Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

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I'd been thinking a long time about getting back into the private game I was playing a number of months ago. Finally got back in touch with people and got ready to play.

I tried to play Friday, but game wasn't running. Same story on Saturday pretty much. Today I knew there would be though, and planned to play. During my absence, the club started running weekly Sunday tournaments. They are $265 entry, and they are bounty tourneys ($200 pool + $50 bounty + $15 fee).

I was thinking of entering it, and decided to basically make a last-second decision based on the lineup that were entering it. I knew that it usually got 12-15 runners, so I could look them up from cash hands to see if any of the somewhat not-terrible ones were entering.

Basically, long story short is that only one or two players were confirmed not terrible in the 10 that were in so I decided to hop in. Meanwhile I started some 1/2.

Pretty quickly lost a buyin at 1/2. Wasn't focused, didn't play very well. Got coolered in one spot where I flopped top and bottom on a monotone board in a limped pot and couldn't get away on the blank turn or river.

But ran deep in the tournament. It ended up having just 13 runners, and would pay only 2 spots. I got my first bounty pretty early in the tournament. I was denied my second bounty TWICE when I got in AA against AJ and he runnered a broadway straight. Then against the same guy I had AA again and he had A4s, flopped his bottom pair and turned trips. I couldn't spike my 1 outer.

But I was still in with a decent stack. I pretty much coasted to the final table, though I didn't have a huge stack at any point. It was 6max, and the very first hand, MP shorty jammed and I had A3ss in the bb. I was getting 1.75:1, only had to call 1/6 of my stack, and would get the $50 bounty if I won. I called.

The villain had 44 and I spiked an A on the flop. No sweats on the turn and I held on the river to the pot and the bounty, putting me in an even more comfortable chip position.

I kind of coasted again through the final table up until 3-handed. During 4-handed I kind of just got to chip up little by little from stealing blinds. But 3-handed was tougher. We were on the bubble, so no one was really spazzing. And while they weren't GOOD, they weren't as terribad as the rest of the field. Plus being loose and sticky to hands postflop plays better 3-handed than 6-handed.

We were 3-handed for a long time - at least 4 or 5 blind levels (40 or 50min). I held AIPF in a key spot where I 4b jammed AQ over the weaker player's 3b. He tank-called with A9 and I held. The better player was making better postflop decisions, but he was too tight. And he was on my right.

Eventually the tight player jammed A7o and got tank called by the weaker player holding Q8s. The jam was for something like 12bb. 8 on the flop spelled doom for the stronger player, and we were HU, with me at a 3:1 chip disadvantage.

Bubble burst! I was guaranteed a $910 + 3x$50 bounties at this point. Up top was a cool $1,690 + my 3x$50 bounties and another 2 -> one for busting my opponent and another for being the last man standing and keeping my own bounty. It was clear my opponent was weak, but his aggression kept me from exploiting him heavily at first. I did manage a few pretty awesome moments. A couple spots where I made exploitable (but I think correct) folds, and at one point I value bet the river with 3rd pair on a not-so-pretty board and got snap-called by worse.

The blinds went up though, and I wasn't gaining a ton of traction. I managed to get from a 3:1 disadvantage, to even, to a 2:1 advantage, but we swung back and forth to even again. In the end I 3b jammed 55 for villains 18bb effective stack. He tank-called with KJ (which seemed pretty terrible to me). The flop showed an A and a K, but also a 5, so I was virtually home-free, and the 9 OTT secured me the win.

I'm about to go to sleep now, but I couldn't help writing this down now while it was fresh.

In for $265.

$1,690 in cash and $250 in bounties =
Out for $1,940.
 
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Gratz on the cash. That's a nice score.
 
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H1: I would have pot bet the turn and check/cry called the river
H2: flop bet higher and would be allin on the turn
H3: raised/fold to a shove on the flop; in case only call from v, bet the turn
in case small raise from v on the flop check the turn; then on the turn fold to a shove
But I am just a fish ^^
 
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very nice score scoure. Congrats bro.

Glad to hear that things are starting to look up for you.
 
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22 is gross because the As isnt out so a bunch of his AX combos are spades that get there. i kind of dont mind a fold, but obviously its a fold that im never making. however im obv a lot loose/more spewy than you. i feel like youre too tight for villains to overshove rivers on you w 2p on that board.
TT looks fine considering the player. not too thin cos the 3's are paired so you own lots of awks 2p that he can have.
AJ, i dont like c/r'ing the turn cos i feel like we fold everything we beat and get owned by everything we dont. i much prefer c/r'ing the flop and halfpotting the turn. the way we played it i dont think we get value from worse, whereas if we c'r the flop (and fold to further aggro mostly from competents) we still value draws and worse J's. considering vil is UTG i feel like theres not really much in his range that we beat that he continues with so i probably just x/c down
 
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Back to the live grind!

