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Although we lost a little overall I'm very happy with the stats on the 6max 25nl tables. We folded to a lot of three bets but they were all to guys with value only 3bet stats.

Personally I think the JJ hand was a fold, I know the guy was a fish but from his flop donk lead out, our raise and his shove, it looked obvious to me he had a queen and that he was value shoving, we called off too much there with 2nd pair and it was our biggest mistake of the session. If he had just shoved on the flop than maybe a call but not after we raise his donk and then he shoves.

The second mistake was calling the min raise on the river in this hand but considering the board and he could have a strong 2 pair we thought we had to.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash,
Hero MP $28.93 (115.7 bb)
CO: $18.70 (74.8 bb) BIG STINKING TUNA FISH:)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7
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7
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3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 7
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J
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A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Turn: ($3.85) 4
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(2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

River: ($9.85) 9
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(2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $5

Results: $29.85 pot ($1.34 rake)
Final Board: 7
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J
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A
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4
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9
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Hero mucked 7
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7
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and lost (-$14.75 net)
CO showed 8
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4
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and won $28.51 ($13.76 net)

I didn't see the 77 hand so can't really comment. I think the call is ok though from the HH.

But the JJ hand wasn't a mistake. Why don't you post it so we can discuss it. I think it's indicative of a lot of other hands I've heard you second guess the decisions about when the results aren't what we want. We don't want to get results oriented correct? Post it up. I can see it in your results screenshot there. Remember, on the flop I said we're raising, and not folding to a shove. I'm not sure if you heard this or what because I was surprised than when he shoved you said you wanted to fold. He was a short stacked fish.
 
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To your question, just call. I mean you can't push him off a better hand. There are only draw combos that you'd be ahead of if you raised. To put it blunty, there's no value in raising. You have a good hand that is likely ahead of his range, but not strong enough to raise, and doesn't make sense to turn into a bluff.



With agg that low I'm more inclined to raise here for value again and also just to take control of the hand. They'll likely check the river and not lead again if you're raised twice, and if they do lead you can probably fold safely. If he 3-bets the flop, you fold. You're deep enough that his range is still going to be too wide, and there's plenty of value to be had, but you don't want to stack off.

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OOPs didnt follow your advice, when they raised 0.52 I raised to 1.30 they reraised and i got it in as 40/60 but hit the 9 on river

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You said With agg that low I'm more inclined to raise here for value again and also just to take control of the hand.

If I raised Id be putting in at least 1.80 and only 1.25 left ???

Again did what you said not to do. Although when they donked 90c the pot was 2.57 and I only had 3.05 left so shovced and they had hit 666 on the Turn.
 

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poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

SB: $25.11 (100.4 bb)
BB: $10.98 (43.9 bb) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
MP: $33.09 (132.4 bb)
CO: $22.78 (91.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J
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J
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 5
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6
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Q
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB raises to $10.23 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.98

Turn: ($22.06) K
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($22.06) 6
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $22.06 pot ($0.99 rake)
Final Board: 5
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6
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Q
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K
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6
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BB showed Q
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2
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and won $21.07 ($10.09 net)
Hero mucked J
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J
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and lost (-$10.98 net)

Actually looking at his stats we don't have that many hands and he's passive in the previous hands.
It's a pretty aggressive overshove for a so far passive fish.
My normal play would be to call the donk lead here looking for a cheap showdown. If we are behind we are way behind.
 
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

SB: $25.11 (100.4 bb)
BB: $10.98 (43.9 bb) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
MP: $33.09 (132.4 bb)
CO: $22.78 (91.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J
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J
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 5
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6
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Q
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB raises to $10.23 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.98

Turn: ($22.06) K
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($22.06) 6
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $22.06 pot ($0.99 rake)
Final Board: 5
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6
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Q
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K
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6
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BB showed Q
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2
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and won $21.07 ($10.09 net)
Hero mucked J
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J
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and lost (-$10.98 net)

Actually looking at his stats we don't have that many hands and he's passive in the previous hands.
It's a pretty aggressive overshove for a so far passive fish.
My normal play would be to call the donk lead here looking for a cheap showdown.
weak bet on flop indicative of weak hand/draw.

