Colbefc
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I am a UK F1 fan but I cant stand Lewis Hamilton, I agree with the above post that he acted like a petulant child today and usually acts like a spoilt brat. The first season he broke through I was impressed the way he handled himself but not amy more, yuck.
I know Hamilton is a great driver but give me Jensen Button anyday.
I am looking forward to seeing Rush myself, it looks good.
I know Hamilton is a great driver but give me Jensen Button anyday.
I am looking forward to seeing Rush myself, it looks good.
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
As I said in a previous post, if Webber has luck, he could win a championship, today was his lucky day and well driven. As I also said before, Karma is a b12ch, and MS is being repaid in spades.
Hamiltons actual post race comments.
McLaren
Lewis Hamilton (5th)
“I had a pretty poor start - I didn’t understand why that happened - and I was lucky not to get caught up in the first-corner crash. During the race, I struggled in the low-speed corners and found looking after the rear tyres tough. To make them last as long as we did, while trying to keep up with the pace of the guys in front, was one of the trickiest things I’ve had to do in a race. I lost time at my pitstop and gave away a place to Fernando, and then Sebastian was able to get past me after he made his own stop. After that, it was impossible to overtake. Today wasn’t the best result for me - I really dislike going backwards in a race - but I think I got everything I could out of the car. We came away with some points, and there are many more races ahead, but we’ve definitely got some work to do because, race by race, we’re struggling to keep up with the leaders. The other teams are picking up serious pace, too. We can’t let them pull away from us - but we’re a fantastic team, we’ll knuckle down together, and we’ll really push on now.”
Didn't sound 'petulant ' to me, the only comments I heard during the race, was that he wasn't sure about his tyres, and that some tools were dropping crap from the outer pit wall that hit him on the head. Everyone has there love hate relationship with manufacturers and drivers. For me, there's only 4, what I would call 'natural' drivers,. Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and Rosberg. comments?
Hamiltons actual post race comments.
McLaren
Lewis Hamilton (5th)
“I had a pretty poor start - I didn’t understand why that happened - and I was lucky not to get caught up in the first-corner crash. During the race, I struggled in the low-speed corners and found looking after the rear tyres tough. To make them last as long as we did, while trying to keep up with the pace of the guys in front, was one of the trickiest things I’ve had to do in a race. I lost time at my pitstop and gave away a place to Fernando, and then Sebastian was able to get past me after he made his own stop. After that, it was impossible to overtake. Today wasn’t the best result for me - I really dislike going backwards in a race - but I think I got everything I could out of the car. We came away with some points, and there are many more races ahead, but we’ve definitely got some work to do because, race by race, we’re struggling to keep up with the leaders. The other teams are picking up serious pace, too. We can’t let them pull away from us - but we’re a fantastic team, we’ll knuckle down together, and we’ll really push on now.”
Didn't sound 'petulant ' to me, the only comments I heard during the race, was that he wasn't sure about his tyres, and that some tools were dropping crap from the outer pit wall that hit him on the head. Everyone has there love hate relationship with manufacturers and drivers. For me, there's only 4, what I would call 'natural' drivers,. Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen and Rosberg. comments?
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JusSumguy
Chipmonger
Silver Level
FIA To Discuss Red Bull Controversy Monday
Red Bull's rivals are crying foul about a controversial hole in the floor of the RB8 in Monaco...
Protests against the controversial hole in the Red Bull floor failed to materialize after the Monaco GP, despite rival teams indicating that they are not happy with it.
The FIA approved the item when it first appeared on the car at the Bahrain GP, and it was not questioned in post-race scrutineering in Monaco. However, sources have told SPEED.com that the matter will be discussed at a meeting of the FIA Technical Working Group in Monaco Monday morning.
That will give the FIA and the teams an opportunity to discuss new evidence – in other words, the alternative interpretations presented by RBR’s rivals – and there is a possibility that the conclusion could be that Red Bull’s interpretation is wrong after all, and the floor will have to be changed in time for the next race in canada.
It’s not unusual for the FIA to adjust its opinions and declare a car part no longer legal without affecting past results.
