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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Bad beats does not mean, that the card generation is not random. It is just our brain, that play tricks with us, because we tend to take it for granted, when the best hand hold up but notice it, when it does not. And we also tend to remember it, when our opponent hit the 1-outer or the runner-runner against us but quickly forget it, when we do the same to our opponent.
Fishmasterbaiter
Visionary
Silver Level
No Sir
No Sir I don't trust it at all. I've read a lot of compelling stuff about how the algorithm goofs things up to keep play interesting. The one thing I've noticed is when short stack has a great hand but large stack always rivers the nuts. Find that very odd and occurs often.
No Sir I don't trust it at all. I've read a lot of compelling stuff about how the algorithm goofs things up to keep play interesting. The one thing I've noticed is when short stack has a great hand but large stack always rivers the nuts. Find that very odd and occurs often.
Datdude1
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Bronze Level
I think that there is always going to be some sort of distrust when you are online playing against images on a screen. In my opinion, any time you can't physically see your opponent it's a questionable game of chance but we play anyway...
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James24543
Rock Star
Silver Level
No, I don't trust online poker. You don't know who or what is sitting at the table. But with freerolls and playing with freeroll winnings you have nothing to lose. An employee of the online casino could very well be sitting at a cash game with viewing access to everyone's hole cards.
VITOS
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Many players who say that online poker Scam reinforce their words by the fact that they often got into the so-called "cooler". Under the cooler understand the situation when the player merges the entire stack, having good cards on hand. As a rule, this is due to the fact that two or more opponents get quite strong starting hands that do not want to fold.
So, for example, if you get your hands on a couple of KK, and your opponent a couple of AA, then you will both be sure of your victory and move all the chips in all-in, such cases are called coolers. Both parties from the point of view of the strategy makes the correct action, but the victory will likely go to your opponent. Moreover, it is noted that such cases are more profitable for the room, because confident in their cards poker players are distributing large, as much as possible inflating the Bank, and thus increasing the rake of the room.
So, for example, if you get your hands on a couple of KK, and your opponent a couple of AA, then you will both be sure of your victory and move all the chips in all-in, such cases are called coolers. Both parties from the point of view of the strategy makes the correct action, but the victory will likely go to your opponent. Moreover, it is noted that such cases are more profitable for the room, because confident in their cards poker players are distributing large, as much as possible inflating the Bank, and thus increasing the rake of the room.
thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Are poker rooms reliable?
I suspect that poker software has a distribution of bonus cards some time, it is the 3rd time that I am eliminated from a turbo tournament in very similar situations:
hero KcKh villain KdJd
villain very deep, call, I about 20BB in MTT turbo, I go all in, I see players call with J5s, Ax in the previous hands, so I went all-in because I was sure to take with of players with hands marginal and villainous of the call of KJs and beats Straight, being that the probability of me to win, according to odds Calculator is of 85.35%, according to the sites the same are totally reliable.
In live poker this is much, much more rare of a KK losing to a KJ. And in online poker hands with big odds winning lose with a frequency that runs counter to mathematical probability, is what I think.
I suspect that poker software has a distribution of bonus cards some time, it is the 3rd time that I am eliminated from a turbo tournament in very similar situations:
hero KcKh villain KdJd
villain very deep, call, I about 20BB in MTT turbo, I go all in, I see players call with J5s, Ax in the previous hands, so I went all-in because I was sure to take with of players with hands marginal and villainous of the call of KJs and beats Straight, being that the probability of me to win, according to odds Calculator is of 85.35%, according to the sites the same are totally reliable.
In live poker this is much, much more rare of a KK losing to a KJ. And in online poker hands with big odds winning lose with a frequency that runs counter to mathematical probability, is what I think.
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berryryan2488
Rock Star
Silver Level
I understand that bad beats happen. I understand that cold streaks happen. I get that you see more cards in a short amount of time. That is all basic, common poker knowledge. However, the amount of times that a bad beat happens, not just any bad beats, ridiculous bad betas, especially a smaller stack vs a bigger stack is statistically unlikely based on the amount of times that it has happened to me, and to countless other players. I really never wanted to jump on the "it's rigged" bandwagon, but even I'm beginning to become suspicious. You can't ignore patterns based on a biased view on how things in poker tend to play out. Trust me, I used that same logic for a long time. I truly believe that there is a slight manipulation in percentages that favor bigger stacks, giving them the advantage while allowing smaller to stacks to still win every so often. The bad beats I have seen are absolutely astounding. I get that it happens, and that it's poker. But the frequency towards the amount that they happen is the problem, not the fact that they happen period.
