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Imo if I'm up vs a limper I'm gonna assume AA is usually still good enough to bet a 3flush turn, barring other reads.Flushes in 3flush boards aren't that common.

Correct. In this example though, we're concerned about a few more hands other than just the flush. It is in face a narrow EV spot against his whole range. Fish won't turn their worse made hands into bluff very often. You have to worry about them over valuing it more than you do turning it into a bluff. But in spots like this, you can bet/fold and throw out almost all of the bottom of their range if they get it in (baring some other read of course).
 
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Ok, so moving along to 3-bet calling ranges. This is pages 80-84. Everyone caught up, and understand the first section on easy folds to 3-bets? If anyone has questions about range, or how to decide hand ranges, etc... now would be the time to speak up. :)
 
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Ok, so moving along to 3-bet calling ranges. This is pages 80-84. Everyone caught up, and understand the first section on easy folds to 3-bets? If anyone has questions about range, or how to decide hand ranges, etc... now would be the time to speak up. :)

I have been reading range assignment by Andrew "Focault" Brokos and found it helpful to assign an opponent to a range of monster, marginal or air/draw.

I'm really looking forward to the 3-bet calling range lesson!!
 
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Will LB 4.0 work for tournaments and PokerTracker 3? My win rate continues to be much higher for tournaments than cash games, so I think I should focus on tournaments.
This next version of LB that's coming out is going to have so many things in it that I've been waiting to get in. There's newer deeper level analysis that's going to blow away even the top pros at what it finds in their games. Once LB 4.0 comes out, we're going to ramp up the marketing quite a bit. It's going to become THE tool to have, if it isn't already. :)
 
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I have been reading range assignment by Andrew "Focault" Brokos and found it helpful to assign an opponent to a range of monster, marginal or air/draw.

I'm really looking forward to the 3-bet calling range lesson!!

I don't know anything about this book honestly. I haven't personally agreed with much of what baluga has said over the years. At least anything I've heard in general. He's probably a good player, but the only thing I've ever heard him say that I've agreed with is 3-betting SC's out of position. We're both not a fan for several reasons. Give it a read though and let me know what you think.
 
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I don't know anything about this book honestly. I haven't personally agreed with much of what baluga has said over the years. At least anything I've heard in general. He's probably a good player, but the only thing I've ever heard him say that I've agreed with is 3-betting SC's out of position. We're both not a fan for several reasons. Give it a read though and let me know what you think.
Andrew Brokos is good. Andrew Seidman... I dunno these days, above average though I reckon.
 
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I don't know anything about this book honestly. I haven't personally agreed with much of what baluga has said over the years. At least anything I've heard in general. He's probably a good player, but the only thing I've ever heard him say that I've agreed with is 3-betting SC's out of position. We're both not a fan for several reasons. Give it a read though and let me know what you think.

You agree that you should, or should not?
 
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Will LB 4.0 work for tournaments and PokerTracker 3? My win rate continues to be much higher for tournaments than cash games, so I think I should focus on tournaments.

Leak Buster works for Pt3/4 cash games right now. The new 4.0 version will still just be for cash games. We will have a S&G version sometime in the near future as well. Not sure about MTT's though.
 
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Alright, so easy folds to 3-bets. Just about everything right now should be about range versus range for you. There will come a point in your poker evolution where range won't matter as much, and it will be much more about reads on opponents, and their postflop tendencies. However, I'd advise for now to think more about poker in relationship to showdown values. If you got to showdown, how would your hand stack up against your opponents range? It's important to have a firm grasp of this FIRST, before you get into fancy play syndrome. Once you understand this, and you know what your equity is going to look like in an equity calculator, then you I'd recommend moving to the next evolution of thought, but not before.

People have a tendency to want to skip levels of understanding. It's part of our nature to want to go from 0 to 100 and think we can do what experts in our respective fields (not just poker) can do right off the bat. The reality is though, that the ones who are really good had to go through these same evolutions, so just my personal warning... don't try to skip ahead too far. Just like you wouldn't start playing 32% of your hands pre-flop when you first started playing. You instead played really tight and learned how to properly bet, extract value, dump losing hands, etc...

Does anyone not know how to figure out opponents 3-betting ranges, or have any questions about this section before I move on to easy calls of 3-bets?
 
