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[fishinthesea]

3bet pot very awkward spot

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (poker stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 29, 05:09:20 ET 2015
Table Viking (real money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $35.06 USD ) - VPIP: 90, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 4.2, Hands: 50
Seat 2: Player2 ( $35.85 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 5.0, hands: 34
Seat 3: Player3 ( $34.08 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 1.8, Hands: 35
Seat 4: Hero ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 7723
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.10 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 25
Player5 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Qc ]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$0.77 USD]
Hero raises [$2.75 USD]
Player5 folds
Player1 calls [$2.50 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.98 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Th, 4s ]
Player1 bets [$0.25 USD]
Player3 raises [$2.58 USD]
Hero calls [$2.58 USD]
Player1 calls [$2.33 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Player1 checks
Player3 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Player1 bets [$1.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.00 USD]

Hero ????

 

[Figaroo2]

I really really don't like your actions on the flop here. Cbet or check and fold to the tight players raise.
It's still a fold on the end even with the good odds you are beaten by 2 pair. If you had cbet the flop you might still have been able to bluff raise on the end to rep a bigger 2 pair but not now.

 

[mottotom27]

you called $2.50 on flop after a bet and a raise with just K high?? seems a tad on the loose side.

 

[Arran]

Hi all. I was wondering if you could go through my stats and see if they are standard? Im kinda breakeven right now and I feel im playing really well, I dont know whats going wrong though. I play 25nl 6max

(14k hand sample)

VPIP: 17
PFR: 14
3b: 5.1%
WTSD%: 25.4
W$SD%: 55.5
AF: 2.54

PF steal: 30.6
Flop fold vs cbet: 55.7
Flop cbet: 45.8
W$WSF: 42
Fold to 3b pre: 72

Is it aggression? I feel im playing aggressive pre and postflop with draws etc so I dont know why its low.

Thanks

 

[Arran]

 

[Figaroo2]

Hi all. I was wondering if you could go through my stats and see if they are standard? Im kinda breakeven right now and I feel im playing really well, I dont know whats going wrong though. I play 25nl 6max

(14k hand sample)

VPIP: 17 a bit nitty for 6max try to get this up to 22whilst keeping the same vpip /pfr gap.
PFR: 14
3b: 5.1% 7-8 is ideal
WTSD%: 25.4
W$SD%: 55.5
AF: 2.54 Too low looking for 3.5

PF steal: 30.6 imo too low
Flop fold vs cbet: 55.7
Flop cbet: 45.8 way too low 68-75%
W$WSF: 42
Fold to 3b pre: 72 too high

Is it aggression? I feel im playing aggressive pre and postflop with draws etc so I dont know why its low.

Thanks

Yes the reasons why you are only breakeven are fairly clear to see in your stats.
If you don't know why then 6 max 25nl is with respect too high a level for you at the moment and i would advise dropping a level.
Your cbet percent is way too low that is a definite leak.
Play in position more with more hands and 3bets from the btn & CO and cbet more. call a few more 3bets in position and or develop a 4 betting strategy from late position.
im sure John will add some finerdetails
You aren't far away.

 

[Arran]

I usually cbet mostly depending on villain type/ fold to cbet%. Is board texture more important?

 

[Figaroo2]

I usually cbet mostly depending on villain type/ fold to cbet%. Is board texture more important?

Yes texture is important . If you are the preflop raiser then you should be betting nearly all flops with an ace or king whether you have one or not as those cards are in your perceived preflop raising range. The only time you might not is if someone is 100% cbet call and you are oop with little chance of improving.
You should also cbet dry textures that are difficult to hit like Q82 rainbow, paired boards and monotone boards. The board to avoid is wet with middling cards which hits the callers perceived range and you have nothing
This is basic stuff from the workbook man.

 

[mottotom27]

Your WTSD is probably slightly too high too Arran. Also you can steal/3bet more

 

[John A]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 29, 05:09:20 ET 2015
Table Viking (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $35.06 USD ) - VPIP: 90, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 4.2, Hands: 50
Seat 2: Player2 ( $35.85 USD ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 5.0, Hands: 34
Seat 3: Player3 ( $34.08 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 1.8, Hands: 35
Seat 4: Hero ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 7723
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.10 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 16, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 25
Player5 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Qc ]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$0.77 USD]
Hero raises [$2.75 USD]
Player5 folds
Player1 calls [$2.50 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.98 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Th, 4s ]
Player1 bets [$0.25 USD]
Player3 raises [$2.58 USD]
Hero calls [$2.58 USD]
Player1 calls [$2.33 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Player1 checks
Player3 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Player1 bets [$1.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.00 USD]

Hero ????

Here's my honest opinion. I think it's great that you're thinking about how to play these spots, and you're trying to rep ranges real well. But really, I'd focus mostly on bet sizing, and profiling players and how to exploit their play. This is what these stakes are for. Then, as you get this part nailed down really well, you'll be fully ready to rep hands and make some good bluffs. Don't read that as never bluff, but don't try and get too fancy at these stakes.

