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[SIZE=-1]Got two hands here, assuming no reads. Both Hyper Turbo Heads Up ($1.50).

pokerstars Hand #163224206299: Tournament #1764501312, $1.44+$0.06 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2016/12/19 22:27:12 ET
Table '1764501312 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: JMVIndustry (394 in chips)
Seat 2: Gol5050Gol (606 in chips)
Gol5050Gol: posts small blind 15
JMVIndustry: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :qc4::7s4:
Gol5050Gol: calls 15
JMVIndustry: checks
*** FLOP *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:js4::qd4::jh4:[/SIZE][/SIZE] JMVIndustry: checks
Gol5050Gol: checks
*** TURN *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:js4::qd4::jh4::2d4:[/SIZE] JMVIndustry: checks[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Gol5050Gol: bets 30
JMVIndustry: calls 30
*** RIVER *** :js4::qd4::jh4::2d4:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]:7h4:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
JMVIndustry: bets 46
Gol5050Gol: raises 74 to 120
What should I do?

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PokerStars Hand #163224120902: Tournament #1764498827, $1.44+$0.06 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (20/40) - 2016/12/19 22:23:28 ET
Table '1764498827 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JMVIndustry (460 in chips)
Seat 2: KROONMASTER1 (540 in chips)
JMVIndustry: posts small blind 20
KROONMASTER1: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :kh4::6d4:
JMVIndustry: calls 20
KROONMASTER1: checks
*** FLOP *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:2s4::2h4::jh4:[/SIZE] KROONMASTER1: checks
JMVIndustry: checks
*** TURN *** :2s4::2h4::jh4::3c4:
KROONMASTER1: bets 80
What should I do here?


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[SIZE=-1]Got two hands here, assuming no reads. Both Hyper Turbo Heads Up ($1.50).

PokerStars Hand #163224206299: Tournament #1764501312, $1.44+$0.06 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2016/12/19 22:27:12 ET
Table '1764501312 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: JMVIndustry (394 in chips)
Seat 2: Gol5050Gol (606 in chips)
Gol5050Gol: posts small blind 15
JMVIndustry: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :qc4::7s4:
Gol5050Gol: calls 15
JMVIndustry: checks
*** FLOP *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:js4::qd4::jh4:[/SIZE][/SIZE] JMVIndustry: checks
Gol5050Gol: checks
*** TURN *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:js4::qd4::jh4::2d4:[/SIZE] JMVIndustry: checks[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Gol5050Gol: bets 30
JMVIndustry: calls 30
*** RIVER *** :js4::qd4::jh4::2d4:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]:7h4:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
JMVIndustry: bets 46
Gol5050Gol: raises 74 to 120
What should I do?

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PokerStars Hand #163224120902: Tournament #1764498827, $1.44+$0.06 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (20/40) - 2016/12/19 22:23:28 ET
Table '1764498827 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JMVIndustry (460 in chips)
Seat 2: KROONMASTER1 (540 in chips)
JMVIndustry: posts small blind 20
KROONMASTER1: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :kh4::6d4:
JMVIndustry: calls 20
KROONMASTER1: checks
*** FLOP *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:2s4::2h4::jh4:[/SIZE] KROONMASTER1: checks
JMVIndustry: checks
*** TURN *** :2s4::2h4::jh4::3c4:
KROONMASTER1: bets 80
What should I do here?


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First off heads up id raise any A/K/Q to a limp.
Top pair is a big hand heads up and you should be betting the flop for value and protection in the first hand. We do not want to be giving a naked K or A a chance at out drawing us for nothing. Betting also gives you information which if they call helps us to narrow his ranges. As played our hand is under repped but his raise on the end should only be coming from a J or 2 pair so its probably a fold.
Personally I'd call if he was generally aggro and fold if he was generally passive; unless he slow played a J from the start this board shouldn't have hit him very hard and you played it passive enough that he might be bluffing with anything.

2nd hand. raise the K pre flop and as played simple fold.
 
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The hand posted by rhombus seems atrocious.
Betting with junk. C-net with nothing.
Then checks the turn.
Then bets river and gets raised and folds.
Awful awful hand, on every single street!