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Veritas
Rock Star
Silver Level
you can trust every big poker site.
those are just some bad beat conspiracies…..
those are just some bad beat conspiracies…..
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
And what would a poker site even achieve by that? To make people buy in to another tournament, because they busted faster in this one? Thats possible maybe, but bad beats tend to make people very angry, and when they get angry, some of them stop playing completely. So is it really good for a poker site to make players angry by putting more bad beats on them? I dont think so.
Also there are other ways for poker sites to finish tournaments faster, like decreasing the time between blind increases. Which has a much more pronounced effect than any slight rigging of the algoritm to bust short stacks could ever have. And a lot of players choose these fast structures anyway, so does poker sites really need to force it on the rest? To me it become outright silly, when someone put forward this theory and then tell, that he is playing turbos
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thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Difficult.
In some hands, where the odds of winning are high, I'm often missing out on live poker:
I lost AA against Jc7c, flop 3hAd8c, hit river flush.
In another I lost, villain raised the button with 22, hero 88, flop 3 3 A turn 4 river 5.
In another hero with AQs, villain 85o.
And I see other players with strong hands losing to players with marginal hands, at a large frequency, it does not appear that these cards leave randomly.
When I was writing, I lost a hand in 888, hero KK, All I took a call from AQs, AA, 77, AQ, who won?
AQ did sequence. I doubt that in the live the premiuns hands will lose, AA and KK losing to two hands of AQ, with that frequency.
In some hands, where the odds of winning are high, I'm often missing out on live poker:
I lost AA against Jc7c, flop 3hAd8c, hit river flush.
In another I lost, villain raised the button with 22, hero 88, flop 3 3 A turn 4 river 5.
In another hero with AQs, villain 85o.
And I see other players with strong hands losing to players with marginal hands, at a large frequency, it does not appear that these cards leave randomly.
When I was writing, I lost a hand in 888, hero KK, All I took a call from AQs, AA, 77, AQ, who won?
AQ did sequence. I doubt that in the live the premiuns hands will lose, AA and KK losing to two hands of AQ, with that frequency.
thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Very difficult
I just lost another hand where the opponent's mathematical probability is 11.9%, hero with AA vs. A3s and hit the flush, I see AA losing with a frequency that contradicts the mathematical probability of the game itself, more not just AA, II also other more premiuns losing to marginal hands.
AA vs. A3s, 11.9%
Second, the students of the game that AA loses are small against all other hands, but on the online poker sites I see an AA losing with a very large frequency, I started to write every time I get AA, and the 5 hands I I wrote I lost 4, I advise to do the same, the best pre-flop hand is giving me damage. I will write down all AA and results for 30 days and I will post the results in detail
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I just lost another hand where the opponent's mathematical probability is 11.9%, hero with AA vs. A3s and hit the flush, I see AA losing with a frequency that contradicts the mathematical probability of the game itself, more not just AA, II also other more premiuns losing to marginal hands.
AA vs. A3s, 11.9%
Second, the students of the game that AA loses are small against all other hands, but on the online poker sites I see an AA losing with a very large frequency, I started to write every time I get AA, and the 5 hands I I wrote I lost 4, I advise to do the same, the best pre-flop hand is giving me damage. I will write down all AA and results for 30 days and I will post the results in detail
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SAKhur
Rock Star
Silver Level
In online poker, the distribution of cards is faster, so losses occur more often. Because of this, I lost confidence in this game on the network. But in live poker, the same tough moves happen less often. Therefore, I believe that online poker is important experience and understanding of the game program. At all sites the program play different
thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Difficult.
Good morning, I show another hand where the mathematical probability gives me the chance to win in 81.2%, I played today 07/07/2109, in a MTT turbo micro, villain shortstak with 66 and wins me 77, which I'm complaining is that often c when the mathematical probability of the game is that I win, today in less than 80min I took 3bads, if I trust the online poker site, no.
