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[underdog140]

SMH LOL - he's said he wants to fight Diaz again in the future, and you admit that defending his belt is the right thing to do next. What more do you want from him? I'm genuinely confused as to what you think there is to complain about here

I don`t want anything from him. I wasn`t complaining just pointing out facts. If you are offered a fight and take another fight in its place then you refused a fight. And what do you expect him to say when asked if he wants to fight Diaz again. Even if he doesn`t he will say yes. Just like GSP never out right says he won`t fight Anderson when he was asked a multitude of times. But yet we never got to see that fight. I do suspect we will see Conor vs Diaz 2 if Conor manages to defend his belt.

And yes, saying Diaz isn't a big enough fight to headline UFC 200 is justifying McGregor not fighting Diaz at UFC200. That event needs to be headlined by a title fight (likely a couple of title fights). McGregor-Diaz wouldn't be a title fight, unless Diaz plans to cut down to 145. End of story.

Who said Conor vs Diaz has to Headline. Conor vs Diaz 2 is one of the bigger fights UFC can put on atm. I don't think too many if any will agree with you that it is not "big enough".

UFC 200

G.S.P. vs Lawal for Title - Main event
Ronda vs Tate 3 - Co-Main
Conor vs Diaz 2
Punk vs whoever

This card would break records.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

he's since come out and said that he's very much open to a Diaz rematch at some other point, and that he feels he won the first round and a half of that fight

GTFO. He can't be that delusional.It's not like he was beating Nate up until the last 30 seconds of the 5th round when all of a sudden Nate pulled out a BJJ master trick.

He was outboxed in the SECOND round.

Then went for the ridiculous takedown attempt. Gave his back trying to escape the ground and pound and got his ass submitted.

He was losing that fight no matter what.

His punches are only effective against midgets.

 

[OzExorcist]

FWIW Diaz looked in much worse shape in the post-fight interviews than McGregor did. And it was Diaz, not McGregor, who got a medical suspension after the fight.

So while he didn't win, you can't say McGregor didn't do damage or that the punches he landed were ineffective.

UFC 200

G.S.P. vs Lawal for Title - Main event
Ronda vs Tate 3 - Co-Main
Conor vs Diaz 2
Punk vs whoever

This card would break records.

So that's an... interesting... take I guess.

GSP coming back is still just a pipe dream - see what you yourself said above about GSP stringing people along for fights that he clearly never intended to take.

CM Punk is still out injured and if I had to bet, I'd bet that he never actually takes a UFC fight.

I don't think it's been confirmed that Rousey has space in her busy schedule to fight at UFC 200, even if she wanted to.

There's no way Tate gets a top billing on that show without Ronda to fight. Lawler fighting Condit at that show seems much more likely... or possibly Diaz. They wouldn't put Lawler-Condit as the main event though, for the same reason that fight was bumped in favour of Rousey as the main event of UFC 193 (if you believe a minor injury was the reason that fight was moved, then I have a whole pile of bear-repelling rocks I'd love to sell you).

Which leaves us with... that's right, Mystic Mac vs either Frankie or Aldo for the featherweight title (or, longer shot, vs RDA for the lightweight belt) as your UFC 200 main event. You read it here first

 

[underdog140]

FWIW Diaz looked in much worse shape in the post-fight interviews than McGregor did. And it was Diaz, not McGregor, who got a medical suspension after the fight.

So while he didn't win, you can't say McGregor didn't do damage or that the punches he landed were ineffective.



So that's an... interesting... take I guess.

GSP coming back is still just a pipe dream - see what you yourself said above about GSP stringing people along for fights that he clearly never intended to take.

CM Punk is still out injured and if I had to bet, I'd bet that he never actually takes a UFC fight.

I don't think it's been confirmed that Rousey has space in her busy schedule to fight at UFC 200, even if she wanted to.

There's no way Tate gets a top billing on that show without Ronda to fight. Lawler fighting Condit at that show seems much more likely... or possibly Diaz. They wouldn't put Lawler-Condit as the main event though, for the same reason that fight was bumped in favour of Rousey as the main event of UFC 193 (if you believe a minor injury was the reason that fight was moved, then I have a whole pile of bear-repelling rocks I'd love to sell you).