The hole came to the notice of rival teams during the Monaco weekend, and McLaren wrote to Red Bull at 1:32 p.m. local time on Saturday, just prior to qualifying, expressing its opinion and giving the team a chance to change the car – something that clearly was not going to happen at such a late stage.
Red Bull could not then adjust the cars for the race due to parc ferme conditions.
Although McLaren and Ferrari clearly considered a protest – technical directors Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry met in the Ferrari truck after the race –the teams appear to have decided that it was in the best interests of the sport to not question the Webber win in the most prestigious race of the year, and in effect risk being seen as bad losers.
Mercedes boss Ross Brawn agreed that a post-race protest was bad form, telling SPEED.com: “We made out statements after people were querying out interpretations of the regulations, and I think there’s a time and place for it. But I can understand why people are agitated by it.
“I understand now that Red Bull were made aware of people’s concerns some time ago. As it’s explained to me, it doesn’t sound correct, but I haven’t heard Red Bull’s explanation.”
Meanwhile, McLaren’s Martin Whitmarsh said: “I think it will be sorted out shortly.”
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Author: Adam Cooper
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Red Bull's rivals are crying foul about a controversial hole in the floor of the RB8 in Monaco...
Protests against the controversial hole in the Red Bull floor failed to materialize after the Monaco GP, despite rival teams indicating that they are not happy with it.
The FIA approved the item when it first appeared on the car at the Bahrain GP, and it was not questioned in post-race scrutineering in Monaco. However, sources have told SPEED.com that the matter will be discussed at a meeting of the FIA Technical Working Group in Monaco Monday morning.
That will give the FIA and the teams an opportunity to discuss new evidence – in other words, the alternative interpretations presented by RBR’s rivals – and there is a possibility that the conclusion could be that Red Bull’s interpretation is wrong after all, and the floor will have to be changed in time for the next race in canada.
It’s not unusual for the FIA to adjust its opinions and declare a car part no longer legal without affecting past results.
The hole came to the notice of rival teams during the Monaco weekend, and McLaren wrote to Red Bull at 1:32 p.m. local time on Saturday, just prior to qualifying, expressing its opinion and giving the team a chance to change the car – something that clearly was not going to happen at such a late stage.
Red Bull could not then adjust the cars for the race due to parc ferme conditions.
Although McLaren and Ferrari clearly considered a protest – technical directors Paddy Lowe and Pat Fry met in the Ferrari truck after the race –the teams appear to have decided that it was in the best interests of the sport to not question the Webber win in the most prestigious race of the year, and in effect risk being seen as bad losers.
Mercedes boss Ross Brawn agreed that a post-race protest was bad form, telling SPEED.com: “We made out statements after people were querying out interpretations of the regulations, and I think there’s a time and place for it. But I can understand why people are agitated by it.
“I understand now that Red Bull were made aware of people’s concerns some time ago. As it’s explained to me, it doesn’t sound correct, but I haven’t heard Red Bull’s explanation.”
Meanwhile, McLaren’s Martin Whitmarsh said: “I think it will be sorted out shortly.”
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Author: Adam Cooper
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Pothole
Legend
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Red Bull RB8 - rear floor cut-outs 27 May 2012
In Monaco there was much discussion about the legality of the Red Bull's floor, with speculation that rival teams were considering lodging post-race protests (none ultimately did), despite the fact that Red Bull have been running the design since Bahrain with the blessing of the FIA scrutineers. Discussion surrounded the rectangular 'hole' in the floor situated in front of the RB8's rear wheels (red arrow in left-hand drawing). Article 3.12.5 of the sport's technical regulations states that, "All parts lying on the reference and step planes, in addition to the transition between the two planes, must produce uniform, solid, hard, continuous, rigid (no degree of freedom in relation to the body/chassis unit), impervious surfaces under all circumstances." Talk focussed on whether the cut-out on the Red Bull constitutes an enclosed 'hole', hence meaning the floor is not 'impervious', as opposed to the cut-outs in similar places on the Sauber (red arrow in right-hand drawing) and Ferrari, for example, which are open at the floor's edge.