This is a support thread so we try to be a little more positive and tactful in our feedback than this... and perhaps suggest ways to improve how it was played rather than just outright slamming it.

There is nothing wrong with squeezing with Q9 suited as part of a polarized 3betting range or part of a sustained pressure game, if you think the opener and caller are wide and are folding a lot to 3bets.
Once you have commited to the play, cbetting once is standard especially if your hud is telling you they fold to cbets a lot. But I agree with John, we have very few ways to improve this hand as there are no draws at all, so one and done is ok, no need to lose any more once they have called the flop in a raised pot with an Ace on the board.
 
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My pitiful stats for 2016

Played mostly MTTS from 2012 - 2015 and won a few hundred $$$ every month every year.

When I started to try cash out in 2015 I dropped alot of MTTs and tried to play more cash.

2015 lost $58 over 101K Hands, this year improved to win $80 over 133K Hands

To be honest I think I have too many mental blocks/issues to be a Cash Game Grinder, even though I know If I dedicated the time it can offer more $$$ and less variance.

Sometimes, seem to know what I'm doing and other times I havent got a Fu£$%ing clue

Goals for 2017 - a bit negative but don't think I'm gonna set any, just plod along and see how it goes, hopefully I have enough pieces of the jigsaw and maybe things will come together :)


Sidenotes - as Fig said you definitely know what you are talking about John and if I did have goals it would be to be 1/2 the player you are
Fig - you have improved alot since the start of this thread and definitley have the game to beat 50nl.

As John mentioned majority is the confidence, maybe as its a big jump financially from the micros, but definitely worth it as the 1c/2c - 5c/10c games are crippling in terms of rake. ( not sure about 50nl)

If I can suggest something. Nix the fast cash games, focus on the highest stakes you think you can support right now, and be rock solid w/ your pre-flop game. No talking yourself into a pre-flop call if you think it might be incorrect. Stay ubber solid here, and let's look at your post flop decisions. You have the skills to do this. I wouldn't blow sunshine up your butt. You're a very good player. Just stay positive about yourself going into your sessions, and be OK with yourself when you do make mistakes.

Everything is so mental, and sometimes we all need to just sit back as objectively as we can and reset ourselves. Just mentally reboot and let go of the past, and focus on a better and improved future.
 
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The hand posted by rhombus seems atrocious.
Betting with junk. C-net with nothing.
Then checks the turn.
Then bets river and gets raised and folds.
Awful awful hand, on every single street!

I encourage your feedback, and I'm pretty darn blunt myself. But let's also try and make sure we're not beating each other up too much, and try and find some positives as well. Like I just said, most of this game is mental, and we want to make sure we're all supporting each other and lifting each other up in this study group.

I agree there were lots of mistakes made, and let's just pick some more encouraging ways to say the same thing. :) It will make a difference.
 
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[SIZE=-1]Got two hands here, assuming no reads. Both Hyper Turbo Heads Up ($1.50).

PokerStars Hand #163224206299: Tournament #1764501312, $1.44+$0.06 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2016/12/19 22:27:12 ET
Table '1764501312 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: JMVIndustry (394 in chips)
Seat 2: Gol5050Gol (606 in chips)
Gol5050Gol: posts small blind 15
JMVIndustry: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :qc4::7s4:
Gol5050Gol: calls 15
JMVIndustry: checks
*** FLOP *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:js4::qd4::jh4:[/SIZE][/SIZE] JMVIndustry: checks
Gol5050Gol: checks
*** TURN *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:js4::qd4::jh4::2d4:[/SIZE] JMVIndustry: checks[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] Gol5050Gol: bets 30
JMVIndustry: calls 30
*** RIVER *** :js4::qd4::jh4::2d4:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]:7h4:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
JMVIndustry: bets 46
Gol5050Gol: raises 74 to 120
What should I do?

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I'd bet the river smaller, to induce a bluff, or check to induce. There's more bluff value to be found here than second best hand value. As played, you have to call. Maybe with more reads it could be a shove because of your stack size and his commitment threshold.

