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[OzExorcist]

Captain America: The winter soldier .. Never Surrender .. game shows. Read my previous post.

...and I refer to my previous post. Not. On. The. Same. Level.

GSP being in Captain America was great. He was great in it. It was a great scene. It was a great movie, probably my favourite in the MCU to date. But GSP was only in a couple of minutes at the start of the movie and he was never mentioned again. That movie succeeded because it was a Captain America move, not because GSP was in it. 90% of the people who saw it still don't know or care who he is.

Rousey, on the other hand? Entourage was sold almost entirely on the premise of "OMG you should all totes come see this movie because Ronda Rousey is in it!". She's had much bigger roles than GSP had, in movies that were just as big (Fast and Furious, Expendables). She's on mainstream magazine covers. Beyonce quotes her. Demonstrably not on the same level.

And I agree, the discussion is ridiculous. Actual fights are much more interesting. But if you're going to talk about who should be fighting who and why, at some point you've got to admit that fight bookings are made in the real world - not in some fantasy world where the only thing that matters is what happens inside the octagon.

 

[underdog140]

I was showing GSP did more than just a few commercials and "ran" during fights... which is was the post you agreed with. GSP being in Winter Soldier was big at the time. I remember the buzz around and his name being mentioned often. He is also staring in a remake of the movie KickBoxer.

Like I said previously ... If she was 4x more main stream her PPV numbers would show it. They do not. Being mainstream brings PPV buys.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Anyone else watch the 2 old fat dudes? No, no not Kimbo and Dada, Mir and Hunt. They both need to give it up, imo. Luckily Hunt broke Mir's brain early or they would have both been just as gassed as Kimbo and Dada. I mean, just imagine that having to go 5 rounds! They both may have been in cardiac arrest!

 

[OzExorcist]

I bet under 1.5 rounds in that fight and I was desperately hoping it was gonna get up because if it didn't, the fight would be a guaranteed stinker.

FWIW I think (despite appearances) Hunt is actually in decent shape. Y'know, for a heavyweight. And he actually fights to his strengths these days. Mir on the other hand...

 

[WVHillbilly]

Hunt's bigger problem is age. He's 41!

 

[underdog140]

I fell asleep just as the main event was starting. Woke up to witness the KO. Hunt getting the KO wasn`t much of a surprise to me. I should have placed some bets. I was on a betting site messing around with Parlays after winning a few hundred playing B.J. but for some reason I never placed any bets.

Lombard gassed badly as well. What do you think of the Ref not stopping the fight in the 2nd round .... I seen some debating that it could of been stopped in the 1st as well.

Seo Hee Ham looks like she could be fighting at 105lbs. Rawlings was allot bigger.

 

[WVHillbilly]

Yeah, my wife was in the room when I turned it over to the fights. She looked up during the Rawlings fight intros and said something like I thought they had to weigh the same. Obvious difference in those 2. Couldn't figure out how 2 judges gave all 3 rounds to Rawlings though. Pretty sure she lost that 3rd round.

The Magny fight could have been stopped a couple of times but I don't think it should have been.

 

[OzExorcist]

The bit of judging that impressed me the most from that card was what appeared to be a correctly applied 10-10 score from one judge in the third round of the Pearson fight... I've seen media pundits give that score, but I don't recall ever seeing it from an actual judge before.

 

[underdog140]

Yeah, the Judges in the Rawlings fight must of been blind. I missed some of the third round. From what I seen it looked to be a close round. Based on that I had a score of 29-28 for either fighter. I thought she lost the 2nd round but might of swayed the Judges with the "knockdown".

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

.
Rousey, on the other hand? Entourage was sold almost entirely on the premise of "OMG you should all totes come see this movie because Ronda Rousey is in it!". .

The show was on air for 8 seasons.
So they do have a fanbase.

It has nothing to do with Ronda being in it.

 

[OzExorcist]

*shrugs*

Rousey WAS front and centre in the marketing for that movie, it's fact. Promoted way more heavily than any of the other cameos that were in it... which is a little crazy, when you stop for a second to look at who some of those other cameos were (Brady, Gronk, Russell Wilson, Mike Tyson, Pharrell Williams, the list goes on)

Whether it already had a following or not is a moot point - the studio looked at it and thought pushing Rousey could help it do even bigger business. Captain America already had a following too, obviously. The studio looked at that, and obviously didn't think pushing GSP's involvement would gain them much.

