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poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $40.09 (400.9 bb)
UTG: $20.16 (201.6 bb)
MP: $15.95 (159.5 bb)
CO: $5.14 (51.4 bb)
BTN: $11.46 (114.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T
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T
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UTG folds, MP raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.60, MP calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.10) K
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K
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9
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(3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, BB calls $1.20, MP folds

Turn: ($4.50) 2
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Hero??????????????
 

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SB: $25.96 (129.8 bb)
BB: $19.10 (95.5 bb) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 30
MP1: $21.66 (108.3 bb) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 124
Hero (MP2): $45.34 (226.7 bb)
MP3: $12.60 (63 bb)
CO: $12.26 (61.3 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.2, Hands: 469

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A
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Q
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MP1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.72, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.72, SB folds, BB calls $0.52, MP1 calls $0.52

Flop: ($2.98) 6
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7
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A
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BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.49, BTN calls $1.49, BB calls $1.49, MP1 folds

Turn: ($7.45) T
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BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50,
Hero ?

Should I have just kept betting the turn or do we call and reevaluate or even fold?
Pot is $14.45. 89 just got there but there are lots of draws and aces as well.
Its these sort of loose ranges multiway where, at the table in real time, I struggle to know what my equity is and hence don't really know what to do.

Edit...Yeah looking at the equity calc against their likely ranges I'm likely at least 60% on the flop so should probably be betting the turn

Yes, bet/fold the turn. I don't think enough people shove draws on the turn this shallow, so if you're shoved on it's doubtful it's a draw or weaker value Ax.
 
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overall I have quite mixed results when 3Betting OOP and then getting raised on the Flop. TOp pic is just getting rasied on the flop, picture below is the same but went to showdown.

What kind of things do I need to look out for when getting raised on the flop, especially if I have something like top pair good/top kicker
 

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Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $40.09 (400.9 bb)
UTG: $20.16 (201.6 bb)
MP: $15.95 (159.5 bb)
CO: $5.14 (51.4 bb)
BTN: $11.46 (114.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T
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T
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UTG folds, MP raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.60, MP calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.10) K
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K
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9
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(3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, BB calls $1.20, MP folds

Turn: ($4.50) 2
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(2 players)
Hero??????????????


27% Agg... check/fold turn. MW 3-bet pot, you're basically hoping for 88/77 with a spade to bet for value that's worse. Other than that you're not in good shape, and w/ agg levels that low, he'll probably check most of those through, so I'd just check and look to fold to any reasonable bet.
 
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AQ: It's a difficult one, but I'm thinking a fold is best.

TT: Looks like check/fold is best.
 
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overall I have quite mixed results when 3Betting OOP and then getting raised on the Flop. TOp pic is just getting rasied on the flop, picture below is the same but went to showdown.

What kind of things do I need to look out for when getting raised on the flop, especially if I have something like top pair good/top kicker

Hey Rhombus,

The next time you 3! OOP, ask yourself why you are doing it. Don't just think 3! is the right play automatically. Are you good at playing OOP? If you aren't, why are you making the pot bloated by doing a 3! ? This is so important because the only times you are 3! OOP are probably the blinds. The blinds is where you're supposed to try and lose the least! Maybe try tightening up your 3! range OOP. Don't just blindly decide AQ, AJ, QQ-TT is a 3! OOP. There are a bunch of hands that I can see that are still beating that range. Heck even QJ/QK is stronger than TT if the player plays you IP. Review your hands and see how you're losing them and see how you can avoid losing it against the type of player you're up against. Please don't get the wrong idea because I'm not saying AQ, AJ, QQ-TT isn't a 3! sometimes.
 
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Hey Rhombus,

The next time you 3! OOP, ask yourself why you are doing it. Don't just think 3! is the right play automatically. Are you good at playing OOP? If you aren't, why are you making the pot bloated by doing a 3! ? This is so important because the only times you are 3! OOP are probably the blinds. The blinds is where you're supposed to try and lose the least! Maybe try tightening up your 3! range OOP. Don't just blindly decide AQ, AJ, QQ-TT is a 3! OOP. There are a bunch of hands that I can see that are still beating that range. Heck even QJ/QK is stronger than TT if the player plays you IP. Review your hands and see how you're losing them and see how you can avoid losing it against the type of player you're up against. Please don't get the wrong idea because I'm not saying AQ, AJ, QQ-TT isn't a 3! sometimes.

