Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[rhombus]

Hand 1 Good Bad or Ugly
Hand 2 Call or Fold was 50/50 His big bet on river is it more value or trying to get me off my hand. I was thinking over pair JJ-AA or AKs/AQs


Hand1
poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $23.98 (239.8 bb) 29/14 AG 0% 7 hands
UTG: $11.52 (115.2 bb)
MP: $5.08 (50.8 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $29.13 (291.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

7

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) Q

T

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30

River: ($4.20) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $3

Hand2
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SB: $25 (250 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $20.10 (201 bb)
Hero (MP): $15.03 (150.3 bb)
CO: $11.38 (113.8 bb)13/13 AG 100% 15 Hands
BTN: $15.48 (154.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

9

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 2

4

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.93, Hero calls $0.93

Turn: ($3.81) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.82, Hero calls $1.82

River: ($7.45) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.73 and is all-in, Hero ??

 

[Figaroo2]

Hand 1 Good Bad or Ugly
Hand 2 Call or Fold was 50/50 His big bet on river is it more value or trying to get me off my hand. I was thinking over pair JJ-AA or AKs/AQs

Flop: ($0.60) Q

T

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.60) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30
River: ($4.20) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $3

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

9

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.95) 2

4

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.93, Hero calls $0.93
Turn: ($3.81) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.82, Hero calls $1.82
River: ($7.45) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.73 and is all-in, Hero ??

Hand 1. Ugly for me I'm afraid to say. This is a super wet board with all sorts of draws. If I have QK here I'm calling you down, the spade draws miss and the straight draws miss and there is no reason for you to be betting a lone ten that suddenly becomes trips. Your bet sizing on the flop is big and as a result costs you a lot more on the turn and end than needed. To get me off AQ KQ you would probably have to shove all in on the end and even then I might call with AQ depending.

Hand 2 We don't generate any information during the hand to know where we are so certainly folding on the end. He raised pre and initial indications are he is tight so can easily have TT+. I might have actually folded the turn here knowing another barrel was likely on the end. Not many people call 3bets oop with 66 or less at 100bb so a big premium doesn't have much to fear here. I hate these spots with 99 TT JJ here they are all trouble.

 

[Figaroo2]

That's a good poker question to understand for yourself. Were you able to break it down? I assume you don't want us to just give you the answer.
In the hand though, why were you assuming only QQ+/AK? Tight player who 3-bet your from another early position I assume?

Ok we open UTG with AK os and get 3bet by a player in MP who appears to be tight and or solid with no reason to be out of line. How wide does he have to be 3betting us before it becomes profitable to just GII?

Fiddling with the equity calculator I was actually surprised by just how wide at least 7%. Yes we have 39% equity against QQ AK KK AA but you can add in all the pairs and our equity only sneaks up to 43.5%, to get it up to break even you need to start adding in a significant amount of AQ AJs ATs to get to 50%
Realistically 77 is probably the cut off on the pairs and I think it normal to assume that everyone else at the table is going to fold preflop after that action unless they have a big premium themselves. On the chart you need to add in one more Ax hand or worse to reach 50%
In effect a 5bet shove here with AK is still a bluff and we need to factor in our fold equity to know whether its worth it. If we put them on QQ+ and they are calling all shoves then its obviously never profitable to GII pre.

In the actual hand during the sweat we called the 3 bet and the flop came K little little and the flop checked through. Tim and I both shouted QQ JJ for the villain and he did indeed have QQ. Oreo obviously annoyed he didn't GII pre because he would have won a stack and as it was we only won a small pot.

 

[Figaroo2]

Good river bluff spot?

History MP3 has raised me 3 hands in a row, this is the 3rd hand, I folded to 2 previous 3 bets. As soon as I saw the size of his turn bet I decided to raise most rivers if he bet small again.

