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That was just sooooo sweet tonight. Kinda liked listening to Edgar before the fight when I heard he was also picking Meisha & Nate for the win.

(oh yah.. I mean "OH YAH!!!" I also had a parlay with Meisha & Diaz. And also a bet on Meisha and one on Diaz, lol.

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Meisha surprised me more than Conner. Just thought Conner at 170 was a pretty big unknown.

I wonder if we'll see Meisha fight Holly again before Rousey gets back in the rings since she seems pretty likely to not fight until late in the year?
 
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Called it on many forums. Said Diaz will make the upset.


Mcgregor cash train has come to a hault. Dana must be crying.
 
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Congrats on your parlay win. I actually fell asleep and woke up during the first Tate take-down. Happy I woke up to witness both these main events.

Imagine if the original fight took place. Conor doesn`t have much of a chance against the 155lb champion or 170lb champion. He gassed also. UFC better match him up with some pure strikers or they can kiss their cash cow good bye.

It is only a matter of time before Edgar takes his belt at 145lbs. If Aldo doesn`t get the rematch first and reclaims it.
 
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Sucks Holly Holm lost but hats off to Miesha Tate for being a new champ. I wonder if Rousey will fight Tate for the title or Holm to avenge her loss.
 
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Whaaaaaaaaat?

That "touch butt" line is ****ing EPIC.
It even made Dana laugh.

Yeah OK, he has a few hits here and there. But as someone who sat through a couple of the press conferences for this fight I thought he was meh.

Meanwhile McGregor spits out gold every time he picks up a mic. Alligators on his feet, red panty night, changing everyone's bum lives, and that's just a small selection of recent highlights :p

Called it on many forums. Said Diaz will make the upset.

Mcgregor cash train has come to a hault. Dana must be crying.

Good pick. Don't think this'll derail the McGregor train though. Unless he's medically suspended he'll be back headlining UFC200. It's a narrative inconvenience at worst.

It's not like he was a Rousey or Jon Jones, he already had losses on his record. Having lost a few fights never held Anderson Silva or BJ Penn or GSP back, and I don't think it'll hold McGregor back for long either.

Diaz will almost certainly parlay this win into a title shot but it'll still be McGregor making the big bucks and headlining the biggest cards.

Sucks Holly Holm lost but hats off to Miesha Tate for being a new champ. I wonder if Rousey will fight Tate for the title or Holm to avenge her loss.

Dana is pretty already saying that Tate will fight Rousey next... and there's already nudge-nudge-wink speculation about how quickly Ronda's movie schedule will open up some free time now that she won't be fighting Holm :p
 
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Dana is pretty already saying that Tate will fight Rousey next... and there's already nudge-nudge-wink speculation about how quickly Ronda's movie schedule will open up some free time now that she won't be fighting Holm :p

This doesn't surprise me but Rhonda - Meisha 3 just doesn't do it for me. Even if it gets the UFC's golden girl back into the title, what's Dana gonna do hide her from Holly after she beats Meisha again?
 
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Good pick. Don't think this'll derail the McGregor train though. Unless he's medically suspended he'll be back headlining UFC200. It's a narrative inconvenience at worst.

It's not like he was a Rousey or Jon Jones, he already had losses on his record. Having lost a few fights never held Anderson Silva or BJ Penn or GSP back, and I don't think it'll hold McGregor back for long either.

This hurt Conor allot. Sure he has losses but his last one before Diaz was 6 years ago. Those losses were marketed as losses while he was not the fighter he is today. Still learning ect. He didn't lose to a guy that many seen on the same level as he was. People were propping him up to be on the level and maby a level above Anderson , G.S.P. , Jones ect. He lost to a guy that had 10 days notice and is 3-3 in his last 6.

It is only a matter of time before Conor losses his belt at 145lbs and is stuck in limbo of either getting UD and subbed from decent wrestlers that can take him down or looking like a monster KO'ing those who can't ( if he stays at 145 ). A string of losses awaits him at 155 / 170 lbs if he decides to give that a try again.