In Monaco there was much discussion about the legality of the Red Bull's floor, with speculation that rival teams were considering lodging post-race protests (none ultimately did), despite the fact that Red Bull have been running the design since Bahrain with the blessing of the FIA scrutineers. Discussion surrounded the rectangular 'hole' in the floor situated in front of the RB8's rear wheels (red arrow in left-hand drawing). Article 3.12.5 of the sport's technical regulations states that, "All parts lying on the reference and step planes, in addition to the transition between the two planes, must produce uniform, solid, hard, continuous, rigid (no degree of freedom in relation to the body/chassis unit), impervious surfaces under all circumstances." Talk focussed on whether the cut-out on the Red Bull constitutes an enclosed 'hole', hence meaning the floor is not 'impervious', as opposed to the cut-outs in similar places on the Sauber (red arrow in right-hand drawing) and Ferrari, for example, which are open at the floor's edge.
Pascal-lf
Legend
Silver Level
watched all the races this season and something at monaco just has to change, the race was a complete anti-climax waiting for rain, lack of overtaking or any real challenging for moving up positions and one stop strategies didn't help at all
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
*shrugs*
That's Monaco - it's been that way for as long as I've been watching the sport, yet it wouldn't be Formula 1 without it on the calendar. Given the nature of the place there's nothing much they can do to change it.
Of course he sounds more measured when he's out of the car and he's got his media rep handy. And what about his "where were you guys on that one?" outburst in the car when he got jumped by Vettel at the pitstops? You simply don't hear any other driver do the amount of pointless whinging that Hamilton does on air, and you definitely don't hear them do it with the same tone as Hamilton.
As for naturally talented drivers, I think Vettel and Michael are missing off the list. Guys like Webber and Button strike me more as expert technicians than 'naturals'
That's Monaco - it's been that way for as long as I've been watching the sport, yet it wouldn't be Formula 1 without it on the calendar. Given the nature of the place there's nothing much they can do to change it.
Of course he sounds more measured when he's out of the car and he's got his media rep handy. And what about his "where were you guys on that one?" outburst in the car when he got jumped by Vettel at the pitstops? You simply don't hear any other driver do the amount of pointless whinging that Hamilton does on air, and you definitely don't hear them do it with the same tone as Hamilton.
As for naturally talented drivers, I think Vettel and Michael are missing off the list. Guys like Webber and Button strike me more as expert technicians than 'naturals'
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Boring on TV I agree, but an exciting race, ( blame the TV director, rarely showed any pics of outside the top 6 ). Valencia, a disaster for most teams, Vettel and Grosjean breaking down, Hamilton t-boned by Maldonado ( hope the dik gets a grid spot penalty at Silverstone ) and Shui finally beating his team mate and getting a podium spot. Crazy race all around.
oacnaf
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Yeah I agree the race was insane! Hello everyone, I'm new to these forums but am an avid F1 fan and will be posting here from time to time.. Great people on here, smart conversation, glad to be a part of it..
Anyways back to my thoughts on last weekends race. First off, Lewis is my boy, hes my pick this year to win the title, and my favorite driver, so if my views on him seem a little bias, you now know why.. The incident with 3 laps left was, in my opinion, completely avoidable and should have resulted in a Maldonado DSQ.. Hamiltons car was clearly ahead, maintaining his line through a quick little section of the turns there, and Maldonado (while Hamilton had already started to make his turn, committing to it 100%) drove head-first into an area the size of a shoebox, making the contact with the broad side of Hamiltons car.. it wasn't a glancing sort of shunt that CAN happen in that section of turns, leading to spin outs a majority of the time. This was a full on plow, up and away..