Well, that brings up a good point. Why don't we all look at when we've flatted say a range of this OOP vs 3-bet the same range OOP:

A9s-AQs(100), ATo-AQo(100), KJo+(100), KJs+(100), 88-99(100)
 
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call versus 3bet from blinds

Using the ranges John suggested. A9s-AQs(100), ATo-AQo(100), KJo+(100), KJs+(100), 88-99(100)
Looks like an edge for calling on bb/100 over a 240K hand sample although to be fair there's not much in it. But $ev adjusted is better for 3betting. W$SD% much higher calling.
I filtered for late position openers CO BTN and SB

I would expect Rhoms to be significantly different from mine as he 3bets a lot more than me from the blinds, probably more than double. My total 3bet% from both the SB and BB is only 5.5% and 5.3%
so I'm likely to get a load more folds. 3/4 of the hands were FR as well. In 6max my 3bet% is more than 1% higher.

Edit OK just checked on the 3betting sample only 20 hands from the 531 went to a flop (added saw flop) and I was -$3.54 for those hands. Like I said a ton of folds.
 

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wasnt sure about which filter to use, also what Report are you using that shows USD EV adjust
Is the screenshot below correct for the flat calling and do I just change 3bet to be True and change nothing else for the 3Bet stats

Flat Call
A9s-AQs(100), ATo-AQo(100), KJo+(100), KJs+(100), 88-99(100)
Hero SB or BB
Raiser Position EP, MP, CO, BTN
Preflop Action: Rasier and Caller(s), Single Raiser
Combo Action : no 3Bet

3Bet
Same as above but Combo Action 3BET
 

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Managed to find the USD EV adjusted in the expected value by Stakes Tab
Top pic is overall, middle just calling from blinds and bottom 3Betting.

I seem to do better 3Betting although results could be skewed as overall running bad
-2.31 and should be +68.10
 

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some hands from last night which I didnt get a chance to post
Hand 1 - Is shove on the turn Ok - he was quite aggressive and as he didnt 3Bet pre I discounted TT+ so put him on something like 87, 89, 45 flush draws etc
Hand 2 - Fold or Call, even though he only had 27% agg there were lots of common draws that missed all spade draws 89, JQ, AQ, AJ and didnt think hed value bet a King
Hand 3 - Another Call or Fold

Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
BB: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $11.18 (111.8 bb) 25/17 50%AG 115 Hands
CO: $14.63 (146.3 bb)
BTN: $11.21 (112.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9
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9
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Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) 3
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6
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8
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(3 players)
Hero bets $0.66, MP calls $0.66, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.37) 3
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Hero bets $1.50, MP raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $9.19 and is all-in


Hand 2
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SB: $16.60 (166 bb)
BB: $27.24 (272.4 bb)
MP: $5 (50 bb)
Hero (CO): $15.14 (151.4 bb)26/20 29% AG W$48% WSD37% 563Hands
BTN: $9.95 (99.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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T
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MP folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55) 7
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T
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K
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.15) 7
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

River: ($2.75) 4
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(2 players)
BB bets $2.52 Hero ??????

Hand3
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $6.98 (69.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $27.26 (272.6 bb) 25/21 W$41% WSD37% AG38% 558 Hands
MP: $10.12 (101.2 bb)
CO: $11.49 (114.9 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A
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K
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Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 7
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A
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J
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.15) 8
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.15) K
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Hero checks, BTN bets $7 and is all-in, Hero ??
 
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wasnt sure about which filter to use, also what Report are you using that shows USD EV adjust
Is the screenshot below correct for the flat calling and do I just change 3bet to be True and change nothing else for the 3Bet stats

Flat Call
A9s-AQs(100), ATo-AQo(100), KJo+(100), KJs+(100), 88-99(100)
Hero SB or BB
Raiser Position EP, MP, CO, BTN
Preflop Action: Rasier and Caller(s), Single Raiser
Combo Action : no 3Bet
Id change the red to cold call, no 3bet may pick up your folds and cold 4bets and if you want a direct comparison with mine lose EP and MP, are you three betting these hands very often against raises from those positions
 
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99. You are turning a hand with good showdown value into a bluff. Personally I'm never doing that but it doesn't mean it won't work
AT I'm snap calling it's either nuts or air as all the straight and flush draws missed and is Kx betting that big? I don't think so.
AK is more troublesome. The flop raise could have come from Ah xh which didn't get there but he could also have a flopped 2 pair which we now beat but a set plays this the same way. Yuk and I can't see the stats to help on this. I'd be looking for aggression and wtsd stats to help me. Leaning towards a call.
 
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99. You are turning a hand with good showdown value into a bluff. Personally I'm never doing that but it doesn't mean it won't work

This is a good spot to get to showdown but we can never call this a bluff because better hands never fold here right?

