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I was hoping for a much better match with Rousey and Holm, but Holm did her thing and I have to give her props for that. I knew from the start that Holm was going to be a tough much for Rousey, but I didn't expect it to go like that.

Like others said, Rousey was gassed in round 2 and I don't think trained and conditioned as hard as she usually does, for whatever reason. I'm confident Rousey will be back, though. She is a very skilled fighter and I hope she takes this loss as a humbling experience to train and work even harder to get back to the top. I hear there is talk about a rematch already, but I don't want to see that given to Rousey just because of who she is. I'd like to see her work her way back up there with that same drive and determination. Then I'd like to see the Rousy-Holm rematch.
 
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Wow. That's why u shouldn't try to outbox a taller fighter.

That's a message for Aldo. Take downs all night long.
 
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. So much talk, no action, from Ronda Rousey. Silly **** got what she deserves. All that bullshit talk she does was annoying the shit out of me, and in the end, she got her ass handed to her EASILY. I was getting tired of her throwing tantrum here and there. She should just retire and focus on filming. I don't think rematch will be any different.

Congrats to Holly Holm. True humble champion.
 
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FWIW I don't believe for a second that she trained less for this fight than any previous one. Whether she trained smart for this fight, or was being trained by the right person, is another question entirely I guess.

Tarverdyan has given an interview since the fight basically saying that Ronda was following the game plan they'd set out... so read into that what you will. I suppose they figured it only had to work once (getting the clinch then takedown)

As for gassing out I was surprised by that too, but bull rushing someone over and over and over again, missing pretty much every time and eating hard shots to the face for your trouble will probably gas anyone out.

One possibly connected thought on that matter: Mike Dolce, who's in charge of Rousey's weight cut, was one of the most outspoken critics of the ban on IV rehydration. It's pretty obvious it was a technique he relied on heavily to get his clients back in fighting shape after their weight cuts. This would have been her first fight since it was banned, so I wonder if that had any effect?

EDIT: here's the comments from Tarverdyan on the game plan: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/...rverdyan-holly-holm-didnt-better-striking-mma
 
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^^^^

You might be right about the IV comment. I'm not trying to take anything away from the new champion. But that wasn't the same in shape / conditioned Ronda I have been watching fight. I think she has too much on her plate / and she honestly believed that no one could come close to beating her. Causing her to not train as much / hard / properly as she use to.

That being said. I think the only way she wins the rematch is to finish the new champion within the first two rounds. I don't see Ronda doing too well in the later rounds.
 
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Well holm did her homework and deserved to win, hope ronda gets prepared for the rematch and take holm to her field...
 
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I'm not trying to take anything away from the new champion. But that wasn't the same in shape / conditioned Ronda I have been watching fight. I think she has too much on her plate / and she honestly believed that no one could come close to beating her. Causing her to not train as much / hard / properly as she use to.

Honestly though, how much information about her conditioning can you really take away from fights that last less than a minute?!? Basically none.

The only fight we've ever seen her in that went any kind of distance was the second Tate fight and, sure enough, if you go back and watch it you'll notice Rousey slowing down after the first round. Maybe not as badly as she slowed down in this fight, but Tate didn't force her to waste anywhere near as much energy as Holm did either. Tate gave Rousey the clinch most of the time. Holm forced her to miss and then chase again.

For what it's worth too, Rousey has never been a Frankie Edgar or GSP style fighter, the kind who tailors their conditioning expecting to fight a full five rounds every time they step in the ring. Rousey is built to do what she's done in all but one of her previous fights: finish in the shortest time possible.

I agree she almost certainly believe that nobody could beat her. That's always been a strength for her in the past, though it obviously backfired here. Also as mentioned above I don't think she necessarily trained smart for this fight.

But there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that she didn't train as much or as hard as she has for any other bout. I don't believe she had that much more on her plate outside the gym than she had for any other fight either (the past few years she's always doing some kind of media or promo work or whatever).
 