Dont mind Raise on flop but as you mentioned he's passive so fold to shove. Other option call and maybe min raise if he puts in another weakish bet on turn if heart doesnt appear
 
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Hand1
OOPs didnt follow your advice, when they raised 0.52 I raised to 1.30 they reraised and i got it in as 40/60 but hit the 9 on river

Well, as long as you sucked out, that's all that matters. ;)

Hand2
You said With agg that low I'm more inclined to raise here for value again and also just to take control of the hand.

If I raised Id be putting in at least 1.80 and only 1.25 left ???

Again did what you said not to do. Although when they donked 90c the pot was 2.57 and I only had 3.05 left so shovced and they had hit 666 on the Turn.

Yeah, I saw the larger stacks but didn't see the .01/.02 for some reason. Yeah, so calling is just fine. Stacks are too awkward. If the guy bets the river again we can be assured he's doing it for value, so it's just a matter of going over what worse hands he thinks would be value. If the river bricks, it would really only be JJ. AT/KT and his aggression, honestly hard for me to say at those limits if he's going to over value that or not.
 
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

SB: $25.11 (100.4 bb)
BB: $10.98 (43.9 bb) - VPIP: 38, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
MP: $33.09 (132.4 bb)
CO: $22.78 (91.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J
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J
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 5
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6
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Q
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB raises to $10.23 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.98

Turn: ($22.06) K
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($22.06) 6
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $22.06 pot ($0.99 rake)
Final Board: 5
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6
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Q
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K
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6
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BB showed Q
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2
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and won $21.07 ($10.09 net)
Hero mucked J
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J
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and lost (-$10.98 net)

Actually looking at his stats we don't have that many hands and he's passive in the previous hands.
It's a pretty aggressive overshove for a so far passive fish.
My normal play would be to call the donk lead here looking for a cheap showdown. If we are behind we are way behind.

We don't know if he's passive. There's no way I'd make any kind of decision on his aggression. What my decision would be based on is that he's a short stacked fish, and short stacked fish will bet/shove any 6x, any draw 78/heart draw, and many worse pairs (77-TT) as well as Qx+. I'd bet my entire poker bankroll on that fact. What hands in that range do you think he'd not donk bet and shove to a raise starting the hand w/ only 44bbs? The guy showed up w/ Q2o.
 
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Not including any pure bluffs it's closer than I thought. I thought it would be more like 60/40 you, but it's closer to 50/50 (if I put in more draws), which like I said, once you raise you can't fold obviously.

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: 5h 6c Qh

equity Win Tie Hand Range
47.0023% 46.7804% 0.222% [ JcJd ]
52.9977% 52.7757% 0.222% [ 55-JJ(100), AQs(100), AQo(100), KQo(100), KQs(100), Q6s+(100), Q9o+(100), 86s+(100), 86o+(100), 96o(100), 96s(100), A6s(100), A6o(100), K5s-K6s(100), AhJh(100), AhTh(100), Ah9h(100), Ah8h(100), JhTh(100), Th9h(100), KhJh(100), KhTh(100), Ah7h(100), 9h8h(100), Kh9h(100), Kh8h(100), Jh9h(100), Jh8h(100), 65s(100), K6o(100), Ah4h(100), Ah3h(100), Ah2h(100), 76o(100), 76s(100), Th8h(100), Kh7h(100), AA(100), Jh7h(100), Th7h(100), Jh6h(100), Q2o(100), 9h7h(100), T6s(100) ]
 
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Not including any pure bluffs it's closer than I thought. I thought it would be more like 60/40 you, but it's closer to 50/50 (if I put in more draws), which like I said, once you raise you can't fold obviously.