Nope. Only casino nearby sucks.

H1: I would have pot bet the turn and check/cry called the river
H2: flop bet higher and would be allin on the turn
H3: raised/fold to a shove on the flop; in case only call from v, bet the turn
in case small raise from v on the flop check the turn; then on the turn fold to a shove
But I am just a fish ^^

Haha thanks for your input. On H1, you want to lead out instead of x/r? We get more money in by x/r so I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

H2 I didn't want to make the bet extremely massive OTF because I wanted to keep in worse but I guess betting bigger OTF and jamming turn has merits.

22 is gross because the As isnt out so a bunch of his AX combos are spades that get there. i kind of dont mind a fold, but obviously its a fold that im never making. however im obv a lot loose/more spewy than you. i feel like youre too tight for villains to overshove rivers on you w 2p on that board.
TT looks fine considering the player. not too thin cos the 3's are paired so you own lots of awks 2p that he can have.
AJ, i dont like c/r'ing the turn cos i feel like we fold everything we beat and get owned by everything we dont. i much prefer c/r'ing the flop and halfpotting the turn. the way we played it i dont think we get value from worse, whereas if we c'r the flop (and fold to further aggro mostly from competents) we still value draws and worse J's. considering vil is UTG i feel like theres not really much in his range that we beat that he continues with so i probably just x/c down

22: This is Zone, so nobody has any read on me ever.

AJ: This was pretty much my problem. Even in game I didn't really think x/r was right. But I guess it was one of those sessions where nothing's really going right and you're like "I FINALLY am gonna win a pot - let's make it a BIG'UN."

x/r the flop is not something I'd normally do against unknowns simply because it's so hard to know what's going on when they 3b as opposed to calling.

Confirmed: The As not being on the board in the 22 hand is the worst thing ever.
 
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The deuces hand is obviously a fold, however, Im definitely not good enough to make it. He just is never bluffing because you've shown so much strength and he never shoves worse unless hes a whale.
 
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In the AJ hand, we shouldn't be raising the turn for the reasons JC stated.

I would be tempted to lead the turn. We get value from a few hands that would normally check back and we can probably fold if we get raised. I think the worst hand he could possibly raise us with is AT and even then if he's competent then he wont. Leading I think we get better value from hands we beat and we get away from bigger hands with just a turn bet, instead of x/c turn and river.
 
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Agree with your analysis YGM, thanks.

22: I lucked out and he had AQ.
TT: He had JJ lol.
AJ: I think at this point we all know he had KQ for broadway :)


Tourney win was nice for sure, and puts me back to being fully rolled for 1/2. Not deeply rolled, but plenty.
 
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sooo pumped to hear bout that tourney!!!
 
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Thanks guys. :)

So I'm currently working on trying to get a home game going at my apartment. I'm going to be buying another chip set that matches mine so I can have a lot more reds in play.

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http://www.discountpokershop.com/500-115g-suited-poker-chip-set-p-95.html

I could just get some sets of 25x of the red chips, but probably going to get the 2x500pc full set, just cause they're cheap and I'm hoping they'll get frequent use (and therefore it'd be nice to have "backups").

Also need to get some extra chairs, so I just got another set of the folding ones I have. They are pretty comfy for folding chairs and I'm not willing to spend > 1k on chairs I'll probably only use for poker games atm, so oh well. Maybe I should buy some cheap cushions though?

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Just bought another 4-set for $100 (sick cheap, given how relatively comfortable they are), so with the ones I have, that makes 8. I'm guessing first few games won't have more than that, but I guess I'll maybe need to buy 2 more at some point.

I've also bought chip racks and cut cards, just for myself to feel a little more "profesh." They aren't expensive or nice or anything, but I think they add to the atmosphere :) I've got some relatively nice cards, plus a lot of reasonably good decks that I don't care if they get worn down, so no needs there.

Then of course the table... This one has been bugging me for quite some time, and I actually want an opinion.

V5 Series:
92in x 43in x 30in, dealer tray optional, offset cup holders, no racetrack.

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http://www.bbopokertables.com/v5series.htm


Ultimate Poker Table:
92 in x 44in x 30in

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http://www.bbopokertables.com/ultimate_poker_table.html


I've gone back and forth a ton on both these and others. So I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely narrowed down to these 2 now, but can't decide which I prefer.



