Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Aces2w1n]

thanks john

 

[John A]

EEEEK using those calcualtions you could program excel to play poker LOL

Let's do it. And by let's, I mean you...

Actually the first version of ace poker drills I did was an excel programed spreadsheet. Not something I sold, but designed so I could train myself.

 

[John A]

Thanks John very helpful..
Well he isn't very aggressive with an AF of 1.4 but why does a non aggressive player lead here on this board other than to find out where he stands?
Because I thought he had a mid pair here I put him all in but in hinsight JJ TT probably folds with the arrival of the Q and we only get called by AQ or better.
Anyway it mattered not, he called with better and we spiked another King on the river.

Calling the flop is fine. I don't hare a raise, but with the stack sizes, there's only one more bet any ways, and you're not folding.

And yes, mostly passive players will lead for value there. Not always to see "where they stand", but of course some of the more reserved ones will.

But bottom line I don't think you can say JJ/TT fold there every time. Even passive players. You only have one more bet left. AQs, TT-AA, AK are his range. AA-QQ, AQs are always calling. AK is always folding, and TT/JJ are sometimes calling. I'd say with this guy, maybe 40% of the time. So punch that up because the river range isn't changing any.

 

[John A]

If there's no hands that someone would want a video review done, I'm going to pull a random one from here or another site.

 

[rhombus]

Let's do it. And by let's, I mean you...

Actually the first version of ace poker drills I did was an excel programed spreadsheet. Not something I sold, but designed so I could train myself.

its possible, Im quite good with Excel and formuals and some coding, just need the criteria

 

[daredeviljo]

Hmm, I'm very interested in taking part in this. I feel as if there are many spots in which I am unsure what the correct play is. What stakes does John review? I'd love to improve my game.

I read a bit of the ebook before, but I might finally read the whole thing

 

[Aces2w1n]

Hmm, I'm very interested in taking part in this. I feel as if there are many spots in which I am unsure what the correct play is. What stakes does John review? I'd love to improve my game.

I read a bit of the ebook before, but I might finally read the whole thing

post a hand your unsure of.. if you can post a button hand against a blind..i would but i keep remembering when im out heh

 

[Figaroo2]

did we do all we can here?

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $34.27 (171.4 bb)
BB: $11.43 (57.2 bb)
UTG+2: $26.66 (133.3 bb)
MP1: $22.92 (114.6 bb)
MP2: $22.05 (110.3 bb) VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 3214
VPIP MP 10% WTSD% is 23, river aggression 19%, flop cbet 54%, turn cbet 64%, river cbet 33%.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T

T

2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 3

Q

8

(2 players)
MP2 bets $1.12, Hero calls $1.12

Turn: ($3.74) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $2.20, Hero raises to $4.40, MP2 calls $2.20

River: ($12.54) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $15.93 and is all-in, Hero?
Seems like I'm winning here a fair amount against a 10% opening range, but how much do we narrow it for the turn call and river shove?

 

[Aces2w1n]

Ive noticed many opponents will slow down turn when whiffed here. If they bet turn they usually have something that beats medium PP unless he has AKs

Raising turn here only stops us from getting bluffed on river... and we get our answer cheaper by him calling and i think its best to do this play against aggro and bluffy

Against abc calling on turn is best because they should giveup by river and then we check behind and get to showdown if they missed. Esp if they double barrell... i think someone like u will have a highish fold to turn bet so ppl will semi bluff u more.

but yeh most players will slow down turn when whiffed and u can bet and win the hand.

 

[Ian the Fish]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $34.27 (171.4 bb)
BB: $11.43 (57.2 bb)
UTG+2: $26.66 (133.3 bb)
MP1: $22.92 (114.6 bb)
MP2: $22.05 (110.3 bb) VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 3214
VPIP MP 10% WTSD% is 23, river aggression 19%, flop cbet 54%, turn cbet 64%, river cbet 33%.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T

T

2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 3

Q

8

(2 players)
MP2 bets $1.12, Hero calls $1.12

Turn: ($3.74) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $2.20, Hero raises to $4.40, MP2 calls $2.20

River: ($12.54) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $15.93 and is all-in, Hero?
Seems like I'm winning here a fair amount against a 10% opening range, but how much do we narrow it for the turn call and river shove?