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Alright, so easy folds to 3-bets. Just about everything right now should be about range versus range for you. There will come a point in your poker evolution where range won't matter as much, and it will be much more about reads on opponents, and their postflop tendencies. However, I'd advise for now to think more about poker in relationship to showdown values. If you got to showdown, how would your hand stack up against your opponents range? It's important to have a firm grasp of this FIRST, before you get into fancy play syndrome. Once you understand this, and you know what your equity is going to look like in an equity calculator, then you I'd recommend moving to the next evolution of thought, but not before.

People have a tendency to want to skip levels of understanding. It's part of our nature to want to go from 0 to 100 and think we can do what experts in our respective fields (not just poker) can do right off the bat. The reality is though, that the ones who are really good had to go through these same evolutions, so just my personal warning... don't try to skip ahead too far. Just like you wouldn't start playing 32% of your hands pre-flop when you first started playing. You instead played really tight and learned how to properly bet, extract value, dump losing hands, etc...

Does anyone not know how to figure out opponents 3-betting ranges, or have any questions about this section before I move on to easy calls of 3-bets?

As you mentioned in your e-book, typically most opponents will have a wider 3-betting range in position, and quite a bit tighter out of position. Hero is going to be in a lot of marginal spots when facing a 3-bet. Online, we can simply use our HUD to determine the 3Bet% by position and then use a program like PokerStove to become familiar with villians range. Playing live, it will require more attention and focus to past 3bet pots that went to showdown to ascertain their 3bet range. Is there anything else that should be added to our thoughts as it relates to assigning a 3Bet range to our opponent?
 
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As you mentioned in your e-book, typically most opponents will have a wider 3-betting range in position, and quite a bit tighter out of position. Hero is going to be in a lot of marginal spots when facing a 3-bet. Online, we can simply use our HUD to determine the 3Bet% by position and then use a program like PokerStove to become familiar with villians range. Playing live, it will require more attention and focus to past 3bet pots that went to showdown to ascertain their 3bet range. Is there anything else that should be added to our thoughts as it relates to assigning a 3Bet range to our opponent?

Good. And yes, there's a couple of important things. This doesn't just relate to 3-bets and understanding ranges, but it's important. You shouldn't use a program like pokerstove really. You need an equity calculator that can weight your opponents range. That why we recommend ace poker drills equity calculator, and I know there are some similar ones out there as well. You're not going to get accurate results if your opponent is going to have 100% of every hand in every scenario. Sometimes there's an outside chance they may have X hand, and you need to represent that accordingly. My opponent has X hand 20% of the time. Here's an example:

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: 9c Js 6d

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
47.8892% 44.441% 3.4483% [ KK+(100),QQ(25),AKo(75), AKs(75) ]
52.1108% 48.6625% 3.4483% [ KcKd ]

Here we believe our opponent has KK+ 100% of the time in a 4-bet pot, QQ 25%, and AK 75% of the time. These are all estimations, but as hands get more complex, having the ability to do this will make a difference. So find an equity calculator you're comfortable with that can do this. There are lots of good free ones out there, like the one above.
 
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hey gang, just seen this and think its brilliant, so in b4 losing any more money facing 3bs OOP. :)

Id love to get onto fixing bad tendencies of mine, before i get set in my ways agin. if you guys could quick glance at those stats for me id appreciate it- really keen to keep up with this from here on out. pretty sure these are all fine, but river call efficiency seems lol? have only been playing poker for a month or so after a huge amount of time off, so filtered since i started playing again. 8-18 tabling 6max 100bb games

gl guys, see you all soon when i finally know how to play :)
 

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hey gang, just seen this and think its brilliant, so in b4 losing any more money facing 3bs OOP. :)

Id love to get onto fixing bad tendencies of mine, before i get set in my ways agin. if you guys could quick glance at those stats for me id appreciate it- really keen to keep up with this from here on out. pretty sure these are all fine, but river call efficiency seems lol? have only been playing poker for a month or so after a huge amount of time off, so filtered since i started playing again. 8-18 tabling 6max 100bb games

gl guys, see you all soon when i finally know how to play :)

Nice winrate at 10NL over a pretty descent sample size. And the stats to me look spot on. Dont know about the river call efficiency,just wanted to say that i envy these stats. Well done buddy.


@JOHN........havent managed to put in any hands since we last spoke due to being super busy.Planning to get back to the grind this weekend so i'll let you know how it went .(stat-wise and bb/100 wise) again thanks for the help.
 
