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I have been playing poker for only 3 years and my recommendations are as follows: Play poker on those sites with which the CardsChat community cooperates. Do not keep more money in your poker accounts than you can afford to spend. Follow bankroll management and be a disciplined player. And I think my tips will be more useful :)
 
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Play poker on those sites with which the CardsChat community cooperates.
Its also fine to play on sites, that CC is not affiliated with, as long as it is well known and reputable sites like GG Poker or pokerstars. The reason, CC is currently not affiliated with these sites is not, that they are unsafe or bad, but that they are not interested. For people living in most of the USA, they can not play on these major sites, but "offshore" sites like BetOnline, ACR, ignition or Global Poker are definitely safer than private Poker Apps or clubs like the one being advertised in this thread.
Do not keep more money in your poker accounts than you can afford to spend. Follow bankroll management and be a disciplined player. And I think my tips will be more useful :)
All excellent advice :)
 
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I've been playing poker for about 7-8 years, and for at least 2-3 years I've been playing at BetOnline. I can say that Betonline is a good, reliable site, I have regularly withdrawn money from it and never had any problems, moreover, I have never noticed any fraud there. The site you mention, BluffShove, I've never heard of it and I have big doubts about its reliability.
I am glad you have.. I think that I might have been allright on there if I did not play on cash tables.. watching people play normal for hours then call you with 8-3 off suit and you are holding aces and they hit runner runner for your stack... but as far as the tournaments you can look up the suspected collusion list and watch them all register just before late reg ends every time.. Now with the recent discovery with GG poker where the player achieved god mode exploiting a bug in the system all that stuff seems a lot more fishy... then GG poker stops reporting to sharkscope... the fact that a player could read other players equity by using a bug tells me that software engineers either rig the rng code or someone reverse engineered it ... again or the bug would not have been exploited in the first place.
 
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watching people play normal for hours then call you with 8-3 off suit and you are holding aces and they hit runner runner for your stack...
Which proves exactly what? That they know which cards are coming? There is zero proof of that kind of cheating having ever happened on any poker site or for that matter live poker stream. Also if someone really had found this amazing hack, there would be far better ways to exploit it than to make a "crazy" call with junk, when someone have pocket aces. Like for instance fold draws on the flop, when they are going to miss. And honestly there is nothing new here. Our "bad beats and vents" forum is full of statements like this covering almost two decades.
Now with the recent discovery with GG poker where the player achieved god mode exploiting a bug in the system all that stuff seems a lot more fishy... then GG poker stops reporting to sharkscope... the fact that a player could read other players equity by using a bug tells me that software engineers either rig the rng code or someone reverse engineered it ... again or the bug would not have been exploited in the first place.
Yes GG Poker regrettably had a security breach. More specifically the breach was, that their software calculate each players equity, so it can be displayed, when players are all-in with no more action to come. Some other sites do that to, and on ACR there is graphics and sound, when it moves to or crosses 50%. This is done to create excitement for recreational players. But apparently on GG Poker the numbers are calculated, even when there is action to come, and someone unfortunately got hold of this information in real time. However a security breach at GG Poker does not make private poker clubs more safe.
 