I play because I take pleasure in playing poker, I really like the theoretical part of poker, the math, most do not play expensive tournaments.
Online poker cradiz what says the mathematical probability of the game is what in practice would be impossible.
In live poker you rarely see an AA losing in online poker I see AA losing at a very high frequency, I lost from AA to A3s.
Good morning, I show another hand where the mathematical probability gives me the chance to win in 81.2%, I played today 07/07/2109, in a MTT turbo micro, villain shortstak with 66 and wins me 77, which I'm complaining is that often c when the mathematical probability of the game is that I win, today in less than 80min I took 3bads, if I trust the online poker site, no.
I play because I take pleasure in playing poker, I really like the theoretical part of poker, the math, most do not play expensive tournaments.
Online poker cradiz what says the mathematical probability of the game is what in practice would be impossible.
In live poker you rarely see an AA losing in online poker I see AA losing at a very high frequency, I lost from AA to A3s.
thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Se houver uma possibilidade do evento ocorrer, então, de tempos em tempos, ele ocorrerá. Mas nem sempre. [/ Quote] Eu concordo, no poker online as cartas não vão aleatoriamente, ou aleatoriamente, e sim elas estão programadas, uma prova disso é que se eu seguir 100 mãos seguidas de qual torneio ao vivo e 100 mãos de torneios de poker online, vou chegar à conclusão de que muito mais frequentemente no poker online é formado seqüências mãos e flushs do que no poker online, AA perdendo muito mais do que no poker ao vivo, e pode perceber que on-line um jogador com uma premiun mão perde mais vezes para jogadores com mãos Marginal, esta forma marginal sempre forma uma sequência ou flush.
Eu perdi AA para JJ, e acertei um flop no 2d Ad Jh flop, e o vilão milagrosamente conseguiu flush em ouro, o problema que esta situação se repete em uma frequência muito maior do que a matemática do jogo de pôquer em si.
Estou tendo prezuiso jogando AA ou KK.
thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Difficult.
I'm comparing the hands of online poker vs live poker.
I wrote down the 10 th hands of the live poker tournament, the final table of the 11 th ept Londons 2014-pokerstars main event.
It is notorious for the difference, in live poker there is not even a hand that has little chance of winning, winning by making a sequence or flush. Already in online poker I see this type of situation repeating with great frequency, hands premiuns knocking on the flop and losing to smaller pairs, smaller pairs doing flush.
In online poker, the first 10 hands that no one made a straight or flush, the mathematical probability is difficult to do, the ten hands online that I noted three flush, and the three were losing pre-flop, which is a standard the poker sites, you are with AA or KK and flush villain or sequence with hand as A5s, the chance to hit 3 cards equals small, and three letters that make the flush to the villain is even smaller and is repeated frequently .
In online poker, the 5th hand, three players played the pot Kcks vs ASQC vs QsJs, and favorite hand had not surprise pre-flop, flop Th8h8s and 6c river Qd, the 9th hand was 6h6d vs QsQh, flop Ah2hJs for its time Kd river 5c favorite hand with pre-flop victories, now online 88 vs 22, unlikely sequence 3 3 4 5, is repeated often, it is difficult to rely on online poker, compare 100 hands of poker online with online live and you will notice a big difference in the results, most often gaining more hands with weak unlikely sequels and flushes in online poker, it is the same game with the same format the same number of cards, the results may not be so different.
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I'm comparing the hands of online poker vs live poker.
I wrote down the 10 th hands of the live poker tournament, the final table of the 11 th ept Londons 2014-pokerstars main event.
It is notorious for the difference, in live poker there is not even a hand that has little chance of winning, winning by making a sequence or flush. Already in online poker I see this type of situation repeating with great frequency, hands premiuns knocking on the flop and losing to smaller pairs, smaller pairs doing flush.
In online poker, the first 10 hands that no one made a straight or flush, the mathematical probability is difficult to do, the ten hands online that I noted three flush, and the three were losing pre-flop, which is a standard the poker sites, you are with AA or KK and flush villain or sequence with hand as A5s, the chance to hit 3 cards equals small, and three letters that make the flush to the villain is even smaller and is repeated frequently .
