Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

My maths has always been a bit dodgy. I was disappointed with myself for not knowing if it was correct to call here.
This is a basic gap in my knowledge that I need to bottom out.
I've never fully grasped the concept of the odds required to breakeven.
Just from experience I know I'm a dog here but the size of the pot must make it a close call.
So for the sake of ridicule i'll post it.

So how do we stand here fold or call?

The villain is very passive, hes only doing this with a set, AA KK or QQ but preflop suggests a set.
I make it $6.56 to call with a pot of $13.84 so pot odds of 2.1
Equity JJ v 88 99 TT QQ KK AA
33/66 equity dog, spot on 2-1

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Hero (SB): $10.82 (108.2 bb)
BB: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
UTG+2: $10.87 (108.7 bb)
MP1: $10.59 (105.9 bb)
MP2: $9.09 (90.9 bb)
MP3: $10.27 (102.7 bb)
CO: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1.0, Hands: 242

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

J

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($3) 8

T

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.14, BTN raises to $8.70 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $7.28 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: 8

T

9

Hero?

Ridicule, ridicule... Yeah, it's close. I mean folding in spots like this is near neutral EV, so it's not like it's a a big loss either way. I've seen you do worse things. lol

 

[John A]

Here's a better one you can ridicule me about. I'm playing more FR than usual if there's no good tables lately. I notice a lot of these tighter FR guys will just blast away in spots that don't make sense if you just check to them, so I wanted to get some of that bad bluff value. I didn't follow through on my plan even though I say there and was like, WTF does he think I'm calling with for that river sizing? Not AQ/KK or AA. So is he just a FR nimrod or does he have TT. I couldn't even put him on QQ. I timed out and folded. Spoiler below. His aggression was on 2, but again, I've just found on these FR tables people don't understand range and value range, and opponents ranges very well. So the thought process reverts to, they checked, they are weak, I should just bet.

iPoker - $2 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, hands: 30)
UTG: 28.5 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 35.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 162.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 144.45 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
SB: 81.95 BB (VPIP: 25.81, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 31)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:club: K:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 3 players) T:diamond: T:heart: Q:heart:
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (23 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

River: (53 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets 45 BB, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 95.35 BB w/ 6s5s

 

[Figaroo2]

My worst ever beat in 5 years

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10.62 (106.2 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $7.77 (77.7 bb) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 3.6, Hands: 369
UTG+2: $13.51 (135.1 bb)
Hero (MP1): $12.60 (126 bb)
MP2: $18.37 (183.7 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $3.40 (34 bb)
BTN: $10.56 (105.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

Q

UTG+1 raises to $0.30, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.86, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.56

Flop: ($1.87) T

9

Q

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.93, UTG+1 raises to $1.86, Hero raises to $2.99, UTG+1 raises to $6.91 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.92

Turn: ($15.69) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($15.69) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $15.69 pot ($0.78 rake)
Final Board: T

9

Q

Q

T

UTG+1 showed J

8

and won $14.91 ($7.14 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

and lost (-$7.77 net)

 

[John A]

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10.62 (106.2 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $7.77 (77.7 bb) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 3.6, Hands: 369
UTG+2: $13.51 (135.1 bb)
Hero (MP1): $12.60 (126 bb)
MP2: $18.37 (183.7 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $3.40 (34 bb)
BTN: $10.56 (105.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

Q

UTG+1 raises to $0.30, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.86, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.56

Flop: ($1.87) T

9

Q

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.93, UTG+1 raises to $1.86, Hero raises to $2.99, UTG+1 raises to $6.91 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.92

Turn: ($15.69) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($15.69) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $15.69 pot ($0.78 rake)
Final Board: T

9

Q

Q

T

UTG+1 showed J

8

and won $14.91 ($7.14 net)
Hero showed Q

Q

and lost (-$7.77 net)

Hehe.... bad beat jackpot?

 

[MinhANguyen]

My maths has always been a bit dodgy. I was disappointed with myself for not knowing if it was correct to call here.
This is a basic gap in my knowledge that I need to bottom out.
I've never fully grasped the concept of the odds required to breakeven.
Just from experience I know I'm a dog here but the size of the pot must make it a close call.
So for the sake of ridicule i'll post it.

So how do we stand here fold or call?

