Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

John A, do you review MTT hands as well?

Yes. We talk mostly about cash games here, but we all play MTT's as well.

 

[rhombus]

Sorry if I wasn't specific, I made an assumption I guess. I meant look at SC's in those spots - like 23s-98s and offsuited same. And then I'd just also do one from anything that's not a reasonable hand, so exclude all your typical hands KTs, A9s... Looking more at hands like K9s, Q8s, etc...

Ok Ill try and do one later so basically one that includes both 23s-98s and 23o-98o and then another fiilter for suited 3 gappers K9s down to 74s

 

[Figaroo2]

suited connectors

I don't win with suited connectors even when I include opening with them let alone from the blinds.
I guess I need to learn how to bluff more with these hands, but I think I need to bluff more generally anyway.
I can't see how to extract/filter both Action/Position and the hole cards at the same time in HM2
Here I ran the hole cards for last year (240,000 hands) and extracted the SC and then by position which achieves the same thing.
Spew Spew Barny Mcgrew, Cuthbert Dibble and Grub. (Rhom should get this)

 

[rhombus]

I'm thinking fold, call, call. The last one is close but It's probably a fold. QJ or Q10 of spades makes a lot of sense. It would be an ok spot for him to bluff but He probably has it.

I mostly agree
Hand 1 we know nothing about him this could easily be an overpair. We are check guessing again though, maybe we could min raise this turn? It crossed my mind to shove repping the flush, we've been calling with something. Fold or shove.
Hand 2 is a close one, 8 hands isn't much, we are probably good here a decent amount against his stats, I call.
hand 3, CALL we were calling to hit something or take it away from him so I don't fold when we do connect.
Hand 4. Sigh fold, no way he's leading without a Queen here after the strength we have shown.

Hand 1
I did hover over the fodl for a few seconds but did call. Then straight away asking myself what exactly could he be betting with, all the way. Alot more value than bluffs.
He had Kh3h for the flush

Hand 2
Im not good at this game, lol. My thinking if he is bluffing what can he have so folded. Hindsight If I had more hands then probably call as loose aggressive and I kind of played my hand faceup like an AQ or AK.
He could have alot of smaller pairs hoping to value bet my AQ, AK on flop or turn or maybe even have smaller Ace and trying to get me off AQ, AK

Hand 3
As mentioned we called on flop with bd outs and overs and once turn checked even though passive he only had a small range that I was beaten, AQ or maybe 55. DOnth think he had flush cos he checked turn when he picked up more equity.
he had KsQd (weird River Bet)

Hand 4
Hindsight think I should have folded as alot of queens in his range and my range has alot of Aces in it. I made a crying call he had 2s4s for gutshot and flush draw on flop, so apart from his initial call I think he played it well

 

[rhombus]

I don't win with suited connectors even when I include opening with them let alone from the blinds.
I guess I need to learn how to bluff more with these hands, but I think I need to bluff more generally anyway.
I can't see how to extract/filter both Action/Position and the hole cards at the same time in HM2
Here I ran the hole cards for last year (240,000 hands) and extracted the SC and then by position which achieves the same thing.
Spew Spew Barny Mcgrew, Cuthbert Dibble and Grub. (Rhom should get this)

Lol @ trumpton
To get the filter for action position and hole cards. I selected the Hole Cards 1st then clicked on basic filter and clicked + Next to position and Action, you can also choose villains action/s there.
Heres my 23-98 suited and offsuit from blinds when a single raise or raise and caller has happened
and K9s, K8s, Q9s, Q8s, J8s, J7s, T7s, T6s, 96s, 95s, 85s, 84s

 

[No Brainer]

Lol @ trumpton
To get the filter for action position and hole cards. I selected the Hole Cards 1st then clicked on basic filter and clicked + Next to position and Action, you can also choose villains action/s there.
Heres my 23-98 suited and offsuit from blinds when a single raise or raise and caller has happened
and K9s, K8s, Q9s, Q8s, J8s, J7s, T7s, T6s, 96s, 95s, 85s, 84s

You may want to add 'Saw Flop' to this, as it will be counting all the times you folded your raggy offsuit connectors and lost your blinds. Even with saw flop checked i am still running at -110bb/100 so pretty major leak I guess.

I have just been looking into some filters to see if I can stop calling with one pair hands when facing aggression. I tried filtering for a few different things but the one I found to be the clearest was as follows.

