20 years playing online. My experience and reccomendations,

[ThePunt421]

I have played online for over 20 years. There has always been cheating going on in all the poker rooms. Now there is a new wave of cheating with people using solvers..people with bots... and with virtual machiene anyone can use a bot to play on any site... In my opinion the poker rooms bust just enough people to make it look like they are doing something and mostly turn a blind eye to cheating... they just want your rakes and really dont care if you get cheated.. The only place I have played where I honestly feel like none of this is going on is BluffShove poker... this forum does not like me mentioning that site for some reason... The worst site I have played on is BetOnline... my advice... just dont.. I do play on wsop and poker stars too and have a winning record.. I do have to say that it is actually rare that i see anything too fishy on those sites but it does happen.. anyway feel free to ask me anything about any of this.

 

[OscarMartyr]

I've been doing alot better since I just focused on my table and staying top 4. Eventually I figure as long as I stay top 4 at my table I should be able to cash out alot more. But I lack on discipline. Any advice?

 

[Suns of Beaches]

@fundiver199 this guy does not give up. Now he tries to make his shilling look a big milder so the post does not get deleted 😂

 

[ThePunt421]

@fundiver199 thia guy does not give up. Now he tries to make his shilling look a big milder so the post does not get deleted 😂

i REALLY dont see anything wrong with what I posted... its only ok to talk about sites that give kickbacks to the web owners? I am not an agent for any poker rooms and I do not get any referals from the sites i mentioned... why everyone get all butthurt when someone brings up a different site.. The original should have never been taken down... I looked through every rule and I do not believe the original post was in any way in violation of the rules

 

[Suns of Beaches]

i REALLY dont see anything wrong with what I posted... its only ok to talk about sites that give kickbacks to the web owners? I am not an agent for any poker rooms and I do not get any referals from the sites i mentioned... why everyone get all butthurt when someone brings up a different site.. The original should have never been taken down... I looked through every rule and I do not believe the original post was in any way in violation of the rules

U only made an account here to shill for this site. U can deny it as much as u want u can't fool me and it should be as obv as it gets to everyone else.

I read the original post and it was rightfully taken down.

Pretty lame 🥱🥱🥱 u have to do better if u want to bluff shove on people.

 

[ThePunt421]

@fundiver199 thia guy does not give up. Now he tries to make his shilling look a big milder so the post does not get deleted 😂

I've been doing alot better since I just focused on my table and staying top 4. Eventually I figure as long as I stay top 4 at my table I should be able to cash out alot more. But I lack on discipline. Any advice?

Well first off you just have to be patient and play the best hands... position is everything! learn when to float the flop... I rarely chase hands when the blinds get high in tourneys... Sutdy your opponents and learn when to bulff.. You should only be playing around 20 percent of your hands on average.. make sure you are not fishing too much.

 

[ThePunt421]

U only made an account here to shill for this site. U can deny it as much as u want u can't fool me and it's as obv as it gets.

I read the original post and it was rightfully taken down.

why are you so butthurt about it? would you like to actually discuss the subjucts in the thread or you just going to complain about the thread?

 

[Suns of Beaches]

why are you so butthurt about it? would you like to actually discuss the subjucts in the thread or you just going to complain about the thread?

Because u are trying to promote a dodgy site noone or almost noone has ever heard of out of financial/self interest.

Nowhere u mentioned real reasons to play there. "no cheating, bots etc" does not count. U are not a credible source to tell us if those things occur on the site or not lol. Why should anyone believe u?

I see now u desperately write more posts on the forum to make ur account look more legit 😂😂 haha

 

[ThePunt421]

Because u are trying to promote a dodgy site noone or almost noone has ever heard of out of financial/self interest.

Nowhere u mentioned real reasons to play there. "no cheating, bots etc" does not count. U are not a credible source to tell us if those things occur on the site or not lol. Why should anyone believe u?