The villain is very passive, hes only doing this with a set, AA KK or QQ but preflop suggests a set.
I make it $6.56 to call with a pot of $13.84 so pot odds of 2.1
Equity JJ v 88 99 TT QQ KK AA
33/66 equity dog, spot on 2-1

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Hero (SB): $10.82 (108.2 bb)
BB: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
UTG+2: $10.87 (108.7 bb)
MP1: $10.59 (105.9 bb)
MP2: $9.09 (90.9 bb)
MP3: $10.27 (102.7 bb)
CO: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 1.0, Hands: 242

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

J

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($3) 8

T

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.14, BTN raises to $8.70 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $7.28 pot ($0.33 rake)
Final Board: 8

T

9

Hero?

Any merit in check-calling? As the PFR/3-bettor, especially 3-bettor, I check a lot of my range that favors my opponent's range and heavily disfavors mine. Also, if we get action on this type of board, we're going to be way behind. If we get jammed on and we end up folding, we end up folding out a ton of our equity. Checking also widens Villain's range and opens up his bluffing range. Shouldn't we be checking here with strong hands and on boards like Q107hh with TP/overpair hands to balance our range and make up for the times we have two whiffed overs/air? That way, Villain can't just go barrel happy with air against our checking range. Most of the time, we can't get three streets of value from a worse hand on such a scary board anyway.

 

[rhombus]

Here's a better one you can ridicule me about. I'm playing more FR than usual if there's no good tables lately. I notice a lot of these tighter FR guys will just blast away in spots that don't make sense if you just check to them, so I wanted to get some of that bad bluff value. I didn't follow through on my plan even though I say there and was like, WTF does he think I'm calling with for that river sizing? Not AQ/KK or AA. So is he just a FR nimrod or does he have TT. I couldn't even put him on QQ. I timed out and folded. Spoiler below. His aggression was on 2, but again, I've just found on these FR tables people don't understand range and value range, and opponents ranges very well. So the thought process reverts to, they checked, they are weak, I should just bet.

Maybe the guy was just fed up of geting bluffed all the time so decided to fire out on scary flop and follow through.

I was looking at some stats the othe day and came across the Bet vs Missed CB and was wondering if worthwhile adding as alot of players seem to float and when checked to fire out as you mentioned above.

Overall Bet vs Missed CB IP which is when somebody doesnt CB OOP and other player Bets
or
Overall Bet vs Missed CB OOP which is when somebody doesnt CB and other player then leads next street

However on My HUD when I hovered over the 2 numbers I couldnt see them on the POP UP. Or If I use them is it better to be more specific with them i.e.

Turn Bet vs Missed CB or even break it down further to

Turn Bet vs Missed FLop CB IP and Turn Bet vs Missed Flop CB OOP


In the 1st pic it says I Bet 25% when checked to and 33% I lead on next street when they dont CBET, but when I hover over the individual stats the popup is the same for both so dont know the sample as obv.. bigger sample more reliable

 

[rhombus]

Better example for this guy with 325 Hands
FI is 86 so 86% when as the PFR you dont CBet he will bet 6 out of 7 times
TO is 80 so as the PFR if you dont CBET he will lead the turn 4 out of 5 times
RI and RO both 100 so difficult to say lol, also when you hover above TO or TI it shows the same popup

So I think the vs Miss CB popup applies for both Stats on Turn and Both on River

 

[John A]

Better example for this guy with 325 Hands
FI is 86 so 86% when as the PFR you dont CBet he will bet 6 out of 7 times
TO is 80 so as the PFR if you dont CBET he will lead the turn 4 out of 5 times
RI and RO both 100 so difficult to say lol, also when you hover above TO or TI it shows the same popup

So I think the vs Miss CB popup applies for both Stats on Turn and Both on River

Yeah, I think so. I actually haven't looked at those stats before simply because sample size needs to be pretty large. I hadn't really played FR in a long time, but now that there's less and less tables, I'll look for 1 or so in a session and play. I've seen a lot of somewhat tighter guys on FR just 3 barrel when you check to them in spots that make no sense. I should have just called that last one. It was my plan, but I timed out and aborted. It's just something I've noticed that doesn't happen quite as often at 6-max. I think players understanding bluffing ranges a little better and will only bluff when it makes sense vs opponents range. Where at FR they will just bet at any perceived sign of weakness regardless of whether it makes sense to be bluffing in that spot.