Anyways, its like 4am and I'm still a little tipsy I should know better then to rant on CC this late hahaha
Anyways back to my thoughts on last weekends race. First off, Lewis is my boy, hes my pick this year to win the title, and my favorite driver, so if my views on him seem a little bias, you now know why.. The incident with 3 laps left was, in my opinion, completely avoidable and should have resulted in a Maldonado DSQ.. Hamiltons car was clearly ahead, maintaining his line through a quick little section of the turns there, and Maldonado (while Hamilton had already started to make his turn, committing to it 100%) drove head-first into an area the size of a shoebox, making the contact with the broad side of Hamiltons car.. it wasn't a glancing sort of shunt that CAN happen in that section of turns, leading to spin outs a majority of the time. This was a full on plow, up and away..
Anyways, its like 4am and I'm still a little tipsy I should know better then to rant on CC this late hahaha
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
So here's something I never expected to see as a Ferrari fan at the start of the season: Alonso leading the championship!
Not a particularly interesting race last night, though I did get a good few chuckles out of Lewis Hamilton's radio communications. A puncture on the second lap is "sorry guys we're done for the afternoon"?!?
Not a particularly interesting race last night, though I did get a good few chuckles out of Lewis Hamilton's radio communications. A puncture on the second lap is "sorry guys we're done for the afternoon"?!?
C
ChuckyEgg
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yeah, well, driving it he realized there was a lot more wrong with the car than just a puncture. He was proven to be right.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Maybe, but once he'd had his whinge and gotten over it he managed to match the leaders' pace and even unlap himself.
I suppose I'm biased, but because of his attitude I find it ever so amusing when misfortune strikes him
I suppose I'm biased, but because of his attitude I find it ever so amusing when misfortune strikes him
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
I find it ever so amusing when misfortune strikes him
please explain.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
No much to explain, really - bad stuff happens to him, and I just can't help but laugh
Being a Ferrari fan I'm naturally a bit biased against McLaren but I've never had the same reaction to Jenson, or any of their other drivers in the past 15 or so years that I've been following the sport. Nor do I have the same reaction to any other driver on any other team in the current field.
I get that he's supremely talented and he really wants to win, but I guess I just figure a world champion should be a lot more mature and a bit less of a whining brat.
Being a Ferrari fan I'm naturally a bit biased against McLaren but I've never had the same reaction to Jenson, or any of their other drivers in the past 15 or so years that I've been following the sport. Nor do I have the same reaction to any other driver on any other team in the current field.
I get that he's supremely talented and he really wants to win, but I guess I just figure a world champion should be a lot more mature and a bit less of a whining brat.
Pothole
Legend
Silver Level
Serve the jerk right. Grid penalties for Maldonado too.
Lotus’s Romain Grosjean has been given a one-race ban after the stewards at Spa-Francorchamps judged him to be responsible for causing the first-corner accident at the start of Sunday’s 2012 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix.
The ban means Grosjean will miss next weekend’s Italian event, which takes place at Monza from September 7-9. He has also been fined 50,000 euros.
“The stewards regard this incident as an extremely serious breach of the regulations which had the potential to cause injury to others," said a statement released by the FIA. “It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race.
"The stewards note the team conceded the action of the driver was an extremely serious mistake and an error of judgement. Neither the team nor the driver made any submission in mitigation of penalty.”
Grosjean made contact with the McLaren of Lewis Hamilton as they made their way from the start line to the first corner of the race. The ensuing collision involved Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso and the Saubers of Kamui Kobayashi and Sergio Perez.
Although Grosjean, Alonso, Hamilton and Perez were all eliminated from the race, Kobayashi managed to continue and eventually finished in 13th.
Lotus can install a replacement driver for the Monza race. Their reserve is former Marussia driver Jerome D'Ambrosio.
Lotus’s Romain Grosjean has been given a one-race ban after the stewards at Spa-Francorchamps judged him to be responsible for causing the first-corner accident at the start of Sunday’s 2012 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix.
The ban means Grosjean will miss next weekend’s Italian event, which takes place at Monza from September 7-9. He has also been fined 50,000 euros.
“The stewards regard this incident as an extremely serious breach of the regulations which had the potential to cause injury to others," said a statement released by the FIA. “It eliminated leading championship contenders from the race.
"The stewards note the team conceded the action of the driver was an extremely serious mistake and an error of judgement. Neither the team nor the driver made any submission in mitigation of penalty.”