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I will just lay out my points on why my theory might be correct.

There is an interview I watched, Dana White talks about the rematch. Says it won't be for awhile because, regardless of the loss , Ronda has allot going on. One thing he mentions is she is acting in a movie.

Ronda was tired by the end of round 1. It was a high pace round but this is a woman who has been doing MMA for awhile. Placed 3rd in Judo. I think it's unlikely if she trained as hard for this fight as the previous ones she gasses so quickly.

Her body looked softer than in previous fights.

She thought without a doubt that no one could beat her. It was just not going to happen in her mind. Off course this mind set could be good but eventually someone might get to thinking. Meh, I don't have to do all this training .. I'm going to win anyways.

Again it's just my theory. I think we see a better conditioned / prepared Ronda next fight. But it still might not be enough to win her the belt back.
 
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Putting my satisfaction aside of Rousey getting her ass handed to her, real reason why Rousey lost is bcz she was disadvantaged in many ways.

Just look at their stance. Ronda Rousey is orthodox while Holly Holm is Southpaw. This itself makes it harder to attempt any takedowns or apply her judo compared to two fighters having same stance. Not only that, Holly Holm didn't have to adjust her stand-up style to prepare for ground game defense. Holm also has 3 inch reach advantage. This allows her to pick Rousey apart, not to mention Holm's excellent stand-up skills she's acquired through countless years of pro boxing. That's real analysis of why Rousey lost.

In order for Rousey to have any chance to win in a rematch, first step is to fire Edmond and hire a better boxing coach or get a top Muay Thai coach who can train her up to utilize her punches, elbows, knees, and kicks while using all of them to set up takedowns. Edmond is a terrible coach. If you exclude Rousey's record and look at Edmond's fighters, their record is terrible once they were under his management. Jake Ellenberger and Travis Browne are examples of how terrible they became under Edmond.

Only then, will Ronda have better result and a better chance of beating Holly Holm. Ronda has to realize, it's her superior judo skills and her diligence to become the best that made her the best. It's not Edmond. Edmond is a terrible coach. My Muay Thai coach Kru Rex when I used to train Muay Thai, who referees World Muay Thai matches, is a better coach than Edmond. Not only my trainer but also, Melchor Menor, a world Muay Thai trainer is a better coach than Edmond. And what? Edmond was telling Rousey that she's doing great after end of round 1? LOL. What a joke.
 
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Putting my satisfaction aside of Rousey getting her ass handed to her,

Why so much hate? I mean, i'm not a Ronda fan, but i know she is a good fighter. Don't think she deserves all this negativity. People are happy to see her down. Wonder why
 
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Why so much hate? I mean, i'm not a Ronda fan, but i know she is a good fighter. Don't think she deserves all this negativity. People are happy to see her down. Wonder why

I'd volunteer her attitude be the reason for that matey
 
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Just look at their stance. Ronda Rousey is orthodox while Holly Holm is Southpaw. This itself makes it harder to attempt any takedowns or apply her judo compared to two fighters having same stance. Not only that, Holly Holm didn't have to adjust her stand-up style to prepare for ground game defense. Holm also has 3 inch reach advantage. This allows her to pick Rousey apart, not to mention Holm's excellent stand-up skills she's acquired through countless years of pro boxing. That's real analysis of why Rousey lost.

Yeah, not a lot of people have focussed on that but Holm being a southpaw (and a very good, mobile one at that) seems to have been a huge factor in this fight. I'm not a super-educated boxer or anything, but there were a few things even I could see:

For one thing, Holm was able to get outside foot on Ronda a lot, setting up both her punches and her angle for escape afterwards. Robbie Lawler is another example of a southpaw who's excellent at taking advantage of this position.

For another, in past bouts with orthodox fighters Rousey has been able to get in exchanges where she can land with her left arm over her opponent's right shoulder, pretty much giving her the setup for a throw (see the Alexis Davis fight, for example - from memory Tate gave that spot to her multiple times too). Holm being a southpaw made it very difficult for Rousey to land in that spot.
 