 

[scorcher2003]

Hi everyone I'm new to the thread and would like to be apart of the group. My Current situation is. Busted bankroll. I live in my car and i study this game 24 hrs a day and i'm still having difficulties with winning. I play free rolls Because I dont have much money to play. I become chip leader or within top 5 in almost EVERY freeroll including the big ones that ACR AND BCP $150k free roll. I just cant hold it together as players get eliminated. I out last everyone then I begin to get extremely bored and get in hands the same way I would to build the stack but then their shoves and luck seems to kick my ass. even when i know i make the right call. Please help. I work hard and study harder. please point me in the right direction. I want to play cash games, NOT tournament. I hate not being able to get up and leave after playing with all my energy just to watch it disappear cause some luck factor and clown thats short stack and desperate shoves nothing to catch runner runner. I'm building my will power day by day but im tired of losing. I've given this game all of my energy including making itit my life so to speak, its becoming less fun cause i know the effort and energy im giving and im not liking the reward . just looking down another avenue. Quitting is never an option for me in things I do, I'm just tired of running into the same brick wall. =( Please help! i'm not desperate I just wanna learn!

 

[or3o1990]

Welcome scorcher. Sorry to hear you're having a rough time. I had a very long break even stretch playing sng's last year then I switched to cash and never looked back. It's a totally different game but if you stick around here I'm sure you'll learn plenty!


Is there a sweat today or what guys?

 

[TimovieMan]

88 from the SB - did I miss a great squeeze opportunity preflop? And is just check-folding correct postflop?


PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 40 BB
BTN: 52.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 34)
Hero (SB): 131 BB
BB: 81.5 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 8:heart: 8:diamond:

UTG calls 1 BB, CO checks, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players) A:diamond: K:diamond: K:club:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5 BB, 5 players) 6:heart:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: (5 BB, 5 players) 2:spade:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold

 

[MinhANguyen]

Don't iso raise. With hands like 88, having it go multiway increases your implied odds. And you will almost always be on the better side of set over set given preflop action. You're also OOP, which is why isolating with 88 is not that great. Would rather isolate with hands that don't play well multiway like big aces, and 1010+ to build a pot.

 

[rhombus]

Don't iso raise. With hands like 88, having it go multiway increases your implied odds. And you will almost always be on the better side of set over set given preflop action. You're also OOP, which is why isolating with 88 is not that great. Would rather isolate with hands that don't play well multiway like big aces, and 1010+ to build a pot.

So you suggest 22-99 call to get MW and TT+ as better to iso heads up and for value

 

[rhombus]

Yeah, I think so. I actually haven't looked at those stats before simply because sample size needs to be pretty large. I hadn't really played FR in a long time, but now that there's less and less tables, I'll look for 1 or so in a session and play. I've seen a lot of somewhat tighter guys on FR just 3 barrel when you check to them in spots that make no sense. I should have just called that last one. It was my plan, but I timed out and aborted. It's just something I've noticed that doesn't happen quite as often at 6-max. I think players understanding bluffing ranges a little better and will only bluff when it makes sense vs opponents range. Where at FR they will just bet at any perceived sign of weakness regardless of whether it makes sense to be bluffing in that spot.

dont think it takes that big of a sample especialy if they are aggressive i.e. will bet whenever you check as the aggressor
The sample to see the ones who dont bet when you check as the aggressor will take alot bigger sample.

When i watched a video, the popup they had showed all of them on the popup for both in position and OOP for Missed CBET when they hovered over their HUD see examples below

 

[John A]

Hi everyone I'm new to the thread and would like to be apart of the group. My Current situation is. Busted bankroll. I live in my car and i study this game 24 hrs a day and i'm still having difficulties with winning. I play free rolls Because I dont have much money to play. I become chip leader or within top 5 in almost EVERY freeroll including the big ones that ACR AND BCP $150k free roll. I just cant hold it together as players get eliminated. I out last everyone then I begin to get extremely bored and get in hands the same way I would to build the stack but then their shoves and luck seems to kick my ass. even when i know i make the right call. Please help. I work hard and study harder. please point me in the right direction. I want to play cash games, NOT tournament. I hate not being able to get up and leave after playing with all my energy just to watch it disappear cause some luck factor and clown thats short stack and desperate shoves nothing to catch runner runner. I'm building my will power day by day but im tired of losing. I've given this game all of my energy including making itit my life so to speak, its becoming less fun cause i know the effort and energy im giving and im not liking the reward . just looking down another avenue. Quitting is never an option for me in things I do, I'm just tired of running into the same brick wall. =( Please help! i'm not desperate I just wanna learn!

