Live Grind: How to Fall Asleep at the Table (Without Getting Caught)

[Matt Vaughan]

Hand 1

BTN: 93.5 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 37)
SB: 218.5 BB (VPIP: 41.27, PFR: 20.63, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 265)
Hero (BB): 95 BB
UTG: 165.5 BB (VPIP: 36.39, PFR: 17.87, 3Bet Preflop: 8.74, Hands: 1,927)
MP: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 25)
CO: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 28.12, PFR: 12.42, 3Bet Preflop: 3.11, Hands: 3,734)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:spade: 6:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 7:club: T:diamond: 5:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 4 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) Q:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (17 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero checks, UTG bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 29 BB,

Spoiler

fold

Hero wins 33.5 BB

Hand 2

CO: 93.5 BB (VPIP: 18.92, PFR: 5.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BTN: 215.5 BB (VPIP: 41.50, PFR: 20.55, 3Bet Preflop: 11.43, Hands: 266)
Hero (SB): 112.5 BB
BB: 149.5 BB (VPIP: 36.43, PFR: 17.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.74, Hands: 1,928)
UTG: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 143)
UTG+1: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 27)
MP: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 28.11, PFR: 12.41, 3Bet Preflop: 3.11, Hands: 3,736)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: 2:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 5:spade: T:heart: A:spade:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) J:heart:
Hero bets 13 BB, BTN calls 13 BB

River: (47 BB, 2 players) 6:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Spoiler

BTN shows Q:club: T:club: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 45%, Flop 20%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows A:diamond: 2:diamond: (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 55%, Flop 80%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 71.5 BB

Hand 3

CO: 144 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
BTN: 110 BB (VPIP: 41.95, PFR: 21.35, 3Bet Preflop: 11.82, Hands: 280)
Hero (SB): 139 BB
BB: 154 BB (VPIP: 36.26, PFR: 17.84, 3Bet Preflop: 8.68, Hands: 1,942)
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 27.45, PFR: 17.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 156)
UTG+1: 91 BB (VPIP: 18.87, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 54)
MP: 93.5 BB (VPIP: 28.15, PFR: 12.48, 3Bet Preflop: 3.09, Hands: 3,763)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: A:heart:

fold, fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) K:heart: Q:club: 9:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (11 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

River: (21 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Spoiler

Hero shows Q:spade: A:heart: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 63%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks 3:spade: 7:spade: (High Card, King) (Pre 37%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 20 BB

Hand 4

MP: 142.5 BB (VPIP: 19.64, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
CO: 176 BB (VPIP: 42.65, PFR: 22.06, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 286)
Hero (BTN): 145 BB
SB: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 36.15, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 8.65, Hands: 1,948)
BB: 104 BB (VPIP: 27.04, PFR: 17.09, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 162)
UTG: 90 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 8.77, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 59)
UTG+1: 113 BB (VPIP: 28.14, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.09, Hands: 3,774)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts penalty blind 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2 BB) Hero has T:heart: T:club:

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 7 BB

Flop: (32 BB, 3 players) 3:heart: 3:club: 7:heart:
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets 15 BB, fold, CO calls 15 BB

Turn: (62 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:
CO checks, Hero checks

River: (62 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
CO bets 30 BB, fold

CO wins 59 BB

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Hand 5

Turn just looks like air. River I think he's giving up. Thoughts on overall line?

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.68, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.62, Hands: 9,256)
Hero (BTN): 159.5 BB
SB: 200.5 BB (VPIP: 39.49, PFR: 13.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 157)
BB: 348.5 BB (VPIP: 28.10, PFR: 19.61, 3Bet Preflop: 13.56, Hands: 153)
UTG: 186 BB (VPIP: 40.48, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 5.85, Hands: 3,234)
UTG+1: 129.5 BB (VPIP: 15.25, PFR: 6.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.60, Hands: 356)
MP: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 12.39, 3Bet Preflop: 3.12, Hands: 4,077)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:spade: K:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 5:club: T:heart: 9:diamond:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, fold, BB calls 6 BB

Turn: (21 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (45 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 32 BB

 

[duggs]

Hand 5. If he has air, bet like 1/4-1/3 pot we don't need to be bombing it to fold out air, see some 5x and this river pairs some draws that opt to to bet rocer

 

[Matt Vaughan]

You don't think his range is fairly elastic here? I agree I went too big but I doubt I'd typically go smaller than maybe 40% in this spot normally. Maybe not necessary?