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: 5h 6c Qh

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
47.0023% 46.7804% 0.222% [ JcJd ]
52.9977% 52.7757% 0.222% [ 55-JJ(100), AQs(100), AQo(100), KQo(100), KQs(100), Q6s+(100), Q9o+(100), 86s+(100), 86o+(100), 96o(100), 96s(100), A6s(100), A6o(100), K5s-K6s(100), AhJh(100), AhTh(100), Ah9h(100), Ah8h(100), JhTh(100), Th9h(100), KhJh(100), KhTh(100), Ah7h(100), 9h8h(100), Kh9h(100), Kh8h(100), Jh9h(100), Jh8h(100), 65s(100), K6o(100), Ah4h(100), Ah3h(100), Ah2h(100), 76o(100), 76s(100), Th8h(100), Kh7h(100), AA(100), Jh7h(100), Th7h(100), Jh6h(100), Q2o(100), 9h7h(100), T6s(100) ]

After doing these equity calculations are you still a fan of the flop raise? My way of thinking at the moment is that we have a hand with showdown value so lets get there as cheap as possible. When we raise here we obviously get priced in when he shoves if we think he has any draws in his range but we also get him to fold/call with draws a lot of the time which is a very big plus side.
 
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We don't know if he's passive. There's no way I'd make any kind of decision on his aggression. What my decision would be based on is that he's a short stacked fish, and short stacked fish will bet/shove any 6x, any draw 78/heart draw, and many worse pairs (77-TT) as well as Qx+. I'd bet my entire poker bankroll on that fact. What hands in that range do you think he'd not donk bet and shove to a raise starting the hand w/ only 44bbs? The guy showed up w/ Q2o.

I hear you man, fwiw I would expect him to do this with any flush or oesd draw plus his Qx and overs like AK. Fish often overvalue their draws and will gamble.
In my experience at these stakes they don't shove 2nd pair hands for 40bb. They will call you down with those hands but not shove over a raise. My gut told me we weren't getting it in good here and I have vowed to go with my gut reads, which are right more often than not. (Gladwells Blink)
 
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FOLDING TPTK with AK

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
BB: $8.28 (82.8 bb) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 47 (weak passive)
UTG+2: $10.14 (101.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $12.79 (127.9 bb)
MP2: $10.39 (103.9 bb)
MP3: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $9.25 (92.5 bb) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 3.1, Hands: 476
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font>
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 5<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font> (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, CO folds, BB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.85) 8<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.32, BB raises to $2.64, Hero calls $1.32

River: ($7.13) 3<font color='black'>♠</font> (2 players)
BB bets $3.40, Hero folds

I actually think as the villian is so weak and aggressive that we can actually just fold to the min check raise here. This is always a very strong hand from a player like this.

Hello! Hope everyone is doing well I've been studying my ass off lately and my head is whirling.

I'm not completely convinced this was a good fold dude. The way villain played this hand I'm thinking that he's probably drawing pretty heavy and when the 8 comes he's added more outs so possibility sitting with JTs, T9s or maybe a mid pair? The possibilities of them having AQ/KQ are pretty low and ya they could have 88 or QQ but why would they min raise with a set? They might with KQ but with you holding AK that makes this a pretty low possibility too. The slightly less than half pot bet on the river looks a little suspect. It's close but IMO this would be a call. With reads my opinion may change.

Had a shit session yesterday. The first hand I sat down with was beaten with Qset vs my Jset lol oh the humanity!!!! Ended down because I let that tilt me but recovered a bit so only down about 1.5 buy ins. GTO seems a lot different and ranges are Massive!
 
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To your question, just call. I mean you can't push him off a better hand. There are only draw combos that you'd be ahead of if you raised. To put it blunty, there's no value in raising. You have a good hand that is likely ahead of his range, but not strong enough to raise, and doesn't make sense to turn into a bluff

John can I ask what range you're putting villain on here? With the 7s on the turn this gives us about 32% equity plus we still have top pair mid kicker. Why wouldn't we raise in this spot then bluff the river if we miss?

