Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[Yoshiaki]

His opponents range is much much much wider than that. He's already splashing around, and his 3-bet is large from the blinds, which usually is a weak hand at these stakes. It's more like this and even wider:

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Board: 6d 9s 2s Qc

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
55.264% 54.8964% 0.3676% [ ThTs ]
44.736% 44.3683% 0.3676% [ 99+(100), T9o(100), T9s(100), A9s(100), A9o(100), A6s(100), AQo+(100), AQs+(100), KQo(100), KQs(100), KsJs(100), KsTs(100), AsJs(100), QJs(100), As7s(100), As8s(100), As5s(100), 87s(100), 86o+(100), 98s(100), J9s+(100), J9o(100) ]

Hi John, i know his 3betting range from the blinds is wide vs Btn , but i dont think people are 2 barreling with the part of the range that didnt connect, thats why i made that tighter range that makes sense of barreling turn in a 3bet pot OOP.

 

[John A]

Hi John, i know his 3betting range from the blinds is wide vs Btn , but i dont think people are 2 barreling with the part of the range that didnt connect, thats why i made that tighter range that makes sense of barreling turn in a 3bet pot OOP.

Yeah, I understood why you put that range, and my point is he could very well be splashy based on his initial stats, and the fact he 3-bet large. There's now a scare card on the turn, so the range you have there is even tight for tight players.

 

[Yoshiaki]

Im posting more 3bet pots bluffs because im currently working hard on them, also im abusing the fact of my stats against regs ( i wasnt bluffing enough on 3bet pots)

Party, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $58.98 (118 bb)
BB: $73.52 (147 bb)
UTG: $53.85 (107.7 bb)
MP: $89.35 (178.7 bb)
CO: $47.48 (95 bb)
Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5h Ah
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $4.25, 2 folds, MP calls $3
Villain stats VPIP: 33, PFR: 27, 3B: 14, AF: 2.8, hands: 449

Flop: ($9.25) 5c Tc 4s (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

Turn: ($19.25) Jc (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $11.50, MP calls $11.50

River: ($42.25) 9h (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $29.25 and is all-in, MP folds

Results: $42.25 pot ($2.11 rake)
Final Board: 5c Tc 4s Jc 9h
MP mucked and lost (-$20.75 net)
Hero mucked 5h Ah and won $40.14 ($19.39 net)

This hand is very interesting because im uncapped and i think villian is good enough to fold TPTK, and even some 2 pair.


Party, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $32.86 (65.7 bb)
BB: $53.11 (106.2 bb)
UTG: $68.04 (136.1 bb)
MP: $57.40 (114.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $92.53 (185.1 bb)
BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7c 6c
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Villain stats ( BTN) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 19, 3B: 6, AF: 3.8, Hands: 545

Flop: ($6) Qc Ac 8d (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($13) 2s (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50

River: ($28) 7s (2 players)
Hero bets $17.50, BTN folds

Results: $28 pot ($1.40 rake)
Final Board: Qc Ac 8d 2s 7s
Hero mucked 7c 6c and won $26.60 ($14.10 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$12.50 net)

I really like this spot vs a decent reg because of the fact that i dont have many bluffs in my range to be honest, he is not in 2p or set, because he 'd be raising 4way. The thing is , i do have some 88,QQ, AA and AQ on my range that wil bet/bet/bet .

 

[John A]

Alright, so what do we want to work on this next week? What topics specifically should we explore from the e-book or otherwise? I'm open right now.

Also, who is planning to be on the sweat tomorrow?

 

[John A]

Im posting more 3bet pots bluffs because im currently working hard on them, also im abusing the fact of my stats against regs ( i wasnt bluffing enough on 3bet pots)

Party, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $58.98 (118 bb)
BB: $73.52 (147 bb)
UTG: $53.85 (107.7 bb)
MP: $89.35 (178.7 bb)
CO: $47.48 (95 bb)
Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5h Ah
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $4.25, 2 folds, MP calls $3
Villain stats VPIP: 33, PFR: 27, 3B: 14, AF: 2.8, Hands: 449

Flop: ($9.25) 5c Tc 4s (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

Turn: ($19.25) Jc (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $11.50, MP calls $11.50

River: ($42.25) 9h (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $29.25 and is all-in, MP folds

Results: $42.25 pot ($2.11 rake)
Final Board: 5c Tc 4s Jc 9h
MP mucked and lost (-$20.75 net)
Hero mucked 5h Ah and won $40.14 ($19.39 net)

I like the bet sizing if your plan was jamming most rivers by the turn. Overall it's marginally +EV assuming you have been really aggro against this kind of opponents. Because in general these kinds of lags will find reason to hero call. Your hard selling the flush more than anything, which has decent believability (my word) considering your 3-bet position. I don't think it's someone or a spot / situation you should overly target. That's the tough thing about evaluating some bluffs like this. The difference in +/- is close and little details can tip the scales one way or another (ie, how active you've been recently, history ,etc..).