Saw Showdown = True
Hand Value = Overpair, TPTK or TPGK on the flop turn or river
Other advanced filters - Allin Preflop = false

Final Pot size in bbs is less than 50 526bb/100 65%W$SD 406 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is between 50 and 100bbs 589bb/100 57%W$SD 525 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is between 100 and 150bbs 68bb/100 50%W$SD 268 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is between 150 and 200bbs -334bb/100 48%W$SD 150 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is greater than 200bbs -1031bb/100 43%W$SD 251 hands
Total sample size 290k hands

This kinda shows just how bad it is to play big pots with one pair hands post flop. Would be interested to see if others have similar results

 

[rhombus]

You may want to add 'Saw Flop' to this, as it will be counting all the times you folded your raggy offsuit connectors and lost your blinds. Even with saw flop checked I am still running at -110bb/100 so pretty major leak I guess.

Thanks forgot about that. Alot smaller sample, maybe at 1c/2c it might be a good idea lol.

 

[rhombus]

I have just been looking into some filters to see if I can stop calling with one pair hands when facing aggression. I tried filtering for a few different things but the one I found to be the clearest was as follows.

Saw Showdown = True
Hand Value = Overpair, TPTK or TPGK on the flop turn or river
Other advanced filters - Allin Preflop = false

Final Pot size in bbs is less than 50 526bb/100 65%W$SD 406 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is between 50 and 100bbs 589bb/100 57%W$SD 525 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is between 100 and 150bbs 68bb/100 50%W$SD 268 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is between 150 and 200bbs -334bb/100 48%W$SD 150 hands
Final Pot size in bbs is greater than 200bbs -1031bb/100 43%W$SD 251 hands
Total sample size 290k hands

This kinda shows just how bad it is to play big pots with one pair hands post flop. Would be interested to see if others have similar results

Ive done :
Saw Showdown = True
Hand Value = Overpair, TPTK or TPGK on the flop turn or river
Other advanced filters - Allin Preflop = false

Sorry but new to all this filtering stuff Where do I add facing aggression and then filter by Pot size.

This is what I have so far but without the facing aggression

 

[No Brainer]

Ahh yeh sorry I didn't end up putting facing aggression in as that filters to fairly specific situations which are quite hard to compare. Instead I just had the same as you have and then filter by final pot size which is under other advanced filters - Other - Final Pot size in bbs is... pick greater than, less than etc from the dropdown box, add your numbers then hit the green +. Pic below.

This gives us a good idea of how these hands play as the pots get larger. Just think that most pots that end up over 100bbs will generally have a raise in there somewhere unless they are multiway for multiple streets which again, these hands won't do so well in against decent opponents.

 

[rhombus]

Ahh yeh sorry I didn't end up putting facing aggression in as that filters to fairly specific situations which are quite hard to compare. Instead I just had the same as you have and then filter by final pot size which is under other advanced filters - Other - Final Pot size in bbs is... pick greater than, less than etc from the dropdown box, add your numbers then hit the green +. Pic below.

This gives us a good idea of how these hands play as the pots get larger. Just think that most pots that end up over 100bbs will generally have a raise in there somewhere unless they are multiway for multiple streets which again, these hands won't do so well in against decent opponents.

OK thanks.
Yup mine is similar over 200bbs big dip although not as many hands as yours.
Weird thing for me was 100 - 150 was bad but 150 - 200 seemed ok

Total Hands 124K
Total Hands for Filter 644 not including bbs breakdown

 

[John A]

Lol @ trumpton
To get the filter for action position and hole cards. I selected the Hole Cards 1st then clicked on basic filter and clicked + Next to position and Action, you can also choose villains action/s there.
Heres my 23-98 suited and offsuit from blinds when a single raise or raise and caller has happened
and K9s, K8s, Q9s, Q8s, J8s, J7s, T7s, T6s, 96s, 95s, 85s, 84s

That's pretty decent, although I'd just isolate SB and BB, and then remove that the opener is from SB. But yeah, very few people lose less than -75bb/100 merged.

 

[John A]

Daily QUIZ and your quizmaster/donkey/fish is rhombus
4 hands - Fold or Call on River

What happened to the suits in these hand?

 

[No Brainer]

What happened to the suits in these hand?

They're all there, must be something on your end?

 

[John A]

Just thought I'd ask for some feedback / comments here. New leak buster site:

http://pokerleakbuster.com/

 

[John A]

They're all there, must be something on your end?

Strange... I cleared by browser cache, still nothing. Ya, hands by you guys on here aren't showing up with suits for me. In the cash game thread it's fine though.