In online poker, the 5th hand, three players played the pot Kcks vs ASQC vs QsJs, and favorite hand had not surprise pre-flop, flop Th8h8s and 6c river Qd, the 9th hand was 6h6d vs QsQh, flop Ah2hJs for its time Kd river 5c favorite hand with pre-flop victories, now online 88 vs 22, unlikely sequence 3 3 4 5, is repeated often, it is difficult to rely on online poker, compare 100 hands of poker online with online live and you will notice a big difference in the results, most often gaining more hands with weak unlikely sequels and flushes in online poker, it is the same game with the same format the same number of cards, the results may not be so different.
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thwenth1983
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Today I played another hand, where the weaker pre-flop hand won, a fact that I see repeated at a frequency that is contrary to the probability of the game.
Hero AhKh 37.12%, player 2 AdQs 18.66%, player 3 TcTd 42.89%.
flop Ts5dQc, at that time the TT tricked and has a 84.19% chance to win, my AhKh, has 13.11% and the AdQs has only 1.42% chance of winning, and which hand won? AdQs.
If you get 20 hands of online poker vs. 20 hands of live poker all in a nutshell, you will realize that in online poker the results are many different from live poker, hands that are favorite lose in online poker for hands that almost have or do not have much little chance to win, how many times live poker has flush or sequence and compare with online poker, I'm just asking a question if it's the same game, same format, because the results are so different? Because in online poker AA and KK lose much more times than in live poker, how can this be possible?
Today I played another hand, where the weaker pre-flop hand won, a fact that I see repeated at a frequency that is contrary to the probability of the game.
Hero AhKh 37.12%, player 2 AdQs 18.66%, player 3 TcTd 42.89%.
flop Ts5dQc, at that time the TT tricked and has a 84.19% chance to win, my AhKh, has 13.11% and the AdQs has only 1.42% chance of winning, and which hand won? AdQs.
If you get 20 hands of online poker vs. 20 hands of live poker all in a nutshell, you will realize that in online poker the results are many different from live poker, hands that are favorite lose in online poker for hands that almost have or do not have much little chance to win, how many times live poker has flush or sequence and compare with online poker, I'm just asking a question if it's the same game, same format, because the results are so different? Because in online poker AA and KK lose much more times than in live poker, how can this be possible?
thwenth1983
Visionary
Platinum Level
Difficult.
Once again I was eliminated from a tournament with a very strong hand AsKs 74.96% vs KdJc 23.93%, and 4 hands before I saw an AcAd 79.69% vs Jd9d 19.88%, losing to a hand much more frank, in previous posting I have said that it is a standard hands premiuns AA and KK, losing to weaker hands, being that these hands make sequencing or flush, the probability of doing a sequence with J9, is very small and is a standard in poker sites, very different from live poker, hardly, AA or KK loses, in online poker, AA loses direct if the cards of the online come out by chance as in live poker because the results of live poker is so different from online poker?
Once again I was eliminated from a tournament with a very strong hand AsKs 74.96% vs KdJc 23.93%, and 4 hands before I saw an AcAd 79.69% vs Jd9d 19.88%, losing to a hand much more frank, in previous posting I have said that it is a standard hands premiuns AA and KK, losing to weaker hands, being that these hands make sequencing or flush, the probability of doing a sequence with J9, is very small and is a standard in poker sites, very different from live poker, hardly, AA or KK loses, in online poker, AA loses direct if the cards of the online come out by chance as in live poker because the results of live poker is so different from online poker?
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crankmuppet
Visionary
Silver Level
Warning - trust no one (site)!
No one will ever be able to prove, one way or the other, the "randomness" of the online R!N!G.
Unless some software developer goes all Snowden on some site. That site would then however use all it's considerable resources to discredit the developer and debunk his claims. Instead of Edward Snowden versus The United States of America think Joe Propeller Head versus Amaya Gaming.
Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose - the odds are always in the houses favour.
My penny roll is dwindling - time to go donkluck the heck out of a freeroll.
No one will ever be able to prove, one way or the other, the "randomness" of the online R!N!G.
Unless some software developer goes all Snowden on some site. That site would then however use all it's considerable resources to discredit the developer and debunk his claims. Instead of Edward Snowden versus The United States of America think Joe Propeller Head versus Amaya Gaming.
Don't gamble more than you can afford to lose - the odds are always in the houses favour.
My penny roll is dwindling - time to go donkluck the heck out of a freeroll.