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Ok so yes you can deposit and withdraw using crypto but there is other cash options as well. As far as BetOnline... no.. it does not make sense for a call... from a player that never plays those hands... and then you track the player on sharkscope.. their account exists for a couple months... then you keep track of others and you keep seeing the pattern.. The site does literally nothing about collusion... again I am not a baby .. im a veteran of online gambling. you do not have to explain to me how "that just happens" I have had my share of bad streaks.. I know what is normal and what is not.. I posted videos of playing on BluffShove on youtube If it is ok to post the link to the video please let me know. Fundiver everything you said is a matter of opinion not a matter of fact. My observation of the reports and videos and personal experience with poker sites is that they downplay any cheating and that will always be the case.. The fact is that since gambling has existed casinos have always found new and better ways to squeeze as much as they can out of players and it is not unheard of for casinos to cheat and gamblers have always been finding ways to squeeze the casinos or other players for that matter and they will never stop trying to find ways to cheat...The sites try to catch people but it is the veteran players that catch the majority of the card cheaters...now with the new tech of GTO and other similar hand solvers nearly anyone with two seperate devices can cheat the other players... There are tell tail signs of this and the players can tell if someone is using a solver... unless that person is really really good at what they do and are able to automate the solvers without being detected.. The lower the stakes the lower chance you have of being cheated... but low stakes makes it harder to win due to the pile of hands that you should not be up against due to newbs and donkey fests that occur. I personally would play higher stakes online if it were required that you have to have a specified set up and you were being monitored by an aproved camera system... I wish I lived closer to a brick and mortor card room. In my opinion if you honestly feel safe playing on BetOnline you should not have a problem playing anywhere. I wish you all luck and congrats to the ten percent of players that turn profit.. If you want real advice on how to improve your play record yourself playing and I will watch your play through and give you honest advice on what you are doing wrong... By the way my chanel also has a video of the end result of my 2nd place win on a tripple satelite to a wsop ranked event... I am only the second person in the world to hit the trifecta and cash in the top two in the final without any rebuys or add ons... the other guy cashed for like a hundred more than me... low stakes legend... and I plan on being the only player to ever do it twice.
 
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I will repeat again: how many people...so many opinions . There were similar threads recently.
I know for sure that there are people who make money from online poker.
On a daily there are on average about 35 ish during the summer... the winter and weekends there can be up to double.. contrary to what the two trolls said above without actually playing on the site that there is someone to complain to... if collusion is suspected the players get watched very closley and if you report collusion the game is being watched asap... I did notice suspicious activity and trust me it was watched immediatly.. this was 5 months ago before verification was a requirement... since then I havent seen anything at all to arouse suspicion of collusion or anything else for that matter. For the player pool some of the promotions are sick... like equal to what the big sites do...and yes he makes good on them. and yes you get your money when you want to cash out.. I only deposited once and withdrew at least 4 times now i believe... its a fun place for a shark. I would like to point out the negative comments about it are people assuming this or that with zero evidence of this or that... literally not one person has claimed to have been cheated or not got their money or anything like that.. the reason i am actually taking time to talk with people about this and to look at peoples playing patterns to help them is because i have no choice to be a couch potato due to my now 5th major surgery in 3 years... I really have nothing better to do than play poker and maybe help a player or two inprove their game... low stakes is honestly the toughest place to consistantly win due to the terrible play... Im really freaking good at it though. I did recently upload a couple videos on youtube showing play on the site... I have a problem with my internet.. I did record more video with a better connection... I made a shitty mistake in the tourney and accidently left my recorder on but ill trim it up and have it up before tomorrow.
 
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I too have a long history in poker... not gonna bore anyone with that but I am familiar with Bluff Shove..., it's a site like Poker Bros etc., it uses play chip software that anyone can use cheaply, it's not a registered site, the domain for Bluff Shove is a GoDaddy account in Tempe, Az. PokerFraudAlert is an interesting site regarding these type of sites that offer no info and therefore no recourse to customers....., , friendly tip, don't give your personal details or money to any site without any credentials what so ever....😎👍
Have you played there? I did read that report on poker fraud alert.. then I did a search on the guy claiming to have lent him money and got ripped off... I also found the podcast and listened to it... I actually have a few friends higher up in the industry in vegas and I am just going to say that the guy claiming to be ripped off is known very well around town and also has a rep of not being reliable... also if this is true why did he not take the owner of bluff to court... I really want to bring this up to him and see what he has to say but I have not. I heard second hand that it is some kind of blackmale scheme but who actually knows... and the event that he talked about him not being able to pay... the final tournament the top four players wanted to chop the buy in money... Bluff really wanted a player at that event but to be loyal to his players he allowed them to chop the full buy in amount and paid them imediatly. I cashed out 4 times as well with no issues. I would like to ad that for a site that size that was a SICK promotion and he made good on his gurantee... now if he screwed any player i am sure there would be some reoprt of it out there somewhere... I would be weary of depositing on such a place... but a very reliable friend of mine told me about it and thats how I made my way there. I def have zero regrets about giving it a try.
 