Welcome. The big key is you just need to study, review, and develop that discipline. You can have the best theoretical understanding of this game, but if you don't have the discipline you'll just flush it all down the drain.

Poker is patience. It's not getting emotionally involved when you lose a big pot or get sucked out on. You have to realize that ALL of that is part of the game.

And here the truth: Most people can't handle that. Most people will allow themselves to think they are entitled to X or Y because they played better than their fishy opponent. You have to completely purge that mentality from your mind and realize that you're not entitled to anything in this game. You put the work in, and let the cards fall where they are.... and then ACCEPT it.

If you can do that, you'll be well on your way.

 

[John A]

88 from the SB - did I miss a great squeeze opportunity preflop? And is just check-folding correct postflop?


PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 40 BB
BTN: 52.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 34)
Hero (SB): 131 BB
BB: 81.5 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 8♥ 8♦

UTG calls 1 BB, CO checks, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players) A♦ K♦ K♣
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5 BB, 5 players) 6♥
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: (5 BB, 5 players) 2♠
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold

You're not squeezing, you're just raising, which yes, I'd recommend doing pre-flop here. Especially if btn is at all aggressive. The last thing you want to do w/ these hands is limp in strong, have the BTN raise and then you're stuck playing a raised pot OOP w/ no initiative.

Any ways, as played, firing the flop is probably ok, but a check is ok too. Once everyone checks, you need to bet the turn. Just for the sake of protecting your equity. Maybe 6x calls, but even so MW you want to just weed out the other hands that all have some degree of equity against you.

On the river, once there's a bet and a call you can fold.

 

[John A]

I put up a top 10 poker strategy book list yesterday. These aren't all from me, it was a community vote.

http://www.acepokersolutions.com/poker-blog/top-10-poker-strategy-books/

Anyone have any other suggestions/comments, let me know.

 

[rhombus]

Maximising Value - I run into this spot alot

This one alot easier as eff stack under 1.5 , but how much do you bet here and do you fire the river whatever the card as committed.

What about if deeper i.e. 2 or 3 times pot and also OOP

poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $9.98 (199.6 bb)
BB: $9.30 (186 bb)
UTG: $5.50 (110 bb) 23/17 3B 10.5 AG% 33
MP: $5.29 (105.8 bb)
CO: $5.58 (111.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $6.91 (138.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

UTG raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.43, SB folds, BB calls $0.38, UTG calls $0.31

Flop: ($1.31) 4

3

2

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB folds, UTG calls $0.85

Turn: ($3.01) 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero??????

 

[MinhANguyen]

So you suggest 22-99 call to get MW and TT+ as better to iso heads up and for value

88 I'm fine with iso raising OTB/CO, but not from the SB OOP when we're near closing the action. The BB cannot raise over all the limpers without a strong/premium hand since he will be stuck OOP like we are in a pot that will most likely be multiway. In this exact spot I'm flatting with 22-99 and iso raising TT+.

 

[MinhANguyen]

Maximising Value - I run into this spot alot

This one alot easier as eff stack under 1.5 , but how much do you bet here and do you fire the river whatever the card as committed.

What about if deeper i.e. 2 or 3 times pot and also OOP

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $9.98 (199.6 bb)
BB: $9.30 (186 bb)
UTG: $5.50 (110 bb) 23/17 3B 10.5 AG% 33
MP: $5.29 (105.8 bb)
CO: $5.58 (111.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $6.91 (138.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

Q

UTG raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.43, SB folds, BB calls $0.38, UTG calls $0.31

Flop: ($1.31) 4

3

2

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB folds, UTG calls $0.85

Turn: ($3.01) 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero??????

I don't really see a reason to slow down. Hands like 88-JJ are pretty much always peeling a turn bet, and also hands like two overs + gutshot (AK and possibly AQ). Flush draws aren't folding either. I don't expect him to have KK+ that often due to preflop action, and sets would probably raise flop due to how many cards could kill his action. In the rare case you get check-raised, I think letting go of QQ is fine.