Which leaves us with... that's right, Mystic Mac vs either Frankie or Aldo for the featherweight title (or, longer shot, vs RDA for the lightweight belt) as your UFC 200 main event. You read it here first

It was just to show Conor can be on the card without headlining.

GSP will return if the right amount of money was offered. At least that is what Rory MD recently said. He would know better than anyone else that isn't named GSP. The question is what is the "right amount" and is the UFC willing to pay it.

Nate already said he wouldn't fight Lawler or GSP. Reasoning being ... those are his brothers fights. I can understand that stance for Lawler but Nick is never getting another fight with GSP.

I think it is a safe bet that there will be a WMMA fight on that card. Which leaves the likely hood of Tate fighting on that card decently high. With Tate being the current champion it might convince Ronda to come back sooner than she was planning since she knows she can beat Tate.

Punk has been injured for awhile .. he should be healed and ready to go by UFC 200. And he would get allot of flack if he never fights. But who knows it wouldn't surprise me any if he doesn't.


Who knows maby we get :

Conor vs Aldo
Nick vs RDA

Which would set up Conor vs Nick 2 if both lose / both win or Conor wins and Nick loses.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

FWIW Diaz looked in much worse shape in the post-fight interviews than McGregor did. And it was Diaz, not McGregor, who got a medical suspension after the fight.

So while he didn't win, you can't say McGregor didn't do damage or that the punches he landed were ineffective.

Lol. Unfortunately for Conor, MMA is not about who looks better in the post-fight interviews.

Neither is about who gets the shorter medical suspension.

Forget about the blood. He landed 1 million punches and still couldn't break Diaz. So is very accurate to say those punches were ineffective.

Effective punches are the ones that make you win fights.

 

[OzExorcist]

It was just to show Conor can be on the card without headlining.

N'yeah... I don't think there's a world where Conor doesn't headline whatever card he's on. Not in the forseeable future anyway. I mean he just fought in a non-title fight above of a title fight. He fought for an interim title above an ACTUAL title fight last year. He just had the second-biggest PPV in company history. Or at least Dana thinks he did - and whether it's actually true or not, what Dana thinks is what matters here.

That's seriously the best way to think about this BTW - don't think about merit, don't think about who's the better fighter, don't even think about reality. Think "what will Dana do?" Admit it - you know he's gonna keep pushing McGregor as the biggest draw in the company...

 

[underdog140]

N'yeah... I don't think there's a world where Conor doesn't headline whatever card he's on. Not in the forseeable future anyway. I mean he just fought in a non-title fight above of a title fight. He fought for an interim title above an ACTUAL title fight last year. He just had the second-biggest PPV in company history. Or at least Dana thinks he did - and whether it's actually true or not, what Dana thinks is what matters here.

That's seriously the best way to think about this BTW - don't think about merit, don't think about who's the better fighter, don't even think about reality. Think "what will Dana do?" Admit it - you know he's gonna keep pushing McGregor as the biggest draw in the company...

I mostly agree and what you are saying is another point of why Conor vs Diaz is a big enough fight for UFC 200. It doesn't need to be for a title when it's Conor .. Dana will headline him anyways.

But there are fights that if he was on the card of he wouldn't be the headliner for. As much as Dana likes Conor. Ronda will headline over Conor ... so would a G.S.P. comeback.

 

[OzExorcist]

My guess is if they're smart, they'll never put themselves in the position of having to make that choice.

McGregor and Rousey have both proven themselves to be million-plus PPV draws on their own, and the UFC has plenty of other events that need headliners. It'd make more sense to book them on separate events.

Though the question of who would headline, McGregor or Rousey or GSP, is a fascinating hypothetical...

 

[OzExorcist]

So at this stage I think Conor is the only one actually confirmed to be fighting at UFC 200, but...

...the McGregor superfight bug must have bitten RDA because he's pushing for either Nate Diaz or Robbie Lawler at the event: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/1...o-fight-nate-diaz-or-robbie-lawler-at-ufc-200

...and in fights that might actually happen news, apparently Travis Browne getting murdered by Cain Velasquez is something the UFC brass thinks you'll want to see: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/16/11250010/ufc-200-fight-card-cain-velasquez-vs-travis-browne

 

[underdog140]

So at this stage I think Conor is the only one actually confirmed to be fighting at UFC 200, but...

