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[WVHillbilly]

“In New York State, it has been held that the Commission may review video evidence in order to meet its obligation to render correct determinations and act in the best interest of the sport.

This line right here is in direct opposition to everything said during the fight. If this is, in fact, the case, I no longer have any issue with the ruling. I do however wonder how it is that all 3 announcers were so dead set that there was NO REPLAY ALLOWED in NY if that was not the case?

 

[Sil3ntness]

Wow I didn't even realize Lorenz Larkin went to Bellator last month. So many talented fighters leaving the UFC. I feel like Mousasi is going to leave as well.

 

[OzExorcist]

This line right here is in direct opposition to everything said during the fight. If this is, in fact, the case, I no longer have any issue with the ruling. I do however wonder how it is that all 3 announcers were so dead set that there was NO REPLAY ALLOWED in NY if that was not the case?

Yeah you'd think if this was the case then everyone involved - especially, y'know, the fighters and their coaches, should have been made aware of it.

As it is, this sounds a lot more like New York commission gonna New York commission, pulling stuff out of their butts like their response to Towelgate earlier in the week...

 

[Cdub512]

If Jacare or Mousasi leave for Bellator, that's a big blow to the Middleweight Division for the UFC. I bet they think that those 2 guys aren't marketable, even though they are top fighters. They might be right. I miss the old days where fights were only based on who was better, regardless of marketability.

The question for this weekend is, what round will Mighty Mouse win in? If Reis wins, that would be one of the biggest upsets in recent memory.

 

[WVHillbilly]

If Jacare or Mousasi leave for Bellator, that's a big blow to the Middleweight Division for the UFC. I bet they think that those 2 guys aren't marketable, even though they are top fighters. They might be right. I miss the old days where fights were only based on who was better, regardless of marketability.

The question for this weekend is, what round will Mighty Mouse win in? If Reis wins, that would be one of the biggest upsets in recent memory.

1st round TKO.

 

[underdog140]

B.J. vs Denis Siver ...

Does B.J. have anything left ?

 

[OzExorcist]

B.J. vs Denis Siver ...

Does B.J. have anything left ?

In a word? Nope.

*jumps in a time machine and goes back five years*

Still nope.

Sad.

I honestly don't understand how the UFC keep giving him fights. They put their foot down and got guys like Chuck Liddell to quit when it was obvious they were shot. They even finally let Bigfoot Silva go. Letting BJ Penn keep trotting out to get his brain scrambled is just depressing.

 

[underdog140]

I hope your wrong.

I still haven't watched the last B.J. vs Edgar fight.

 

[OzExorcist]

I hope your wrong.

I still haven't watched the last B.J. vs Edgar fight.

I'm not.

I mean, there's some kind of chance he could beat Denis Siver: Siver is just as old as Penn, he'll be coming off a two-year layoff by the time this fight rolls around, and he's easily the worst fighter Penn has taken on in... gawd I dunno, maybe ever?

But that said, WTF would beating someone like Denis Siver prove? Even if Penn wins, it's hardly proof that he's got another title run in him or that he's still "got it".

The BJ Penn that turned up for Edgar-Penn 3 was pathetic, tentative, weird and flat-out depressing. Kenny Florian on commentary was legitimately confused as to WTF Penn was even trying to do. It was horrific.

He at least abandoned the ridiculous up on tippy-toes approach for the Rodriguez fight earlier this year, and he looked OK for maybe the first couple of minutes. Rodriguez still styled on him though, and Penn looked like he had no business being in the cage against a legit UFC fighter.

 

[underdog140]

Denis Siver is underrated IMO. A win over him isn't completely meaningless.

I think he has a little left. I still believe he can string together a couple wins if the right opponents are picked and possibly get that one last big fight. That would be a successful come back in my eyes.

Denis Siver , Maynard , Guida .... these are the guys he should be focusing on. Possibly a Gomi rematch or Diego. Named guys that were around during his time as champion. And of course an eventual fight with NicK ( who ) Lentz would stir some interest as well. B.J. vs Nate if B.J. can string a win or two together would be a big seller.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Denis Siver is underrated IMO. A win over him isn't completely meaningless.

I think he has a little left. I still believe he can string together a couple wins if the right opponents are picked and possibly get that one last big fight. That would be a successful come back in my eyes.

Denis Siver , Maynard , Guida .... these are the guys he should be focusing on. Possibly a Gomi rematch or Diego. Named guys that were around during his time as champion. And of course an eventual fight with NicK ( who ) Lentz would stir some interest as well. B.J. vs Nate if B.J. can string a win or two together would be a big seller.

He's done, imo. I mean I think this Siver fight is as much about giving him the best chance to go out on a win as anything (and I still doubt he gets it done). I think he's just another fighter that is trying to go way too long and that rarely ends well.

Imo Dana should have put a stop to this by now. Maybe he can go fight random old-timers in Bellator if he just can't stop but keeping him around the UFC is becoming a joke.

