Polished Poker Vol. I Study Group

[John A]

It's kind of an art form and I'm working to perfect it! I don't know why I spazz out about the stack/pot ratio thing. I need to relax and just try to take all of the money next time!

I get the flop call but I don't like the check raise on the turn that much. What is calling besides a 9 or an ace. Most of the ragged aces aren't going to want to get it all in anyways. The only hands that want to play for stacks are trips and boats. What did you think about the villian in this hand? You could have 4bet and most likely just have taken it down pre.

I could use a dose of my own advice though. I ran into trip 10's twice today and called off a buy in with tptk like a fish.. I don't usually tilt but this was a clear cut case of winners tilt on my part. I've been running like god the past few days and somehow turned into an overly optimistic fish as if I'm always going to be right.. I'll probably be taking the rest of the night off and start fresh tomorrow.

I have to ask, why do you get the flop call? You realize that's a call getting 4:1, needing at least 6:1 with pretty much zero implied odds. How much money is going in if an A or K hits on the turn vs a hand you're actually ahead of?

 

[or3o1990]

Well i think its weak to just fold on the flop. If the villian is balancing his 3betting range then hes going to have j10s and weak suited aces half the time that we'd be beating on this flop. Some of the time he's going to have weakish pairs that he could slow down and possibly give up with too. Thats what im thinking in these spots unless the 3bettor is nitty. I agree totally with the implied odds part, no more money is going in when we're ahead but what about the money already in the middle?

 

[Figaroo2]

Well i think its weak to just fold on the flop. If the villian is balancing his 3betting range then hes going to have j10s and weak suited aces half the time that we'd be beating on this flop. Some of the time he's going to have weakish pairs that he could slow down and possibly give up with too. Thats what im thinking in these spots unless the 3bettor is nitty. I agree totally with the implied odds part, no more money is going in when we're ahead but what about the money already in the middle?

I would suggest this rarely applies when MP 3bets an UTG raise, this is normally always JJ+. 3 betting widely against a normal UTG range is spew. I'm very surprised MP had a 9 here and I'd expect his 3 bet % from MP to be a very tight range. I suppose as you are both fairly deep he will widen a touch but still unexpected.
I'd actually have been more concerned about the BB having a 9 or 77 TT JJ here than MP which is another reason I'd be folding on this flop as we still have two players to beat.

Rhoms hand
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

A

Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.15) 5

Q

K

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10
Turn: ($0.55) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.18, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.44

I don't understand your turn raise here. Mind you having seen the result of the hand I don't understand his play at any point.

 

[John A]

Well i think its weak to just fold on the flop. If the villian is balancing his 3betting range then hes going to have j10s and weak suited aces half the time that we'd be beating on this flop. Some of the time he's going to have weakish pairs that he could slow down and possibly give up with too. Thats what im thinking in these spots unless the 3bettor is nitty. I agree totally with the implied odds part, no more money is going in when we're ahead but what about the money already in the middle?

Well, the best play is always the strongest play. I'd only call here when we whiff if I was getting direct odds to do so, because I know I don't really have many implied odds. My only implied odds here come from my back door draw. And it won't make up for all the reverse implied odds we have - like in this exact hand for example. Meaning we hit an A or K on the turn and we're still behind.

What looks weak to me in this hand is c/cing the flop. That's a sign of weakness, and in a MW pot, this is almost never the correct play if you don't have either direct odds to continue, or a realistic chance at some good implied odds, which we don't have either of in this hand.

Let's have everyone in this study group understand why you shouldn't continue here, because it's important. I've seen it in a lot of these hands posted, and we should get more systematic system we're studying together about purging out bad lines and plays.

We want to improve and get better, and make sure we understand why one line/play is better than another. I want to see you guys posting some good results, and continuing to evolve. The sweat sessions are going to help a lot with this. I know all of you are making a serious commitment, and I want to see that all pay off for you.