 

[MinhANguyen]

You're not squeezing, you're just raising, which yes, I'd recommend doing pre-flop here. Especially if btn is at all aggressive. The last thing you want to do w/ these hands is limp in strong, have the BTN raise and then you're stuck playing a raised pot OOP w/ no initiative.

Any ways, as played, firing the flop is probably ok, but a check is ok too. Once everyone checks, you need to bet the turn. Just for the sake of protecting your equity. Maybe 6x calls, but even so MW you want to just weed out the other hands that all have some degree of equity against you.

On the river, once there's a bet and a call you can fold.

Hero is small blind, not CO. I agree on iso raising if he were CO.

I don't really think betting out 88 5-way on a board where someone might be slowplaying a K and on an A high board is a good idea. People love playing sooted aces and limping ace rag, so we're just value owning ourselves most of the time. Only hands we can really get value from are broadway gutshots, and they have tons of equity against us.

 

[scorcher2003]

Welcome. The big key is you just need to study, review, and develop that discipline. You can have the best theoretical understanding of this game, but if you don't have the discipline you'll just flush it all down the drain.

Poker is patience. It's not getting emotionally involved when you lose a big pot or get sucked out on. You have to realize that ALL of that is part of the game.

And here the truth: Most people can't handle that. Most people will allow themselves to think they are entitled to X or Y because they played better than their fishy opponent. You have to completely purge that mentality from your mind and realize that you're not entitled to anything in this game. You put the work in, and let the cards fall where they are.... and then ACCEPT it.

If you can do that, you'll be well on your way.

Thank you very much for the advice. I'm willing to let go and accept whatever it is I need to learn to become better. I really want to be one of the best at this game and i'll put in whatever effecient work I need to. I started meditation last summer. I had my real first meditation after a few months of not doing it =/ (use to meditate almost every day) the other day. Well I'm ready and willing and I push hard. i just want to learn thats all lol

 

[or3o1990]

Did I officially just earn my nit badge or is this a good fold?




iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 64.65 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (MP+2): 143.75 BB
CO: 109 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 61)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.16, PFR: 10.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 129)
SB: 102.65 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 9.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)
BB: 60.9 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: 73.15 BB (VPIP: 21.19, PFR: 5.08, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 119)
UTG+1: 127.95 BB (VPIP: 42.11, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
MP: 134.1 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 123)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:diamond: T:diamond:

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

Flop: (41.5 BB, 2 players) K:club: 8:diamond: 5:heart:
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (41.5 BB, 2 players) Q:diamond:
MP bets 27.75 BB, Hero calls 27.75 BB

River: (97 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
MP bets 86.35 BB, fold

MP wins 180.35 BB

 

[Figaroo2]

Yeah its a tough spot on balance I think the fold is good. I'd like to know how often you had been 3betting him though as that has a big bearing on how light he is going to 4bet you.
His 4bet size is small most would make it 23-27bb rather than 20.
If this was the first time you'd 3bet him I fold as KK QQ and AdKd are all in most small 4bet ranges.
Question is whether he is pissed off with you and could he be reacting badly with AA or AKos. 88 is a bit far fetched and I can't see any other flushes. You played it so you knew the hand dynamics from the outside fold looks good. Would you have called a shove if you made a flush and the board didn't pair? I presume you would.
It's actually pre flop I don't like this hand, it's a very light 3bet and a very light dubious call of the 4bet you are going to have to smack this flop hard or bluff a fair amount. It's a standard flop and you would have had to have folded if he had cbet the flop. I think it's a call or fold pre.

 

[Figaroo2]

Here's a better one you can ridicule

iPoker - $2 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 30)
UTG: 28.5 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 35.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 162.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 144.45 BB (VPIP: 25.71, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
SB: 81.95 BB (VPIP: 25.81, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 31)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K<font color='black'>♣</font> K<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 3 players) T<font color='red'>♦</font> T<font color='red'>♥</font> Q<font color='red'>♥</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (23 BB, 2 players) 4<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

River: (53 BB, 2 players) J<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets 45 BB, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 95.35 BB w/ 6s5s

I don't see what else you can do but fold here. He is repping a T and his preflop range is wide enough to have plenty of those
His river bet sizing is odd. like you say nothing much can call that bet other than the case T or a badly played AK.

Interesting post you made to the new guy as well, thanks for posting that. My tilt profile contains a fair amount of entitlement issues that I need to let go of. It's easy to forget margins are small in this game.