Now I'm just gonna leave this here for some perspective and be done with the topic...

Women`s MMA is not that exciting IMO.

there are pretty girls like Gina but to watch women beating each other not my thing.

 

[underdog140]

Actually it is a very Valid point. You basically used the same logic when you addressed GSP being in Captain America.

That movie succeeded because it was a Captain America move, not because GSP was in it.

Also wasn't Entourage a flop ( Edit: flop being harsh but at least wasn't it negatively received ? )I never watched the series or the movie but it made under $50 mill compared to the $ 715 Million Captain America made. Considering Entourage already had a following, one could come to the conclusion that not as many people rushed to see Ronda in this movie as you think did.

I can only speak for myself but I have yet to hear anyone say .. "OMG you should all totes come see this movie because Ronda Rousey is in it!"

Being mainstream will translate into PPV buys ( would you agree with that ? ). If she is that much more mainstream than GSP then she should be out selling him by a decent margin and she is not. In fact GSP has pulled in the more consistent higher PPV numbers.

 

[OzExorcist]

I give up. We're all dumber for this conversation continuing.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

*shrugs*

Rousey WAS front and centre in the marketing for that movie, it's fact. Promoted way more heavily than any of the other cameos that were in it... which is a little crazy, when you stop for a second to look at who some of those other cameos were (Brady, Gronk, Russell Wilson, Mike Tyson, Pharrell Williams, the list goes on)

Whether it already had a following or not is a moot point - the studio looked at it and thought pushing Rousey could help it do even bigger business. Captain America already had a following too, obviously. The studio looked at that, and obviously didn't think pushing GSP's involvement would gain them much.

Now I'm just gonna leave this here for some perspective and be done with the topic...

Yeah. End the discussion with a totally out of context quote from a year ago.

-"Wanna go watch a movie?"
-Yeah. Which one?
-How about Entourage?
-mmmmmmmm. Dunno...
-C'mon. Ronda is in it.
-Really?! Let's go!


:laugh:

 

[OzExorcist]

I'm just saying someone who's interest in WMMA only extends to there being "pretty girls like Gina" in it might not have the required perspective for this discussion

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

I'm just saying someone who's interest in WMMA only extends to there being "pretty girls like Gina" in it might not have the required perspective for this discussion

You keep repeting yourself like a broken record talking about perspective.

I don't need to like WMMA to know that Entourage success has nothing to do with Ronda.



You sound very butthurt that both of your idols got theirs ass kicked. And you keep saying how famous they are.



Get over. They lost, fanboy.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

You must be the type of person who brings shit from the past when arguing to someone.




"-WTF. Dude. Why did you steal my ipad?
-That's what you get for stealing my pokemon card.
-what? Pokemon card? that was 15 years ago...
-don't care.

 

[OzExorcist]

LOL at what point did I say they were my idols? I enjoy watching them both fight, like any number of other fighters, but it makes zero difference to my life whether they win or lose. I'm just as big a fan of Robbie Lawler as I am Rousey and McGregor, for example, but if he'd lost that fight to Condit (I do think Condit got robbed FWIW) I wouldn't have been crying in the corner over it.

This whole inane discussion started with who the top draws in the UFC are right now - I said Conor losing to Diaz would have little to no impact on his drawing power going forward, and I stand by that. Since he's all but a lock to headline UFC200 (possibly against Diaz again LOL) I think the point's been proven.

What numbers GSP would or wouldn't do is a largely meaningless discussion until he actually decides to return to competition. I still don't think he will for what it's worth. All this "he's totally gonna come back if X, Y and Z all go right" talk sounds a hell of a lot like the "he's totally gonna fight Anderson Silva once A, B and C happen" talk... and we all know how much substance there was to that.

Now for the love of all that's unholy how about we talk about some actual fights?!?

JDS vs Rothwell: Pinnacle has this fight at just about pick 'em odds. Has the hate on JDS / hype on Rothwell gone too far there? I didn't think JDS looked that bad in the loss to Overeem...

 

[underdog140]

I thought JDS looked like a shell of his former self vs. Overeem and Rothwell is under-rated imo. Rothwell will also be coming in with high confidence, has a nice 4 fight win streak with one of those wins over the guy that just beat JDS.