 

[John A]

You guys probably already know this, but just in case:

A couple of important points about hand ranges on the turn:

http://www.acepokersolutions.com/poker-blog/value-your-opponents-bad-range/

 

[or3o1990]

Been running pretty bad today but I'm half full.. Run good builds confidence but run bad keeps me diligent.

I only had 15 hands on the guy and his line just made no sense in the moment although when he showed down it made perfect sense. I wasn't sure raising the flop gets the desired result, he was drawing to two outs which i'm ok with but I guess I could have folded the turn.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 95.5 BB
UTG+1: 128.75 BB
MP: 180.1 BB
MP+1: 102.2 BB
Hero (CO): 98.55 BB
BTN: 70.45 BB
SB: 90.8 BB
BB: 100.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♣

fold, fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 4♥ Q♦
MP+1 bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (53 BB, 2 players) T♠
MP+1 raises to 78.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74.55 BB and is all-in

River: (202.1 BB, 2 players) 2♠

MP+1 shows T♣ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows K♦ K♣ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 81%, Flop 90%, Turn 14%)
MP+1 wins 199.1 BB

Followed immediately by this hand on another table.. guy posts UTG so I thought he was a new player but I actually had 56 hands on him. As it turns out he's got a high aggression factor. Seemed like a bluff but I haven't seen him do this before so I went away on the river.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 54 BB
MP+1: 222.05 BB
MP+2: 92.35 BB
CO: 209.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 97.5 BB
SB: 124.8 BB
BB: 124.8 BB
UTG: 100 BB
UTG+1: 93.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ J♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥ J♠ 3♥
UTG bets 5.75 BB, Hero calls 5.75 BB

Turn: (23 BB, 2 players) 8♣
UTG bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (69 BB, 2 players) 6♥
UTG raises to 66.25 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 66 BB



Also, I suck at reading hand histories and I totally missed the fact that it was a multiway pot somehow. I agree on letting it go 100% but my thought process is as I said before in a heads up pot.

 

[John A]

Been running pretty bad today but I'm half full.. Run good builds confidence but run bad keeps me diligent.

I only had 15 hands on the guy and his line just made no sense in the moment although when he showed down it made perfect sense. I wasn't sure raising the flop gets the desired result, he was drawing to two outs which i'm ok with but I guess I could have folded the turn.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 95.5 BB
UTG+1: 128.75 BB
MP: 180.1 BB
MP+1: 102.2 BB
Hero (CO): 98.55 BB
BTN: 70.45 BB
SB: 90.8 BB
BB: 100.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♣

fold, fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 4♥ Q♦
MP+1 bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (53 BB, 2 players) T♠
MP+1 raises to 78.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74.55 BB and is all-in

River: (202.1 BB, 2 players) 2♠

MP+1 shows T♣ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows K♦ K♣ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 81%, Flop 90%, Turn 14%)
MP+1 wins 199.1 BB

He flatted twice though so there's even some draws in his range if he's doing this. But more importantly, there's hands he'll call with if you raise the flop still like AQ/JJ. And the most important point... if he didn't have a hand to call a raise or a small raise on the flop with, you're unlikely to get more money on any other street any ways. So just attack these weak bets. The only reason you'd flat on the flop here is if you knew he was overly aggressive, and you don't know that.

Followed immediately by this hand on another table.. guy posts UTG so I thought he was a new player but I actually had 56 hands on him. As it turns out he's got a high aggression factor. Seemed like a bluff but I haven't seen him do this before so I went away on the river.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 54 BB
MP+1: 222.05 BB
MP+2: 92.35 BB
CO: 209.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 97.5 BB
SB: 124.8 BB
BB: 124.8 BB
UTG: 100 BB
UTG+1: 93.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ J♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥ J♠ 3♥
UTG bets 5.75 BB, Hero calls 5.75 BB

Turn: (23 BB, 2 players) 8♣
UTG bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (69 BB, 2 players) 6♥
UTG raises to 66.25 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 66 BB



Also, I suck at reading hand histories and I totally missed the fact that it was a multiway pot somehow. I agree on letting it go 100% but my thought process is as I said before in a heads up pot.

