Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
Great event with some serious drama!!
Whew, CM Punk got a bit of a reality check didn't he? Takes more than two years of training to step into that octagon, even against an unknown entity like Gall.
If he is serious about staying in the sport he needs to get himself a few fights on the regional circuits. Considering his age, its doubtful we'll see him in the UFC again. Unless maybe the UFC organises a fight between him and Mike Jackson. Which wouldn't surpriseme in the least!!
He was something of a sacrificial lamb for the UFC's PPV figures. A lot of people who should have known better, gave him a lot of bad advice and poor guidance. Sure we can dress it up and say he showed great heart in stepping into the cage at all but he could have easily chosen to make his debut in a small promotions show. His own ego and vanity, combined with the UFC's greed was his undoing in the end.
Hope he sticks with it though, for his own sake.
Whew, CM Punk got a bit of a reality check didn't he? Takes more than two years of training to step into that octagon, even against an unknown entity like Gall.
If he is serious about staying in the sport he needs to get himself a few fights on the regional circuits. Considering his age, its doubtful we'll see him in the UFC again. Unless maybe the UFC organises a fight between him and Mike Jackson. Which wouldn't surpriseme in the least!!
He was something of a sacrificial lamb for the UFC's PPV figures. A lot of people who should have known better, gave him a lot of bad advice and poor guidance. Sure we can dress it up and say he showed great heart in stepping into the cage at all but he could have easily chosen to make his debut in a small promotions show. His own ego and vanity, combined with the UFC's greed was his undoing in the end.
Hope he sticks with it though, for his own sake.
KUN_AGUERO_KROOS
Legend
Platinum Level
that was a very weird event.
I felt like I was watching Bellator or something.
Werdum was on somekind of heavy drug. flopping the whole fight, kicking Edmond and saying that he deserves a title shot after that shitty decision win over a fighter nobody cares about.
Alistair literally running during the fight and saying that he felt Stipe tapping.
and of course CM Punk getting destroyed.
Dana looked like he gained a lot of weight after selling the company.
So it looked like he didn't give a damn about the event being bizarre like it was.
I felt like I was watching Bellator or something.
Werdum was on somekind of heavy drug. flopping the whole fight, kicking Edmond and saying that he deserves a title shot after that shitty decision win over a fighter nobody cares about.
Alistair literally running during the fight and saying that he felt Stipe tapping.
and of course CM Punk getting destroyed.
Dana looked like he gained a lot of weight after selling the company.
So it looked like he didn't give a damn about the event being bizarre like it was.
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underdog140
Legend
Silver Level
Punk said ( not exact words ) that his plan was to start at the bottom but the opportunity to fight for the UFC presented itself and he would have been crazy to say no.
I think we see Punk in one more UFC event. If the UFC was smart they would find someone he could beat and milk him for a couple more events. Maby they set up Punk vs Green Ranger. That would still sell. But if he loses again that will be it for his UFC days. Bellator might pick him up if he still wants to fight ( and by the sounds of it, he does ). He showed some skill ( escaping a sub ) and toughness. He doesn't belong skill wise in the big show but he is rich and famous and that granted him his first shot and most likely will grant him a second chance.. Give him someone at his skill level and reek the rewards of larger PPV buys.
Werdum looked soft compared to usual but his flopping on his butt and falling down is something he does in fights. It is how ended the Fedor streak. He done it when in Strikeforce against Overeem making for a boring fight because Overeem wasn't falling for his trap.
I think we see Punk in one more UFC event. If the UFC was smart they would find someone he could beat and milk him for a couple more events. Maby they set up Punk vs Green Ranger. That would still sell. But if he loses again that will be it for his UFC days. Bellator might pick him up if he still wants to fight ( and by the sounds of it, he does ). He showed some skill ( escaping a sub ) and toughness. He doesn't belong skill wise in the big show but he is rich and famous and that granted him his first shot and most likely will grant him a second chance.. Give him someone at his skill level and reek the rewards of larger PPV buys.
Werdum looked soft compared to usual but his flopping on his butt and falling down is something he does in fights. It is how ended the Fedor streak. He done it when in Strikeforce against Overeem making for a boring fight because Overeem wasn't falling for his trap.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
We'll have to wait and see I guess, but apparently the numbers for all the web series before the event (embedded, his doco, etc) were well above normal viewership numbers and that's usually an indicator that an event's PPVs will do pretty well.
As for how the fight went... pretty much as expected right?
I agree BTW, can't blame him for taking the fight and the money when the UFC offered it to him.
In other news Tarverdyan is so effing bad.
andyt5303
Rock Star
Silver Level
I was crying at the end of the second round when his voice was cracking, I couldn't take him seriously. He really does seem like a genuine a**hole. Werdum did seem a bit wild the whole night but Tarverdyan had no right going in his face like that, he wasn't being disrespective to browne's corner, he was just embracing the boos from the Cleveland fans. He's always looked a bit awkward/ uncomfortable since ronda got her head kicked off if you ask me.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Yeah I think before Ronda's loss nobody really noticed him - she was the only high-profile fighter he was training, and her fights were all over so quickly you never heard much from him or had anything of substance to judge his coaching on.
That all changed with the Holm loss, and the terrible advice he was giving her in that fight. It also showed up the big holes in his training methods and understanding of the game.