Diaz will almost certainly parlay this win into a title shot but it'll still be McGregor making the big bucks and headlining the biggest cards.

If Conor doesn't win his next fight... interest in him will fade. He will still have a big following but it won't be like it is currently or before last night. I think he has allot better chance at beating Aldo than he does Edgar. So he better lobby for that fight. I sense a pay cut for Conor if he loses his next fight.


Dana is pretty already saying that Tate will fight Rousey next... and there's already nudge-nudge-wink speculation about how quickly Ronda's movie schedule will open up some free time now that she won't be fighting Holm :p

I think that is the way to go. They get two big fights to promote instead of one. The Ronda vs Holm fight will always be attractive and sell. Tate might just spoil his plans and pull the upset over Ronda. I think if Ronda losses again she is done.
 
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happy that conor got his ass kicked,he needed that,also happy that miesha won the title.
 
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Don't think this'll derail the McGregor train though. Unless he's medically suspended he'll be back headlining UFC200. It's a narrative inconvenience at worst.

It's not like he was a Rousey or Jon Jones, he already had losses on his record. Having lost a few fights never held Anderson Silva or BJ Penn or GSP back, and I don't think it'll hold McGregor back for long either.

Not only that was his first UFC defeat, but, let's be honest, I'm a Diaz Bros fan, but Nate is not the toughest guy in the UFC, not even close. His record is not impressive at all.

So losing to a gate keeper who had 11 days to prepare is very bad and it does damage Conor's Superman image in the UFC.

Everyone, except MMA newbies, knew that Conor was a good striker with a LOT of holes in his game especially on the ground.

He is going to have a hard time cutting weight back to 145 to keep his belt. And Frankie is a real trouble.


Winter is coming, Conor.
 
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This hurt Conor allot. Sure he has losses but his last one before Diaz was 6 years ago. Those losses were marketed as losses while he was not the fighter he is today. Still learning ect. He didn't lose to a guy that many seen on the same level as he was. People were propping him up to be on the level and maby a level above Anderson , G.S.P. , Jones ect. He lost to a guy that had 10 days notice and is 3-3 in his last 6.

It is only a matter of time before Conor losses his belt at 145lbs and is stuck in limbo of either getting UD and subbed from decent wrestlers that can take him down or looking like a monster KO'ing those who can't ( if he stays at 145 ). A string of losses awaits him at 155 / 170 lbs if he decides to give that a try again.

If Conor doesn't win his next fight... interest in him will fade. He will still have a big following but it won't be like it is currently or before last night. I think he has allot better chance at beating Aldo than he does Edgar. So he better lobby for that fight. I sense a pay cut for Conor if he loses his next fight.

I think that is the way to go. They get two big fights to promote instead of one. The Ronda vs Holm fight will always be attractive and sell. Tate might just spoil his plans and pull the upset over Ronda. I think if Ronda losses again she is done.

Not only that was his first UFC defeat, but, let's be honest, I'm a Diaz Bros fan, but Nate is not the toughest guy in the UFC, not even close. His record is not impressive at all.

So losing to a gate keeper who had 11 days to prepare is very bad and it does damage Conor's Superman image in the UFC.

Everyone, except MMA newbies, knew that Conor was a good striker with a LOT of holes in his game especially on the ground.

He is going to have a hard time cutting weight back to 145 to keep his belt. And Frankie is a real trouble.

Winter is coming, Conor.

There's a lot of valid points in the above - but if you take a step back and think about the business of what happens in the fight business, not just what happens inside the cage, there's really no reason to think McGregor will stop being the biggest draw in the sport. The UFC is already making what seem to be some clever moves in that direction...

First of all they can still say (and I'd probably even bet money that they will say) that he's undefeated as a UFC featherweight. And he still holds a belt. So they can gloss over this loss pretty easily and stick him in the main event of UFC 200 without a worry. It'll still do megabucks. The only option they really lost this weekend was a shot at the welterweight title.

Second there's no guarantee that he'll even fight Frankie next, they could give him Aldo* again. Tell me McGregor isn't a favourite going into that fight...