Again, raise the flop. The guy is limp calling. His range will be wide. I don't know what you mean by MW pot though.

Take control of these hands man.

 

[or3o1990]

I didn't think there was going to be any draws in villians range in the first hand. I didn't think he was beating me on the flop but I was so thrown off by this play likewise in the second hand. Naturally I'm thinking ahead if x i'll do y on each street but being led into like this is not something I'm usually prepared for. And because usually I miss the flop whenever I am bet into it's most often an easy fold. In the KK hand my insticts say raise don't fold and in the j10 I'm thinking bet pot then fold?

My bad when I said MW pot I was talking about the hand Rhombus had posted. I misread the HH and thought it was heads up in which case I'm never folding to a single c bet with overs and back door draws unless I'm sure the villian is a nit.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Been running pretty bad today but I'm half full.. Run good builds confidence but run bad keeps me diligent.

I only had 15 hands on the guy and his line just made no sense in the moment although when he showed down it made perfect sense. I wasn't sure raising the flop gets the desired result, he was drawing to two outs which i'm ok with but I guess I could have folded the turn.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 95.5 BB
UTG+1: 128.75 BB
MP: 180.1 BB
MP+1: 102.2 BB
Hero (CO): 98.55 BB
BTN: 70.45 BB
SB: 90.8 BB
BB: 100.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ K♣

fold, fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, MP+1 calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (29 BB, 2 players) 9♣ 4♥ Q♦
MP+1 bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn: (53 BB, 2 players) T♠
MP+1 raises to 78.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74.55 BB and is all-in

River: (202.1 BB, 2 players) 2♠

MP+1 shows T♣ T♥ (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 10%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows K♦ K♣ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 81%, Flop 90%, Turn 14%)
MP+1 wins 199.1 BB

Followed immediately by this hand on another table.. guy posts UTG so I thought he was a new player but I actually had 56 hands on him. As it turns out he's got a high aggression factor. Seemed like a bluff but I haven't seen him do this before so I went away on the river.

PokerStars - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 54 BB
MP+1: 222.05 BB
MP+2: 92.35 BB
CO: 209.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 97.5 BB
SB: 124.8 BB
BB: 124.8 BB
UTG: 100 BB
UTG+1: 93.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ J♣

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥ J♠ 3♥
UTG bets 5.75 BB, Hero calls 5.75 BB

Turn: (23 BB, 2 players) 8♣
UTG bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (69 BB, 2 players) 6♥
UTG raises to 66.25 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 66 BB



Also, I suck at reading hand histories and I totally missed the fact that it was a multiway pot somehow. I agree on letting it go 100% but my thought process is as I said before in a heads up pot.

Could we ever call this?? We got straight blockers

Just cuz therez a flush there doesnt mean we should b scared. He didnt play the hand strong our opponent.

 

[Figaroo2]

pot control v value

This is something that I often struggle with, when do we back off and pot control as opposed to value betting.

Bet river or check call?
Fold or call it off against aggressive opponent?

This villain is tight and when he gets in a hand hes sticky.
Here the two pair AA 66 beats his most likely 2 pair holding KQ but then the flush arrives on the end. This seems close to me, is he betting 2 pair.... I would expect AK KK QQ to probably 4bet pre.
Its annoying we don't have the ace of diamonds. he could easily have AJ AT of diamonds here and he must think I'm going to get it in here plenty having bet all 3 streets so i doubt this is a bluff.
What do you guys think?
We have $4.90 odd left effective pot is around $12

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Hero (SB): $10.57 (105.7 bb)
BB: $4.53 (45.3 bb)
UTG+2: $12.88 (128.8 bb)
MP1: $0.64 (6.4 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $6 (60 bb)
CO: $7.79 (77.9 bb)
BTN: $16.72 (167.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:heart: A:club:
5 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, BB folds, BTN calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) K:diamond: 6:heart: Q:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BTN calls $0.75

Turn: ($3) 6:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

River: ($6) 8:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.90, BTN raises to $13.77 and is all-in,
Hero?