I think this is quite a tough spot. Yes we want to get to showdown but ideally we would like to get there as cheap as possible. If we call the turn there is a very high chance of facing a river shove anyway. Therefore we need to make our decision here on the turn, shove or fold?

If he had some sort of pair and flush draw or straight draw and flush draw he would have raised the flop. When he raises the turn however I'm not really sure what we can put him on that we beat. If you have some sort of read that he will do this with top pair then sure get stacks in, otherwise I may just find a fold.
 
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This is a good spot to get to showdown but we can never call this a bluff because better hands never fold here right?

I think this is quite a tough spot. Yes we want to get to showdown but ideally we would like to get there as cheap as possible. If we call the turn there is a very high chance of facing a river shove anyway. Therefore we need to make our decision here on the turn, shove or fold?

If he had some sort of pair and flush draw or straight draw and flush draw he would have raised the flop. When he raises the turn however I'm not really sure what we can put him on that we beat. If you have some sort of read that he will do this with top pair then sure get stacks in, otherwise I may just find a fold.

So if you are the villain are you calling this shove with TT JJ QQ?
At these stakes the small turn raise here is usually a pot sweetner from a set but can also be those mid overpairs trying to "find out where they are"
In fact John has been advocating that line for our medium strength hands to achieve a cheaper showdown. Ie the turn raise leads to check check on the river as opposed to having to call a bigger 3rd barrel.
 
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iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 20.18 BB (VPIP: 40.43, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
UTG+1: 131.94 BB (VPIP: 32.50, PFR: 27.50, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 40)
MP: 28.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+1: 51.25 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
BTN: 55.15 BB (VPIP: 32.61, PFR: 23.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
SB: 121.54 BB (VPIP: 35.90, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 39)
Hero (BB): 181.55 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, MP+1 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 16.5 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 13.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (40.5 BB, 2 players) 4 K Q
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

Turn: (76.5 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (100.5 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 38 BB, fold

UTG+1 wins 135.5 BB

Ok John. Fig and I have been going to war here and he requested you settle it lol. The villian is a loose opener and has 3bet a few times in 40 hands. However, he has folded to cbet 2/2 and 3bet 3/3 up until this hand. He has been a bit aggro but I'm giving his flatting a 3b from ep range something like 99+, KQs, AQ+.

Disregarding postflop community cards. I think we get one street from all pp we beat and AQ. Two streets from AK at best. But he will bet all of his hands that beat us 3streets along with second best hands and possibly bluffs.

Fig strongly disagrees with the flop check. I'm more curious about the river fold. But fig assumes villain to have a much wider range than I give him. In which case I do agree with betting the flop. However, villain hasn't shown us he's calling 3bets light or floating flops light. So I don't want to reach for assumptions. The only thing I know for sure he's capable of is betting.
 
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Using the ranges John suggested. A9s-AQs(100), ATo-AQo(100), KJo+(100), KJs+(100), 88-99(100)
Looks like an edge for calling on bb/100 over a 240K hand sample although to be fair there's not much in it. But $ev adjusted is better for 3betting. W$SD% much higher calling.
I filtered for late position openers CO BTN and SB

I would expect Rhoms to be significantly different from mine as he 3bets a lot more than me from the blinds, probably more than double. My total 3bet% from both the SB and BB is only 5.5% and 5.3%
so I'm likely to get a load more folds. 3/4 of the hands were FR as well. In 6max my 3bet% is more than 1% higher.

Edit OK just checked on the 3betting sample only 20 hands from the 531 went to a flop (added saw flop) and I was -$3.54 for those hands. Like I said a ton of folds.

Cool, ya you're running really bad w the 3-bet filter. This was a little bit of a trick question because I think pretty much anyone I've ever had run this is more profitable when they 3-bet those hands. This is how the argument goes when deciding to 3-bet or not:

Flat) If I just flat call in this spot, I keep my opponents weaker range in. Otherwise I'm just turning my hand into a bluff most of the time.

3-Bet) By 3-betting I take initiative in the hand and widen my 3-bet range by having a non-polarized range. Opponents can make bigger mistakes pre and post flop this way.


Personally I do both depending on my opponent and what's been happening at the table. But for most players, despite what you might have heard in the poker meme world, 3-betting that range tends to be significantly higher EV.

I'd suggest everyone who reads this thread to run these and post them so people can see as well.
 