No thoughts on other hands? On a sizable downer atm both live and online so trying to really dig into spots I'm unsure on.

 

[duggs]

Ill have a look in a minute, he is probably a little elastic but not enough to make me go big, elastic doesn't coincide with your read of air tho, it's also worth considering we have sdv some air

 

[duggs]

Also I have hands you haven't posted on yet and a bunch more yuck spots I am yet to post, so get in my thread. I'm I a dec little heater atm

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Ill have a look in a minute, he is probably a little elastic but not enough to make me go big, elastic doesn't coincide with your read of air tho, it's also worth considering we have sdv some air

Yeah you're right - I'm being results-oriented with the elastic part.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

What do you mean by "elastic?"

 

[Matt Vaughan]

If someone's range is elastic, it means that the range they call with varies based on the size of the bet they are facing. Ie they have hands they will call $X or less with, and hands they will call $Y or less with, and so on.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I'm in! good reading good luck!

Thanks!

 

[duggs]

As extremes, perfectly elastic would call 100% up until some size then fold 100% while perfectly in elastic will call the same amount to any bet size

 

[duggs]

Had one looks pretty unnecessary, I just fold flop tbh. As played river looks meh dunno why it's better than luff catching

Hand 2 I love it tbh, love flop check and turn bet, think river is close between betting and checking just because I dunno how likely to bluff he is and it's relatively easy for him to have a T or J

Hand 3 looks fine post, I want I 3bet for value v that guy tho.

Hand 4 pre is rough but it could be ok, post is fine

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Hand 1, I agree flop should prob be fold > call > raise. Maybe fold > call = raise. OTR, I actually tanked because I was gonna snap-call bluff-catch normal sizing, but then I was like, I'm at the bottom of my bluff-catching range, maybe I should be re-bluffing here sometimes in case he's betting Tx or JJ for value. But in retrospect I don't really rep any value combos, since I'd basically always lead the river instead. There's some value to not showing my hand, too, but I don't think it's enough.

Hand 2, good point OTR. In my mind it was not the best card because he can have backdoor hearts when I check the flop, but I guess that also makes it a pretty easy b/f and I think you're right that he's not folding any piece, really. Just decided to bluff-catch at the time because of how scary the board was.

Hand 3, he has a fairly high fold vs. 3b I believe - only reason I can think of for flatting pre.

Hand 4, you just want to fold to the 3bet and not cold-call? I definitely struggle with these types of spots pre, and very similar hands happened with TT or JJ pre like 3 times in the same session. Glad you are cool with postflop. I wanted to puke when the A hit and he checked, because it just smashes his range.

 

[duggs]

H3 Yea but limper calls a non zero and that will entice him along often enough

H4 yea I don't think folding pre would be strange at all, we have some value if they slow down on the flop but its largely just set mining with a possible 4bet coming

 

[Matt Vaughan]

H3: Good point.

H4: Yeah like I tanked pre with TT and similar spots. I feel that being IP might make it more of a call though. OOP I prob just throw it away.

 

[duggs]

Remember we still have the blinds to act as well and either can still have the top of their range. Button is probably best spot to be sitting, but in the soft games iv seen you in I don't think we have good equity at all

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Fair. About to reply in your Musings on Variance thread btw, and I think it'll shed some light.