 

[rhombus]

This is something that I often struggle with, when do we back off and pot control as opposed to value betting.

Bet river or check call?
Fold or call it off against aggressive opponent?

I struggle with same. although terrible flop for AA with Ad
Cbt ok but then I would have strarted to pot contol with the turn even though its technically a brick, then would be easy call unless he bombed the river. Hes gonna bet all his bluffs to represent the flush, all his Kings especially KQ qhich you beat

 

[rhombus]

I'm currently running bad for last 3 days, normally play 1000 hands when i get a chance although stopped after a 150-200 last 2 nights after frustation

Think the high wtsd and low W$SD is more down to just running into top of their ranges or them getting their on the river.

Seems to be everytime i 3bet light then Cbet they have it but when I 3bet with good hands they fold (Dont 3bet light easy fix)
Miss most draws but they hit when they are drawing, this then has a knockon effect of playin bad or is it. Some coolers or may not

One interesting thing I do notice is if I lose $7 or $8 playing $2nl I get more annoyed than playing tournaments and losing between $50-$100 on a night

few examples - see screenshot below for the hands

Hand 1 - Villain 15/0 Ag6 3B 0 after 15 hands
Hero (MP): $2.32 (116 bb), CO: $2.37 (118.5 bb)
They min checkraise on Flop bet 50c on turn after I check then shove river $1.50 I call they had 77. Only hand I beat missed flush draw. Bad call me thinks

Hand 2 - Villain 24/20 AG 10.0 3B 25.9 after 51 hands
SB: $2.85 (142.5 bb), Hero (MP): $2.17 (108.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero raises to $0.06[/color], 2 folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12
Flop: ($0.38) SB bets $0.37[/color], Hero calls $0.37
Turn: ($1.12) SB bets $2.30[/color], Hero calls $1.62 and is all-in SPEW!!!

Hand 3 Villain - 32/26 AG 1.5 3B 0.0 after 20 Hands
Hero (SB): $2.23 (111.5 bb), BTN: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
Preflop: BTN raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.26, BTN calls $0.18
Flop: ($0.54) Hero bets $0.34, BTN raises to $0.68, Hero raises to $1.97 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.17 and is all-in
BTN flopped set of Jacks

Hand 4 Villain 33/11 AG 0.7 3B 0.0 after 9 Hands
UTG: $2.34 (117 bb), Hero (MP): $1.94 (97 bb)
PreflopUTG raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, UTG raises to $2.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.80 and is all-in they had QQ
maybe call 4bet and feel more confident if no Ace or King on flop

Hand 5 Villain 50/50 AG 0.0 3B 0.0 after 2 hands
UTG: $1.98 (99 bb), Hero (CO): $1.91 (95.5 bb)
PreflopUTG raises to $1.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.91 and is all-in,
Villain shoved UTG JJ - not easy decision as could be a frustrated shove then way ahead of his range. Need to note these players who shove.
Not the worst decision in the world if you have lose players behind and usualy just pickup the blinds with normal raise

Hand 6 Vilain 21/21 AG 5.0 3B 0.0 after 14 Hands
Hero (SB): $1.81 (90.5 bb), BTN: $2 (100 bb)
PreflopBTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.42) Hero bets $0.20, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.61 and is all-in, BTN calls $1.21
Villain had 78suited SPEW by me,

Hand 7 This was the bluff hand I posted earlier. Only 1 hand on villain
Hero (UTG): $1.78 (89 bb), BTN: $1.93 (96.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06,
Flop: ($0.15) Hero bets $0.10, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10
Turn: ($0.55) Hero checks, BTN bets $0.18, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.44
River: ($1.79) Hero bets $0.90 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.90 just had a feeling he had nothing especially when I check rasied turn so was surprised when he turned over 8d5s for pair of 5s

Hand 8 Villain - 30/23 AG 6.0 3B 13.3 after 41 hands
MP: $2.04 (102 bb), Hero (CO): $1.76 (88 bb)
Preflop: MP raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.20, MP raises to $0.49, Hero raises to $1.50, MP raises to $2.04 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.26 and is all-in
Villain had AA

Overall need to learn to fold overpairs when the real money goes in at best I am going to be up against a massive draw at best on most occasions. Try not to get stacks in preflop maybe exception AA KK and QQ unles they are realy nitty then QQ can be folded

 

[or3o1990]

This is something that I often struggle with, when do we back off and pot control as opposed to value betting.