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PokerStars Hand #163224120902: Tournament #1764498827, $1.44+$0.06 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level III (20/40) - 2016/12/19 22:23:28 ET
Table '1764498827 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JMVIndustry (460 in chips)
Seat 2: KROONMASTER1 (540 in chips)
JMVIndustry: posts small blind 20
KROONMASTER1: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :kh4::6d4:
JMVIndustry: calls 20
KROONMASTER1: checks
*** FLOP *** [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]:2s4::2h4::jh4:[/SIZE] KROONMASTER1: checks
JMVIndustry: checks
*** TURN *** :2s4::2h4::jh4::3c4:
KROONMASTER1: bets 80
What should I do here?


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Raise pre-flop. Bet the flop for value. As played, it looks like a, "i want a fold bet". So just depends on opponent aggression. If he's aggressive and you're facing another bullet a high % of the time, this early w/ your stacks it's better to fold. If he's not super aggressive, I don't mind peeling here.
 
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The hand posted by rhombus seems atrocious.
Betting with junk. C-net with nothing.
Then checks the turn.
Then bets river and gets raised and folds.
Awful awful hand, on every single street!
+ 1 :eek:

PS it's a learning game, all the top pros still study otherwise they get left behind
 
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If I can suggest something. Nix the fast cash games, focus on the highest stakes you think you can support right now, and be rock solid w/ your pre-flop game. No talking yourself into a pre-flop call if you think it might be incorrect. Stay ubber solid here, and let's look at your post flop decisions. You have the skills to do this. I wouldn't blow sunshine up your butt. You're a very good player. Just stay positive about yourself going into your sessions, and be OK with yourself when you do make mistakes.

Everything is so mental, and sometimes we all need to just sit back as objectively as we can and reset ourselves. Just mentally reboot and let go of the past, and focus on a better and improved future.

Thanks John,

The Zoom parts been mentioned a few times before and I agree especially regarding reads and table selection etc, it's just a question of volume.

Tiltwise I'm actualy doing well as I tend to just laugh it off.

Seems more mental issues in terms of concentration and remembering all the good advice and forgetting the bad, so much contrasting advice.

Also the boredom factor aka being a nit hence why I occasionally play PLO which has kind of wiped out bankroll on PS.
 
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Yes, ty. I'm aware. You probably missed my posts a few posts about about this. It's because we moved servers and apparently that resource hasn't been updated. I'll have it fixed here soon.

Yeah I am a little slow on the uptake sorry I missed the post.

Yes it works now. Just wanted to thank you I downloaded it today. BTW my business domain does not receive email from your auto-send feature on the website. So I signed up a second time with a gmail domain name. Sorry if that confuses your metrics in anyway.

Thank you for the book I am starting on it today.

Have a great holiday!
 
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Yeah I am a little slow on the uptake sorry I missed the post.

Yes it works now. Just wanted to thank you I downloaded it today. BTW my business domain does not receive email from your auto-send feature on the website. So I signed up a second time with a gmail domain name. Sorry if that confuses your metrics in anyway.

Thank you for the book I am starting on it today.

Have a great holiday!

No worries, glad you got it. Look forward to you jumping in here. Happy holidays to you as well!
 
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Playing draws

Here are a couple of hands that came up one after the other.
Any comments and what do you think is the best play on the river once we whiff?

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

SB: $33.48 (111.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $30 (100 bb)
MP: $43.16 (143.9 bb)
CO: $47.03 (156.8 bb)
BTN: $12.08 (40.3 bb) VPIP: 26, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 3.7, Hands: 53

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5
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K
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2 folds, BTN raises to $0.60, SB folds,
Button steal is 50%, zero fold to 3bet
Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35) 4
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J
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2
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.67, Hero raises to $2.01, BTN calls $1.34

Turn: ($5.37) 3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $2.68, BTN calls $2.68

River: ($10.73) 3
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(2 players)
Hero?

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10 (50 bb) VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 7, AF: 2.5, Hands: 2417
Hero (BB): $20 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $7.55 (37.8 bb)
UTG+2: $7.80 (39 bb)VPIP: 29, PFR: 5, 3B: 7, AF: 3.4, Hands: 103
MP1: $21.91 (109.6 bb)
MP2: $20 (100 bb)
MP3: $23.02 (115.1 bb)
CO: $20.20 (101 bb)
BTN: $14.58 (72.9 bb) VPIP: 32, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 2.5, Hands: 22

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
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5
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UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.20, 4 folds, BTN calls $0.20, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.80) 7
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3
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4
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(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, UTG+2 raises to $1.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.80 (getting the right express odds)

Turn: ($5.60) T
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(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20 again getting 5-1 (I'm loathe to raise getting such good odds)

River: ($8) T
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(2 players)
Hero?
 