I am going with Rothwell in this one and am disappointed to see the odds. I thought this was going to be one of those times a fighter was going to be a decent underdog in a fight he should be even in and maby even a slight favourite in. The Books got this one right with the pick ' em odds. Bummer....

 

[underdog140]

So I decided to look up some fight odds today.....

Nate is currently the underdog in the rematch vs Conor ... Money to be made ? Do you think Conor and his Antics will sway the odds a little more in his favor or should we jump on these odds right away ?

Diaz is currently 2.14 -- $100 for a return of $214
Conor is @ 1.74-- Bet $100 for a return of $174

I also notice that Ronda is 1.27 in a potential match vs Tate. What does everyone think of that ?

Edit: Faber is @ 5.44 .. $100 to win $544 .. $444 profit .... I know he is a long shot but I wouldn't count him out.

 

[OzExorcist]

For what it's worth, with those prices the market is saying that Diaz has a better chance of beating McGregor again than Frankie would if that fight ever happens.

McGregor is $1.74 against Diaz ($2.14) but he's $1.57 against Frankie ($2.45ish) according to https://bestfightodds.com/

I feel a lot more strongly that Frankie is being undervalued there, but who knows if that fight is ever going to happen or what'll happen in the meantime, so I'm in no rush to put any money on it.

I'd be surprised if McGregor-Diaz didn't end up closer to even money by fight time.

As for Rousey-Tate... I think Tate is a much better fighter now than she was the first two times she fought Ronda. I don't know if it'll be enough, and I'd want to know a lot more about the circumstances of Rousey's return (ie: if she's not leaving Taverderyan, is she at least bringing in other coaches?) before I bet that one too... but I suspect I definitely wouldn't be betting Rousey at just $1.25.

I ended up putting a unit on JDS, and I'm seriously thinking about Weidman at $2.60ish vs Rockhold. I feel like that was a very close fight before Weidman threw the dumbest spinning kick ever, and I don't think he'll make a mistake that stupid again. He still might not win, but I think it's much closer than the odds suggest.

 

[Sil3ntness]

Wait Nate Diaz is an underdog to McGregor? If I had extra cash to bet, I'd put it on Diaz no question.

 

[underdog140]

Keep in mind he already beat Conor and did it on 11 days notice. If anything he should be a decent size favorite. While we never got to see Conor vs Edgar yet. But dang those are some nice odds on Edgar. I suspect they at least even out with the likely outcome of Conor losing to Nate again.

I agree that Tate is a better fighter today and Ronda might not be as good. But considering everything I don't think the odds get much better in this fight for anyone wanting to put money on Ronda. I would not count Tate out.

I am going to be placing some bets soon. There is some money to be made with upcoming and potential upcoming bouts.

Nate - Edgar - Ronda three way parlay. All likely outcomes with close to a $600 profit on a $100 bet.

Wait Nate Diaz is an underdog to McGregor? If I had extra cash to bet, I'd put it on Diaz no question.

Crazy isn't it. He should be the favorite but those are the lines. He came in on 11 days notice with 0 training and beat a guy that had a full camp and somehow he is still an underdog in the rematch. It doesn't get much better than this for betters.

Conor does have a chance. Conor not hurting Diaz with punches is just a myth. But it is likely this fight ends the same the first did except a round or two later.

 

[OzExorcist]

Well I didn't see this coming... not the second part anyway. McGregor-Diaz II is confirmed as the headliner for UFC200, and Aldo-Edgar II will be on the card fighting for the interim featherweight belt.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/3/3...r-ufc-200?_ga=1.13574067.527278055.1432682209

 

[underdog140]

Well I didn't see this coming... not the second part anyway. McGregor-Diaz II is confirmed as the headliner for UFC200, and Aldo-Edgar II will be on the card fighting for the interim featherweight belt.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/3/3...r-ufc-200?_ga=1.13574067.527278055.1432682209

I am not sure if in this thread or not ... but I called both fights. Also said Edgar vs Aldo would be for interim.

This is actually the best outcome for Conor ( if he stays at 145lbs ) Have the top two guys knock the other one out of contention for a fight or two. Conor also has a better chance at beating Aldo then he does Edgar. Aldo has a better chance at beating Edgar then Conor does. Aldo beats Edgar .. Conor defends against Aldo is the best outcome for him.