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I have concentrated, studied and dedicated more time to the poker activity and the change was very big, which I show with this... that when you are a good player you win more and when you are a bad player you earn less. In other words, if it were a scam, there really should be no variability between the good and the bad player. Both good and bad players will be ripped off. That is why I am one of those who defend that poker is a fair game that has its share of strategy and its share of chance. But in the long run the good player is a winner, there is a reason why professional players exist
 
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Poker with (almost) 100% certainty of not having cheating is live.
 
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Poker with (almost) 100% certainty of not having cheating is live.
Unfortunately there is also cheating in live poker. Always has been and always will be. Obviously its safer, if you play in a reputable casino than a private home game or an illegal poker club. But there are still going to be some people, who attempt to cheat or run scummy angles. Just to give one example of obvious cheating, during this years WSOP "Colossus" there was a 3-way all-in, and when the winner collected his chips, some were lacking, because another player had taken back some of the chips, he had put into the pot in order to call the all-in bet. At least this can not happen online, so there are also areas, where online poker is more safe than live poker.
 
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Unfortunately there is also cheating in live poker. Always has been and always will be. Obviously its safer, if you play in a reputable casino than a private home game or an illegal poker club. But there are still going to be some people, who attempt to cheat or run scummy angles. Just to give one example of obvious cheating, during this years WSOP "Colossus" there was a 3-way all-in, and when the winner collected his chips, some were lacking, because another player had taken back some of the chips, he had put into the pot in order to call the all-in bet. At least this can not happen online, so there are also areas, where online poker is more safe than live poker.

online poker is 100% fraud because you never know if the cards are dealt fairly, even if the cards are dealt fairly they are still available to someone, they can be manipulated and influenced

online poker has a history of each player from the first game, everything is recorded, so each player is closely monitored, both wins and losses
 
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online poker is 100% fraud because you never know if the cards are dealt fairly, even if the cards are dealt fairly they are still available to someone, they can be manipulated and influenced
Why are you still playing then? If its "100% fraud" it seems like, there would be many better ways to spend your time? Or are you just trolling the forum as usual? ;)
 
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Why are you still playing then? If its "100% fraud" it seems like, there would be many better ways to spend your time? Or are you just trolling the forum as usual? ;)
I keep playing because I'm sick, just like a drug addict needs his, I need poker, do you understand now?
but it's not that I'm stupid, I would even consider myself sufficiently understanding and intelligent

but I know a lot of things that are not right in connection with online poker
 
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I keep playing because I'm sick, just like a drug addict needs his, I need poker, do you understand now?
Self exclusion is offered by most sites, and in some countries you can put yourself on a list, that excludes you from all regulated gambling sites. I think, that might be the best solution for you.
 
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Self exclusion is offered by most sites, and in some countries you can put yourself on a list, that excludes you from all regulated gambling sites. I think, that might be the best solution for you.
Thanks, I feel great and I know my rights !
 
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The lower the stakes the lower chance you have of being cheated...
Yes exactly. I will say, that if you play micro or low stakes, cheating is not something to worry to much about on any reputable site. And if you are not winning in micro or low stakes games, then the reason is almost certainly not cheating.
but low stakes makes it harder to win due to the pile of hands that you should not be up against due to newbs and donkey fests that occur.
This statement show, that you are still a mental beginner at poker, even if you have supposedly been playing for 20 years. If people play to many hands and play them poorly, its easier to win against them, not more difficult. It might be, that "bad regs" at higher stakes are more predictable and therefore somewhat easier to play against. But that does not mean, they are easier to beat, since they tend to not make big mistakes, you can profit from.
I only deposited once and withdrew at least 4 times now i believe...
Its cool, that you managed to withdraw 4 times, but this does not mean, there will not be problems with payouts in the future. Ponzi schemes work fine, as long as new money is coming in, but when the flow of money dry up, or authorities crack down, then the last people to join the party are left with empty pockets. I am not saying, that this site or club is a ponzi scheme. But at the same time you have no way of knowing, if the person running the club have used someone elses money to pay you out.