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Book was a good read.
I'll go over it once more and try to apply it to my game, esp. the parts about 3-betting.
I'll try to let you guys know how it goes.
 
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Book was a good read.
I'll go over it once more and try to apply it to my game, esp. the parts about 3-betting.
I'll try to let you guys know how it goes.

Welcome to the team :)
 
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What do you guys think about this hand? It is the Big $5.50 on PokerStars.

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PokerStars Hand #163421326843: Tournament #1760688267, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (200/400) - 2016/12/23 19:07:44 ET
Table '1760688267 124' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: HowDoWeDo (4650 in chips)
Seat 2: ljma12 (7588 in chips)
Seat 3: BAGGIK 23 (13345 in chips)
Seat 4: chrundores (8595 in chips)
Seat 5: frkeerveld (16620 in chips)
Seat 6: mark196947 (6700 in chips)
Seat 7: Alyssonspfc (11107 in chips)
Seat 8: Didi303 (3730 in chips)
Seat 9: JMVIndustry (9600 in chips)
HowDoWeDo: posts the ante 50
ljma12: posts the ante 50
BAGGIK 23: posts the ante 50
chrundores: posts the ante 50
frkeerveld: posts the ante 50
mark196947: posts the ante 50
Alyssonspfc: posts the ante 50
Didi303: posts the ante 50
JMVIndustry: posts the ante 50
ljma12: posts small blind 200
BAGGIK 23: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JMVIndustry :10s4::js4:
chrundores: folds
frkeerveld: folds
mark196947: folds
Alyssonspfc: folds
Didi303: folds
JMVIndustry: raises 480 to 880
HowDoWeDo: folds
ljma12: folds
BAGGIK 23: calls 480
*** FLOP *** :8h4::9d4::qd4:
BAGGIK 23: checks
JMVIndustry: bets 1016
BAGGIK 23: raises 1784 to 2800
JMVIndustry: calls 1784
*** TURN *** :8h4::9d4::qd4::8d4:
BAGGIK 23: bets 3200
JMVIndustry: raises 2670 to 5870 and is all-in
BAGGIK 23: calls 2670
*** RIVER *** :8h4::9d4::qd4::8d4::8c4:
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BAGGIK 23: shows :ad4::2c4: (three of a kind, Eights)
JMVIndustry: shows :10s4::js4: (a straight, Eight to Queen)
JMVIndustry collected 19750 from pot

Tough spot for me.
 
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Nice hand, I'd probably just re pop it on the flop with the nuts and a soaking wet board.
It's pretty unlikely he sticks in 2800 chips intending to fold most of the time. As it happens he was pretty weak so the way you played it by just calling the flop likely got the max out of this hand. Although there are plenty of horrible cards that can come on the turn as you duly found out. Sure you are going to be beat here sometimes but once you take the decision to call on the flop and have nearly half your chips out there you shouldn't be thinking about folding.
 
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Here is a hand I played in a MTT.
I had about 28 BB's left.

Hero is dealt KK in MP.

I have been super nit all night, and have not played a hand in over an hour.

If I bet out, I felt everyone would fold.
I decide to limp.

V1 raises 3BB.
V2 then raises 8BB

Hero shoves.
Both V's call after tanking.

Flop is Axx and I lose to both.
They both had something like AJ and A9.

Did I play this right by getting everyone all in?
Or did I mess up by letting weaker hands crack my KK ?
 
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Once villain donks Flop then Turn, Do you fold to River Donk as well or do you raise at any point in the hand??