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Why so much hate? I mean, i'm not a Ronda fan, but i know she is a good fighter. Don't think she deserves all this negativity. People are happy to see her down. Wonder why

Because she's a rude b****. She's always talking bullshit and disrespects her opponents. Bullies Miesha Tate, and outside of MMA, she talks garbage stuff like she can beat up any male boxers, she can beat up Miesha Tate's boyfriend who's also a pro MMA fighter, and at one point, she said she can beat up Floyd Mayweather, and then prior to fighting Holm, she threw tantrum and said Holly is a fake person and during staredown, she bumped her head against Holly and then almost fought. She's got no class. I hated her personality although I respected her skills. But it's about time someone shut that c*** for once and Holm did it very well. And then upon arrival to the airport, she covers her face. She can't admit defeat. You don't see Anderson Silva, GSP, Fedor or other former reigning champions act like this. Or Manny Pacquiao after getting knocked out by Marquez after winning so many fights.

She also says stupid shit such as she wants to beat the shit out of Kardashian. Really? I know I don't like Kardashian but you're gonna fight a woman who has never gripped a fist in her life? LOL. She feels good about being capable of beating up Kardashian anyday. LOL.

When fighters like Anderson Silva lost to Chris Weidman, I still congratulated Anderson Silva for being one of top fighters in the world and made middleweight division entertaining. Anderson Silva has class. Ronda Rousey doesn't.

She acts like a typical Los Angeles Valley Girl. I am from Los Angeles btw. I hate this city but unfortunately, my job that I love is in this city and my job is dependent on this city.
 
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Because she's a rude b****. She's always talking bullshit and disrespects her opponents. and at one point, she said she can beat up Floyd Mayweather, and then prior to fighting Holm, she threw tantrum and said Holly is a fake person and during staredown, she bumped her head against Holly and then almost fought. She's got no class. I hated her personality although I respected her skills.

Have in mind she's the greatest name of the company. So she HAS to sell the fight no matter how. Her job is not only to fight but to promote the fight.

Come on. She`s not the first one to do what she did during staredowns, and you know it. That`s the fight business. Vitor x Anderson - Nick Diaz x BJ Penn - Jones x Cormier. Just to name a few off the top of my head, there are plenty more.

It was Joe Rogan and Dana who said all that bs that she could beat Floyd or other men.


She also says stupid shit such as she wants to beat the shit out of Kardashian. Really? I know I don't like Kardashian but you're gonna fight a woman who has never gripped a fist in her life? LOL. She feels good about being capable of beating up Kardashian anyday. LOL.

I guess you haven't seen this video.


Anderson Silva has class. Ronda Rousey doesn't.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Dude says the only person who can beat him is his clone.
Dude mocks Damian Maia WHILE fighting.
Dude gets caught on antidoping and blames a stranger who gave him a natural viagra from Thailand.

and u say he has class...

 
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Have in mind she's the greatest name of the company. So she HAS to sell the fight no matter how. Her job is not only to fight but to promote the fight.

Yeah, this has a lot to do with it IMO. I'm not saying for a second that Rousey is some kind of angel, she's clearly embraced a heel-style personality. And I thought the incident with Holm at the weigh ins was silly and uncalled-for too.

But at the end of the day she's doing a job, and that's trying to sell a fight. And in this case, she wasn't just being asked to sell any old fight. She was being asked to sell a fight where the UFC fully expected her to break their live attendance record, something that hadn't been topped since GSP, in his home town, in his prime, with a stellar undercard. Rousey was being asked to do it on the other side of the world, in a market where the vast majority of the public is either indifferent to the UFC at best or, at worst, openly hostile to the idea of "barbaric cage fighting".

Trust me, I know, I live here. If they had've gone with the original headliner of Lawler v Condit there's no way the media or the public would have embraced the event like they did - they'd probably have moved it back to a 15,000-seat venue rather than the 56,000 they ended up selling.

