Is the card shuffling in online poker truly random?

[manzanillo53]

My feeling is that it does not make any sense to rig the game. My only thought is that those like me that have not deposited any money are up against an algorithm prevents us from winning more then 20. I have battled to get to say 16 and then find myself getting monster cards only to get beat every time until the cash is gone. It just happens to dame often to be random. Just my thoughts.

 

[JoeKampman]

This is a subject many online players question. Is the RNG actually random, is there an easy way for the site to increase or decrease a players odds of hitting cards that help their hands?? I would hope that sites would just be using a RNG and not "throwing" the game for some. Why would a site do that?? Well if people run out of buyins they will have to put more money on the site. This seems pretty nefarious but we are talking about a business, a good business is about making the most profits. The site makes money when you deposit money, on your rake and buyins but loses cash on hand when you withdraw. I'm am putting small amounts of money on sites and playing there strictly for experience. That is because none of the sites I have access to are regulated.

 

[Mariya]

Hello!!!

It seems to me that chance never happens because I won’t come to poker if they won’t earn a game. Well, of course, they also have bots that earn daily and every hour, you can even say, but it seems to me that they don’t have any random combinations. All planned combinations are the course of the room’s history.

 

[Mr_RichRich]

Absolutely not , RNG patterns are created by computer engineers , which are human beings .
There is nothing 100% random , but they do there best to always reach perfection by every new update.
i have played on many rooms out there , and in my opinion the most random shuffling cards room ever is "Microgaming" network , with way way less bad beats.

 

[Akshayreddy]

I just started playing online poker two months back with this covid -19 pandemic not allowing me to make to casino poker rooms as they all are closed
And I did experience such a bad beats and getting lost on river.
With the hands I have I could make way more money if cards dealt by the dealer
I suggest if you are a good experienced pokee player please don't give a shit at this online poker sites
Two reasons: 1. You will surely lose your money no matter how strong you are
2. You will lose your self confidence as a poker player

 

[Larry Sanders]

I believe that it is random, but it does seem at times it is rake generated. I just think the deck they use has 56 cards, with 4 extra aces. LOL. Of course I'm joking. Unless I have KK, Raise, Bet the 2Q7 board and get raised by A2o, which, as you know is a premium holding for micro-stakes, I Reraise, Get shoved and the A is there by the river...LOL...I honestly just look at the hands that knock me out of a tournament abd as long as I played it correctly, the results don't matter.

 

[Crash Burn]

Really random when it comes to playing cards, but talking about players playing cards, this is not random. Many are found at the poker tables. Recreational players with no sense of play.

 

[KristaK]

The code for any poker site’s RNG has remained top secret, leading many to wonder whether the cards are really dealt in a random fashion. CoinPoker, a cryptocurrency-based online poker site, is releasing the source code for the random number generator so you can see for yourself. Have you ever doubted the RNG on any online poker site?

hi hi shells :ciao:

since i start poker in may 2018, i hear continuous online poker is rigged
i disappointed & surprised you, a cardschat leader encourage this conspiracy garbage

major poker sites are licensed, regulated & continuously reviewed, by legitimate government agencies
mostly malta, gibraltar, ilse of man - you believe these governments are crooks too?
you really believe these multi million dollar (5 billion for pokerstars) corporations, jeopardize all that to scam players????

in my education we use rng, for social science experiments, i familiar with it... extreme difficult mess with it, are checks controls..
plus it need reason... why you change/alter random number generator?
so shells get more face cards? sorry that no possible
can make it that face cards more often, but it super complicated programming, violates license & is immoral

rng of the sites, are not bogus
the poker sites PokerStars, ACR, partypoker, 888, intertops, BOL, SportsBetting, unibet
support cardschat us/members
they wonderful - allow me play with zero investment - get $usd
they not bogus

i was in malta in november, i meet 2 boys work for stars groups security, they work so so so so hard keep all us safe play on pstars
they believe in that job & committed to it

i sad hear anyone suggest - these good people & the poker sites whom support us, are crooks, that total wrong
kick me cardschat but i no sit here allow false accusation

i wish a cardschat leaders support poker sites, NO call them crooks

 

[bempassado]

The code for any poker site’s RNG has remained top secret, leading many to wonder whether the cards are really dealt in a random fashion. CoinPoker, a cryptocurrency-based online poker site, is releasing the source code for the random number generator so you can see for yourself. Have you ever doubted the RNG on any online poker site?