...the McGregor superfight bug must have bitten RDA because he's pushing for either Nate Diaz or Robbie Lawler at the event: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/1...o-fight-nate-diaz-or-robbie-lawler-at-ufc-200

RDA always said Conor doesn't deserve a shot at him. Those are the fights he should be pushing for. Nate just got two very nice wins. Got some hype around him. Just Beat the guy RDA was suppose to fight. Calling out the champion in the weight class above is going to become something that is done more often. UFC / Dana opened that up with Conor.

...and in fights that might actually happen news, apparently Travis Browne getting murdered by Cain Velasquez is something the UFC brass thinks you'll want to see: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/16/11250010/ufc-200-fight-card-cain-velasquez-vs-travis-browne

Come on Dana .. you can do better.....

For what it is worth there is an interview I seen weeks back ( before Holly lost ) where Dana was asked about Ronda and UFC 200 and says something along the lines of ... I am not sure if she will be ready but that isn't going to stop me from asking her. So if she isn't on the card, I don't think it would be from lack of trying on Dana's part.

 

[Carl Trooper]

You cant compare figures with today in the past. MMA has grown and got more popular, thus more $$ coming in and people watching.

if GSP made a comeback, it would shatter all records.

 

[OzExorcist]

Oh I dunno... I can only speak for myself, but I think I'd really enjoy watching Browne get squashed by Cain. He won't be able to just eye poke his way out of that one.

 

[OzExorcist]

You cant compare figures with today in the past. MMA has grown and got more popular, thus more $$ coming in and people watching.

if GSP made a comeback, it would shatter all records.

OK I'm gonna bite one last time - if GSP were to come back and shatter all records... and for the record I don't believe that's necessarily what would happen... but IF that were to happen, he'd still have McGregor and Rousey to thank for it.

While he was fighting, GSP never crossed over into the mainstream (at least not outside of canada) the way Rousey and McGregor have. They're the ones who've grown interest in the sport outside of the traditional "just bleed" audience. So if GSP comes back to a bigger audience, it's because Rousey and McGregor built it for him.

 

[underdog140]

OK I'm gonna bite one last time - if GSP were to come back and shatter all records... and for the record I don't believe that's necessarily what would happen... but IF that were to happen, he'd still have McGregor and Rousey to thank for it.

While he was fighting, GSP never crossed over into the mainstream (at least not outside of Canada) the way Rousey and McGregor have. They're the ones who've grown interest in the sport outside of the traditional "just bleed" audience. So if GSP comes back to a bigger audience, it's because Rousey and McGregor built it for him.

Had a response typed out and battery went dead .. Not going to type it out again but in short ....

GSP has himself and UFC to thank for his success. His return match ( if there is one ) would do big numbers regardless of anyone else's success. And regardless of where it is held. Throughout his career he been on the top selling PPV's. He is as mainstream as it gets for MMA.

Oh I dunno... I can only speak for myself, but I think I'd really enjoy watching Browne get squashed by Cain. He won't be able to just eye poke his way out of that one.

It's not one that interest me too much. Cain should squash Travis as you say But then again Cain only fought once since 2013.

 

[WVHillbilly]

He is as mainstream as it gets for MMA.

That's just simply not true. I LOVE me some GSP but my wife knows Ronda and couldn't pick George out of a lineup. She never watches fights with me but she watches all the BS TV shows that want Ronda as a guest. GSP isn't 25% as popular as Rhonda and probably not half as popular as Conner. Once you get away from just fight fans you'll find very few "regular" people know anything about GSP.

 

[underdog140]

That's just simply not true. I LOVE me some GSP but my wife knows Ronda and couldn't pick George out of a lineup. She never watches fights with me but she watches all the BS TV shows that want Ronda as a guest. GSP isn't 25% as popular as Rhonda and probably not half as popular as Conner. Once you get away from just fight fans you'll find very few "regular" people know anything about GSP.

I know plenty of people who don't watch or watch very little and they know who GSP is. I can give the same type of example you did. My girlfriend calls Ronda... that girl ... if I say GSP she knows exactly who I am talking about. I can say the same about others I have met. People that don't follow the sport knew when GSP was fighting when he was active. She doesn't know Conor at all.