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $42.78 (142.6 bb)
BB: $45.73 (152.4 bb)
MP1: $25.54 (85.1 bb)
Hero (MP2): $32.79 (109.3 bb)
MP3: $27.48 (91.6 bb) VPIP: 38, PFR: 7, 3B: 8, AF: 0.7, Hands: 29
CO: $43.03 (143.4 bb)
BTN: $30 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A♦ Q♦
MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.30, MP3 raises to $1.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.45) J♣ 6♠ 6♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.45) T♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($9.45) 8♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $2.40, Hero raises to $9.52,

Results:

Spoiler

$14.25 pot ($0.71 rake)
Final Board: J♣ 6♠ 6♦ T♥ 8♦
MP3 folds
Hero mucked A♦ Q♦ and won $13.54 ($6.64 net)

 

[rhombus]

another good bad or ugly

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $10 (100 bb)24/15 AG 11% 46 Hands
Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $11.03 (110.3 bb)
MP: $6.90 (69 bb)
CO: $10.53 (105.3 bb)
BTN: $15.01 (150.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

5

4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 3

J

T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.40) T

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1

River: ($3.40) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10

 

[TimovieMan]

Fold preflop. The rest is fine, imo.

 

[John A]

Hand 1 Good Bad or Ugly
Hand 2 Call or Fold was 50/50 His big bet on river is it more value or trying to get me off my hand. I was thinking over pair JJ-AA or AKs/AQs


Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $23.98 (239.8 bb) 29/14 AG 0% 7 hands
UTG: $11.52 (115.2 bb)
MP: $5.08 (50.8 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $29.13 (291.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

7

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) Q

T

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30

River: ($4.20) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $3

Fold pre-flop. As played, In a blind battle like this you're just going to get less credit + if your opponent had a draw in a spot like this, or was floating / bluffing, they would have raised the flop a lot. So getting him to fold 99/Tx/Qx is a stretch here considering the board and the situation imho.

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $25 (250 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $20.10 (201 bb)
Hero (MP): $15.03 (150.3 bb)
CO: $11.38 (113.8 bb)13/13 AG 100% 15 Hands
BTN: $15.48 (154.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

9

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 2

4

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.93, Hero calls $0.93

Turn: ($3.81) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.82, Hero calls $1.82

River: ($7.45) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.73 and is all-in, Hero ??

Lead turn. As played, fold river. Not enough info, and probably best to do on a low board at these stakes. He could easily be jamming JJ+ for value. Of course there's some bluffs in there, but probably not enough for a profitable call.

 

[John A]

Ok we open UTG with AK os and get 3bet by a player in MP who appears to be tight and or solid with no reason to be out of line. How wide does he have to be 3betting us before it becomes profitable to just GII?

Fiddling with the equity calculator I was actually surprised by just how wide at least 7%. Yes we have 39% equity against QQ AK KK AA but you can add in all the pairs and our equity only sneaks up to 43.5%, to get it up to break even you need to start adding in a significant amount of AQ AJs ATs to get to 50%
Realistically 77 is probably the cut off on the pairs and I think it normal to assume that everyone else at the table is going to fold preflop after that action unless they have a big premium themselves. On the chart you need to add in one more Ax hand or worse to reach 50%
In effect a 5bet shove here with AK is still a bluff and we need to factor in our fold equity to know whether its worth it. If we put them on QQ+ and they are calling all shoves then its obviously never profitable to GII pre.

In the actual hand during the sweat we called the 3 bet and the flop came K little little and the flop checked through. Tim and I both shouted QQ JJ for the villain and he did indeed have QQ. Oreo obviously annoyed he didn't GII pre because he would have won a stack and as it was we only won a small pot.

Yes, good. Part of the answer in his original question revolves around can his opponent 3-bet fold any of his range. Like does he 3-bet TT there, but isn't willing to giai? So are there any mistakes in his play when if he's not doing that, he shouldn't be 3-betting to begin with. With little info, it's hard to know this. Also, are there any bluffs in his range at all, that with position he might be able to outplay you? All of those things need to be taken into consideration. But overall in spots against straight forward opponents, I almost always take the 40/60 approach. I assume I'm around this equity in this spot, and possibly more depending on recent history or other factors. So if I think I can get any FE, then I see how close the pot odds are to allow me to 4-bet gii that makes sense. Otherwise I'm just calling OOP and hoping I can fool them on a street if I do hit my hand and get them to pay off with TT-QQ.