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And the stats to me look spot on. Dont know about the river call efficiency...


i dunno. i feel like the EP ones are really nitty, but such is the nature of mass multitabling i suppose. and thanks for the props man
 
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hey gang, just seen this and think its brilliant, so in b4 losing any more money facing 3bs OOP. :)

Id love to get onto fixing bad tendencies of mine, before i get set in my ways agin. if you guys could quick glance at those stats for me id appreciate it- really keen to keep up with this from here on out. pretty sure these are all fine, but river call efficiency seems lol? have only been playing poker for a month or so after a huge amount of time off, so filtered since i started playing again. 8-18 tabling 6max 100bb games

gl guys, see you all soon when i finally know how to play :)

Your early EP is fine. At these stakes you want to exploit positional awareness as much as possible. Your positional awareness isn't that great right now. You should be opening way more on the button and a little more in the CO. Hard to say with your other stats, but if you open the leak buster overall report from HM2, I can give you a better look. This is the closest recent play from my honeymoon blog where I played (and have recently played) 50 and 100nl. I can play extremely exploitative at these stakes. Take a peek.



Look at my earlier UO positional stats for comparison.
 
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I'll re-post them here:

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I'd recommend striving to get pre-flop positional awareness well over 3. As you move up stakes, you won't be able to do this near as much. When I play 400nl or above, I cannot play like this without being exploited by some of the better regs.
 
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Nice winrate at 10NL over a pretty descent sample size. And the stats to me look spot on. Dont know about the river call efficiency,just wanted to say that i envy these stats. Well done buddy.


@JOHN........havent managed to put in any hands since we last spoke due to being super busy.Planning to get back to the grind this weekend so i'll let you know how it went .(stat-wise and bb/100 wise) again thanks for the help.

You're welcome. Definitely post some stats or keep me updated on how it's going.
 
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John, I've been promoting your software here at the WPT JAX --- do you have any patches? If I win a satellite seat and get deep in the Main Event, I'll make sure Ace Poker gets a lot of credit for my success. I am going to hit the poker equity trainer big time after making the purchase.
 
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John, as I am practicing with the equity training software are there any tips/tricks/thought process that will help the player reach the approximate equity % on the turn? If I feel that I am ahead with the strength of my hand, I will assign a hand range to the villian and try to count their outs to improve and then take a guess. I'm not scoring too well and was hoping you could assist with shortening my learning curve. I'm sure with repetition, I will get better. Great program --- really love it!
 
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John, I've been promoting your software here at the WPT JAX --- do you have any patches? If I win a satellite seat and get deep in the Main Event, I'll make sure Ace Poker gets a lot of credit for my success. I am going to hit the poker equity trainer big time after making the purchase.

Thanks, I appreciate that a lot.

I don't have any merchandise right now. I have some pokerzion T-shirts and tank tops that are boxed up, but I'm leaving out of town early tomorrow for 5 days. I am going to make some more things here soon, just not sure what product I want to go with.
 
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John, as I am practicing with the equity training software are there any tips/tricks/thought process that will help the player reach the approximate equity % on the turn? If I feel that I am ahead with the strength of my hand, I will assign a hand range to the villian and try to count their outs to improve and then take a guess. I'm not scoring too well and was hoping you could assist with shortening my learning curve. I'm sure with repetition, I will get better. Great program --- really love it!

Just keep working it. I want to add a feature where it gives you 1 to 3 points for being right on or close, but haven't worked it in yet. It just takes a lot of practice, but you'll start picking up on certain patterns and situations. That's the hard thing to explain about the product honestly. People don't realize how much time (usually years) it takes for someone to get good an these estimations when they play. And they don't realize how much the subconscious mind starts putting patterns together. But if you continue to drill yourself you will get better at it. Everyone who has used it has, but it's not going to happen all at once.

I used to have students do a manual drill with themselves with pencil and paper, and it was a pain to do. But imho the best thing you can do for improving your game. That's how/why I came up with the equity trainer to begin with. Just wanted an automated way for my students to work on this easier and quicker.

Any ways, keep at it... thanks again for your feedback and plugs!
 
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I'll re-post them here:
I'd recommend striving to get pre-flop positional awareness well over 3.

Im going to guess that my pos awareness has a lot to do with calling 3bs OOP, and my call 3b 60% vs your call 3b 40%?

other than that, moar btn opens, which i can definmitely do, just need to cut the tables down. the rest look pretty similar to yours i think

good times?
 

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