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some hands from last night which I didnt get a chance to post
Hand 1 - Is shove on the turn Ok - he was quite aggressive and as he didnt 3Bet pre I discounted TT+ so put him on something like 87, 89, 45 flush draws etc
Hand 2 - Fold or Call, even though he only had 27% agg there were lots of common draws that missed all spade draws 89, JQ, AQ, AJ and didnt think hed value bet a King
Hand 3 - Another Call or Fold

Hand1
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SB: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
BB: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (UTG): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $11.18 (111.8 bb) 25/17 50%AG 115 Hands
CO: $14.63 (146.3 bb)
BTN: $11.21 (112.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9
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9
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Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.05) 3
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6
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8
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(3 players)
Hero bets $0.66, MP calls $0.66, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.37) 3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $9.19 and is all-in

These hands are pretty straight forward. Your opponent isn't shoving 8x. He either has 66/88 or something like KK+ trapping and maybe QQ, or a draw. 99-JJ are mostly calling as is 77. All of those hands are calling a shove that are raising, so we just punch it up in an equity calc. And yes, you want to make your decision here on the turn. You're either shoving or folding. You're not turning your hand into a bluff, you're deciding if the math makes sense to shove here or not.

Hand 2
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SB: $16.60 (166 bb)
BB: $27.24 (272.4 bb)
MP: $5 (50 bb)
Hero (CO): $15.14 (151.4 bb)26/20 29% AG W$48% WSD37% 563Hands
BTN: $9.95 (99.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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T
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MP folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55) 7
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T
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K
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.15) 7
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

River: ($2.75) 4
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BB bets $2.52 Hero ??????
Were those supposed to be opponent stats? Call fold here completely depends on aggression and stats. 7x or bluff make slightly more sense than Kx. In a wind tunnel I'd lean towards a fold since most opponents don't just near pot it if they are c/cing with a draw and then just get into bluff mode. If they had a propensity to bluff, they'd have done it earlier in the hand by semi-bluffing, CRing, etc... not saying it never happens, but it's much less likely.

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SB: $6.98 (69.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $27.26 (272.6 bb) 25/21 W$41% WSD37% AG38% 558 Hands
MP: $10.12 (101.2 bb)
CO: $11.49 (114.9 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A
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K
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Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 7
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A
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J
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.15) 8
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Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.15) K
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Hero checks, BTN bets $7 and is all-in, Hero ??
The turn bet sizing makes me want to snap call the river. He either has 9T/QhTh or a flush draw / air. Stats would help. It's a strange small flop raise if he had a big hand. Typically speaking, I think any reasonable reg knows that if you have Ax there and they have 2pair+ they can extract more if they raise more. It seems like he's just donking around and hopefully didn't just get lucky w/ like QhTh or something like that. Stats play a big roll here on this kind of call.
 
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These hands are pretty straight forward. Your opponent isn't shoving 8x. He either has 66/88 or something like KK+ trapping and maybe QQ, or a draw. 99-JJ are mostly calling as is 77. All of those hands are calling a shove that are raising, so we just punch it up in an equity calc. And yes, you want to make your decision here on the turn. You're either shoving or folding. You're not turning your hand into a bluff, you're deciding if the math makes sense to shove here or not.

Were those supposed to be opponent stats? Call fold here completely depends on aggression and stats. 7x or bluff make slightly more sense than Kx. In a wind tunnel I'd lean towards a fold since most opponents don't just near pot it if they are c/cing with a draw and then just get into bluff mode. If they had a propensity to bluff, they'd have done it earlier in the hand by semi-bluffing, CRing, etc... not saying it never happens, but it's much less likely.

The turn bet sizing makes me want to snap call the river. He either has 9T/QhTh or a flush draw / air. Stats would help. It's a strange small flop raise if he had a big hand. Typically speaking, I think any reasonable reg knows that if you have Ax there and they have 2pair+ they can extract more if they raise more. It seems like he's just donking around and hopefully didn't just get lucky w/ like QhTh or something like that. Stats play a big roll here on this kind of call.

Hand 1 after I shoved he called and turned over Ac3c for quads
Hand 2 He did have a draw but unfortunately for me it was 9s7s to hit trips
Hand 3 I bottled it and folded

PS apologies for the stats I posted 2nd and 3rd hand stats on my line DOhhhh!!
Also because I had alot of hands on the villains 500+ I postd W$ Won dollars and WSD went to showdown
Villain Hand 2 was 26/20 AG29%, W$48% WSD37% - 563 Hands
Villain Hand 3 was 25/21 AG38%, W$41% WSD37% - 558 Hands

so based on villain in hand 3 having AG38% and high wtsd of 37% does this make it an easier call
 
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Hand 1 fold to 3bet flop

Hand 2 bet flop/check turn/call bluff
If he bets turn its a fold

Hand 3 bet turn or check raise his half pot is trying to buy a cheap card.. river is a shove fk opponent.. if he has us so be it
 
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99: I fold to the turn raise. Too much A3s and 66/88 in his coldcalling range, or TT+ in his trapping range.