With regulated sites there is actually oversight, that they dont use players deposits to cover their expenses, like infamously Full Tilt did. And unregulated sites like ACR, that have been around for 20 years and have a history of always paying out, also have a higher credibility than a brand new club run by a single individual. I would not have life changing money sitting on a site like ACR, but I still feel, that my money is safer there, than they would be, if I trusted them to some private club.
its a fun place for a shark.
Its cool, that you enjoy to play there. But I would advice you to do something different, which is to take advantage of the regulated sites, that are available to you, like WSOP or PokerStars Michigan. These are geofenced, which mean, you wont be able to participate in some of the largest online tournaments, and game selection and guaranties will be less compared to the largest international sites due to lower volume.

But there is also an upside to geofencing, which is, that you dont have to compete with regulars from all over the world including many from low or mid income areas like Eastern Europe, South America or South East Asia. And this should logically make games softer particularly at the lower stakes, where you dont have to contend with nearly as many "microstakes pros" trying to build up their bankroll or grind out a small hourly profit. And you will have the comfort of playing on sites, that are completely legal, and where there is government oversight.
 
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Yes exactly. I will say, that if you play micro or low stakes, cheating is not something to worry to much about on any reputable site. And if you are not winning in micro or low stakes games, then the reason is almost certainly not cheating.

This statement show, that you are still a mental beginner at poker, even if you have supposedly been playing for 20 years. If people play to many hands and play them poorly, its easier to win against them, not more difficult. It might be, that "bad regs" at higher stakes are more predictable and therefore somewhat easier to play against. But that does not mean, they are easier to beat, since they tend to not make big mistakes, you can profit from.

Its cool, that you managed to withdraw 4 times, but this does not mean, there will not be problems with payouts in the future. Ponzi schemes work fine, as long as new money is coming in, but when the flow of money dry up, or authorities crack down, then the last people to join the party are left with empty pockets. I am not saying, that this site or club is a ponzi scheme. But at the same time you have no way of knowing, if the person running the club have used someone elses money to pay you out.

With regulated sites there is actually oversight, that they dont use players deposits to cover their expenses, like infamously Full Tilt did. And unregulated sites like ACR, that have been around for 20 years and have a history of always paying out, also have a higher credibility than a brand new club run by a single individual. I would not have life changing money sitting on a site like ACR, but I still feel, that my money is safer there, than they would be, if I trusted them to some private club.

Its cool, that you enjoy to play there. But I would advice you to do something different, which is to take advantage of the regulated sites, that are available to you, like WSOP or PokerStars Michigan. These are geofenced, which mean, you wont be able to participate in some of the largest online tournaments, and game selection and guaranties will be less compared to the largest international sites due to lower volume.

But there is also an upside to geofencing, which is, that you dont have to compete with regulars from all over the world including many from low or mid income areas like Eastern Europe, South America or South East Asia. And this should logically make games softer particularly at the lower stakes, where you dont have to contend with nearly as many "microstakes pros" trying to build up their bankroll or grind out a small hourly profit. And you will have the comfort of playing on sites, that are completely legal, and where there is government oversight.
lower stakes are harder to win at... anyone that plays will tell you this... and the reason is because you should not have many of the hands playing because of all the bingo players at the table... its not rocket science and its not because i am a mental beginer... you loose many big pots against hands that should never be in and should never have called down... it def makes it harder to win... and if you want to challenge me ill play you heads up at any stake any time...
 