Prima, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
BB: $2.96 (148 bb) 50/0 6.0AG 4 Hands
UTG: $1.12 (56 bb)
MP: $1.90 (95 bb)
CO: $0.82 (41 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.69 (134.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
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A
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) 5
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J
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K
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.33) 8
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.16

Hand2
Maybe shouldnt have CBET into villain.
Once I check turn, do I check call Turn and Check Fold River if i don't improve
Prima, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $1.27 (63.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.86 (143 bb)
MP: $2.02 (101 bb) 15/15 13 Hands
CO: $2.04 (102 bb)
BTN: $1.34 (67 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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A
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MP raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24) A
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7
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2
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(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, MP calls $0.14, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.52) 8
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.44
 
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Hope everyone had a good Christmas and holiday season so far!
 
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Hope everyone had a good Christmas and holiday season so far!

Back at you, John! Enjoy the holidays and gather motivation for future business / poker endeavors. :icon_sant
 
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Hope everyone had a good Christmas and holiday season so far!

Yep kids are being spoilt and having a great time :)
great time to take time off and reflect and think about future goals changes
 
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Was this a bad play?

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 17.78 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
CO: 23.09 BB (VPIP: 6.45, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
BTN: 9.71 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 12.13 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
BB: 24.66 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 22.53 BB
UTG+1: 24.96 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP: 35.13 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 20)
MP+1: 45.19 BB (VPIP: 30.69, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 101)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has A K

Hero raises to 2.35 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 2.35 BB, fold, SB calls 1.85 BB, fold

Flop: (9.18 BB, 3 players) 3 4 9
SB checks, Hero bets 3.99 BB, CO calls 3.99 BB, fold

Turn: (17.15 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (17.15 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 16.07 BB and is all-in, CO calls 16.07 BB

Hero shows A K (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 43%, Flop 28%, Turn 23%)
CO shows T T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 72%, Turn 77%)
CO wins 49.28 BB
 
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Here is a hand I played in a MTT.
I had about 28 BB's left.
Hero is dealt KK in MP.
I have been super nit all night, and have not played a hand in over an hour.
If I bet out, I felt everyone would fold.
I decide to limp.
V1 raises 3BB.
V2 then raises 8BB
Hero shoves.
Both V's call after tanking.
Flop is Axx and I lose to both.
They both had something like AJ and A9.
Did I play this right by getting everyone all in?
Or did I mess up by letting weaker hands crack my KK ?

I'd still come in with a 2- 2.5bb raise with KK despite having been playing tight. What if someone has QQ AK JJ TT?
They aren't going away just because you haven't played for a while and these are the hands that are going to pay you off on the right flops. Don't think about the trash that will fold anyway.

You need to start building a pot and KK, like AA plays better heads up, you don't want to be going multiway if you can help it and limping is just going to encourage that.
So your limp did bring in a weaker hand like A9 but it's largely irrelevant if AJ would have called anyway and an ace flops.
As played you have to go with KK, your shove is fine.
 
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Once villain donks Flop then Turn, Do you fold to River Donk as well or do you raise at any point in the hand??

Prima, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
BB: $2.96 (148 bb) 50/0 6.0AG 4 Hands
UTG: $1.12 (56 bb)
MP: $1.90 (95 bb)
CO: $0.82 (41 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.69 (134.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A
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A
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.06
Flop: ($0.17) 5
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J
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K
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08
Turn: ($0.33) 8
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BB bets $0.16

Hand2
Maybe shouldnt have CBET into villain.
Once I check turn, do I check call Turn and Check Fold River if i don't improve
Prima, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $1.27 (63.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.86 (143 bb)
MP: $2.02 (101 bb) 15/15 13 Hands
CO: $2.04 (102 bb)
BTN: $1.34 (67 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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A
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MP raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.24) A
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7
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2
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(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, MP calls $0.14, 2 folds
Turn: ($0.52) 8
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Hero checks, MP bets $0.44

Hand 1.That is a very wet board and he is going to have a ton of flush and straight and combo draws. His sizing suggests he just wants to set a half pot price for his draws. If he had KQ or similar he should be betting a bit bigger for protection and to charge your draws. Made hands like sets might bet like this but they are few and far between compared to the amount of draws and made hands at this level like to checkraise.
So I would raise this flop and call it off if shoved on.
As played the turn card changes nothing, if you were calling on the flop because you thought you might be good then you should still be calling when the board bricks on the turn.