Third, they're doing some very clever but subtle stuff framing this loss. Dana has already started talking about a title shot for Diaz coming off this win... but a title shot against Robbie Lawler, not RDA. They'll push the fact that this fight happened at welterweight and leave the option open for McGregor to come back up to lightweight to challenge for that belt.

Fourth, people are massively, massively overreacting to one loss. You know who else has losses on their record, even some more embarrassing than this one? Anderson Silva. GSP. BJ Penn. Matt Hughes. Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson and Manny Pacquiao for crying out loud. They're all viewed as legends of combat sport, despite having a few losses here and there.

I'm not saying McGregor has earned the right to be included with names of that calibre yet - people's mileage will obviously vary wildly on that point. But they ALL prove that you can have a record with a few losses on it without having to shut up shop as a top draw in this game.

For my money I think he's more likely to go the BJ Penn path - eventually being respected for taking big risks like fighting up to weight classes and taking difficult opponents on short notice, rather than the "safe" path that someone like GSP took (talking about superfights, but never actually booking them, etc).

* for the record I like Frankie Edgar a lot, and I'd feel legit bad for him if they screwed him like this. But tell me it's not the safer option for the UFC
 
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Conor hasn't defended his 145lb belt yet. He beat two elite fighters. One came into the fight on late notice the other he impressively KO'd very early in the fight. But it didn't show us much about Conor other than he can hit hard. And we already knew that. He does not belong in the same sentence as Anderson .. G.S.P. .. B.J. . or any of the other guys you mention. This is one of the reasons his fall is a hot topic. People put him in the same league of all the greats of the sport. When he is no were near them

I wouldn't put him as a favorite over Aldo. It is a toss up to me. If Aldo comes in with the same game plan as last fight he gets KO'd again. Just like in the first fight, This is Aldo's fight to lose. And I have a feeling he is going to. Despite being the over all better fighter.

Conor 100% lost his chance for the 155lb title. He can get it back by defending his belt a couple more times and making people believe again. But that is a tall order for him to do with Aldo around the corner and Edgar knocking at his door.

You are right about the subtle messages UFC are using. But Most fans aren't tricked. Everyone knows this was a LW fight fought in the WW division.

This isn't just one loss. It is a loss that confirms Conors lack of ground game. Mendes shined a light on it and Diaz put a stamp on it. This was suppose to be a gimmie fight for Conor. A late replacement fighter with a win one lose one record. But also a fighter that has a name and following to make Conor win list look pretty and give him a little extra push into a big fight at UFC 200.


This is what I think is going to happen. If Conor defends against Aldo. WHich most likely is his next fight. He then Lobbies for a rematch with Nate Diaz at 155lbs and gets it. He makes some adjustments and makes it a fight and even winning the first 2 + rounds before he gets Rocked / TKO / Subbed again in the later rounds. He then Goes back down to defend against Edgar and he loses the 145lb title and is forever in fighter limbo beating most that can't take him down and sub him. But losing to most that can get him to the ground. Or worse he loses to Aldo and his limbo starts sooner than expected.

Dana on Diaz vs Conor :
"It's breaking every record we ever had," said White. "It's the biggest fight ever."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/6...n-mcgregor-vs-diaz-its-the-biggest-fight-ever

One win and they make the rematch.
 
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*shrugs* haters gonna hate ;)

This is the organisation that gave Chael Sonnen a title fight coming off a loss, up a weight class to boot. You think they're really gonna baulk at giving one to the undisputed god of PPV sales? LOL nope. They make that Conor and RDA fight again as soon as possible.

In the business sense this literally is just one loss BTW. And not even a very important one at that. There were no belts on the line, and PPV sales don't care that Conor has no ground game. I promise you that more than enough people will either be "tricked" or just plain won't care and will hand over their money to see his next fight.

On the ground game issue BTW, there's a stickler in me that wants to argue that, at worst, you can say that he has no BOTTOM game. The brief flashes we've seen of his top game have been fine. And there are plenty of fighters in the UFC with no real bottom game to speak of who do just fine...
 