Grosjean made contact with the McLaren of Lewis Hamilton as they made their way from the start line to the first corner of the race. The ensuing collision involved Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso and the Saubers of Kamui Kobayashi and Sergio Perez.
Although Grosjean, Alonso, Hamilton and Perez were all eliminated from the race, Kobayashi managed to continue and eventually finished in 13th.
Lotus can install a replacement driver for the Monza race. Their reserve is former Marussia driver Jerome D'Ambrosio.
t1tpfdc
Legend
Loyaler
Very disturbing that Alonso sat in his car for such a long time after the incident. Could have been very nasty. Good that all drivers could walk away from it! I'd say Grosjean got a minimum penalty there.
The Sky commentators had an interesting discussion about Maldonado. The team is very well aware of his shortcomings in many situations, but he brings so much money to the team that he will be around for quite a while.
The Sky commentators had an interesting discussion about Maldonado. The team is very well aware of his shortcomings in many situations, but he brings so much money to the team that he will be around for quite a while.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Yeah, I'd say he got off pretty light there - and it was definitely scary as hell the amount of time Alonso spent just sitting in the car before getting himself out.
Other than that there was some awesome action in this race... it just wasn't at the front. Expertly measured drive by Button.
Other than that there was some awesome action in this race... it just wasn't at the front. Expertly measured drive by Button.
C
Chemist
Legend
Silver Level
Not a great weekend for Maldonado, and next weekend won't be much better because of the repercussions.
Pastor Maldonado will lose ten places on the grid at the Italian Grand Prix.
He was handed two five-placed penalties following the Belgian Grand Prix.
They were for jumping the start and causing a collision with Timo Glock at the restart which led to Maldonado’s retirement.
Maldonado received a total of three penalties during the race weekend having been docked three places on the grid for impeding Nico Hulkenberg during qualifying.
What was Grosjean thinking or perhaps he wasn't. Really no need for it, and just why? Surely it wasn't deliberate, but its just so strange, so why?
But what is it with the penalties bandwagon. I've seen worse.
Vettel's reckless early years. Schumacher slamming Massa into a wall.
Even Schumacher deliberately taking himself and an opponent out so he could win a championship, and that was called good tactics albeit unsportsmanship back in the good old days.
Many championships have been ruined and adversely affected by the actions of non contenders.
But that's as much a part of racing as bad beats are of poker.
But it was a shame that the promising starting grid positions at Spa weren't able to provide the great race they should have and Red Bull once again continued to be the beneficiary of the extraneous disturbances. Also a shame that Schumacher and Massa weren't able to make more of the opportunity.
And of course poor old Sauber, what a disappointment for them.
Pastor Maldonado will lose ten places on the grid at the Italian Grand Prix.
He was handed two five-placed penalties following the Belgian Grand Prix.
They were for jumping the start and causing a collision with Timo Glock at the restart which led to Maldonado’s retirement.
Maldonado received a total of three penalties during the race weekend having been docked three places on the grid for impeding Nico Hulkenberg during qualifying.
What was Grosjean thinking or perhaps he wasn't. Really no need for it, and just why? Surely it wasn't deliberate, but its just so strange, so why?
But what is it with the penalties bandwagon. I've seen worse.
Vettel's reckless early years. Schumacher slamming Massa into a wall.
Even Schumacher deliberately taking himself and an opponent out so he could win a championship, and that was called good tactics albeit unsportsmanship back in the good old days.
Many championships have been ruined and adversely affected by the actions of non contenders.
But that's as much a part of racing as bad beats are of poker.
But it was a shame that the promising starting grid positions at Spa weren't able to provide the great race they should have and Red Bull once again continued to be the beneficiary of the extraneous disturbances. Also a shame that Schumacher and Massa weren't able to make more of the opportunity.
And of course poor old Sauber, what a disappointment for them.
beardyian
Scary Clown
Silver Level
Ex-Formula 1 driver Alex Zanardi wins Paralympic Gold in the HandCycling Time Trial - 11 years after losing both legs in a crash.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/19493510
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/19493510