Is Online Poker Really Random? Crypto Site Opens Source Code, Offers Reward to Test Shuffling RNG

I think who owes nothing, have nothing to hide. We will never be sure whether it is manipulated or not, but in my opinion they manipulate, after all, whoever runs the game dictates the rules and this is an egoic world where the desire for power and money prevails. If they have the chance to earn more money by manipulating the games even if they are hidden they will do it because they know that there is no one to stop them, after all it is we who decided spontaneously to play on the poker platforms of these companies.t

 

[Shells]

hi hi shells :ciao:

since i start poker in may 2018, i hear continuous online poker is rigged
i disappointed & surprised you, a cardschat leader encourage this conspiracy garbage

major poker sites are licensed, regulated & continuously reviewed, by legitimate government agencies
mostly malta, gibraltar, ilse of man - you believe these governments are crooks too?
you really believe these multi million dollar (5 billion for pokerstars) corporations, jeopardize all that to scam players????

in my education we use rng, for social science experiments, i familiar with it... extreme difficult mess with it, are checks controls..
plus it need reason... why you change/alter random number generator?
so shells get more face cards? sorry that no possible
can make it that face cards more often, but it super complicated programming, violates license & is immoral

rng of the sites, are not bogus
the poker sites PokerStars, PartyPoker, 888, Unibet
support cardschat us/members
they wonderful - allow me play with zero investment - get $usd
they not bogus

i was in malta in november, i meet 2 boys work for stars groups security, they work so so so so hard keep all us safe play on pstars
they believe in that job & committed to it

i sad hear anyone suggest - these good people & the poker sites whom support us, are crooks, that total wrong
kick me cardschat but i no sit here allow false accusation

i wish a cardschat leaders support poker sites, NO call them crooks

Hi Krista.

Thanks for your response which includes many good points! But one thing I want to clear up, the question asked is simply a question that does not lead anyone to believe I or CardsChat feels one way or another. The question posed in the first post, will always have a variety of answers but does not reflect how I or CardsChat feels - the news article linked in the very first post is the topic of the discussion, too.


Keep the comments coming!

 

[mclaughlinph]

I have even taken a 52 card deck at home and dealt hands over and over again to see if the variance is as high as it is online and there is no way it is. When you play in a casino over hours and hours the variance isnt as high. To me it is the pattern of how you lose in the MTT's and cash games which make me wonder. And it is the same pattern where you win some and your stack goes up once this has happened you plateau or level off at a certain point in the tourney or at a certain amount in the cash game and then you cant seem, to win anymore no matter how long you stay at that level and you begin to lose it. This is where the bad beats start to happen. Because you stay at the same level for a while and you cant seem to win anymore so you tighten up to keep your stack and you play only premium hands and this is where your aces get cracked and you lose a bigish pot. But you stay tight and wait and your next pot you lose to someone playing a draw and getting there by the river and you lose with your two pair or something like that. I think sometimes the fact that every-time you play the same pattern should not be happening regardless of how it happens it should not happen every time that should be a variant in itself just as much as you wining a bunch and going up a bunch especially with the human factor which is you the player and the decisions you make and the choices of cards you play should curve the variance toward always going up a bit and then losing it all. You should be able to go up and raise your chip stack and then lose some and then raise your chip stack and lose some and then raise your chip stack. Just as easily as your stack going up and then plateauing before you lose it all. For me in MTT's it seems to be the 2 and a half or 3 hour mark in a tourney when I go out. Or in a Cash game if I double or triple my starting stack. These seem to be the common time frames on when my winning plateaus and then I lose and not only lose but lose it all until I have to reload or buy in to a new tourney. This is a pattern over a large sample of games were talking two years worth of gaming. So I dont know if it is the rng or what or how but this losing should not be as consistent as it is. Losing should be just as inconsistent as winning is especially when you include the human factor of the person playing. And I am a person who has done a fair amount of studying I can obviously still learn alot and improve but I should by now be at least a winning player and not having to redeposit all the time. The only problem with me is my bankroll management trying to win at larger stakes then money I have which is largely why I have to rebuy but I dont mind that because I learn alot from playing better players at higher stakes and seeing what the higher stakes game play is like.