...and now we've got Travis Browne, another high profile fighter training under him who's gotten demonstrably worse since moving to his camp
That all changed with the Holm loss, and the terrible advice he was giving her in that fight. It also showed up the big holes in his training methods and understanding of the game.
...and now we've got Travis Browne, another high profile fighter training under him who's gotten demonstrably worse since moving to his camp
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
So early estimates are in and it sounds like he did pretty well with the PPV sales:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattcon...e-drawing-power-among-mma-elite/#334363493921
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/9/1...uy-rate-estimate-doubled-star-wwe-vs-mma-news
Not quite at McGregor or Rousey levels, but about double Miocic's previous headline effort / around the same level as an "average" Jon Jones PPV it seems.
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underdog140
Legend
Silver Level
http://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/cm-punk/report-cm-punk-doubled-ufc-203s-ppv-revenue/
Dave Meltzer,
The event might have done over 800,000 PPV according to the articles above. Punk might have tripled the viewers. I bet Dana changed his view about that second chance punk wants.
Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
Regardless of PPV numbers, it would be negligent in the extreme of the UFC and the relevant Athletic Commisons to allow that man compete in the UFC again.
With his lack of training and skill, he could very easily be seriously injured.
With his lack of training and skill, he could very easily be seriously injured.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
I suppose they could find another guy about the same size in his late thirties who only started training 18 months ago and has a horrific injury history... but I just wonder, has the question been answered now?
Did people tune in just because it was CM Punk, or did they tune in to see if CM Punk could actually do this? Would they watch again, knowing that he's probably going to get his ass kicked again in the first couple of minutes? It's a tough one.
Did people tune in just because it was CM Punk, or did they tune in to see if CM Punk could actually do this? Would they watch again, knowing that he's probably going to get his ass kicked again in the first couple of minutes? It's a tough one.
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underdog140
Legend
Silver Level
I think the majority of extra PPV buys he brought ( which would mainly be WWE fans ) tuned in just because it was CM Punk. And they will tune in again if his name is attached to a card. If they were big enough fans of his to not only follow him to a new sport but to dish out $60 to see him do so..... then they will do so again.
It was one sided but it isn't anything we haven't seen before. Randy C. vs James Toney come to mind.
What if he was put on The Ultimate Fighter ? From what I read about the show, it needs viewers and Punk will bring that.
Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
Thats one instance where we have seen something vaguely similar. Not like its happening regularly.
Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
They could do that and yes he would get ratings, but he'd be in the house with 11 or 15 guys just like Mickey Gall. Probably everything from BJJ blackbelts to Muay Thai world champs. Hungry talented young pro's that will rip him apart in training, never mind what they would do to him in his one and only fight in the show.
In fact considering his age, physical condition and the calibre of fighters that are usually on TUF, I doubt he would make it to the cage without getting hurt. I doubt he would actually get to even fight at all.
SMD Jabroni
Rock Star
Silver Level
but if they put him on the tv show, he would still be there every episode giving the fans what they want. just talking and competing in those dumb challenges they do.
and they could even make his fight one of the last fights of the season.
that would be the best way to further milk him for all he is worth.
and they could even make his fight one of the last fights of the season.
that would be the best way to further milk him for all he is worth.
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underdog140
Legend
Silver Level
Ronda Rousey vs Cat Zingano
I am sure the UFC can Purposely put someone on the show that Punk at least has a 50 % shot at beating and make that his fight. Make it one of the last fights possible. Then keep him on the show for ratings.
If he somehow manages to win his first fight, it will be reason enough to have him on one more PPV.
Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
What dumb challenges do you mean?
If you mean the coaches challenge, that only happens once every season. The fighters dont take part in ANY challenges.
They could indeed have his fight near the end of the prelim rounds but like I said previously its unlikely he would even make it that far without getting injured in training.
Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
Guys he's a complete dud. Even DW said his next fight should not be in the UFC.
And how would they even spin a season of TUF to involve a fighter that is already signed to the UFC. The whole point of the show is that its for guys who AREN'T in the UFC. Punk already is.
There was the rare exception, which was season 6 i think where guys got a second shot but that was one season out of over 30 TUF shows so far.
And how would they even spin a season of TUF to involve a fighter that is already signed to the UFC. The whole point of the show is that its for guys who AREN'T in the UFC. Punk already is.
There was the rare exception, which was season 6 i think where guys got a second shot but that was one season out of over 30 TUF shows so far.
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underdog140
Legend
Silver Level
Punk: I want a second chance
Dana: Well go prove yourself on TUF
Punk: Ok, I'll do it. Sign me up.
Dana announces Punk to fight on TUF to keep his spot on the UFC roster.
It's as simple as that. If UFC isn't going to give him another fight unless he goes on TUF then he more or less is cut and trying to get back in.
I agree by the way. Skill wise he doesn't belong in the UFC. But I bet we see him there again if the PPV did indeed do 800 000.
Rincewind
Visionary
Silver Level
Did this conversation actually happen anywhere outside of your imagination?
Where has this talk of TUF come from anyway?
Has anyone credible, attached to the UFC actually said it's a realistic option for the 0-1 37year old injury prone one-stripe-white-belt with no real experience of MMA? Or are you just totally specualting?