Edit actually closer to 38% ya?
 
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After doing these equity calculations are you still a fan of the flop raise? My way of thinking at the moment is that we have a hand with showdown value so lets get there as cheap as possible. When we raise here we obviously get priced in when he shoves if we think he has any draws in his range but we also get him to fold/call with draws a lot of the time which is a very big plus side.

Correct, I'm still a fan. We're putting in his 3-bet shoving range. Not his donking range. It's going to be difficult to not get to showdown w/o getting it all in starting w/ only 44 bbs. So you'll get a wider calling range if you raise / call now.
 
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I hear you man, fwiw I would expect him to do this with any flush or oesd draw plus his Qx and overs like AK. Fish often overvalue their draws and will gamble.
In my experience at these stakes they don't shove 2nd pair hands for 40bb. They will call you down with those hands but not shove over a raise. My gut told me we weren't getting it in good here and I have vowed to go with my gut reads, which are right more often than not. (Gladwells Blink)

I could probably post you countless hands where I've been against short stacked fish that have shoved 2nd, 3rd and worse in these spots. It's actually quite common. Why? Because they're fish and they tend to think any pair is good, and why not gamble. And second because they don't have much to start with, so might as well just get it in now. I like the book Blink, and I think you should develop your gut instincts, but trust me when I say this is an extremely right on range for this spot.

Scroll up a couple of hands to my 82o hand. :) There's an example of a shortie shoving worse - nadda. But seriously, maybe you didn't hear me when I said raise, and call a shove. You obviously can't raise and fold there, even if we took out some 2nd pair hands (and I didn't include 3rd pair at all in that calc which I think we should have a few too).
 
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If anyone is on and wants a short sweat now, let me know.
 
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Ok so some times they shove 2nd pair

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $10.04 (100.4 bb)
BB: $16.89 (168.9 bb)
UTG+2: $11.84 (118.4 bb) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 71
MP1: $11.94 (119.4 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $5.17 (51.7 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10.61 (106.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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A
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UTG+2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35) K
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7
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6
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(3 players)
UTG+2 bets $11.44 and is all-in,:eek: MP3 folds, Hero calls $10.21:)

Turn: ($21.77) A
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($21.77) 2
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $21.77 pot ($0.98 rake)
Final Board: K
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7
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6
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A
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2
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UTG+2 showed 7
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5
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and won $0.00 (-$10.61 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$0.40 net)
Hero showed K
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A
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and won $20.79 ($10.18 net)

hehe, villian had been repping every flush draw. Not this time sunshine.
 
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John can I ask what range you're putting villain on here? With the 7s on the turn this gives us about 32% equity plus we still have top pair mid kicker. Why wouldn't we raise in this spot then bluff the river if we miss?

Edit actually closer to 38% ya?

Well, for one I don't see a raise size he could do that would leave an adequate river bluff size. And even if we did have that, how often do you have opponents at these limits fire 2 barrels and then fold on the an A high board at the river?

As far as equity, my best guess is he has around 45%, and maybe slightly higher. But not enough to warrant a raise for value or to setup a bluff = call in my book.
 
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Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $10.04 (100.4 bb)
BB: $16.89 (168.9 bb)
UTG+2: $11.84 (118.4 bb) - VPIP: 87, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 0.9, Hands: 71
MP1: $11.94 (119.4 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $5.17 (51.7 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10.61 (106.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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A
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UTG+2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.30, MP3 calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35) K
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7
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6
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(3 players)
UTG+2 bets $11.44 and is all-in,:eek: MP3 folds, Hero calls $10.21:)

Turn: ($21.77) A
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($21.77) 2
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(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $21.77 pot ($0.98 rake)
Final Board: K
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7
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6
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A
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2
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UTG+2 showed 7
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5
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and won $0.00 (-$10.61 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$0.40 net)
Hero showed K
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A
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and won $20.79 ($10.18 net)

hehe, villian had been repping every flush draw. Not this time sunshine.