In this hand you're cold calling a regs raise against a droolers donk bet. Yes, this looks strong... to the REG maybe. The drooler, who knows because he called... so he can't be thinking too deeply here (** psst... it's clue because he should be the F out of this hand). And then checking the turn on that blank, you're repping a set trying to slow down or a decent high pair pot controlling. So yes, you can probably get the reg to fold enough for a raise to be profitable, but I'd estimate it as close in terms of pot to fold ration. But the drooler, who knows. So trying to push both of them off is going to be long term - EV. I'm not saying it's huge -EV, but my general recommendation is, don't do it. Focus on those other parts of your game. You have to put one foot in front of the other before you try and run a marathon.

Speaking of which, I am marathon training right now. But more importantly, I've been writing a blog about how to train from the ground up to be successful at poker. I'm really just going over what approach I took, but I think it should be helpful to a lot of peeps on here.

 

[John A]

Hi all. I was wondering if you could go through my stats and see if they are standard? Im kinda breakeven right now and I feel im playing really well, I dont know whats going wrong though. I play 25nl 6max

(14k hand sample)

VPIP: 17
PFR: 14
3b: 5.1%
WTSD%: 25.4
W$SD%: 55.5
AF: 2.54

PF steal: 30.6
Flop fold vs cbet: 55.7
Flop cbet: 45.8
W$WSF: 42
Fold to 3b pre: 72

Is it aggression? I feel im playing aggressive pre and postflop with draws etc so I dont know why its low.

Thanks

Because you're missing turn and river value bets and profitable double barreling spots.

Thanks for posting... I mean, there are several things going on here. We've gone over this quite a bit, does anyone have some summaries of how these stats should start to look for Arran?

You need to almost flip flop your 3-bet by position. Your 3-bets should be coming from in position mostly, not out.

 

[John A]

Your WTSD is probably slightly too high too Arran. Also you can steal/3bet more

All good feedback from everyone so far.

You guys are on it!

 

[fishinthesea]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 29, 05:09:20 ET 2015
Table Viking (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $35.06 USD ) - VPIP: 88, PFR: 20, 3B: 15, AF: 4.8, Hands: 65
Seat 2: Player2 ( $35.85 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 24, 3B: 6, AF: 1.5, Hands: 50
Seat 3: Player3 ( $34.08 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 9, AF: 2.3, Hands: 54
Seat 4: Hero ( $25.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 7822
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.10 USD ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.4, Hands: 44
Player5 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player1 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Qc ]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$0.77 USD]
Hero raises [$2.75 USD]
Player5 folds
Player1 calls [$2.50 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.98 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Th, 4s ]
Player1 bets [$0.25 USD]
Player3 raises [$2.58 USD]
Hero calls [$2.58 USD]
Player1 calls [$2.33 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
Player1 checks
Player3 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
Player1 bets [$1.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.00 USD]
Hero raises [$19.67 USD]
Player1 folds
Player3 folds
Hero shows [Kh, Qc ]
Hero wins $18.14 USD from main pot
Hero wins $18.67 USD

Here's the rest of the hand. I appreciate everyone's advice and will take it into consideration and I will definitely be more aware of these situations as they arise. However, I'd like to share my thought process . My HUD stats were pretty tight at the time 17/12/1.1AF. After the river card, I felt that the reg being in a squeezed position had to play normally. Keeping in mind I did 3-bet the pot to begin with, so I could easily be repping a high pocket pair including 10's.What made me shove was because after the fish bet $1(super small bet relative to the pot) and then the reg only flat called, it showed the reg was scared of me acting after. All of this added up and I just shoved and prayed...
On a side note, I think another important thing about this hand is choosing the right people to bluff. Regs are capable of folding big hands. He said he had QQ and put me on AA or TT afterwards.

 

[rhombus]

All good feedback from everyone so far.

You guys are on it!

Sorry I couldnt help, Im useless with HUD stats LOL

what are the best combo of stats for good reads i.e. someone with
high VPIP and High Fold to CBET plays fit or fold

whats combos relate to W$WSF??

 

[Figaroo2]

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
He said he had QQ and put me on AA or TT afterwards.

I agree with John, I don't like the shove against two..seriously with QQ i'd have been looking you up all day every day here the way you played the hand.
Mind you with QQ id have been raising on the end for value

 

[w0oferr]

View attachment 74436

how can i get my position stats like this?

 

[rhombus]

how can i get my position stats like this?

not sure what you mean. You have to have holdem manager and click on the position option, heres mine

 

[w0oferr]

yea I have HM 2, I found it!Thanks for your answer tough.