 

[duggs]

Cliffs clt?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Just lol. Guy who wins this pot was a huge fish on my immediate right. He was $1,150 deep within a few hands of this pot, and I was $800 deep with him. He left within an orbit of this hand:

MP: 120 BB (VPIP: 27.69, PFR: 12.40, 3Bet Preflop: 3.08, Hands: 4,227)
MP+1: 295 BB (VPIP: 45.31, PFR: 7.81, 3Bet Preflop: 1.64, Hands: 128)
Hero (CO): 397.5 BB
BTN: 445 BB (VPIP: 34.88, PFR: 16.71, 3Bet Preflop: 8.09, Hands: 2,173)
SB: 197.5 BB (VPIP: 31.76, PFR: 21.07, 3Bet Preflop: 15.97, Hands: 319)
BB: 81 BB (VPIP: 29.36, PFR: 10.55, 3Bet Preflop: 1.05, Hands: 220)
UTG: 72 BB (VPIP: 35.78, PFR: 7.71, 3Bet Preflop: 2.71, Hands: 832)
UTG+1: 89 BB (VPIP: 15.28, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 506)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:spade: 2:heart:

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 12.5 BB, fold, MP+1 calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (26 BB, 2 players) 6:heart: 6:diamond: K:heart:
SB bets 13 BB, MP+1 calls 13 BB

Turn: (52 BB, 2 players) K:spade:
SB bets 20 BB, MP+1 calls 20 BB

River: (92 BB, 2 players) 6:club:
SB bets 152 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 152 BB

SB shows 4:heart: A:spade: (Full House, Sixes full of Kings) (Pre 54%, Flop 16%, Turn 0%)
MP+1 shows Q:diamond: K:diamond: (Full House, Kings full of Sixes) (Pre 46%, Flop 84%, Turn 100%)
MP+1 wins 378 BB

 

[duggs]

Is hit n run frowned on in these games?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Call me old fashioned, but I think in a more private setting where you're playing with the same people almost all the time, it's pretty standard to give a bit of warning that you're leaving. Particularly when you're mega-deep. Maybe that's just me though.

In any case, I've got a few hands to post from that session but probably won't until tomorrow or Friday when I should have time to actually comment on action/history and reply to people's thoughts.

 

[duggs]

Yea I give warning if its HU or someone bad that sits me all the time

 

[xdeucesx]

eff everyone imo. If i'm playing live with regs, I'll just hit n' run if there is a better table/fish/game sucks. I'm not going to sit -ev bc some reg got felted. I mean I'm probably in the minority here, but live at the nino I'll hit n run all day erry day if it's correct.

Private game: agree with scourrge

 

[Matt Vaughan]

For the love of god, some one help:

BB: 68 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 7.72, 3Bet Preflop: 3.94, Hands: 327)
UTG: 74.5 BB (VPIP: 33.11, PFR: 16.78, 3Bet Preflop: 4.96, Hands: 295)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.65, PFR: 16.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.35, Hands: 2,268)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.15, PFR: 18.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.83, Hands: 298)
MP+1: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 21.85, PFR: 9.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.31, Hands: 422)
CO: 85 BB (VPIP: 27.65, PFR: 12.49, 3Bet Preflop: 3.19, Hands: 4,328)
Hero (BTN): 188.5 BB
SB: 411 BB (VPIP: 35.06, PFR: 7.83, 3Bet Preflop: 3.26, Hands: 910)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: 3:club:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, SB calls 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (28 BB, 2 players) 2:club: 5:spade: 4:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 17.5 BB, SB calls 17.5 BB

Turn: (63 BB, 2 players) Q:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 40 BB, SB calls 40 BB

River: (143 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets 51 BB, SB raises to 342.5 BB and is all-in, fold


I was soooo close between checking back, jamming, and betting small. I just don't see how he ever doesn't have a boat here, but I'm feeling physically sick to my stomach.

 

[Mr Sandbag]

Why 3bet pre? 21/9, so it's not like he's raising wide.

We already discussed river.

check > bet >>>> jam

Checking is obviously the safest option and, against a player that looks to be tight, the best option. I'm not sure this particular player calls a river bet with like medium pairs. Jamming is horrible, IMO. There is no way we ever get called by non-boats.