Bet river or check call?
Fold or call it off against aggressive opponent?

I wouldn't discount QQ or KK here. If he is tight and he's aware of his image he could decide not to 4bet because of this. Against a sticky opponent though I say punish him. Bet bigger if you know he's sticky and bet much bigger on the river. That's been one of the most useful tips I've picked up from you, betting bigger makes folding to a raise easier in most cases.

Considering he's tight and he's re raising the river I have to say fold. There's not many aces left to make AK or AQ and he probably wouldn't do this with tptk any six crushes us as well as KK and QQ along with diamonds. I just see so many hands that we're loosing to not many we're beating, only QK makes sense.

I'm currently running bad for last 3 days, normally play 1000 hands when i get a chance although stopped after a 150-200 last 2 nights after frustation

Think the high wtsd and low W$SD is more down to just running into top of their ranges or them getting their on the river.

Seems to be everytime i 3bet light then Cbet they have it but when I 3bet with good hands they fold (Dont 3bet light easy fix)
Miss most draws but they hit when they are drawing, this then has a knockon effect of playin bad or is it. Some coolers or may not

One interesting thing I do notice is if I lose $7 or $8 playing $2nl I get more annoyed than playing tournaments and losing between $50-$100 on a night

few examples - see screenshot below for the hands

Don't get discouraged! When every villain you're against seems to connect with the flop and therefore sticks around it's just one of the many complex forms of variance. It doesn't mean that your lighter 3bets are necessarily bad. Unless you've got a big enough sample that indicates this may be the case?

3betting light against players who don't defend pre and on the flop is going to be profitable. But when you're unable to pick up a sting of these pots on the flop and you don't improve it definitely adds up and it sucks.

I'm jumping in a session but I'm going to have a look see at some your hands this evening

 

[rhombus]

I wouldn't discount QQ or KK here. If he is tight and he's aware of his image he could decide not to 4bet because of this. Against a sticky opponent though I say punish him. Bet bigger if you know he's sticky and bet much bigger on the river. That's been one of the most useful tips I've picked up from you, betting bigger makes folding to a raise easier in most cases.

Considering he's tight and he's re raising the river I have to say fold. There's not many aces left to make AK or AQ and he probably wouldn't do this with tptk any six crushes us as well as KK and QQ along with diamonds. I just see so many hands that we're loosing to not many we're beating, only QK makes sense.

Don't get discouraged! When every villain you're against seems to connect with the flop and therefore sticks around it's just one of the many complex forms of variance. It doesn't mean that your lighter 3bets are necessarily bad. Unless you've got a big enough sample that indicates this may be the case?

3betting light against players who don't defend pre and on the flop is going to be profitable. But when you're unable to pick up a sting of these pots on the flop and you don't improve it definitely adds up and it sucks.

I'm jumping in a session but I'm going to have a look see at some your hands this evening

thanks GL at your session.

I did play a few hands after to get to the next checkmark 35K but think Ill give $2nl a break and maybe go back at a later date to try and reach the Target of 5BB/100.

Gonna start at $5nl and blitz 1000 hands Cu in an hour LOL

Few more hands from the after Session hands 1 and 2 I'm assuming they are standard

Hand 1 standard call 1 fold to 2nd barrel
poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.73 (286.5 bb)
BB: $1.68 (84 bb)
Hero (UTG): $1.97 (98.5 bb)
MP: $4.94 (247 bb)
CO: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
BTN: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

A

Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO raises to $0.18, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.39) Q

Q

8

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.89) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.55, Hero folds

Results: $0.89 pot ($0.03 rake)
Final Board: Q

Q

8

7

Hero mucked K

A

and lost (-$0.43 net)
CO mucked and won $0.86 ($0.43 net)