 

[John A]

Here's the rest of the hand. I appreciate everyone's advice and will take it into consideration and I will definitely be more aware of these situations as they arise. However, I'd like to share my thought process . My HUD stats were pretty tight at the time 17/12/1.1AF. After the river card, I felt that the reg being in a squeezed position had to play normally. Keeping in mind I did 3-bet the pot to begin with, so I could easily be repping a high pocket pair including 10's.What made me shove was because after the fish bet $1(super small bet relative to the pot) and then the reg only flat called, it showed the reg was scared of me acting after. All of this added up and I just shoved and prayed...
On a side note, I think another important thing about this hand is choosing the right people to bluff. Regs are capable of folding big hands. He said he had QQ and put me on AA or TT afterwards.

Yes, of course, and that's good you had tight stats because that does add to the story. But I just hope you didn't miss what I said. We aren't really worried about the reg, we can probably fold him out even though our hand doesn't make much sense. We're concerned about the drooler who might decide to call with Tx or 88 for that matter.

But like I said, it's good you're thinking about these spots and being aware because this will pay off later as you move up.

 

[John A]

http://acepokersolutions.com/poker-blog/how-to-train-your-game-in-poker/

So this post is my personal poker story. At least, how I got started, and I how studied the game so I could be successful at it. I also intertwine some of my business story, since it goes hand in hand. It's a lot of text, but hopefully some useful info as well. I tried to break down some of the important parts of when I JUST started and what I focused on and how I trained.

 

[fishinthesea]

Yes, of course, and that's good you had tight stats because that does add to the story. But I just hope you didn't miss what I said. We aren't really worried about the reg, we can probably fold him out even though our hand doesn't make much sense. We're concerned about the drooler who might decide to call with Tx or 88 for that matter.

But like I said, it's good you're thinking about these spots and being aware because this will pay off later as you move up.

Ok, got it. I know I'm only posting hands where I make a big bluff, and believe me, I am rarely in those situations. I think I may have been a little steamy too because I lost like $13 the hand before and re-bought. I will definitely keep everything you said in mind.

 

[John A]

Ok, got it. I know I'm only posting hands where I make a big bluff, and believe me, I am rarely in those situations. I think I may have been a little steamy too because I lost like $13 the hand before and re-bought. I will definitely keep everything you said in mind.

No tilt bluffs allowed in here. Yeah, I figured as much, and I knew your bluff worked when you posted it both times. But that's what we're here for... to knock you down and tell you what a horrible bluff it is. lol

In all seriousness, you're doing great from what I can see so far. You're going to move up fast once you get solid on a few more things.

 

[ph0n3_j4ck]

Playing in the small blind

I have trouble playing in the small blind with these type of hands (77 and below) in unopened pots. My thought process was that the villain definitely did not hit the 4, but his range definitely could have hit that 7 as he flatted me on the flop (2 overs is not out of the question too, but I rather him have two overs). It just doesn't make sense why he was betting so aggressively to rep the 7 and the 10 though. How I can improve on playing these type of hands in the SB in unopened pots and what I should be doing in this hand specifically?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $26.41 (105.6 bb) VP/Pfr/ag%/AG : 20/18/30%/1.8 (83 hands)
BB: $23.68 (94.7 bb) VP/Pfr/ag%/AG : 32/9/55%/6.0 (80 hands)
MP: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
CO: $19.91 (79.6 bb)
BTN: $31.88 (127.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6

6

MP folds, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 7

4

4

(3 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25, CO folds

Turn: ($4.75) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.87, Hero calls $2.87

River: ($10.49) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $6.49

 

[ph0n3_j4ck]

KJs in position in 3bet pot

Should I be folding on the flop re-raise? I opted to call, but what is my best option after all is said and done?
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $35.42 (141.7 bb)
BB: $23.96 (95.8 bb)
MP: $21.17 (84.7 bb) vp/pf/ag%/ag/3b : 33/25/36%/1.9/5.0% (81 hands)
Hero (CO): $72.52 (290.1 bb) vp/pf/ag%/ag/3b : 19/16/30%/1.8/6.5% (82 hands)
BTN: $25.98 (103.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

K

MP raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.20, 3 folds, MP calls $1.45

Flop: ($4.75) K

4

6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.25, MP raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($15.75) Q

(2 players)
MP bets $7

Hero??

 

[Gorak]

Should I be folding on the flop re-raise? I opted to call, but what is my best option after all is said and done?
Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $35.42 (141.7 bb)
BB: $23.96 (95.8 bb)
MP: $21.17 (84.7 bb) vp/pf/ag%/ag/3b : 33/25/36%/1.9/5.0% (81 hands)
Hero (CO): $72.52 (290.1 bb) vp/pf/ag%/ag/3b : 19/16/30%/1.8/6.5% (82 hands)
BTN: $25.98 (103.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

K

MP raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.20, 3 folds, MP calls $1.45

Flop: ($4.75) K

4

6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.25, MP raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($15.75) Q

(2 players)
MP bets $7

Hero??

I'm not the expert here but I'd just fold on the flop after the check raise. In those situations I'm usually deader then a hammer. (sets, over pairs or out kicked)