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lower stakes are harder to win at... anyone that plays will tell you this...
So basically you are saying, that lower stakes cant be beat due to all the bad players, and higher stakes cant be beat due to rampant cheating. Allow me to suggest, that the actual reason for a lack of results in online poker is typically much closer to home:

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So basically you are saying, that lower stakes cant be beat due to all the bad players, and higher stakes cant be beat due to rampant cheating. Allow me to suggest, that the actual reason for a lack of results in online poker is typically much closer to home:

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i am a long term winner ... maybe you forgot that part... you wanna play heads up for 25k?
 
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lower stakes are harder to win at... anyone that plays will tell you this... and the reason is because you should not have many of the hands playing because of all the bingo players at the table... its not rocket science and its not because i am a mental beginer... you loose many big pots against hands that should never be in and should never have called down... it def makes it harder to win... and if you want to challenge me ill play you heads up at any stake any time...
That is maybe true in the short run if u go on a very bad run against those bingo players but in the long run (poker is a long run game but u as a gambling veteran obv are aware of this fact...one would think) those players are donating. Lower stakes are certainly not more difficult to win at then higher stakes in general. That's just complete BS on ur part.

"Anyone who plays will tell u this" yeah sure lol. Anyone without a clue maybe. Ur "live" friends maybe.
 
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That is maybe true in the short run if u go on a very bad run against those bingo players but in the long run (poker is a long run game but u as a gambling veteran obv are aware of this fact...one would think) those players are donating. Lower stakes are certainly not more difficult to win at then higher stakes in general. That's just complete BS on ur part.

"Anyone who plays will tell u this" yeah sure lol. Anyone without a clue maybe. Ur "live" friends maybe.
its not harder to come out ahead.. but to maintain over 40% profit is harder... it just is..the more hands that call you down the lower your win rate will be... thats simple math... and no... i will play him anywhere....
 
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i am a long term winner
That might be, but in this thread and on your profile you have not shared any usernames on poker sites, which allow anyone to verify that claim. On WSOP you are up $4.588, but this is all due to one big cash in a $215 MTT, and you have only played 116 games for an average buyin of $5.25. Which considering the single $215 MTT is actually more like $3.5 for the rest of your games. So you simply dont have any track record on WSOP, which allow you or anyone else to evaluate your long term results. Long term results are measured over 1.000`s and 10.000`s of games.
 
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He jugado online durante más de 20 años. Siempre ha habido trampas en todas las salas de póquer. Ahora hay una nueva ola de trampas con gente que usa solucionadores... gente con bots... y con las máquinas virtuales cualquiera puede usar un bot para jugar en cualquier sitio... En mi opinión, las salas de póquer arrestan a la suficiente gente como para que parezca que están haciendo algo y la mayoría hacen la vista gorda ante las trampas... sólo quieren tus comisiones y realmente no les importa si te engañan... El único lugar en el que he jugado donde honestamente siento que nada de esto está sucediendo es BluffShove poker... a este foro no le gusta que mencione ese sitio por alguna razón... El peor sitio en el que he jugado es BetOnline... mi consejo... simplemente no lo hagas... También juego en WSOP y Poker Stars y tengo un récord ganador... Debo decir que en realidad es raro que vea algo demasiado sospechoso en esos sitios, pero sucede... de todos modos, siéntete libre de preguntarme cualquier cosa sobre
I confirm that playing online is not the same thing 20 years ago what happened, a lot of players and tools have come out that give those players an advantage. I really go on my instinct but there are times when apps don't help you.
 
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That might be, but in this thread and on your profile you have not shared any usernames on poker sites, which allow anyone to verify that claim. On WSOP you are up $4.588, but this is all due to one big cash in a $215 MTT, and you have only played 116 games for an average buyin of $5.25. Which considering the single $215 MTT is actually more like $3.5 for the rest of your games. So you simply dont have any track record on WSOP, which allow you or anyone else to evaluate your long term results. Long term results are measured over 1.000`s and 10.000`s of games.
yeah and that 215 dollar mit cost me a dollar
 
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