So anyway, my point is she might not be the most likeable person in the organisation - but her job isn't to be likeable, it's to sell fights. And I'd cut her a lot of slack for working her ass off to do a job that maybe only one other person in the world right now (Conor McGregor) could have done in trying to fill that arena.

As for covering her face at the airport c'mon, that's just smart business. I can't think of anybody that wins (other than the tabloids and gossip sites) if photos of Rousey's busted up face get plastered all over the internet. And you've gotta imagine her face looks pretty damn busted up right now...
 
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I just about fell over laughing when I read this quote from Dana White, about the social media backlash to Rousey after her loss:

"But the stuff on social media and the things I've seen, they're just dirty, horrible people that just love to come out and be nasty and be negative. And with social media, even idiots can have opinions, too."​

Methinks Mr White might just be the pot that calls the kettle black... :p
 
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Have in mind she's the greatest name of the company. So she HAS to sell the fight no matter how. Her job is not only to fight but to promote the fight.

Come on. She`s not the first one to do what she did during staredowns, and you know it. That`s the fight business. Vitor x Anderson - Nick Diaz x BJ Penn - Jones x Cormier. Just to name a few off the top of my head, there are plenty more.

It was Joe Rogan and Dana who said all that bs that she could beat Floyd or other men.

Joe Rogan: Ronda Rousey might beat 50% of men at 135 in UFC - YouTube



I guess you haven't seen this video.

Why UFC Champ Chris Weidman wants to punch Floyd Mayweather & Justin Bieber - YouTube



Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Dude says the only person who can beat him is his clone.
Dude mocks Damian Maia WHILE fighting.
Dude gets caught on antidoping and blames a stranger who gave him a natural viagra from Thailand.

and u say he has class...

Dana White 'Embarrassed' by Anderson Silva at UFC 112 - YouTube

The difference between Weidman and Rousey is, Weidman was ASKED who would he punch and was left with choices. He had to choose one, opposed to Rousey, who just said it out of the blue during red carpet that she wants to beat the shit out of Kardashian. While I don't care about Kardashians bcz I don't like them either, it's quite childish imo. Weidman doesn't come randomly out of the blue and say he wants to beat the shit out of justin bieber or mayweather. He was asked, who would he love, get drunk with, and punch and had to assign those roles to 3 people, who were Rousey, Rock, and Mayweather. I would've assigned it the same way myself. However, I don't go randomly to the red carpet and when asked about Kardashian, I don't go out and say I wanna beat the shit out of them in front of media.

Anderson Silva is known for clowning his opponents DURING the fight. There's a difference between clowning your opponent during the fight and verbally abusing your opponent before and after, such as what Rousey did to Tate. Clowing your opponent is part of strategy to frustrate your opponent and nowhere in the rulebook is that illegal. Anderson Silva clowns his opponents fighting skills DURING the fight by bobbing and weaving, toying with their stand-up skills. Of course, this costed him against his first fight against Weidman.

Anderson Silva may not fully be class but he's still got way more class than Rousey will ever have. Let's talk about other reigning champions, such as Jose Aldo, GSP.

She was trying to pull what Mayweather did in terms of gaining publicity but unfortunately, she doesn't realize that Mayweather CHOOSES his opponents he can confidently beat, opposed to Rousey, who's faced with fighters that UFC and Dana White matches her up with. It's why Mayweather never had to worry about getting defeated opposed to Rousey, who should realize she'll be out of her prime or face greater female fighter since women MMA is relatively new. So she has to know the consequences of losing if she loses if she plans to talk garbage bullshit all the time on media. Mayweather clearly fought only for money. Rousey clearly fought to actually prove she's the greatest women fighter in the history. So in that sense, I respect Rousey way more than Mayweather, hence the reason why I stated that I respect her skills. Mayweather is a coward pos. Rousey is a true warrior at the end of the day and she's second best woman fighter in the world. But it still doesn't change the fact that she acts like a c***.