This hand is very interesting because im uncapped and i think villian is good enough to fold TPTK, and even some 2 pair.


Party, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $32.86 (65.7 bb)
BB: $53.11 (106.2 bb)
UTG: $68.04 (136.1 bb)
MP: $57.40 (114.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $92.53 (185.1 bb)
BTN: $50.50 (101 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7c 6c
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Villain stats ( BTN) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 19, 3B: 6, AF: 3.8, Hands: 545

Flop: ($6) Qc Ac 8d (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Turn: ($13) 2s (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50

River: ($28) 7s (2 players)
Hero bets $17.50, BTN folds

Results: $28 pot ($1.40 rake)
Final Board: Qc Ac 8d 2s 7s
Hero mucked 7c 6c and won $26.60 ($14.10 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$12.50 net)

I really like this spot vs a decent reg because of the fact that i dont have many bluffs in my range to be honest, he is not in 2p or set, because he 'd be raising 4way. The thing is , i do have some 88,QQ, AA and AQ on my range that wil bet/bet/bet .

This bluff is infinitely better, but because it was so MW the sizing is tricky. So I'd prefer a little more on the end to bluff profitably long term, so because of that the effectiveness drops a bit here. You don't need it to work as often, but if he's not folding the turn there, he shouldn't be folding a river for that size. So probably at these stakes you can get away w/ it against some of the so-so and bad regs.

 

[or3o1990]

Alright, so what do we want to work on this next week? What topics specifically should we explore from the e-book or otherwise? I'm open right now.

Also, who is planning to be on the sweat tomorrow?

I'll be around tomorrow. I've been meaning to work on counting combinations. It's something I've never practiced. Also, I think aggression would be a good topic. Specifically check raising and donk leading.

 

[Figaroo2]

Alright, so what do we want to work on this next week? What topics specifically should we explore from the e-book or otherwise? I'm open right now.
Also, who is planning to be on the sweat tomorrow?

Just finished a 15 hour day at work and it's the wife's birthday tomorrow so just checking in briefly but won't be around tomorrow.

I'd like to look specifically at the river, what sort of % should we be betting over a good sample?
What should our river call win % be around?
I like the look of what Yoshi is doing, I need to do this more, I hardly ever bluff or raise the river as a bluff... What is the best sizing for river bluffs?
I feel like 75% is about right looks like value and seems to work best for me but what about overbet shoves (like I never do this)
Duggs picked up on this in a sweat with me, he's like don't you ever bluff on the end!!??
I'm doing it on the flop and turn just not on the end. I should be able to do this better, I feel like my hand reading is good enough its just pushing out of my comfort zone that's required.
Perhaps we can experiment with this in a sweat one week?

 

[Figaroo2]

River

Added filter "River action was Raise" to last months 44,000 hands and only 33 raises on the river of which only 3 were bluffs but only at low stakes one of which got picked off.
Any ideas for filtering hand strength to river bets to identify when we are firing first as a bluff?

 

[John A]

Has anybody come across anybody with extreme stats, yesterday a shortstacking fish was playing every pot then alot of the time min donking most pots and calling sometimes when raised.

His aggression was over 50 but gradually came down, made me have a thought if someone is trying to figure out your aggression factor is it worth donk betting min alot probably a -EV to gain a +EV situation later if oppoents think you are really aggressive. Below are his stats and one of the typical hands he played

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $3.29 (32.9 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.10 (51 bb)
MP: $10.32 (103.2 bb)
CO: $10.84 (108.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10.77 (107.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

9

UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.20, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.05) 7

2

3

(3 players)
UTG bets $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($1.35) J

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.70, UTG calls $0.70, MP folds

River: ($2.75) 5

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.40, UTG calls $1.30

Results: $5.55 pot ($0.25 rake)
Final Board: 7

2

3

J

5

UTG showed 2

2

and won $5.30 ($2.80 net)
Hero showed A

9

and lost (-$2.50 net)

Yes, of course. I'd assume most people have faced these kinds of guys before. But no, I wouldn't try and min bet to drive up your aggression as a strategy. You can play around with min betting if you want, but I don't think you'll find it very effective. You want to make sure you're folding out 7x and mid pairs. So something like $2 is a bit more effective.

Any ways, to the hand, bet more, and if you're going to bluff, which is fine here, you need to raise more

 

[No Brainer]

What time/day do you guys do these sweats? I'm in Aussie so it is likely a bad time for me but will see if I can make it. Is it just over skype?