 

[or3o1990]

Yes, good. Part of the answer in his original question revolves around can his opponent 3-bet fold any of his range. Like does he 3-bet TT there, but isn't willing to giai? So are there any mistakes in his play when if he's not doing that, he shouldn't be 3-betting to begin with. With little info, it's hard to know this. Also, are there any bluffs in his range at all, that with position he might be able to outplay you? All of those things need to be taken into consideration. But overall in spots against straight forward opponents, I almost always take the 40/60 approach. I assume I'm around this equity in this spot, and possibly more depending on recent history or other factors. So if I think I can get any FE, then I see how close the pot odds are to allow me to 4-bet gii that makes sense. Otherwise I'm just calling OOP and hoping I can fool them on a street if I do hit my hand and get them to pay off with TT-QQ.

That's kind of what I was thinking. There should be some 3bet folds, like 99, 10 10 and maybe AQo. Also, does the idea that we only ever win small pots against hands we beat but potentially loose a lot if we flop top pair and happen to be crushed anyway. OOP I'd find it hard to get even two streets postflop on A high vs QQ a lot of the time.

Anyone mind helping me crunch those numbers for practice. I haven't done an EV equation in a while. Lets say he only 3bet folds JJ and AQo. I made it 3 he clicks it back to 9 so there's 13.5 in the middle and we both started 100bb.

We have just under 40% vs his GII range. It's going to be 91bb more in to win 201.5 before rake. The AK and QQ+ is 34 combos he's never folding but the AQ and JJ make 22, right? If this is the case then GII seems pretty sweet. I'm having a brain fart trying to figure out how the pot odds play into this whole scenario though:banghead:

C'mon Rhombus, work your magic

 

[rhombus]

is it

=(0.4 x $201.5) + (0.6 x -$91)
=($80.60) + (-$54.60)
= $26.00

 

[rhombus]

is it

=(0.4 x $201.5) + (0.6 x -$91)
=($80.60) + (-$54.60)
= $26.00

ignore above lol
you don't actually win 201.5 - The pot will be 201.5 after you call

The win should only be the amount of the pot after opponent has bet
so if the full pot is 201.5, the pot if opponent shoved would be 201.5 - 91 or 110.5

so if you GII preflop and knew opponent would call its -10.40. Maybe beter if you include Fold equity

=(0.4 x $110.5) + (0.6 x -$91)
=($44.20) + (-$54.60)
= -$10.40

If the above is correct, dont wory if I have confused you as I also confused myself

 

[rhombus]

I put them on either AK, Big Pair QQ+ or messing around with A2-A5s 67/78/89s

Once I didn't nit fold pre and they surprisingly check the flop is it showdown mode or BET/FOLD

If I do check back the flop and a brick hits and they check again then safe to Bet/FOLD. Is this the best line ???




Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $9.98 (99.8 bb)
BB: $10.18 (101.8 bb)
UTG: $22.79 (227.9 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)50/50 AG50% 7Hands
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

J

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.05, 3 folds, MP raises to $2.45, Hero calls $1.40

Flop: ($5.05) 8

8

6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero??

 

[or3o1990]

The win should only be the amount of the pot after opponent has bet
so if the full pot is 201.5, the pot if opponent shoved would be 201.5 - 91 or 110.5

so if you GII preflop and knew opponent would call its -10.40. Maybe beter if you include Fold equity

=(0.4 x $110.5) + (0.6 x -$91)
=($44.20) + (-$54.60)
= -$10.40

If the above is correct, dont wory if I have confused you as I also confused myself

This seems about right. Without any folding range I expected it to be slightly on the negative side.

I am a little confused though. I'm gonna have to bust out PP and brush up on this whole EV thing... Any thought on the potentially reverse implied odds of calling instead GII?

 

[John A]

I put them on either AK, Big Pair QQ+ or messing around with A2-A5s 67/78/89s

Once I didn't nit fold pre and they surprisingly check the flop is it showdown mode or BET/FOLD

If I do check back the flop and a brick hits and they check again then safe to Bet/FOLD. Is this the best line ???




Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $9.98 (99.8 bb)
BB: $10.18 (101.8 bb)
UTG: $22.79 (227.9 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)50/50 AG50% 7Hands
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

J

UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.05, 3 folds, MP raises to $2.45, Hero calls $1.40

Flop: ($5.05) 8

8

6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero??

The calc looks good, but it's been a long and not so good day and I'm exhausted.

As far as the hand.... 50/50 7 hands... hmmm. I think I just bet really small on the flop and hope he spazzes out w/ whatever Ax he has. It's really hard to get a 4-bet hand to showdown cheaply w/ 100 bbs. I think at this point you got about the best flop you could hope for. If you weren't folding pre-flop, then you need to make him make a mistake here. I don't mind checking the flop and then looking to do the same on the turn, but at some point you have to bet / giai against someone like this.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Hand 1 Good Bad or Ugly
Hand 2 Call or Fold was 50/50 His big bet on river is it more value or trying to get me off my hand. I was thinking over pair JJ-AA or AKs/AQs


Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $23.98 (239.8 bb) 29/14 AG 0% 7 hands
UTG: $11.52 (115.2 bb)
MP: $5.08 (50.8 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $29.13 (291.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

7

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) Q

T

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30

River: ($4.20) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $3

Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $25 (250 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $20.10 (201 bb)
Hero (MP): $15.03 (150.3 bb)
CO: $11.38 (113.8 bb)13/13 AG 100% 15 Hands
BTN: $15.48 (154.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

9

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 2

4

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.93, Hero calls $0.93

Turn: ($3.81) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.82, Hero calls $1.82

River: ($7.45) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.73 and is all-in, Hero ??

hand 1: I'm giving up river, I like firing all streets because we will make the straight and want to make a big pot. Especially blind battles people will get sticky so just firing the river is a leak and burning money since we are getting called down with anything.

hand 2: I'm folding river for sure... But perhaps the main decision should be focusing on the turn, we either have to decide if our opponent is capable of bluffs etc? If he's on the tight side we could giveup on the turn.. But having a fold to turn bet or CR or raise would be handy to see how our opponent reacts when we play some poker.

 

[rhombus]

The calc looks good, but it's been a long and not so good day and I'm exhausted.

As far as the hand.... 50/50 7 hands... hmmm. I think I just bet really small on the flop and hope he spazzes out w/ whatever Ax he has. It's really hard to get a 4-bet hand to showdown cheaply w/ 100 bbs. I think at this point you got about the best flop you could hope for. If you weren't folding pre-flop, then you need to make him make a mistake here. I don't mind checking the flop and then looking to do the same on the turn, but at some point you have to bet / giai against someone like this.

I did actually bet smallish 2.20 into 5.05 then thought fek when he shoved.

As you mentioned with 4bet pot not easy to get cheap showdown so hoped he had 99/TT or spazzing with AK/AQ. If we had been deeper 130-150bbs then prob folded after they shoved



Flop: ($5.05) 8

8

6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.20, MP raises to $7.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.35 and is all-in

Turn: ($20.15) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($20.15) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: 8

8

6

3

7

MP showed K

K

and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)
Hero showed J

J

and lost (-$10 net)

 

[rhombus]

This seems about right. Without any folding range I expected it to be slightly on the negative side.

I am a little confused though. I'm gonna have to bust out PP and brush up on this whole EV thing... Any thought on the potentially reverse implied odds of calling instead GII?

Not sure about the reverse implied odds of calling instead of GII, but if you wanted to do quick and easy ev calcs, you can do it in excel or if you don't Excel that you can download open office for free https://www.openoffice.org/

Once you put the formulas in all you enter is where the grey figures are
Win Prob (lose prob is just a calculation of 1 - Win Prob% (Cell B4)

Win ~ Which is how much the pot is before you have to Call
Lose ~ Is the amount you have to Call

Then everything is calculated for you

The above is al you need for the Box at the top.