I see now u desperately write more posts on the forum to make ur account look more legit 😂😂 haha

Ok so you are completley wrong... I wouldnt see a penny if a thousand people signed up. Are you this bad at reading poker players at the tables? And after you have played millions of hands on countless sites you start to notice things... then you look deeper into it and see the bot farms and the hand solvers.. look at the betting patterns... spot collusion and chip dumping... I could go on and on... I do not play high stakes online for this reason.. but i am a low stakes poker god... I have the highest roi for low stakes in the world on WSOP... I posted the information from my perspective so other people may enjoy the same experience I have on a site that isnt so mainstream... That definatly triggers you for some reason.. You could engage in a productive conversation and ask questions or give your insight on the matter but instead you throw out loose unfounded allegations. If you follow the online poker world you would know of all the sketchy things people have uncovered... and it keeps happening. Cheating rarley does occur on lower stakes but lower stakes are not immune. there are also programs that will run bots using virtual pc and they go undetected on every site...

 

[fundiver199]

I do play on WSOP and Poker Stars too and have a winning record..

How can you play on those sites, when according to your profile you live in Illinois?

thia guy does not give up. Now he tries to make his shilling look a big milder so the post does not get deleted 😂

Exactly. And as I wrote in his previous thread, before it was taken down by a moderator, is this even a legit poker site? There is a very simple webpage, a facebook page etc., but no sign of this site being mentioned by third party sources like for instance here:

Poker Reviews - Best Online Poker Sites Reviewed 2025

Find out which online poker sites have the best promos, softest tables, best MTT schedules, and more.

www.pokerscout.com

I would consider it risky to even click the sign-up link, since the whole thing could easily be some sort of scam.

 

[ThePunt421]

How can you play on those sites, when according to your profile you live in Illinois?

Exactly. And as I wrote in his previous thread, before it was taken down by a moderator, is this even a legit poker site, or it is just some kind of scam? There is a very simple webpage, a facebook page and similar. But no trace of this site being mentioned by third party sources like for instance here:

Poker Reviews - Best Online Poker Sites Reviewed 2025

Find out which online poker sites have the best promos, softest tables, best MTT schedules, and more.

www.pokerscout.com

I would consider it quite brave to even click the sign-up link, since the whole thing could easily be some sort of scam.

I dont blame any of you for being weary of a scam... I will do a video of the next game I play and post it on youtube..

 

[ThePunt421]

How can you play on those sites, when according to your profile you live in Illinois?

Exactly. And as I wrote in his previous thread, before it was taken down by a moderator, is this even a legit poker site? There is a very simple webpage, a facebook page etc., but no sign of this site being mentioned by third party sources like for instance here:

Poker Reviews - Best Online Poker Sites Reviewed 2025

Find out which online poker sites have the best promos, softest tables, best MTT schedules, and more.

www.pokerscout.com

I would consider it risky to even click the sign-up link, since the whole thing could easily be some sort of scam.

i dont live there.. i live in Michigan.. I do not know why it says illinois.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Ok so you are completley wrong... I wouldnt see a penny if a thousand people signed up. Are you this bad at reading poker players at the tables? And after you have played millions of hands on countless sites you start to notice things... then you look deeper into it and see the bot farms and the hand solvers.. look at the betting patterns... spot collusion and chip dumping... I could go on and on... I do not play high stakes online for this reason.. but i am a low stakes poker god... I have the highest roi for low stakes in the world on WSOP... I posted the information from my perspective so other people may enjoy the same experience I have on a site that isnt so mainstream... That definatly triggers you for some reason.. You could engage in a productive conversation and ask questions or give your insight on the matter but instead you throw out loose unfounded allegations. If you follow the online poker world you would know of all the sketchy things people have uncovered... and it keeps happening. Cheating rarley does occur on lower stakes but lower stakes are not immune. there are also programs that will run bots using virtual pc and they go undetected on every site...

No sorry u are the most obv shill ever. Loose and unfounded allegations? Why u think ur threads got deleted? I read them and it could not be more obv. Why on earth would u be so desperate to tell us about this site?

The reason why u don't play high stakes online is certainly not cheating lol. It's because u are not good enough technically and mentally plus u are probably not rolled for it.

I would now like to see 2 things:

Evidence of that very high roi and concrete evidence of that cheating that occured against on those other sites.

Thanks.

 

[ThePunt421]

No sorry u are the most obv shill ever. Loose and unfounded allegations? Why u think ur threads got deleted? I read them and it could not be more obv. Why on earth would u be so desperate to tell us about this site?