After that flat on the turn, I'd have to put him on a flush draw, which he does manage to hit on the river. If he had you on AJ / AT, for example, he could be doing that.

Also, a smaller pair could do that. So I think you have to call the river. Quite pulverizing, but I think you beat way more than you lose to.

 

[Aces2w1n]

ian the flat on the turn is absolute strength... i am not puttinf him on a draw. I recon he has AA perhaps with club in it or kk or lowest jj perhaps even a fullhouse already or he would raise again on turn... if he had Q he would be raising here.

the raise on turn of 2.20 is the price to see if we are good here. instead of paying 6-8 on the river.

14/10 guy is strong here no doubt ... we are beat on turn but if u doubt u raise like fig did and get your answer here

our raise also on turn reps weakness to a thinking player. if we were very strong we would just let them hang themselves rather than probe.. weak hands probe

 

[John A]

its possible, Im quite good with Excel and formuals and some coding, just need the criteria

I'm sure you are PLO guy...



I actually did do it myself... it prompted me to turn it into ace poker drills.

 

[John A]

Hmm, I'm very interested in taking part in this. I feel as if there are many spots in which I am unsure what the correct play is. What stakes does John review? I'd love to improve my game.

I read a bit of the ebook before, but I might finally read the whole thing

We're doing mostly 5nl - 100nl in here. But all stakes are welcome.

Just jump in, ask questions, post hands. Get active in the sweating group. Best way to improve your game is get w/ a group of players who are learning... and are good peeps!

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $34.27 (171.4 bb)
BB: $11.43 (57.2 bb)
UTG+2: $26.66 (133.3 bb)
MP1: $22.92 (114.6 bb)
MP2: $22.05 (110.3 bb) VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 3214
VPIP MP 10% WTSD% is 23, river aggression 19%, flop cbet 54%, turn cbet 64%, river cbet 33%.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T

T

2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 4 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 3

Q

8

(2 players)
MP2 bets $1.12, Hero calls $1.12

Turn: ($3.74) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $2.20, Hero raises to $4.40, MP2 calls $2.20

River: ($12.54) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $15.93 and is all-in, Hero?
Seems like I'm winning here a fair amount against a 10% opening range, but how much do we narrow it for the turn call and river shove?

What was the turn raise for?

The 10% opening range doesn't really matter. It's purely about what does he think he's ahead of after you raised the turn. I don't think he's jamming 99 or less. I mean there's not really even any bluffs in his range unless he decided to call w/ A high and is now going nuts. But given his stats, that's unlikely. I think this is a pretty straight forward fold. You're basically looking for him to over value 22-99 thinking you have a flush and can't get away from it and he can get paid. Just don't think this kind of player thinks this way imho.

 

[Figaroo2]

What was the turn raise for?.

To see if I could fold out his AK and to see if I could put enough doubt into his mind that he would check the river.
and to not have to face a third barrel not knowing where I stood.
I did fold once he calls turn and shoves, fairly easy fold off his stats.

 

[rhombus]

I'm sure you are PLO guy...



I actually did do it myself... it prompted me to turn it into ace poker drills.

PLO guy, cant win a bean at that game either

 

[rhombus]

Once you squeeze it is standad to CBET and give up when OOP and what about sizings on flop???


poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.31 (115.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $3.09 (154.5 bb)
UTG: $1.76 (88 bb)
MP: $2.38 (119 bb)
CO: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
BTN: $1.71 (85.5 bb)25/0 33%AG 5 hands

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

9

2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.19

Flop: ($0.57) 4

6

A

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

Turn: ($1.09) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.09) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.20 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $2.09 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 4

6

A

5

2

Hero mucked Q

9

and lost (-$1.01 net)
BTN mucked and won $2.02 ($1.01 net)

 

[Aces2w1n]

i play these hands against loose players. im not a fan of raising these hands here unless its 100% fold to 3bet.

rather have this hand headsup... so against a late opener sure but with a caller nope.

after the 3bet fails we dont put another cent ... even if we hit the q itll be tricky and even if villains got small pp it will be hard to get folds on river... so just burning

 

[John A]

Once you squeeze it is standad to CBET and give up when OOP and what about sizings on flop???


Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.31 (115.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $3.09 (154.5 bb)
UTG: $1.76 (88 bb)
MP: $2.38 (119 bb)
CO: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
BTN: $1.71 (85.5 bb)25/0 33%AG 5 hands

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

9

2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.19

Flop: ($0.57) 4

6

A

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

Turn: ($1.09) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.09) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.20 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $2.09 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 4

6

A

5

2

Hero mucked Q

9

and lost (-$1.01 net)
BTN mucked and won $2.02 ($1.01 net)

Strange river all-in after checking that turn.

Yes, it's pretty standard in this spot. The thing is I'd just be one and done with a hand that has no equity really, unless you're planning on firing multiple times. But on a A high board in this spot, I wouldn't recommend it. So I'd bet something like .44ish on the flop and then be done. I want to get some under pairs to fold that would flat and re-call the squeeze like 77-TT. The only reason I'd bet smaller is to multiple barrel, but I wouldn't do it with a hand that has no backdoor equity or outs to improve much.

 

[John A]

Poker / life goals for 2017?

 

[John A]

Not sure I'm going to have much more time to play this year. I don't like posting results much, but here's my 2/4nl from middle of 14'-present. I think I played most of this half asleep to be honest, because I don't think I played my best poker lately. Winning does not = best poker as you know.

So my 2017 goal is to play some more high stakes lives tournaments, and play when I'm awake. Re-focus on becoming one of the best players. I think I made certain strides in my game this past year, but focused a ton on my business and didn't dedicate the time when I was at my best to actually playing.

I'm not going to play higher stakes online right now until things get sorted out better. I lost too much money on black friday.

 

[Figaroo2]

Not sure I'm going to have much more time to play this year. I don't like posting results much, but here's my 2/4nl from middle of 14'-present. I think I played most of this half asleep to be honest, because I don't think I played my best poker lately. Winning does not = best poker as you know.

So my 2017 goal is to play some more high stakes lives tournaments, and play when I'm awake. Re-focus on becoming one of the best players. I think I made certain strides in my game this past year, but focused a ton on my business and didn't dedicate the time when I was at my best to actually playing.

I'm not going to play higher stakes online right now until things get sorted out better. I lost too much money on black friday.

You may have gotton away from the real sharp end recently but I haven't seen you make a single wrong judgement about a hand in any of your posts for as long as I can remember. You are still one of the best out there imho.
Ok I think I can safely say everyone in the thread dreams of making a post like yours even if it is over a few years.
I still want to thank you again for your input into this thread. Especially as I know getting DriveHud up and running must have taken up a lot of your time.

I didn't set any goals for 2016 other than just general all round improvement. We need to improve, its getting harder and harder all the time. My win rate at 10nl this year is half what it was in 2015 and a quarter of what is was in 2014!?.

My hand reading and bet sizing has definitely improved, although turning the reads into aggression at the key moments is a problem and even when I see good spots I have trouble pulling the trigger especially on bigger bluffs. I need to back my judgement more.

Here are my winning but flawed stats by stakes for 2016, there are a few smaller bits and bobs below but largely irrelevant volume wise. I'm not kidding myself I'm still far too stuck on my cold calling/not 3betting enough plateau.
There has been some progress in reducing the vpip/pfr gap and 3betting more but it is painfully slow.
As you can see my shot taking at 25nl-50nl has been going ok but I'm not kidding myself.

Goals for 2017,
1. Reduce the vpip/pfr gap by finally breaking my cold calling pattern by turning a good proportion of those calls into 3bets where appropriate. Increased winnings should follow. I'm wondering if playing more 6 max might help me with this, I think it would.

2. More tournaments, no excuses here I have much more time on my hands at the moment.
Even in the last couple of months since I retired, I've played more, won several satellites and cashed well. If I can keep my patience I should do well. It often feels like I run out of steam and can't be bothered anymore after 4-5 hours in a tournament.