 

[underdog140]

I don't agree with the keeping him around the UFC is becoming a Joke comment. Look at who he has fought. A downgrade in opponent is what is needed and what was needed long before this fight.

He seems to pick the toughest opponent possible that he can get everytime. But that is why he has so many fans. There aren't many fighters like him left. Most are worried about that big money fight ... looking for easier match ups ect.

I doubt B.J. retires if he beats Siver. It is likely we see him vs. another old timer I previously mentioned or maby the Lentz talk will pick up again.

 

[OzExorcist]

Denis Siver is underrated IMO. A win over him isn't completely meaningless.

I think he has a little left. I still believe he can string together a couple wins if the right opponents are picked and possibly get that one last big fight. That would be a successful come back in my eyes.

Denis Siver , Maynard , Guida .... these are the guys he should be focusing on. Possibly a Gomi rematch or Diego. Named guys that were around during his time as champion. And of course an eventual fight with NicK ( who ) Lentz would stir some interest as well. B.J. vs Nate if B.J. can string a win or two together would be a big seller.

So Denis Siver is 38, a former drug cheat, and coming off a two-year layoff.

I don't even know who you'd classify as his "best" win - there certainly isn't a signature one in there. The list of people he's lost to is much more telling though: McGregor, Swanson, Cerrone, Maynard... Siver is basically a jobber. He's the guy you bring in when you want a better, more popular fighter to bank a win.

I don't think less of him for that, but he is what he is: a journeyman card-filler. So let's not go crazy here about Siver being "underrated". He's in this fight because he's a guy Penn could beat.

Actually I think that should tell you absolutely everything you need to know about Penn right now. If the best we can say about him is that he "could" beat a 38-year-old Denis Siver, then for all intents and purposes he's shot.

As for working his way back into a match with Nate Diaz? I mean... I got the impression you liked BJ Penn, why would you wish that horrible fate upon him?!?

Seriously, go fire up Fight Pass and watch Edgar-Penn 3. Then come back and tell me that you really want to see an even older BJ Penn get smacked around by a much bigger, in his prime Nate Diaz? I'd be amazed if Diaz would even agree to it.

Imo Dana should have put a stop to this by now. Maybe he can go fight random old-timers in Bellator if he just can't stop but keeping him around the UFC is becoming a joke.

Actually... this is a really sad thought, but I wonder if they're giving him fights just because the UFC knows that if they don't, Bellator will?

 

[WVHillbilly]

Actually... this is a really sad thought, but I wonder if they're giving him fights just because the UFC knows that if they don't, Bellator will?

It's possible, but I'd like to think it's more that they want him to go out on his own terms,

 

[underdog140]

So Denis Siver is 38, a former drug cheat, and coming off a two-year layoff.

I don't even know who you'd classify as his "best" win - there certainly isn't a signature one in there. The list of people he's lost to is much more telling though: McGregor, Swanson, Cerrone, Maynard... Siver is basically a jobber. He's the guy you bring in when you want a better, more popular fighter to bank a win.

I don't think less of him for that, but he is what he is: a journeyman card-filler. So let's not go crazy here about Siver being "underrated". He's in this fight because he's a guy Penn could beat.

Actually I think that should tell you absolutely everything you need to know about Penn right now. If the best we can say about him is that he "could" beat a 38-year-old Denis Siver, then for all intents and purposes he's shot.

As for working his way back into a match with Nate Diaz? I mean... I got the impression you liked BJ Penn, why would you wish that horrible fate upon him?!?

Seriously, go fire up Fight Pass and watch Edgar-Penn 3. Then come back and tell me that you really want to see an even older BJ Penn get smacked around by a much bigger, in his prime Nate Diaz? I'd be amazed if Diaz would even agree to it.



Actually... this is a really sad thought, but I wonder if they're giving him fights just because the UFC knows that if they don't, Bellator will?

It is my own personal opinion Denis Siver is underrated. I thought that long before this match up. He was in the top ten on more then one occasion. I am not saying he is a top elite fighter. Just that he is underrated. Yes he is 38 and on a long lay-off. B.J. has a total of 27 seconds in the octagon since 2014 and is also 38.

Yes I am a fan of B.J. I am also a fan of Denis Siver.

Nate is a lesser version of Nick. And despite what some like to say Nick didn't destroy B.J.

B.J. Won the first round and then gassed. A more in shape B.J. beats Nick that night.

 

[oriole]

Chael vs Wanderlei, who you got? Chaels last performance against Tito was awful, but he did take down Wanderlei in seconds with flipflops on TUF.

 

[FastOne]

Looks like tonight's card will be entertaining. Some nice fights in there.

Chael vs Wanderlei, who you got? Chaels last performance against Tito was awful, but he did take down Wanderlei in seconds with flipflops on TUF.

I honestly hope it'll be a good fight, but I think it'll be fast and boring.

 

[underdog140]

I was picking Chael before I seen his last performance. It's a toss up for me.

It likely depends on what version of Wanderlei shows up.

Supplement free ?

 

[oriole]

Chael doesn't look like he's on steroids anymore, but Wanderlei on the other hand...