Hand2 tried to take initiative on turn so easy bet fold
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $1.82 (91 bb)
BB: $2.85 (142.5 bb)
UTG: $3.47 (173.5 bb)
MP: $1.90 (95 bb)
CO: $2.79 (139.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $1.60 (80 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

J

2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.39) Q

2

A

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.39) 9

(2 players)
CO bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.26, CO calls $0.16

River: ($0.91) 3

(2 players)
CO bets $0.50, Hero folds

Results: $0.91 pot ($0.03 rake)
Final Board: Q

2

A

9

3

CO mucked and won $0.88 ($0.44 net)
Hero mucked J

J

and lost (-$0.44 net)



Hand 3 - is this a bad donk bet on turn, prob should have folded to raise??
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $3.97 (198.5 bb)
UTG: $3.36 (168 bb)
MP: $2.87 (143.5 bb)
CO: $4.81 (240.5 bb)
BTN: $3.13 (156.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

A

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.05, SB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.15) 6

7

A

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.08, SB folds, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.31) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.18, BTN raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.27

River: ($1.21) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.88, Hero folds

Results: $1.21 pot ($0.04 rake)
Final Board: 6

7

A

T

J

Hero mucked 9

A

and lost (-$0.58 net)
BTN mucked and won $1.17 ($0.59 net)

Hand 4 trying to take initiative again
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.58 (129 bb)
BB: $5.89 (294.5 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $2.62 (131 bb)
Hero (CO): $7.13 (356.5 bb)
BTN: $2.18 (109 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

K

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.37) 5

K

8

(2 players)
BB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.73) J

(2 players)
BB bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.44

River: ($2.13) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Results: $2.13 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 5

K

8

J

5

BB showed 5

K

and won $2.06 ($1 net)
Hero mucked Q

K

and lost (-$1.06 net)

Hand5 noticed a few people who donk lead into a 3bet tend to have stronger ranges. Noticed a erw times where they donk lead into the 3bet and im not sure what to do.
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2.42 (121 bb)
MP: $3.45 (172.5 bb)
CO: $1.24 (62 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.82 (141 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3

A

UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.35) 7

9

7

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.17, Hero raises to $0.51, UTG raises to $1.87, Hero folds

Results: $1.37 pot ($0.05 rake)
Final Board: 7

9

7

UTG mucked and won $1.32 ($0.65 net)
Hero mucked 3

A

and lost (-$0.67 net)

 

[Aces2w1n]

First 2 hands cbet

Hmmm Ax bad hand.. if u want to take control 3bet and lead out flop ... i fold this

 

[rhombus]

First 2 hands cbet

Hmmm Ax bad hand.. if u want to take control 3bet and lead out flop ... i fold this

i posted 2 sets of hands 1st set was 8 and 2nd set had 5

Im assuming you are talking about 2nd set as I did CBet Hand 1 in the set of 8

AK hand I was OOP against someone who raised the UTG so didnt want to get opened up to easy and was happy to get to showdown.

The second hand the JJ I could've CBET but have been experimenting with delayed CBetting and especially as alot of his range he wouldnt have folded to a CBET maybe only hands medium suited connectors(not spades) everything else he would have called with.

 

[rhombus]

Ok as i posted earlier was gonna leave $2nl for the time being (go back later and try to reach target of 5B/1000

So tried $5nl and tried to blitz 1000 hands. I did reach my 5BB/100 target after 29 hands lol but carried on.

It took abit longer than 1hour mainly due to having to move down to 3 tables after about 5 minutes due to getting used to bet sizing on flop and turn etc as mind went blank as so used to blitzing $2nl and totally different game apart from the players who are equally as bad if not worse. Good start but obvioulsy no way to maintain those stats if only

 

[or3o1990]

thanks GL at your session.

I did play a few hands after to get to the next checkmark 35K but think Ill give $2nl a break and maybe go back at a later date to try and reach the Target of 5BB/100.