Hand 2. I saw a video recently where Oliver Busquet said its still good practice to check to the raiser, as soon at you donk out you are giving the player in position information through your sizing, just like the guy in hand 1. I think generally if you are going to donk then make it big, near full pot for max fold equity, I don't donk with value hands unless up against a weak calling station..Most of my donk bets will be bluffs with a couple of overcards.
As played, I'd have to call the turn, you are still ahead of a lot of his range and his sizing here is more aligned to driving you away than enticing you to call. We also now have a middling heart flushdraw.
If the river is a non heart and he fires big again then I'd probably fold. Once you call twice, in his eyes you either have an ace or a flush draw so he shouldn't be betting any worse aces than yours unless he's fishy or aggro.
Its normally a case of whether or not he is capable of betting big with his own whiffed flush draws. As he opened from MP and the ace of hearts is on the board (and we have the T) he should only really have KhQh QhJh KhJh which is only 3 combo's compared to 24 x AK AQ AJ so if he bets I would fold.
 
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Was this a bad play?

PokerStars - 200/400 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 9 players

CO: 23.09 BB (VPIP: 6.45, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
Hero (UTG): 22.53 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has A K
Hero raises to 2.35 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 2.35 BB, fold, SB calls 1.85 BB, fold
Flop: (9.18 BB, 3 players) 3 4 9
SB checks, Hero bets 3.99 BB, CO calls 3.99 BB, fold
Turn: (17.15 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO checks
River: (17.15 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 16.07 BB and is all-in, CO calls 16.07 BB
Hero shows A K (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 43%, Flop 28%, Turn 23%)
CO shows T T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 72%, Turn 77%)
CO wins 49.28 BB

He is squeaky tight so you should be expecting a top 10% hand here.
I would cbet 7bb, your sizing looks a bit small. Once he calls the bigger sized cbet then you know you are likely beat and can give up unless you improve.
His check behind on the turn with TT is a bit dull and gave you a free shot at outdrawing him. It depends on how tight you are from UTG, if you were tight I could understand the pot control a bit better.
Your shove on the end is a bluff with cards that still have showdown value on that runout, you will fold out his AQ (that you beat anyway) and chops and only get called by better. Ask yourself, Are you every folding top pair or better here if you were in his shoes? If not then don't bet, you will still have a playable stack.
Oh and this is a cash game thread by the way!.
 
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Hand 1.That is a very wet board and he is going to have a ton of flush and straight and combo draws. His sizing suggests he just wants to set a half pot price for his draws. If he had KQ or similar he should be betting a bit bigger for protection and to charge your draws. Made hands like sets might bet like this but they are few and far between compared to the amount of draws and made hands at this level like to checkraise.
So I would raise this flop and call it off if shoved on.
As played the turn card changes nothing, if you were calling on the flop because you thought you might be good then you should still be calling when the board bricks on the turn.

Hand 2. I saw a video recently where Oliver Busquet said its still good practice to check to the raiser, as soon at you donk out you are giving the player in position information through your sizing, just like the guy in hand 1. I think generally if you are going to donk then make it big, near full pot for max fold equity, I don't donk with value hands unless up against a weak calling station..Most of my donk bets will be bluffs with a couple of overcards.
As played, I'd have to call the turn, you are still ahead of a lot of his range and his sizing here is more aligned to driving you away than enticing you to call. We also now have a middling heart flushdraw.
If the river is a non heart and he fires big again then I'd probably fold. Once you call twice, in his eyes you either have an ace or a flush draw so he shouldn't be betting any worse aces than yours unless he's fishy or aggro.
Its normally a case of whether or not he is capable of betting big with his own whiffed flush draws. As he opened from MP and the ace of hearts is on the board (and we have the T) he should only really have KhQh QhJh KhJh which is only 3 combo's compared to 24 x AK AQ AJ so if he bets I would fold.
Hand1
Ended up calling Turn Bet and when QHearts hit River they bet 1/2 Pot again. I called and they had KdQd for Rivered 2 Pair

Hand2
Should have followed your advice as I spewed out with Pair of Aces and backup flush draw but was crushed as he had AK with K Hearts. Terrible I know as unless he is a maniac I'm only getting called with better
 
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