Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[TimovieMan]

I am pretty sure it is more like 40%. 33% is when facing a pot sized bet as you are getting 2 to 1. This hand we need to call $8.40 to win $12.40 so approx 1.5 to 1 or 40%.

You're absolutely right. My bad.
I could use more sleep.

 

[John A]

Unless something drastically changes, I won't be on the sweat today. Next week for sure, but you guys should still meet up and sweat each other. Use the skype group chat we have in there.

 

[or3o1990]

Who will be around for the sweat today?

 

[fortopyan]

:argh: continuous analysis .... do not forget the spirit of the game !!!!

 

[grandizer]

hello. how can i entry to poker group

 

[or3o1990]

hello. how can i entry to poker group

There are many many steps in order to be initiated. They will be released to you as you complete them.

The first step is you must sacrifice a small goat and drink it's blood while we watch on skype.

 

[rhombus]

There are many many steps in order to be initiated. They will be released to you as you complete them.

The first step is you must sacrifice a small goat and drink it's blood while we watch on skype.

or if you are vegan maybe post a few hands and contribute to the thread till people know you better

 

[John A]

There are many many steps in order to be initiated. They will be released to you as you complete them.

The first step is you must sacrifice a small goat and drink it's blood while we watch on skype.

You forgot the most important part about sending a bottle of Tequila to all group members.

It's really hard, just join the group here and participate. Read the book, hold hands across the globe for world peace, and offer no theories on making a murderer - and you're in.

 

[or3o1990]

Idk guys, I think it's time to raise the bar lol jk. You're as in the group as you want to be grindizer. Give Polished Poker a read and post some hands you've played if you'd like

 

[John A]

So we started to throw this topic out there but not sure we got a consensus. What topic do you guys want to explore and go into next?

OOP 3-bet pots? I'm open.

 

[or3o1990]

that sounds good

 

[No Brainer]

Yep OOP 3 bet pots, I generally avoid them like the plague. Let's go

 

[or3o1990]

A couple aspects of oop 3b pots that often leave me scratching my head are how often to flat in order to not be exploited and how often to float the flop when we miss with big aces.

 

[rhombus]

So we started to throw this topic out there but not sure we got a consensus. What topic do you guys want to explore and go into next?

OOP 3-bet pots? I'm open.

count me in

are we talking as the raiser, caller or both

I tend to 3Bet alot from the blinds when a late position tries to steal, dont know why just think im addicted cos when they call Im like ???????? on the flop

 

[Aces2w1n]

Yeh im addicted to squeezing with AJ lol

 

[John A]

A couple aspects of oop 3b pots that often leave me scratching my head are how often to flat in order to not be exploited and how often to float the flop when we miss with big aces.

I think at 100nl and below, you really shouldn't float OOP in 3-bet pots almost ever with whiffed hands. Just bet. If stacks are a little deeper, and you know your opponent, and the board has something that makes sense to do so w/ say AK/AQ type hands, then c/c a bet, but I'd bet a lot of turns. I think it's really really tough to justify a balancing range by calling down with A high in 3-bet pots. 200nl+, there can be some spots that will make sense, but below that I'd just keep it simple for the most part.

But we can talk specially about some whiffed boards OOP, and how to address them vs different opponents and what their ranges will look like. We should probably start there imho since that's the most difficult spot.

 

[No Brainer]

How about this,

1 - villain is 22/0 after 40 hands with 11% agg.
2 - villain is 30/24 after 100 hands with 38% agg.

What's the plan for the flop and for the rest of the hand?

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.37 (103.7 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb)
BTN: $10.47 (104.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

A

MP folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($3) 5

J

2

(2 players)
Hero

 

[or3o1990]

I think at 100nl and below, you really shouldn't float OOP in 3-bet pots almost ever with whiffed hands. Just bet. If stacks are a little deeper, and you know your opponent, and the board has something that makes sense to do so w/ say AK/AQ type hands, then c/c a bet, but I'd bet a lot of turns. I think it's really really tough to justify a balancing range by calling down with A high in 3-bet pots. 200nl+, there can be some spots that will make sense, but below that I'd just keep it simple for the most part.

But we can talk specially about some whiffed boards OOP, and how to address them vs different opponents and what their ranges will look like. We should probably start there imho since that's the most difficult spot.

Interesting. Maybe I'm leveling myself again then . Sounds like a plan!

 

[Aces2w1n]

Def got my attention... so your saying we treat ak as if we have kk and aa
Its like out bluff hand??