3. Some more live play. I did treat myself to a live $109 tournament in the summer but it didn't go well and I played too tight and felt like a rabbit in the headlights. Again no excuses my local casino is 7 miles away and it runs a tournament and cash games every day.

 

[John A]

You may have gotton away from the real sharp end recently but I haven't seen you make a single wrong judgement about a hand in any of your posts for as long as I can remember. You are still one of the best out there imho.
Ok I think I can safely say everyone in the thread dreams of making a post like yours even if it is over a few years.
I still want to thank you again for your input into this thread. Especially as I know getting DriveHud up and running must have taken up a lot of your time.

I didn't set any goals for 2016 other than just general all round improvement. We need to improve, its getting harder and harder all the time. My win rate at 10nl this year is half what it was in 2015 and a quarter of what is was in 2014!?.

My hand reading and bet sizing has definitely improved, although turning the reads into aggression at the key moments is a problem and even when I see good spots I have trouble pulling the trigger especially on bigger bluffs. I need to back my judgement more.

Here are my winning but flawed stats by stakes for 2016, there are a few smaller bits and bobs below but largely irrelevant volume wise. I'm not kidding myself I'm still far too stuck on my cold calling/not 3betting enough plateau.
There has been some progress in reducing the vpip/pfr gap and 3betting more but it is painfully slow.
As you can see my shot taking at 25nl-50nl has been going ok but I'm not kidding myself.

Goals for 2017,
1. Reduce the vpip/pfr gap by finally breaking my cold calling pattern by turning a good proportion of those calls into 3bets where appropriate. Increased winnings should follow. I'm wondering if playing more 6 max might help me with this, I think it would.

2. More tournaments, no excuses here I have much more time on my hands at the moment.
Even in the last couple of months since I retired, I've played more, won several satellites and cashed well. If I can keep my patience I should do well. It often feels like I run out of steam and can't be bothered anymore after 4-5 hours in a tournament.

3. Some more live play. I did treat myself to a live $109 tournament in the summer but it didn't go well and I played too tight and felt like a rabbit in the headlights. Again no excuses my local casino is 7 miles away and it runs a tournament and cash games every day.

Thanks for your kind words. I need to challenge myself more again. My game has been taking a back seat to my business. I'm confident I could hang w/ anyone today in the game, but until I play HS again regularly, it's hard to know how good I can be again. You really need to play those games consistently and make extremely good decisions every hand, be really creative, and stay one step ahead of really smart and good players consistently.

Congrats on your results this year. Your game is rounding out nicely. You probably need to challenge yourself more as well. Your goal #1 is a slow process you've made some good progress on. If I were to add one thing for you I'd say just continue to push yourself into some higher stakes games. I think you'll be fine if you keep your confidence.

 

[rhombus]

My pitiful stats for 2016

Played mostly MTTS from 2012 - 2015 and won a few hundred $$$ every month every year.

When I started to try cash out in 2015 I dropped alot of MTTs and tried to play more cash.

2015 lost $58 over 101K Hands, this year improved to win $80 over 133K Hands

To be honest I think I have too many mental blocks/issues to be a Cash Game Grinder, even though I know If I dedicated the time it can offer more $$$ and less variance.

Sometimes, seem to know what I'm doing and other times I havent got a Fu£$%ing clue

Goals for 2017 - a bit negative but don't think I'm gonna set any, just plod along and see how it goes, hopefully I have enough pieces of the jigsaw and maybe things will come together


Sidenotes - as Fig said you definitely know what you are talking about John and if I did have goals it would be to be 1/2 the player you are
Fig - you have improved alot since the start of this thread and definitley have the game to beat 50nl.

As John mentioned majority is the confidence, maybe as its a big jump financially from the micros, but definitely worth it as the 1c/2c - 5c/10c games are crippling in terms of rake. ( not sure about 50nl)

 

[RickAversion]

The hand posted by rhombus seems atrocious.
Betting with junk. C-net with nothing.
Then checks the turn.
Then bets river and gets raised and folds.
Awful awful hand, on every single street!