienced the online insane runs in live, and the rest dont care, as 99% of them just talking, didnt even do that small things to make sure about it, what i did. Also have some clue about the programming, and how a poker room operates, and the ways how they can f*ck you through, like every aspect of life, as everything includes money, if they can, they do....

just my opinion....

You dealt out 10,000 hands live to yourself,.. ?? Checking for what???
How did you keep a record of them and what did it prove to you??? (show us the stats.)

 

[StealTheButton]

You dealt out 10,000 hands live to yourself,.. ?? Checking for what???
How did you keep a record of them and what did it prove to you??? (show us the stats.)

I want to hear more about this!!!....

 

[Poker Orifice]

I'm assuming that you must follow and rail a lot of these players. For someone that does, you sure don't have much to contribute other than saying that so many of them exist.

If there are hundreds of them that regularly win and are crushing it today, then who are some of them? In this topic we're talking about those that do so consistently across multiple platforms so it should make it a bit easier for you to mention even one that is crushing games regularly across multiple platforms.

I think it makes things much more clear to realize that you are not aware of any.

Fact: none of them see patterns in the deal, LMAO

 

[Gotmog1]

I doubt the randomness of hands in online poker.

 

[tobiasthybo]

pretty random

 

[TeUnit]

A RNG is pretty easy to make, why would they bother making a non RNG.

If you believe its rigged why would you ever even bother playing?

 

[puzzlefish]

I'm assuming that you must follow and rail a lot of these players. For someone that does, you sure don't have much to contribute other than saying that so many of them exist.

If there are hundreds of them that regularly win and are crushing it today, then who are some of them? In this topic we're talking about those that do so consistently across multiple platforms so it should make it a bit easier for you to mention even one that is crushing games regularly across multiple platforms.

I think it makes things much more clear to realize that you are not aware of any.

Fact: none of them see patterns in the deal, LMAO

For reference I included my post that you quoted.

You don't even answer the question. Name even one online player that is crushing consistently across multiple different poker sites.

I think I've played this back-and-forth game enough with you. I'm satisfied that talking with you about this is a waste of time.

 

[puzzlefish]

A RNG is pretty easy to make, why would they bother making a non RNG.

If you believe its rigged why would you ever even bother playing?

What's wrong with playing and winning even if you think it is rigged?

 

[Gallarado777]

I'll tell you one thing you can trust this random number generator even have a video on YouTube you can watch you believe after watching the video

 

[elchonga]

I've played a lot online and a lot live
I think there is no difference except the number of hands played

 

[TeUnit]

What's wrong with playing and winning even if you think it is rigged?

Nothing, but if you are winning and you think its rigged, what did you do to get on the winners list?

 

[Poker Orifice]

For reference I included my post that you quoted.

You don't even answer the question. Name even one online player that is crushing consistently across multiple different poker sites.

I think I've played this back-and-forth game enough with you. I'm satisfied that talking with you about this is a waste of time.

I'm certain that spending any more than this 5 seconds on you is a waste of time.

As far as player's names go... do your own homework. There are MANY! (do you think 'regs' just keep on playing but without winning?)

 

[TeUnit]

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[puzzlefish]

Nothing, but if you are winning and you think its rigged, what did you do to get on the winners list?

If it's rigged in a way to make players lose 5-10% more than they usually would, then they can still win but less. Something being rigged doesn't imply that you always only lose while playing it.

 

[puzzlefish]

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Ok that's a leaderboard, but it doesn't show how well any player does across several platforms. I was looking for an example of a player that consistently does well over several different poker sites. It's ok, I don't need you to look for that because the question was initially for PO.