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*shrugs* haters gonna hate ;)

I am no hater .. just calling it how I see it. In reality I think it is quite amazing what he was able to do with a limited ground game. And limited amount of top wins. Fans ate up the BS he spewed and asked for more. He also managed to become the highest disclosed paid fighter in the UFC ever. Good For him

This is the organisation that gave Chael Sonnen a title fight coming off a loss, up a weight class to boot. You think they're really gonna baulk at giving one to the undisputed god of PPV sales? LOL nope. They make that Conor and RDA fight again as soon as possible.

It's not going to happen. He has to defend the 145lb title. Dana isn't going to have his champion and new cash cow going in to defend his belt coming of two losses.


In the business sense this literally is just one loss BTW. And not even a very important one at that. There were no belts on the line, and PPV sales don't care that Conor has no ground game. I promise you that more than enough people will either be "tricked" or just plain won't care and will hand over their money to see his next fight.

You are very wrong here. It was an important fight. He didn't just lose a fight to Nate Diaz .. he lost a fight to an unprepared Nate Diaz. He lost his chance at becoming one of three men to hold belts in two different weight classes. He lost the chance to become the only person to hold two belts at the same time.

Tons will still tune in to see him that is true. He will continue to be a big draw. But with two losses in a row ( which will happen if he fights RDA ) his following will start to shrink. It wont be the same as it was before the Diaz fight.

On the ground game issue BTW, there's a stickler in me that wants to argue that, at worst, you can say that he has no BOTTOM game. The brief flashes we've seen of his top game have been fine. And there are plenty of fighters in the UFC with no real bottom game to speak of who do just fine...

Believe what you like. He isn't beating many elite grapplers. His career is most likely going to play out the way in my spoiler post. And that isn't a knock on him. He managed to become the champion and make millions. That is just how I see it playing out.
 
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*shrugs* haters gonna hate ;)

This is the organisation that gave Chael Sonnen a title fight coming off a loss, up a weight class to boot. You think they're really gonna baulk at giving one to the undisputed god of PPV sales? LOL nope. They make that Conor and RDA fight again as soon as possible.

In the business sense this literally is just one loss BTW. And not even a very important one at that. There were no belts on the line, and PPV sales don't care that Conor has no ground game. I promise you that more than enough people will either be "tricked" or just plain won't care and will hand over their money to see his next fight.

On the ground game issue BTW, there's a stickler in me that wants to argue that, at worst, you can say that he has no BOTTOM game. The brief flashes we've seen of his top game have been fine. And there are plenty of fighters in the UFC with no real bottom game to speak of who do just fine...

Or some will choose to see things the way you are... although tbh I'm completely agreeing here with UD & LOL
I think whether or not there was a belt on the line, etc. etc. makes zero difference as far as the importance of this fight goes for the Connor show. imo, his popularity drops considerably after this loss.
 
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I doubt his PPV sales drop at all and that's all Dana cares about. Match him against Frankie or RDA and the sales are even higher. Still the biggest draw in MMA.
 
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I also think some are over looking that Diaz has a following himself and that helped with the viewers. Holy who just beat Ronda was on the card and people wanted to see her ... that also helped with the viewers. Conor isn't the only factor for the high viewership of that card.
 
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I doubt his PPV sales drop at all and that's all Dana cares about. Match him against Frankie or RDA and the sales are even higher. Still the biggest draw in MMA.

^ this. This is exactly my point.

Events with Conor McGregor headlining them will continue to do massive business and make everyone involved lots and lots and lots of money. Losing one fight at welterweight to Nate Diaz, unprepared or otherwise, won't make a lick of difference. It'll be a talking point for his next opponent, nothing more.

Losing his belt at some point in the future, or losing a couple of fights in a row? That might. Emphasis on "might", BTW. As long as he continues to be entertaining, both in and out of the ring, I think he'll even be able to weather that kind of bad run.
 