ATs: I check the turn and call the river. As played, I'm leaning towards a call. Plenty of whiffed draws, imo.

AKo: I snap-call the river. This is a whiffed draw or a weaker two-pair more than often enough, imo.


AA: Bet the flop, and the entire hand plays differently. As played, I'm lost. Is villain barreling all three streets without a K? I think I agree with the fold. But seriously, bet the flop. :p



So if I get this right, the stats are for A9s, AT-AQ, KJ+ and 88-99, played from the SB or BB, with only a 2-bet before us (and callers):

Hands where I called:

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Hands where I 3-bet:

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Hand 1 is turn shove OK against an aggressive player
Hand 2 is the river shove ok or spew
Hand 3 at the tiem I thought I was played it well but then maybe not ????????

Hand1
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $15.27 (152.7 bb)
BB: $13.63 (136.3 bb) 28/26 AG52% 54 Hands
UTG: $24.10 (241 bb)
MP: $9.57 (95.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $9.25 (92.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J
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J
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.05) 6
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4
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6
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(2 players)
BB bets $1.01, Hero calls $1.01

Turn: ($4.07) 7
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(2 players)
BB bets $2.40, Hero raises to $6.74


Hand2
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.56 (55.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.10 (101 bb)
UTG: $14.82 (148.2 bb)
MP: $12.21 (122.1 bb)
CO: $10.40 (104 bb)
BTN: $10.43 (104.3 bb) 38/25 AG 25% only 8 hands

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4
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6
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UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 3
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2
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7
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(3 players)
Hero bets $0.70, UTG folds, BTN calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35) Q
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, BTN calls $1.70

River: ($5.75) 8
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(2 players)
Hero bets $7.40

Hand3
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $66.94 (669.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $13.65 (136.5 bb)
UTG: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
MP: $17.16 (171.6 bb) 50/50 AG 67% only 2 hands
CO: $10.78 (107.8 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A
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J
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UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 8
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T
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Q
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(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.40, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.30, MP calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.50) A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50

River: ($6.50) A
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1

Results: $8.50 pot ($0.38 rake)
Final Board: 8
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T
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Q
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A
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A
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Hero mucked A
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J
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and lost (-$4.10 net)
MP showed K
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J
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and won $8.12 ($4.02 net)
 
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Hand 1: what are villain's 3-bet stats? If he's a loose 3-bettor and could be doing this with 88-TT (or could be double-barreling overcards), then yes, perfect!
If he's a tighter 3-bettor, then you're only getting called by QQ+, because a 6 is not in your range, so the best hand you have is 44/77.

Hand 2: you have a flush, and your sudden over-betting has the added advantage of looking bluffy which could get called lighter. Well played, imo. Bad beat if he has a better flush.

Hand 3: not fond of the flop check/raise, our draw is not strong enough for that and we're out of position, so we could be in trouble if raised on the turn. I'd just call, check/call (possibly check/raise on a blank, else check/fold), check/call (or bet the river if the turn gets checked through).
 
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Hand 1. Raising the turn on this board just looks like we fold out his AK AQ and bluffs and only really get called by better. Why not just call him down on anything lower than a J
Hand 2, fold pre everytime we talked about not playing these hands in this spot the other week especially against an utg open.
Hand 3 looks ok to me not a lot we can do, some weird sizing on the turn and river, he lost a ton of value, looks fishy.
 
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Some light relief from the boredom of folding all weekend. Mr bad lag.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $11.52 (115.2 bb)
BB: $4.74 (47.4 bb) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 3.7, Hands: 149
UTG+2: $13.84 (138.4 bb)
MP1: $3.74 (37.4 bb)
MP2: $10.96 (109.6 bb)
MP3: $10.75 (107.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $11.09 (110.9 bb)
BTN: $3.60 (36 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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A
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4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) A
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A
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3
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.31, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.59

Turn: ($2.45) 6
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.45) 8
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(2 players)
BB bets $1.20, Hero raises to $5.94, BB folds

Results: $4.85 pot ($0.22 rake)
Final Board: A
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A
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3
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6
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8
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BB mucked and lost (-$2.40 net)
Hero showed A
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A
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and won $4.63 ($2.23 net)
 
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