Gonna start at $5nl and blitz 1000 hands Cu in an hour LOL

Few more hands from the after Session hands 1 and 2 I'm assuming they are standard

Thanks, I did okay so far. I managed to recoup what I'd lost over 1000 hands yesterday in about 400 which is always nice. I'll probably get back in there in a little while.

Hand 1: Do you ever 4bet here? People 3bet pretty light over on pokerstars don't they?

Hand 2: This hand is dependent on what I think about the villain. I'll bet here against really weak players but otherwise I don't mind checking and trying to get to showdown or just folding the turn against the nittier types.

Hand 3: I don't think it's a bad donk bet. There's a ton of draws and you don't want him to check behind but I would have led out with the intention of folding I think. Because even if we're ahead now and he is drawing there are a ton of scary and bad cards and we will be facing another bet on the end which I wouldn't be too confident in calling.

Hand 4: I don't 4bet with QK hardly ever but I think you could have made an exception here because you guys are soo terribly deep and this villain will be inclined to 3bet lighter I think.

Hand 5: I'm always stumped when I get led into lol. But I think I would most likely have folded unless he bet like 12 in which case I'd attack it.

Just my two cents

 

[Figaroo2]

I'm currently running bad for last 3 days, normally play 1000 hands when i get a chance although stopped after a 150-200 last 2 nights after frustation
Overall need to learn to fold overpairs when the real money goes in at best I am going to be up against a massive draw at best on most occasions. Try not to get stacks in preflop maybe exception AA KK and QQ unles they are realy nitty then QQ can be folded

Too many hands for me buddy! Try to be a little more selective about the hands you want to post.
Looking at the image what is the most obvious is that none of these hands are better than 1 pair so you as a default must be overplaying them if 100bb is going in. As we've seen your wtsd is too high so I suspect there are examples here where you could have folded earlier in the hand before you start to get committed.
I used to live by the mantra don't get stacked with one pair and in the search for more value I have gotton away from that, maybe it will help you find a few more folds then appropriate.
Hands 2 4 5 6 8 all could be folded, you seem on occasions to be shoving into raises and just hoping to be in front! JJ TT in particular overplayed....easy Tiger!

 

[Figaroo2]

Rhom
the 2nd set of hands

H1 AK, I would be 4 betting here a lot of the time unless he really never 3bets. I don't want to flat 3bets OOP without good reason, 4 bet is always the better option as we keep the initiative.
If we are going to call then I would just give up immediately, you are never going to be sure where you are on the paired queen board and we are OOP. Its not a case of weakness we just have so few ways to improve and even if it checks down we are losing to his JJ TT or whatever it is he's 3 bet with. Fold on the flop 25c is a chunk saved at 2nl.

H2 JJ. What raises the turn that doesn't bet the flop when in position? This flop hits our perceived range as the aggressor and we have two backdoors so I bet the flop once and give up if called and we don't improve.

H3
As played on the turn I'd call I don't want to get raised off the hand now. Can't we squeeze this pre? A9 flops poorly.

H4. KQ...
I know you are trying to up aggression levels but it has to make sense in the hand as a whole. The monotone board also means no decent flush draw is folding.
What do we rep when the turn card J arrives? It changes nothing in the hand, in which case if we didn't we raise the flop then why turn raise?

We have showdown value so we don't need to turn our hand into a bluff at this point. If he's bluffing and his range will have plenty of FD and air here then let him keep bluffing. As it happened he had a hand and missed value on the end. Sick hand and make notes on this guy.

H5 A3.
We are raising against UTG so unless he is opening wide this is pretty much a steal, if it fails I give up. As its basically a steal we need to bet bigger.

 

[Vinther90]

Need some advices as i almost lost 33% of my BR in 1 day.
First of all, i will not play more today as i am on a big tilt.

i play 0.10/0.25 multi-tabling 6-max.
I think i need some advices about my hand selection on 6-max.
Ive tried full ring as ive played 1000 SNgs its getting borring.