 

[or3o1990]

Yeah it's via skype. Usually 4:00pm pacific standard time. You can add me on skype if you'd like.

or3o1990

 

[rhombus]

Just finished a 15 hour day at work and it's the wife's birthday tomorrow so just checking in briefly but won't be around tomorrow.

I'd like to look specifically at the river, what sort of % should we be betting over a good sample?
What should our river call win % be around?
I like the look of what Yoshi is doing, I need to do this more, I hardly ever bluff or raise the river as a bluff... What is the best sizing for river bluffs?
I feel like 75% is about right looks like value and seems to work best for me but what about overbet shoves (like I never do this)
Duggs picked up on this in a sweat with me, he's like don't you ever bluff on the end!!??
I'm doing it on the flop and turn just not on the end. I should be able to do this better, I feel like my hand reading is good enough its just pushing out of my comfort zone that's required.
Perhaps we can experiment with this in a sweat one week?

Id like to do something simialr re bluffing on River, I do bluff but maybe at the wrong times and maybe wrong villains.

Not sure at times what to lok for in villains stats and sizing etc. Also picking off bluffs

I know the usual make sure your bet tells a story and call against aggros when most draws miss

 

[rhombus]

Just finished a 15 hour day at work and it's the wife's birthday tomorrow so just checking in briefly but won't be around tomorrow.

15 hours Geez what do you do?? are you one of those men of the night Gigolos

Im just a P/T 9-5

 

[or3o1990]

Call or fold?

Villain has an aggresion % of 50. He's folded 2/4 turns and bet 5/5 rivers.



iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 141.65 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 4.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
BB: 147.45 BB (VPIP: 39.29, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 104.14 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG+1: 65.48 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
MP: 92.9 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP+1: 66.98 BB (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 15.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 46)
CO: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): 122.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ T♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ Q♥ J♥
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

River: (30.5 BB, 2 players) 6♠
BB bets 20 BB, Hero?

 

[No Brainer]

Yeah it's via skype. Usually 4:00pm pacific standard time. You can add me on skype if you'd like.

or3o1990

Thanks mate, won't get there today but should be able to make it on the odd occasion.

 

[or3o1990]

Facing a min c/r is always fun. What do we do here?

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG+1: 45.3 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
MP: 28.8 BB (VPIP: 63.16, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP+1: 133.05 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
CO: 119.47 BB (VPIP: 32.56, PFR: 2.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
BTN: 21.85 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
SB: 51.08 BB (VPIP: 23.75, PFR: 3.75, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 81)
Hero (BB): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ J♠

UTG calls 1 BB, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 6 BB, fold

Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 5♣ T♥ 6♦
Hero bets 8 BB, UTG+1 raises to 16 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Turn: (48.5 BB, 2 players) K♦
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 22.3 BB, Hero?

Thanks mate, won't get there today but should be able to make it on the odd occasion.

Your welcome. Just so ya know me, Yoshiaki and Figaroo Skype quite regularly. Not just on Tuesdays. Sometimes we have sweats, other times we go through hand histories. My schedule is super flexible. So if you ever wanna hook up just shoot me a message.

 

[John A]

Added filter "River action was Raise" to last months 44,000 hands and only 33 raises on the river of which only 3 were bluffs but only at low stakes one of which got picked off.
Any ideas for filtering hand strength to river bets to identify when we are firing first as a bluff?

Yeah, you have to go to the hand value section and add only whiffed hands... Ace high, bottom pair etc... and then also in the action section add Bet.

 

[John A]

Yeah it's via skype. Usually 4:00pm pacific standard time. You can add me on skype if you'd like.

or3o1990

No.... 1:30pm PST.

 

[or3o1990]

No.... 1:30pm PST.

whoopsie! sorry about that. I mixed it up with my my local time.

 

[TimovieMan]

Call or fold?

I probably WTF-call.

Facing a min c/r is always fun. What do we do here?

I put him on 87 or AT and call him down.

 

[or3o1990]

I probably WTF-call.I put him on 87 or AT and call him down.

The first hand villain had a10 and was bluffing. The second hand he had k10 and got there.

 

[No Brainer]

No.... 1:30pm PST.

Ok, that makes it 8.30am Wednesday for me. Will all depend on what I have scheduled with work each week.

Thanks Or3o, I will try to recover my old Skype address and add you.

 

[vwls]

No.... 1:30pm PST.

What days?

 

[rhombus]

The first hand villain had a10 and was bluffing. The second hand he had k10 and got there.

Thats what I thought he had

Based on Aggro then call when brick hits river, if passive then maybe fold.

 

[rhombus]

What days?

Normally Tuesday's