 

[5KINGLEO5]

we have to believe that the RNG is dealt cards, we are simply offered to play whether to play, to believe or not to believe. I agree that when the tournament starts for each player, hands are determined to win the tournament)))

 

[AizenFalck]

How can they prove that the RNG they make public is the one that they use?

Thanks.

My exact point of view, as they are going to prove that it is the one they really use, they would have to send copies of their servers using it and that is something that neither they nor anyone else will do, I think that what they are doing is just one more deception to be able to calm people who think that everything is really fixed. It is not like showing you the exit but showing you photos of the exit and making you believe that you are free haha

 

[partz]

If I remember well pokerstars did a video about this topic few years ago. Personally i think all is pure math so I dnno. Sometimes even the greatest players loose but overall i think theres a way to get profit from poker but theres not many who do that, talking about kk$

 

[elevator]

Good question

In some poker rooms there are a lot of bots and i heared some of them from the poker room

So i think some of "dishonest" rooms have algorithms for nonrandom shuffling

 

[Yonip17]

I think so its random. Some of poker site have a reputation and transparent.

 

[danydidi]

dany

i think yes , cause no need to invest in a software to suffle the cards ( cheat) while big sites like poker stars make maybe 1 million dollars per day .no need to cheat .

 

[thwenth1983]

No

Good afternoon everyone.
If I take a coin and bet on one side, I have a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing, everyone knows that, but if I play this game online, my winning will have to be the same, in case this does not happen the game has been programmed in a way that does not represent the real probability of winning or losing.
In poker there are several sites that use a different schedule and that try to simulate the same results as live poker, the problem is that some sites in this schedule, produces results very different from live poker.
Pokerstars has a schedule that makes the game have bad bet all the time, at a very high frequency, which does not happen in live poker.
I played on several poker sites and the BET365 site, where the results are very similar to the results of live poker, in the vast majority of times I get AA or KK I win. The problem with this site is that it doesn't have many players like pokerstars.
I just got eliminated in a pokerstars Mtt, villain tributed me and another villain was All in with AKo, hero with AA, and the villain who tribulated me had KQs, I lost to the 2 villains, and the probability of AA vs AKo is 94% chance of AA winning, at pokerstars there is a schedule that produces bad bet every time.
I play a lot of cash zoom at pokerstars, and AA or KK, against smaller pairs has an 80% chance of winning, I don't even win 60% of the time.
Is the draw of cards random? In my opinion, no. The pokerstars programming tries to reproduce results similar to live poker, but every time there are absurd results.
If you compare 1000 hands followed by a live poker Mtt and 1000 hands from a pokerstars Mtt, you will notice that at pokerstars the results are very different compared to the result of live poker, with a much larger number of flushs, strings, full and bad bets.
If you take a deck and play with your friends the results are random, in online poker the results are programmed.

 

[abbershey]

I do not know if it is the same way but they used to say that it was designed for action. Which sucks for good players....acr ceo interview made some reassuring points as to how they choose their card rotation.

 

[pjokay]

I think it's too risky for a site to not make it completely random as people are paying them to host the games. I don't know if any sites algorithms are better than others but I would have thought to have it set to pick a random card is not that difficult in programming and have got to be a lot fairer than live decks.

 

[PatValShark]

The law of large numbers always applies. Eventually it will even out. So regardless of shuffle, once it is consistently done the same way all the bad beats today even out to luck tomorrow.

 

[white_vision0]

For sure sometimes it feels like it is. Some hands are just to crazy not to be.

 

[PavelTimofeev16]

I think the handouts are all ready, but they are distributed randomly. But sometimes there are doubts.

 

[andreypuch]

Playing on Pokerstars sometimes of course there are thoughts about cheating RNG. When in the most ridiculous hands, the opponent gets the right card. With that, time after time, to the same player. But then I find myself wondering if it makes sense to wind up RNG, because the room already has a profit from us. My opinion-just someone in this distribution, lucky more.

 

[caracaski220]

caracaski220

I dont think its ramdom. I see online that a certain position would win severalhands in a row
if they stayed in. Later it seems to move to another position.