My hand selection:
UTG and UTG+1: Premium cards, high pairs - raise ( I assume you know what i mean)
Middle position/late: Premium hands raise - Suited connectors and all pairs Limp. If a player make a small raise i call.
cut-off, smallblind: Premium hands, Gap, connectors, low pairs. If no one have called i would raise against big blind with hands like K4 offsuited, 9 5 suited, etc.

I feel like where i lose the most is against three of a kind. ex. I got AK suited as UTG. I raise, and get 1 caller.
The flop shows: A K 7.
I normally raise here (depends on the player im against), but then i get reraised. I call.
At showdown we are almost all-in both of us. As must of us do, we analyse the flop before showdown. Straight is not a possibility, flush isnt either, so I would just move all in.

Also...
People tend to bluff much in cash-games, and i have tough times to see if they are sitting with a flush (they win), or not (I win). I have tried SO many times where people just bluff that they hit a flush, but at showdown they got nothing.
But ive also tried to opposite.

Any advices. My english is not the best, hope you can understand what im trying to say

 

[Figaroo2]

This is the biggest issue i can see.

Middle position/late: Premium hands raise - Suited connectors and all pairs Limp. If a player make a small raise i call. No play these hands the same way you play a premium, come in for a raise or you look weak

 

[or3o1990]

Need some advices as i almost lost 33% of my BR in 1 day.
First of all, i will not play more today as i am on a big tilt.

I'd say move down in stakes for a couple of days. That way you can rebuild your confidence and not have to sweat your bankroll. Poker is all about making the best decisions possible on every street. So just like there's no shame in folding when it's the most profitable thing to do there is absolutely nothing wrong with dropping in stakes either.

Are you playing today Fig? If so any chance I could sweat you for a bit?

 

[rhombus]

I'd say move down in stakes for a couple of days. That way you can rebuild your confidence and not have to sweat your bankroll. Poker is all about making the best decisions possible on every street. So just like there's no shame in folding when it's the most profitable thing to do there is absolutely nothing wrong with dropping in stakes either.

+1 thats what Im doing grinding from the basement and no shame at all.

I used to play $10 and $25 and rolled $25+. I'm actualy doing it not for the bankroll but more to gain confidence in my game

 

[rhombus]

Thanks, I did okay so far. I managed to recoup what I'd lost over 1000 hands yesterday in about 400 which is always nice. I'll probably get back in there in a little while.

Hand 1: Do you ever 4bet here? People 3bet pretty light over on pokerstars don't they?
3betting light happens alot even at the micros. I kinda get awkward when 4Betting OOP, sometimes I do, sometimes I just flat the 3Bet. What do you suggest 4Bet to 50c which will leave 1.5SPR on the flop if they call, then on flop ???

Hand 2: This hand is dependent on what I think about the villain. I'll bet here against really weak players but otherwise I don't mind checking and trying to get to showdown or just folding the turn against the nittier types. With a spade in my hand (slightly less likely they have flush draw) maybe should've CBet instead of delayed CBET

Hand 3: I don't think it's a bad donk bet. There's a ton of draws and you don't want him to check behind but I would have led out with the intention of folding I think. Because even if we're ahead now and he is drawing there are a ton of scary and bad cards and we will be facing another bet on the end which I wouldn't be too confident in calling. Yup prob fold to his turn raise unless I was drawing as well

Hand 4: I don't 4bet with QK hardly ever but I think you could have made an exception here because you guys are soo terribly deep and this villain will be inclined to 3bet lighter I think.

Hand 5: I'm always stumped when I get led into lol. But I think I would most likely have folded unless he bet like 12 in which case I'd attack it.

Just my two cents

your 2cents is very welcome occasionally I will raise scary flops as the non Preflop aggressor, but maybe when donked into should've called the CBET and see what they do on Turn.

I know some will say fold but seems so exploitable when alot of people 3Bet light to donk lead on scary boards. Even if you have AA you arent going to feel comfortable when they donk Flop then lead again on Turn and River. Do you call down a Reg and go for showdown. Against a NIT then I'd maybe call flop with AA with a club and fold Turn if a club didnt appear