Imagine that... a fish with low aggression open jamming second pair for FULL stack sizes (not even less than half). :)

Nh.
 
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I wasn't sure what to do against the serial limping fish here. I didn't want to bet because no worse calls and no better folds. So I was planning to check call once but then he made it so big I got stuck. I wanting to shove but I know that there are a lot of better aces in his limping range. So I mucked it, angrily.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 147.35 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 85.21 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
SB: 96.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 9.68, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 31)
MP: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 16.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 13.5 BB, fold

Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) 5 T A
Hero checks, BTN bets 28 BB, fold

BTN mucks

BTN wins 65.05 BB
 
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I got myself into a little trouble 3betting and squeezing rag aces a couple of times yesterday..
 
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I wasn't sure what to do against the serial limping fish here. I didn't want to bet because no worse calls and no better folds. So I was planning to check call once but then he made it so big I got stuck. I wanting to shove but I know that there are a lot of better aces in his limping range. So I mucked it, angrily.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players

BTN: 85.21 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
SB: 96.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A
fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 16.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 13.5 BB, fold
Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) 5 T A
Hero checks, BTN bets 28 BB, fold
BTN wins 65.05 BB

Well you tried to steal and got called so giving up is I think ok.
But by not betting the flop you aren't going to realise any of your equity and are opening his full bluffing range.
I think I'd fire once here.
 
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if he had a full stack I would have taken a stab but I felt like I'd be committing myself if I bet and he shoved. I guess because I was OOP i should have just bet half pot and folded. Because when we're in position against competent opponents this is a check, right?

he showed 56d lol. owned.
 
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if he had a full stack I would have taken a stab but I felt like I'd be committing myself if I bet and he shoved. I guess because I was OOP i should have just bet half pot and folded. Because when we're in position against competent opponents this is a check, right?
he showed 56d lol. owned.
That's exactly what I mean, if he has JJ (maybe even QQ KK if he never 3bets) he will probably call at least once and then probably be happy to check it down and we will win sometimes. There is a ton of pairs in the hands of weaker players with these 28/9 stats who won't fold to the squeeze.
Oh and I see John used your 54cc in the blinds hand in his blog... for what not to do....smack wrist.
 
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I wasn't sure what to do against the serial limping fish here. I didn't want to bet because no worse calls and no better folds. So I was planning to check call once but then he made it so big I got stuck. I wanting to shove but I know that there are a lot of better aces in his limping range. So I mucked it, angrily.

iPoker - $1 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 147.35 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 85.21 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
SB: 96.05 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 9.68, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 31)
MP: 29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 16.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 13.5 BB, fold

Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) 5 T A
Hero checks, BTN bets 28 BB, fold

BTN mucks

BTN wins 65.05 BB

Looks fine, just bet an amount on the flop you'd be comfortable c/cing. If you're not looking to get your opponent to bluff, it's better to do this than just c/fing. That bet sizing looks bogus though. What does he have TT, AT? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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if he had a full stack I would have taken a stab but I felt like I'd be committing myself if I bet and he shoved. I guess because I was OOP i should have just bet half pot and folded. Because when we're in position against competent opponents this is a check, right?

he showed 56d lol. owned.

:)... nice. Yeah, his bet sizing didn't make sense. More importantly though you can bet/fold on that dry of a board.
 
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That's exactly what I mean, if he has JJ (maybe even QQ KK if he never 3bets) he will probably call at least once and then probably be happy to check it down and we will win sometimes. There is a ton of pairs in the hands of weaker players with these 28/9 stats who won't fold to the squeeze.
Oh and I see John used your 54cc in the blinds hand in his blog... for what not to do....smack wrist.

Hehe... well, it was the most recent example I had, although I could pick hundreds of hands on CC here. I started it last week and just finished and published it yesterday.

http://www.acepokersolutions.com/poker-blog/youre-playing-no-limit-not-limit-holdem/
 
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