 

[MinhANguyen]

How about this,

1 - villain is 22/0 after 40 hands with 11% agg.
2 - villain is 30/24 after 100 hands with 38% agg.

What's the plan for the flop and for the rest of the hand?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.37 (103.7 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb)
BTN: $10.47 (104.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

A

MP folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($3) 5

J

2

(2 players)
Hero

Check-fold. His calling/floating range is going to be pretty wide on a monotone board. Any decent pocket pair with a club, any decent pair with a club, top pair, QQ, JJ, A club, sets, made flushes. We don't have anything going for us here so it's just best to let it go. Even if we catch an A/K, they offer us reverse implied odds against made flushes/sets. And A/K clubs might not be clean outs, and we might get bluffed off them anyway if we cap our range.

 

[TimovieMan]

I agree with Minh, that board is just check/fold for me too.

 

[or3o1990]

Even if we are ahead with AKh it's going to be too hard to get to showdown. c/f is fine imo. Sometimes I'll bet these in position though.

 

[John A]

How about this,

1 - villain is 22/0 after 40 hands with 11% agg.
2 - villain is 30/24 after 100 hands with 38% agg.

What's the plan for the flop and for the rest of the hand?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.37 (103.7 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $10.10 (101 bb)
BTN: $10.47 (104.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

A

MP folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($3) 5

J

2

(2 players)
Hero

Cool, thanks for the example. So monotone board where hero gets no piece and no real back door draws. So this is very player dependent and this is how I look at it. I'll fire a c-bet at this board when:

1) My opponent is pretty loose pre-flop. I know his range will be wide enough at that point that I can push him off a good amount of his whiffs as well. He'll also have more SC's than other opponents, and only 1/4th of those will have hit hard. The others he'll be folding on this texture.
2) My opponent just folds a lot in re-raised pots on the flop. This should be pretty straight forward on why, but you just want to make sure you really have a good sample before you're firing here.

And I won't fire against tight opponents, or really loose opponents that can't fold post flop. The tight players will have something much more often on these boards, and the looser more aggressive players will also float and bluff at a higher frequency.

So If it bet, I'm betting 1/2 pot or slightly less. The reality is against someone, if I'm reading this hand correct, like BTN, Hero will have around 35% equity in this hand, so we don't want to just abandon that money there. We want to force our opponent to fold his weak mid pairs w/ no club, which will be heavy in his range, and probably some of his SC's based on the kind of opponent he is.

But the bottom line in these spots is I'd keep it simple at these stakes. Just fire once, don't try and rep a flush if a 4th one comes unless you get a turn check and you get one of those bubbly feelings in your tum tum that you can push your opponent off his hand. lol Otherwise, just fire and give up or check / fold against your other opponents.

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: Jc 5c 2c

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
34.221% 28.5884% 5.6326% [ AhKh ]
65.779% 60.1465% 5.6326% [ AJs+(100), AQo+(100), KK(100), 55-JJ(100), KQs(100), T9s(100), JTs(100), 98s(100), 87s(100) ]

Tighter opponent:

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: Jc 5c 2c

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
28.5275% 22.437% 6.0905% [ AhKh ]
71.4725% 65.382% 6.0905% [ AJs+(100), AQo+(100), 55-KK(100), JTs(100) ]

 

[Figaroo2]

turn decision, multiway

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $25.96 (129.8 bb)
BB: $19.10 (95.5 bb) - VPIP: 37, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 30
MP1: $21.66 (108.3 bb) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 124
Hero (MP2): $45.34 (226.7 bb)
MP3: $12.60 (63 bb)
CO: $12.26 (61.3 bb)
BTN: $20 (100 bb) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.2, Hands: 469

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

Q

MP1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.72, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.72, SB folds, BB calls $0.52, MP1 calls $0.52

Flop: ($2.98) 6

7

A

(4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.49, BTN calls $1.49, BB calls $1.49, MP1 folds

Turn: ($7.45) T

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50,
Hero ?

Should I have just kept betting the turn or do we call and reevaluate or even fold?
Pot is $14.45. 89 just got there but there are lots of draws and aces as well.
Its these sort of loose ranges multiway where, at the table in real time, I struggle to know what my equity is and hence don't really know what to do.

Edit...Yeah looking at the equity calc against their likely ranges I'm likely at least 60% on the flop so should probably be betting the turn

 

[or3o1990]

As played I'm ok with letting it go. But I think betting the turn is best. I probably c/c most rivers depending on sizing.