If you wanted the stuff underneath, i.e.
EV =(0.4 x $110.5) + (0.6 x -$91)
Formula is ~ ="EV =("&B4&" x $"&B6&") + ("&C4& " x -$"&C6&")"

EV =($44.20) + (-$54.60)
Formula is ~ ="EV =("&TEXT(B9,"$0.00")&") + ("&TEXT(C9,"$0.00")&")"

EV = -$10.40
="EV = "&TEXT(C11,"$0.00")

 

[rhombus]

two hands i posted before

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

7

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) Q

T

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30

River: ($4.20) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $3

They called with AdQh

Hand2

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

9

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $0.90, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 2

4

6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.93, Hero calls $0.93

Turn: ($3.81) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.82, Hero calls $1.82

River: ($7.45) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.73 and is all-in, Hero ??

the fish inside me called and they had AA

 

[or3o1990]

Sweet. I'll have to download that and play around with it a bit. I'm planning on turning my focus towards the math intensive aspects of the game this fall/winter. I think it's one thing I need to work on to take my game up a notch.


I just feel that with ak vs the range we've given the villain that calling oop sucks 😝. When we miss we loose small/med pots most often. When we hit and are ahead we win some small/med pots. It's rare that we win a large pot at showdown imo. But when we're super crushed and make top pair we loose big/med pots. Sometimes chop, sometimes were pushed off a chop but hardly do we push villain of a chop. That's the way I see it anyways.

 

[rhombus]

Its one of the things I've noticed recently. AK especially OOP, don't seem to do great with it.

 

[rhombus]

Speaking of AK pre. Just played a hand
Had relative position on the aggressive 3Bettor with 940bbs , on this occasion would it be better to flat or Cold 4Bet

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $94.33 (943.3 bb) 50/30 AG 31% 3B 14.3
Hero (BB): $11.39 (113.9 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $4.67 (46.7 bb)
CO: $14.86 (148.6 bb) 33/33 AG 0% 9 hands
BTN: $32.97 (329.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

K

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB raises to $1, Hero ???

 

[rhombus]

Another similar one, relative position on the 3 bettor although the initial bettor is shortstacked.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $10.42 (104.2 bb)18/18 AG 55% 3B 10.5 51 hands
Hero (BB): $13.74 (137.4 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $2.81 (28.1 bb)
CO: $23.20 (232 bb)
BTN: $2.41 (24.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

A

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, SB raises to $0.95, Hero ???

 

[or3o1990]

These are interesting spots. I feel like cold 4bets are going to fold out a lot of villains range that we are beating.

I still go ahead and 4bet both.

 

[John A]

I did actually bet smallish 2.20 into 5.05 then thought fek when he shoved.

As you mentioned with 4bet pot not easy to get cheap showdown so hoped he had 99/TT or spazzing with AK/AQ. If we had been deeper 130-150bbs then prob folded after they shoved



Flop: ($5.05) 8

8

6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.20, MP raises to $7.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.35 and is all-in

Turn: ($20.15) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($20.15) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
Final Board: 8

8

6

3

7

MP showed K

K

and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)
Hero showed J

J

and lost (-$10 net)

Yeah, I mean it's really hard to not get it in on a low board in those spots, especially against someone who has been splashing around a bit, even in a small sample. Only thing you can hope for is they have KK and an Ace comes on the turn and slows them down. But then you also don't know if you just got outdrawn. Deeper, and there are many more options. I probably would have bet $1 on that flop though and called a shove.

 

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Similar hand

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $8.92 (89.2 bb)
BB: $9.15 (91.5 bb)
UTG+1: $6.26 (62.6 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $12.19 (121.9 bb) VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 402
MP2: $3.20 (32 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $12.76 (127.6 bb)
BTN: $2.79 (27.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J:spade: J:club:
UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 raises to $1, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) 9:heart: 3:club: 4:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.12, Hero calls $1.12

Turn: ($4.39) 2:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.09, MP1 raises to $10.07
I bet intending to fold to a shove, the more i looked at his stats the more I wanted to call. He was 8% 3bet from MP
Hero?