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Conor hasn't defended his 145lb belt yet. He beat two elite fighters. One came into the fight on late notice the other he impressively KO'd very early in the fight. But it didn't show us much about Conor other than he can hit hard. And we already knew that. He does not belong in the same sentence as Anderson .. G.S.P. .. B.J. . or any of the other guys you mention. This is one of the reasons his fall is a hot topic. People put him in the same league of all the greats of the sport. When he is no were near them

I wouldn't put him as a favorite over Aldo. It is a toss up to me. If Aldo comes in with the same game plan as last fight he gets KO'd again. Just like in the first fight, This is Aldo's fight to lose. And I have a feeling he is going to. Despite being the over all better fighter.

Conor 100% lost his chance for the 155lb title. He can get it back by defending his belt a couple more times and making people believe again. But that is a tall order for him to do with Aldo around the corner and Edgar knocking at his door.

You are right about the subtle messages UFC are using. But Most fans aren't tricked. Everyone knows this was a LW fight fought in the WW division.

This isn't just one loss. It is a loss that confirms Conors lack of ground game. Mendes shined a light on it and Diaz put a stamp on it. This was suppose to be a gimmie fight for Conor. A late replacement fighter with a win one lose one record. But also a fighter that has a name and following to make Conor win list look pretty and give him a little extra push into a big fight at UFC 200.


This is what I think is going to happen. If Conor defends against Aldo. WHich most likely is his next fight. He then Lobbies for a rematch with Nate Diaz at 155lbs and gets it. He makes some adjustments and makes it a fight and even winning the first 2 + rounds before he gets Rocked / TKO / Subbed again in the later rounds. He then Goes back down to defend against Edgar and he loses the 145lb title and is forever in fighter limbo beating most that can't take him down and sub him. But losing to most that can get him to the ground. Or worse he loses to Aldo and his limbo starts sooner than expected.

Dana on Diaz vs Conor :
"It's breaking every record we ever had," said White. "It's the biggest fight ever."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/3/6...n-mcgregor-vs-diaz-its-the-biggest-fight-ever

One win and they make the rematch.


Literally agree with every word you wrote. It is exactly how I see it going.

UFC trying to cover their tracks... WW fight.. give me a break

Was 100% LW fighters, and one had a camp and the other didn't

McGregor's ground game is 0

I think Aldo can 100% beat him, and if that happens... CM's money train slows down. Regardless the dude made bank, so good for him.
 
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Literally agree with every word you wrote. It is exactly how I see it going.

UFC trying to cover their tracks... WW fight.. give me a break

Was 100% LW fighters, and one had a camp and the other didn't

McGregor's ground game is 0

I think Aldo can 100% beat him, and if that happens... CM's money train slows down. Regardless the dude made bank, so good for him.

Just like the first fight .. It's Aldo's fight to lose. If he comes in fighting smart, I believe he gets the win.


^ this. This is exactly my point.

Events with Conor McGregor headlining them will continue to do massive business and make everyone involved lots and lots and lots of money. Losing one fight at welterweight to Nate Diaz, unprepared or otherwise, won't make a lick of difference. It'll be a talking point for his next opponent, nothing more.

Losing his belt at some point in the future, or losing a couple of fights in a row? That might. Emphasis on "might", BTW. As long as he continues to be entertaining, both in and out of the ring, I think he'll even be able to weather that kind of bad run.

No-one is arguing that Conor won't continue to be a big draw. He will be less of one. His fan base will shrink. If I am sure of anything in MMA it is that fans like to jump ship once a fighter starts losing.

Conor built this aura around himself of a guy that can beat anyone at any weight. That aura is gone. And it doesn't help his brand. His fans were talking about Conor vs Robbie lawler if Conor beat Diaz... let that sink in... People wanted Conor to get a title shot at 170lb for beating a out of shape mid tier 155lb fighter in the 170lb division. And the sick part is it might of got set up. This loss might of been a blessing in disguise for Conor.

His next fight will do good numbers. He is still the champ after all and people want to see him win and others want to see him fail. But the numbers would have been bigger if he would have beat Diaz. His drawing power will take a hit once the losses start racking up. Which is going to happen. You can't be a constant winner vs. elite competition in MMA with very limited ground game.
 