The reason why u don't play high stakes online is certainly not cheating lol. It's because u are not good enough technically and mentally plus u are probably not rolled for it.

I would now like to see 2 things:

Evidence of that very high roi and concrete evidence of that cheating that occured against on those other sites.

Thanks.

No sorry u are the most obv shill ever. Loose and unfounded allegations? Why u think ur threads got deleted? I read them and it could not be more obv. Why on earth would u be so desperate to tell us about this site?

The reason why u don't play high stakes online is certainly not cheating lol. It's because u are not good enough technically and mentally plus u are probably not rolled for it.

I would now like to see 2 things:

Evidence of that very high roi and concrete evidence of that cheating that occured against on those other sites.

Thanks.

you are an insufferable troll.. for real bud... and in my opinion no one in their right mind would play high stakes online.. The only way I would do it is if everyone had to be monitored on camera...

 

[Suns of Beaches]

you are an insufferable troll.. for real bud... and in my opinion no one in their right mind would play high stakes online.. The only way I would do it is if everyone had to be monitored on camera... View attachment 367369

I'm pretty bad at poker statistics but from what I can see in this statistic it only shows 116 games in 44 active days? If this is true then u were basically running super hot over a short period of time and it means next to nothing regarding ur poker skills. U posting this as so called evidence of "highest Roi in the world at WSOP" only shows that u are completely clueless about variance and samplesize.

Come back with ur Roi after 10000+ Games if u want some serious discussion. 116 games lol what a joke 😂😂😂but sure I'm the troll here🤣🤣🤣

 

[Tammy]

Ok, so I've looked at the other posts/threads, and honestly, my moderators were correct in removing them. We've been doing this a long time, and can spot when someone is trying to hype-up a site. Sorry, @ThePunt421 - maybe it wasn't your intention, and that you just really do enjoy the site, but that's not what it looked like, or what even your first post in this thread looked like. You'd be surprised just how many people sign-up to try to advertise or push their affiliate links by first posting "hype" type posts. We have our own affiliates of top, regulated, best-known sites that we have vetted. We are not going to allow advertising of some random, unknown sites.

Having said that, it's not like you've posted affiliate links or bonus codes or actual links tot he site at all that I can see; though it looked like from your posts that it was leading up to that. I have never heard of the site that I can recall...maybe a vague memory of someone asking about it once upon a time? - so I googled too. Personally, I was not at all impressed with it. Is it a crypto site? It looks like a very basic, thrown together site. No offense, but if they take deposits I would strongly advise against anyone depositing anything there. I myself will not be creating an account there to test it out.

And...having said all that I'll allow this thread to stay up for now - but any links or seemingly advertising type posts and it will get pulled. I would also request that any statements you have about this site stay in this thread. If I see a lot of "You should play at Bluff Shove", "You should try out Bluff Shove" posts in other threads, then those will be pulled, along with this thread. Use this thread to talk about why you think the site is so great or to talk about your experience there. Discussing poker sites with the community isn't a crime.

I would remind others (cough @Suns of Beaches , cough @fundiver199 ) to not pile on members in threads. Let us (mods and admins) do our work and do our review, and report when necessary. It's not a good look for long-term members such as yourselves to appear as if you are bullying other members. I appreciate you looking out for the forum, but that's not the best way to do it. Similarly though, @ThePunt421 you should expect some skepticism as well if you plan on discussing this further in the forum.

Now let's all carry on like ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Igor G]

I have played online for over 20 years. There has always been cheating going on in all the poker rooms. Now there is a new wave of cheating with people using solvers..people with bots... and with virtual machiene anyone can use a bot to play on any site... In my opinion the poker rooms bust just enough people to make it look like they are doing something and mostly turn a blind eye to cheating... they just want your rakes and really dont care if you get cheated.. The only place I have played where I honestly feel like none of this is going on is BluffShove poker... this forum does not like me mentioning that site for some reason... The worst site I have played on is BetOnline... my advice... just dont.. I do play on WSOP and Poker Stars too and have a winning record.. I do have to say that it is actually rare that i see anything too fishy on those sites but it does happen.. anyway feel free to ask me anything about any of this.

I've been playing poker for about 7-8 years, and for at least 2-3 years I've been playing at BetOnline. I can say that Betonline is a good, reliable site, I have regularly withdrawn money from it and never had any problems, moreover, I have never noticed any fraud there. The site you mention, BluffShove, I've never heard of it and I have big doubts about its reliability.