Gina Carano didn't act like one and she's one of legends of women MMA who initially put women MMA on the map, while Ronda picked up where Gina left off and popularized it.

I honestly think unless Rousey fires Edmond and hires better boxing coach or top notch Muay Thai trainer, she's done for. My prediction is, she'll probably quit MMA and move onto movies like what Gina did, which I wouldn't blame her bcz it's a smarter move anyways, especially with millions she's making off hollywood and social media.
 
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Gina Carano didn't act like one and she's one of legends of women MMA who initially put women MMA on the map, while Ronda picked up where Gina left off and popularized it.

I honestly think unless Rousey fires Edmond and hires better boxing coach or top notch Muay Thai trainer, she's done for. My prediction is, she'll probably quit MMA and move onto movies like what Gina did, which I wouldn't blame her bcz it's a smarter move anyways, especially with millions she's making off hollywood and social media.

N'yeah... except Carano isn't even close to being on the same level as Rousey - in or out of the cage.

And while you can say that GSP, Silva and other champions on the men's side of the game are paragons of virtue who sell their fights without resorting to douchebaggery you're conspicuously leaving off the men who do engage in that behaviour.

Jon Jones, who is still the sport's P4P king and still one of its biggest draws, for example. He's a bigger douche than Rousey will ever be. Daniel Cormier has proved he's not below sinking to that level either. Chael Sonnen made a career out of this exact kind of behavour, with the kicker that he couldn't back it up in the ring like Rousey could. Let's not even get started on Conor McGregor, who proves that people do this because it works... hell, even Mighty Mouse is starting to engage in his own tame version of this behaviour because nobody was paying attention to him when he was being polite and respectful to everyone.

And that's before you go back in the sport's history. If you look at the kind of fighters who made the sport big in the first place, and broke the kind of ground for the men's game that Rousey broke for women, you'll find guys like Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz who acted like total assclowns, but did what was required to get their fights noticed.

So while I know she's the topic du jour, I don't really understand why you're singling Rousey out. If anything, she's just following the exact template that male fighters have been setting out for over a decade.
 
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UFC Mexico Today

Magny (Reach 80 in) vs Gastelum (Reach 71 in)

I want to see this fight :) I hope Gastelum will win today :)

Good Luck Kelvin :D

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Although I think Conor is a one dimensional overrated fighter, I respect his honesty here.

"You would not understand the amount of times I felt like a monkey in the zoo, locked in a cage and they feed me a banana and tell me to dance."

I was surprised to hear some criticism against UFC during an interview for the UFC official channel.

 
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Great fight & great win by Magny. Some great stuff (transitions, etc.) in first 3 rounds. Was on the edge of my chair for that one & was bummed when Neil got caught there in the 4th (AHHHHH!!!!!).

His win helped me to actually pick up a profit on the night for the 3rd time in-a-row now. Also managed to win a decent parlay there too! (its unusual for me to win on UFC betting... I tend to bet with my heart instead of my head... & know that I can't help myself. Yah.. I even bet on 'The Nightmare' tonight, lol.. sigh).
 
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Great fight & great win by Magny. Some great stuff (transitions, etc.) in first 3 rounds. Was on the edge of my chair for that one & was bummed when Neil got caught there in the 4th (AHHHHH!!!!!).

His win helped me to actually pick up a profit on the night for the 3rd time in-a-row now. Also managed to win a decent parlay there too! (its unusual for me to win on UFC betting... I tend to bet with my heart instead of my head... & know that I can't help myself. Yah.. I even bet on 'The Nightmare' tonight, lol.. sigh).


Yes Good Fight for Magny :) Good Round 4 for Kelvin :)

Profit on the Night :D Cool

"The Nightmare" if you bet on Him :p (Maybe is last fight ?)

This fight was really fun to watch :D

It may need a crutch Today :p

Good Fight for Ricardo Lamas (no 4)
 
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Looking forward to December 10-12... Three nights of UFC fights culminating with a great Main Card on the 12.
 
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