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Fourth, people are massively, massively overreacting to one loss. You know who else has losses on their record, even some more embarrassing than this one? Anderson Silva. GSP. BJ Penn. Matt Hughes. Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson and Manny Pacquiao for crying out loud. They're all viewed as legends of combat sport, despite having a few losses here and there.

I couldn't disagree more.
People are simply reacting to Conor being exposed.

The fighters you mentioned were household names before they faced an unexpected defeat.

Can we say that about Conor?

I don't think so. The guy was artificially turned into a Mega Star before defending his belt.

He was given a title shot after beating Dennis Siver(!):eek:
People were praising him before the Aldo fight.
After that fight, everyone was riding the Conor's hype train talking about his confidence and how ground breaking his technique was. Some said he was revolutionizing MMA. WTF

The bottom line is that he hadn't been tested until saturday, when he got his ass kicked by an unprepared gate keeper with a 18-10 record and a 2-3 on his last 5 fights.

That only proves Conor doesn't belong at 170. That's it.
And most likely neither at 155.
He should stick to KOing midgets at 145 taking advantage of his height and reach.

He is a good fighter. but overrated.
 
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Cat just twitted she wants a shot at Tate.

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Yo @danawhite give me that fight!! @UFC @MieshaTate I beat her before, let me do it again! #Zingano/Tate2 #UFC200


I been waiting for her to get back in the cage. I am not sure if she deserves a title shot. She hasn't fought in over a year. Ring rust is real. Lets see her in a non title fight first.
 
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I'm glad to see McGregor going back to 145 division. Jose Aldo and Frankie Edgar are still great matches for McGregor.
 
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I couldn't disagree more.
People are simply reacting to Conor being exposed.

The fighters you mentioned were household names before they faced an unexpected defeat.

Can we say that about Conor?

I don't think so. The guy was artificially turned into a Mega Star before defending his belt.

LOL there's nothing artificial about the numbers McGregor has been pulling since he started in the UFC. You can complain until you're blue in the face about whether he deserved his title shots, whether he really is a P4P great or whatever else. I won't argue on those points, he's very clearly been given a push for business reasons. But you can't argue that he's already a massive star in the sport, and is more of a household name than Silva or GSP or Hughes or BJ ever were or ever will be.

And as for when people had their losses - GSP lost to Matt Hughes in his very first shot at the UFC title (a title shot he got off the back of just two fights in the organisation, and in just his eighth pro fight). He went on to win the title but lost it again in his very first defense. Anderson Silva got a title shot in just his second UFC fight. BJ Penn got a UFC title shot in his fourth ever pro fight. McGregor took more UFC fights than any of them to get his first title shot.

Sure, those were different times and again, I'm not saying that McGregor is necessarily in the same league as those guys. But history doesn't care that those guys lost some fights or got their title shots relatively quickly. Depending on what he does in the future, history won't care that McGregor lost this fight either. Saying this one fight is proof that McGregor is a fraud and this is the end of him as a major draw in the sport is, categorically, a massive overreaction.

Cat just twitted she wants a shot at Tate.

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Yo @danawhite give me that fight!! @UFC @MieshaTate I beat her before, let me do it again! #Zingano/Tate2 #UFC200


I been waiting for her to get back in the cage. I am not sure if she deserves a title shot. She hasn't fought in over a year. Ring rust is real. Lets see her in a non title fight first.

LOL she's even less likely to get that shot than Nunes - IMO the WBW belt is gonna be tied up in rematches between Tate, Rousey and Holm for at least the next year :p
 
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LOL she's even less likely to get that shot than Nunes - IMO the WBW belt is gonna be tied up in rematches between Tate, Rousey and Holm for at least the next year :p


Sounds about right. Her only chance is to stay in shape and be a late replacement.

If she would hurry up and take a fight ( and win ), Her getting a title shot wouldn't be out of the question. I just want to see her back in there again.
 
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