And on a sidenote, not even sure how the **** to feel about this hand, but it's not good... He's 3b me virtually every opportunity this session:

UTG: 96 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG+1: 56 BB (VPIP: 40.79, PFR: 18.16, 3Bet Preflop: 7.33, Hands: 776)
MP: 135 BB (VPIP: 27.26, PFR: 12.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.00, Hands: 4,872)
MP+1: 51.5 BB (VPIP: 40.72, PFR: 16.82, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 338)
Hero (CO): 158.5 BB
BTN: 125.5 BB (VPIP: 67.06, PFR: 17.06, 3Bet Preflop: 14.43, Hands: 173)
SB: 210.5 BB (VPIP: 34.96, PFR: 18.99, 3Bet Preflop: 5.43, Hands: 10,722)
BB: 198 BB (VPIP: 41.38, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 58)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: 3:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 17 BB, BTN calls 10 BB

Flop: (35.5 BB, 2 players) 3:spade: 5:club: 2:club:
Hero bets 19 BB, BTN calls 19 BB

Turn: (73.5 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
Hero bets 100 BB, BTN calls 89.5 BB and is all-in

River: (252.5 BB, 2 players) J:spade:

Hero shows A:spade: 3:diamond: (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 29%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
BTN shows T:spade: T:club: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 71%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
BTN wins 241 BB
 
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I like 2nd table more.

About the hand, not sure what to say, move from table or wait for better equity if plan to make a stand?,
turn was a really bad card to gii considering his range and our blocker.
 
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obvious adjustment is don't open that hand if he is going to 3bet you that much.
i probably x flop tho once we get there, and as played rip turn and get annoyed when he doesn't fold.
 
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@Logan: Just one table running as I'm back in the private game. I usually end up starting the game like 4-5 handed but I'm often the first or second seated at the table. It sucks because even though I have stats on most people I sometimes get a really shitty seat draw like last night.

And it's not about "making a stand" exactly? I took a pretty reasonable hand to 4b and did so as an adjustment. He happened to have a hand he wanted to call with this time. I don't understand how the turn is a bad card to jam? Turn is like the nut card for our range. KK+ and AK is 100% in my 4b range and JJ- probably isn't. QQ is questionable. So my entire value 4b range (at this point 21 combos) is doing quite while and would ALWAYS jam here.

I'm not sure what you think his range is and why you think a K would be good for it. You can't put him on like AK that much when he flats the 4b (doesn't gii pre) and then calls flop. Plus what blocker are you talking about?? I assume you don't mean the 3. And the only thing our A blocks is AK :)

@duggs: I mean I hear what you're saying, but in reality are you ever not opening every Ax from the CO?? Like he's not 3b me 100%, just a lot. It seems kind of criminal to tighten up to like 15% of hands in the CO just b/c we get 3b some, and frankly I'm having trouble you'd actually do that in-game lol.

My plan was, if he called I was mostly shutting down, because I thought he would 3b/fold super wide. But then I flopped a pair and gutter (probably about 3x more equity than I expected on a board where I don't flop TP) and got a little lost. Then convinced myself he could be flatting the 4b wide... and then turned the world in terms of nut bluff cards.

Sick thing is he actually snapped. Like legit did not even think.
 
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yea i can see folding Ax if we are getting pounded on as much as you say, especially A3o, like just cause this hand has similar equity to A7o doesn't mean we can't just remove some of them. but i think tightening and folding less is what id do.
 
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Fair enough. Now table preference!! Logan did his duty =)
 
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2nd one since you aren't going to want to have chips on the table, you need them hidden/locked so people can't palm extras. black is cooler, swell
 
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2nd table and for your chip set you will need to be VERY VERY careful using such a common set. Get a UV marker and mark all your chips (yeah I know it's a pain).
 
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2 table is much cooler. I will echo what Jilly says about marking your chips, 2 stories.

One local game was killed off by this. Friday night $50 MTT, great game, I always done well out of it. Final 2 tables were being broken, and one of the dealers accidently broke a stack down and put it back in the case. The organiser done a count of the chips in play to get his stack back, there was an extra 8 full buyins already in play (there was only 27 entrants), obv brought in by players with the same cheap chips at home.

A few weeks back, local cash game. Organiser had to pay out close to a grand when the count was wayyyy over, again cheap dice chips being used.
 
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or make your own custom made sticker and add them
 
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2nd one since you aren't going to want to have chips on the table, you need them hidden/locked so people can't palm extras. black is cooler, swell

this.

ive played way too many homegames where one of the regular degens drops about 10 BIs, and then when the night ends slash the sun comes up and we cash out everyone, theres not as much money in the kitty as there is chips on the table. and thats a gross spot.
 
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