 

[R.Melnyk77]

You've been playing for 20 years, and all you can tell us is that there are cheaters in poker and that BetOnline is bad and another site is good. After 20 years, I think you could draw more profound conclusions

 

[Tammy]

I would remind others (cough @Suns of Beaches , cough @fundiver199 ) to not pile on members in threads. Let us (mods and admins) do our work and do our review, and report when necessary. It's not a good look for long-term members such as yourselves to appear as if you are bullying other members. I appreciate you looking out for the forum, but that's not the best way to do it. Similarly though, @ThePunt421 you should expect some skepticism as well if you plan on discussing this further in the forum.

Whoops! In my post above I tagged the wrong person - meant to tag @fundiver199 (not @finaltable1 - sorry about that!) (Thanks @iwont20 for the heads up!)

 

[MK_]

I too have a long history in poker... not gonna bore anyone with that but I am familiar with Bluff Shove..., it's a site like Poker Bros etc., it uses play chip software that anyone can use cheaply, it's not a registered site, the domain for Bluff Shove is a GoDaddy account in Tempe, Az. PokerFraudAlert is an interesting site regarding these type of sites that offer no info and therefore no recourse to customers....., , friendly tip, don't give your personal details or money to any site without any credentials what so ever....😎👍

 

[Suns of Beaches]

I too have a long history in poker... not gonna bore anyone with that but I am familiar with Bluff Shove..., it's a site like Poker Bros etc., it uses play chip software that anyone can use cheaply, it's not a registered site, the domain for Bluff Shove is a GoDaddy account in Tempe, Az. PokerFraudAlert is an interesting site regarding these type of sites that offer no info and therefore no recourse to customers....., , friendly tip, don't give your personal details or money to any site without any credentials what so ever....😎👍

So it's like a club run with agents?

Op said in his deleted post that the site is free of cheating boting etc. But Clubs like Pokerbros etc who are based on play money and use agents for deposits and cashouts are notoriously known for exactly those things. Those places are rampant with cheaters of all sorts.

Given this info Op should be given even less credit.

 

[fundiver199]

Having said that, it's not like you've posted affiliate links or bonus codes or actual links tot he site at all that I can see

His first post contained a link. I was scared to click it, since it looked like a possible scam, so I googled the site instead and reported his post. A moderator then quickly removed it. Then he made another post to hype-up the site, which I also reported, and which was also quickly removed. Then he made this one, which is again very similar and obviously only intended to hype-up the site, when you see it in connection with the two deleted posts.

Yes he wrapped it up a bit better this time. But its still very obvious, that he is not here to become part of the community or share his "20 years of experience with online poker". He is here to hype-up that site for whatever reason. Given that its apparently a club run by agents like eg. PokerBros, a simple explanation would be, that he is one of the agents running the club.

I would also request that any statements you have about this site stay in this thread.

He already posted about it in another thread. Its reported.

I am familiar with Bluff Shove..., it's a site like Poker Bros etc., it uses play chip software that anyone can use cheaply, it's not a registered site, the domain for Bluff Shove is a GoDaddy account in Tempe, Az.

Thank you for the information.

friendly tip, don't give your personal details or money to any site without any credentials what so ever....😎👍

 

[MK_]

So it's like a club run with agents?

Op said in his deleted post that the site is free of cheating boting etc. But Clubs like Pokerbros etc who are based on play money and use agents for deposits and cashouts are notoriously known for exactly those things. Those places are rampant with cheaters of all sorts.

Given this info Op should be given even less credit.

......I don't even think it's organized enough to have agents, looks more like one or maybe two people to me at the most,
it's a privately owned site with no registration run on play chip software...., there's no one looking for cheating, bots,
poker teams playing together, no one to complain to if you have an issue so good luck getting paid,
first saw them on another forum a while back, came and splashed advertising and disappeared,
they have a Facebook group but it's private.... what legit poker site does that?

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Definitely going to sign-up now. Sounds as legit as it gets.

 

[millya5]

I will repeat again: how many people...so many opinions . There were similar threads recently.
I know for sure that there are people who make money from online poker.