 

[John A]

Daily QUIZ and your quizmaster/donkey/fish is rhombus
4 hands - Fold or Call on River

Hand1 - I know I could have 3bet Pre or even raised especially turn!!
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players


SB: $15.04 (150.4 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $13.50 (135 bb)
MP: $32.63 (326.3 bb)
CO: $13.45 (134.5 bb) Only 1 hand 100/100 Ag100%
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

8

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 6

9

7

(2 players)
CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 2

(2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($3.75) 2

(2 players)
CO bets $2, Hero ???

So this hand here, suits are showing up for everyone?

 

[John A]

John, it's actually great you bring this point up. I actually ran into this spot playing live at my local casino 1/2/2 5 to call. I was dealt 54hh in the BB. UTG limps 5, but there was a FISH in the SB who opened to 15. I call, utg completes. I felt this was a great spot to call my suited hand as the effective stacks were around $250(125bb) and the fact that I act after the fish every betting round. My image is just a positionally aware TAG, but i guarantee you all, most people don't even notice.

Flop($45) 489hh
Fish leads 25
I call 25
UTG folds.

Turn($85) Tx
Fish leads $35
I flat $35

River($155) Kx
Fish checks
And here I was wondering if I should raise for a bluff or just give up.. Thoughts?

Maybe if limper isn't in there, I'd call the fish open. Any ways, as played, fold the flop. If he's leading on that board into 2 people, your chance of winning that hand is pretty slim. You're not loving a lot of turns and rivers. You're in a sandwiched position, and this is part of why you fold when you don't have relative or absolute position in a hand w/ these kinds of starting hands pre-flop. It has to be a really good flop for you to get money in there. This isn't one of them. In fact, it's horrible to continue on vs a fish and someone's limp/call range.

If you're calling that turn, then I hope you were planning on bluffing the river. But it's not a good board to bluff on. You can expect to get looked up lighter on these kinds of textures, even by fish. So personally I wouldn't be turning this kind of hand, on this kind of texture into a bluff vs. a fish. I don't think that's long term +EV.

 

[rhombus]

So this hand here, suits are showing up for everyone?

same here no suits and no attached images.

Same happened last week on here where I couldnt see any thing. Seemed to clear up later

Tried on both Firefox and Chrome no pictures on either

 

[rhombus]

Just thought I'd ask for some feedback / comments here. New leak buster site:

http://pokerleakbuster.com/

Very nice, looks very professional especially the Poker Software Tab. Did you overspend your marketing budget

I might even be tempted to buy it if I didnt already own it

1 small nit pick, on the other tabs Buy, Videos, FAQ and Contact Us Pages the below text takes most of the screen up. Some people may miss all the stuff they are looking for unless they have a tab open as maximised as they have to scroll down.

As it is already on the Poker Software Tab, it could be taken off the other tabs or made smaller

• Find your poker leaks with our poker analysis software in minutes
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• Average of 10-25 significant leaks found
• Scoring algorithm that weighs the significance of your poker statistics
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• Correct your leaks by watching tutorial videos and read modules
• Over 50 Advanced filters included (50+ videos on leaks)
• Works with your Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker database

 

[No Brainer]

All suits showing for me, even on mobile. Website looks good on mobile but I agree with Rhombus, the dot points at the top and the pricing at the bottom of each page is a little annoying. Could just be on one or two pages.

 

[or3o1990]

Just thought I'd ask for some feedback / comments here. New leak buster site:

http://pokerleakbuster.com/

It's nice. It's very well put together and has all of the information anyone could ever need. You and your people did an excellent job.

 

[John A]

same here no suits and no attached images.

Same happened last week on here where I couldnt see any thing. Seemed to clear up later

Tried on both Firefox and Chrome no pictures on either

Odd... I cleared my cache and everything. How are you exporting the data when you post hands?

 

[John A]

It's nice. It's very well put together and has all of the information anyone could ever need. You and your people did an excellent job.

Ok, cool. Thanks for the feedback everyone! And yes, I agree with you on some of the pages Rhombus.

 

[rhombus]

Odd... I cleared my cache and everything. How are you exporting the data when you post hands?

I still cant see suits on alot of the posts.


I just right click the hand then click on view and select Cardschat Format

 

[rhombus]

Think Ive forgot how to play for the last few days, 1/2 the time havent got a clue what to do. Didn't think it was possible to have all your lines below zero lol