Plus GSP hasn't fought since 2013 and Ronda is still active. People who don't follow the sport will remember the current popular fighter since they see that person's face and name in advertisements for events. Hear others talking about them in up coming events.

You are underestimating his popularity. If GSP isn't mainstream the bar to be mainstream is set so high I doubt many reach it.

 

[WVHillbilly]

George did what a few energy drink commercials that ran mostly during fights, Rhonda's in Bud Light commercials during the Super Bowl. You can't seriously think they're even close to comparable in terms of mainstream popularity.

There is no argument.

 

[underdog140]

George did what a few energy drink commercials that ran mostly during fights, Rhonda's in Bud Light commercials during the Super Bowl. You can't seriously think they're even close to comparable in terms of mainstream popularity.

There is no argument.

Here are her numbers below.

Ronda fought 7 times in the UFC


Rousey vs Carmouche UFC 157- 450,000

UFC 168 did over 1 million but that wasn't because Ronda was on the card. Look at her before and after PPV buys.

Rousey vs McMann UFC 170 - 350,00

Weidman vs Machida UFC 175 - 545,000

Rousey vs Zingano UFC 184 - 600,000

Rousey vs Correia UFC 190 - 900,000 This was a good turn out .. and is the same type of numbers GSP does.

Rousey vs Holm UFC 193 - 1,100,000 .. GSP was on a card that did 1.6 million and if you don't want to give him credit for that one he was also on one that did 950,000 .. and another that did 920,000

You are falling for the hype. Ronda is a star and mainstream. GSP is on the same level and more consistently draws bigger PPV numbers.

 

[underdog140]

Report: Conor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz 2 expected for UFC 200 in July

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/...te-diaz-2-expected-for-ufc-200-in-july-031816

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/710859439767740420/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


Other places reporting the same.... I hate to say I told you so .... ...

Rumor is Conor wants it to be at 170lbs .... I am not sure how I feel about that. I think he has a much better chance at 155lbs.

 

[WVHillbilly]

You are falling for the hype. Ronda is a star and mainstream. GSP is on the same level and more consistently draws bigger PPV numbers.

This started because you claimed GSP was as mainstream as Rhonda. I don't think PPV numbers help prove your case. Those are fight fans. You've done nothing to show that GSP is anywhere close to as Rhonda when it comes to general popularity.

 

[underdog140]

This started because you claimed GSP was as mainstream as Rhonda. I don't think PPV numbers help prove your case. Those are fight fans. You've done nothing to show that GSP is anywhere close to as Rhonda when it comes to general popularity.

How else do you suggest we compare ?

Being mainstream will reflect on PPV buys would it not ? If Ronda is 4x more popular than GSP then her PPV buys should reflect that. They wouldn't have to sell 4x as many but they should be selling a good deal more. They are not.

GSP been in movies also and tv shows. Captain America: The winter soldier .. Never Surrender ..

 

[OzExorcist]

George did what a few energy drink commercials that ran mostly during fights, Rhonda's in Bud Light commercials during the Super Bowl. You can't seriously think they're even close to comparable in terms of mainstream popularity.

There is no argument.

^ this. They. Are. Not. On. The. Same. Level. Period.

 

[underdog140]

^ this. They. Are. Not. On. The. Same. Level. Period.

Captain America: The winter soldier .. Never Surrender .. game shows. Read my previous post.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

We're all MMA fans and we've been dedicating 2 pages of this thread to discuss who is the p4p most known celebrity-fighter.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

UFC has turned into WWE.

PPV sells, commercials, magazine cover, movies, videogames.

What about fighting and winning?

Cause the UFC 2 is covered by two losers.

Enough of this circus.

 

[underdog140]

We're all MMA fans and we've been dedicating 2 pages of this thread to discuss who is the p4p most known celebrity-fighter.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

UFC has turned into WWE.

PPV sells, commercials, magazine cover, movies, videogames.

What about fighting and winning?

Cause the UFC 2 is covered by two losers.

Enough of this circus.

I agree we spent enough time on this but these are the type of things that get discussed between MMA fans. PP4 list .. Goat list ... fighters pay .. popularity contest .. it all gets discussed not just the fighting and winning.