 

[OzExorcist]

Nate is a lesser version of Nick. And despite what some like to say Nick didn't destroy B.J.

B.J. Won the first round and then gassed. A more in shape B.J. beats Nick that night.

We're obviously on very different pages when it comes to 2017 BJ Penn. The guy is objectively shot. Clear as day. Has no business fighting current high-level fighters.

At this stage he's just one of those sad cases we see over and over again of fighters who should have quit years ago, but can't or won't for some reason. He's not the first one to fall victim to this - hell, if it can happen to Muhammad Ali it can happen to anyone.

But by all means, go on thinking it's not the case just because he might have won a round against Nick Diaz six years ago.

You can be a fan of the guy without having to think that he could still be world champion you know...

It likely depends on what version of Wanderlei shows up.

Supplement free ?

Chael doesn't look like he's on steroids anymore, but Wanderlei on the other hand...

Erm... guys this fight is happening in Bellator. They DGAF if the fighters juice, especially in their "legends division". Plus the fight is happening in New York, under the same commission that just let Daniel Cormier make weight by leaning on a towel.

If either of them want to juice they absolutely can.

 

[underdog140]

We're obviously on very different pages when it comes to 2017 BJ Penn. The guy is objectively shot. Clear as day. Has no business fighting current high-level fighters.

At this stage he's just one of those sad cases we see over and over again of fighters who should have quit years ago, but can't or won't for some reason. He's not the first one to fall victim to this - hell, if it can happen to Muhammad Ali it can happen to anyone.

Don't get me wrong. He certainly is long past his prime. Being fan of his and the old guard in general .. I will hold out some hope that he can have some success still.

But by all means, go on thinking it's not the case just because he might have won a round against Nick Diaz six years ago.

I am not saying he will win because he won around against Nick Diaz six years ago. Just that a B.J. vs Nate Diaz fight would do some decent numbers. More so if the fight happened a year or two after the Diaz loss.

You can be a fan of the guy without having to think that he could still be world champion you know...

I never said he would be world champion. I said if he can string a win or two together and get one last big fight that would be a successful comeback in my eyes.

Erm... guys this fight is happening in Bellator. They DGAF if the fighters juice, especially in their "legends division". Plus the fight is happening in New York, under the same commission that just let Daniel Cormier make weight by leaning on a towel.

If either of them want to juice they absolutely can.

I disagree. Alexander Shlemenko got a 3 years suspension.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/6/2...der-shlemenko-suspended-three-years-fined-10k

I doubt Chael risks getting caught again. He didn't look to be on anything for the Tito fight.

Doesn't Chael have an agreement and has to pay Bellator a sizable fine if he is caught again. I thought I read articles on that when he first signed ?

 

[OzExorcist]

I am not saying he will win because he won around against Nick Diaz six years ago. Just that a B.J. vs Nate Diaz fight would do some decent numbers. More so if the fight happened a year or two after the Diaz loss.

Yeah BJ v Nate would probably do decent numbers because there's apparently a large portion of the MMA audience that'll happily watch just about anything if it involves someone they've heard of him before. Even someone who has no business being in the cage in their current condition and almost dies of a heart attack or risks serious brain injury.

Please please please BJ, just retire. For reals this time.

I disagree. Alexander Shlemenko got a 3 years suspension.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/6/2...der-shlemenko-suspended-three-years-fined-10k

I doubt Chael risks getting caught again. He didn't look to be on anything for the Tito fight.

Doesn't Chael have an agreement and has to pay Bellator a sizable fine if he is caught again. I thought I read articles on that when he first signed ?

Yeah that's a one-off case, from a fight in California. But cases like the last Shamrock / Slice fights are more the norm for them:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/2...k-both-test-positive-for-steroids-at-bellator

Both guys popped in their pre-fight tests, but fought anyway and were basically given a slap on the wrist because they made the fight in Texas, where the commission doesn't take this stuff anywhere near as seriously as California (or even Nevada).

Bellator doesn't do its own drug testing, it just goes with whatever the commission wants to do. As in, the same insufficient/incompetent system that caused the UFC to bring in USADA.

The upcoming Bellator card we're talking about is under the jurisdiction of the New York commission and... well... let's just say their track record isn't good. Towelgate was just the latest in a long line of bizarro stuff they've let slide.

You're right BTW, Sonnen claims he loses 100% of his purse and faces a $500,000 fine from the company if he fails a drug test in Bellator. The skeptic in me wants to point out that "not failing a test" and "not juicing" are very different things, but anywho: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/9/1...es-100-percent-of-purse-and-faces-500000-fine

 

[Blackout09]

Cant wait for Frankie Edgar vs Yair Rodriguez, should be a good fight.

 

[oriole]

Cant wait for Frankie Edgar vs Yair Rodriguez, should be a good fight.

I hope Yair will win. He's super fun to watch.

 

[Blackout09]

I hope Yair will win. He's super fun to watch.

Im a fan of both. Im also pulling For Yair, though i wouldn't mind Frankie winning.