Egon Towst
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I highly recommend that you start each day by saying aloud to the mirror, "I am an intelligent person. I will not do anything dumb today."
Then slap yourself sharply in the face, to be sure you don`t forget.
arahel_jazz
Unbalanced and Committed
Silver Level
Oops... Amazon EC2 suffers a huge outage.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Cloud-Comp...ts-Service-at-Quora-Reddit-and-Others-136902/
Gee... wonder if the FBI screwed it over when they released the domains.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Cloud-Comp...ts-Service-at-Quora-Reddit-and-Others-136902/
Gee... wonder if the FBI screwed it over when they released the domains.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
Not sure what is your point with it hasn't even been a week??
How time is relevant for NON US players?. Not sure how much time takes for US players, but for me usually takes 5 minutes to cashout, so if i am NOT US player and is business like usual (they say that in the update anounce) why i need to wait to get my $ if we don´t have any issues???
Just see it this way, what if Aussies get bann (like in Carbon) but because of that everyone in the world (NON US and USA players also) get accounts freeze, and until that problem get fix can´t do nothing?.
With all the respect, and aside that i do care for fellow Usa players, why i should care that fulltilt have problems because USA FBI?.
Is like my Bank not located in USA and not been a USA Company but aloud USA people deposit there to invest say that can´t give me my $ until who knows when because they have problems with the USA Police
, oh but you will have it back so no worries.Not sure if you see the things how they are, but USA Players get screw because of the USA goverment wich is sad but is your goverment, but added to that the rest of the world get screw too because your goverment???
What a crap.
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the Styb
Rock Star
Silver Level
But online poker is not currently illegal… I think you mean sanctioned by the government.
1 - I think he just meant that it has only been a day since the DOJ and Stars agreed to release funds for US players. Not sure how or why this is affecting others though.
2 - I would think the world would be used to the US screwing them by now.
3 - I couldn't agree more!
The UIGEA Board by M Styborski, on Flickr
TheKAAHK
Bubble Punter
Loyaler
Not sure what is your point with it hasn't even been a week??
How time is relevant for NON US players?. Not sure how much time takes for US players, but for me usually takes 5 minutes to cashout, so if i am NOT US player and is business like usual (they say that in the update anounce) why i need to wait to get my $ if we don´t have any issues???
Just see it this way, what if Aussies get bann (like in Carbon) but because of that everyone in the world (NON US and USA players also) get accounts freeze, and until that problem get fix can´t do nothing?.
With all the respect, and aside that i do care for fellow Usa players, why i should care that fulltilt have problems because USA FBI?.
Is like my Bank not located in USA and not been a USA Company but aloud USA people deposit there to invest say that can´t give me my $ until who knows when because they have problems with the USA Police
Not sure if you see the things how they are, but USA Players get screw because of the USA goverment wich is sad but is your goverment, but added to that the rest of the world get screw too because your goverment???
What a crap.
They ain't my government. I'm Canadian.
Everyone gets screwed by the US government. They make it their business to do so.
Aside from that, my guess is the payment processors that got seized by the DoJ are the same ones that are used for all deposits/withdrawals, and thus we are all getting screwed until Stars and FTP can acquire/utilize new processors that will work for the rest of us. I'm sure that'll probably take more than the 4 working days that have transpired since Black Friday.
Just like with all things poker, patience is a virtue.
Charade You Are
you can call me Frost
Silver Level
Poor wording. Must be a result of all the brainwashing.
I should have said my right to play poker not restricted in any way.
MicheleW
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yep ... got it today. I put in a request for return of funds on 4/15. The funds were zero'd out with a payment due in 15 days. Today ... my funds are back in my account. So I guess we will wait to do this in "an orderly fashion".
looks promising.This way we don't have to worry about funny checks and cashing them.
tenbob
Legend
Silver Level
Yep ... got it today. I put in a request for return of funds on 4/15. The funds were zero'd out with a payment due in 15 days. Today ... my funds are back in my account. So I guess we will wait to do this in "an orderly fashion".
Hi Michele, its been a very very long time. Nice to see your still playing poker.
MicheleW
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hi Tenbob - Still playing, but not much online or anywhere in the last year with the economy. It took this crisis to come back to the forums. I miss them but haven't really been active. How have you been doing?
TopJimmy99
Rock Star
Silver Level
I'm still waiting for word from FTP with a similar deal. I hope they work something out too soon, then I'll just have to head to a casino or deposit on another site (which might get shut down soon too haha).
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
Statement from Absolute:
A statement from Absolute Poker:
Absolute Poker has retained Blank Rome LLP as United States counsel to provide legal advice in relation to civil and criminal matters filed in federal court in Manhattan and made public on April 15, 2011. Absolute Poker is aware that on April 19, 2011, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York entered into separate agreements with FullTilt Poker and pokerstars. These agreements concern the use of the respective www.fulltiltpoker.com and www.pokerstars.com domain names. The US Attorney, in a press release dated April 20, 2011, stated that the government is willing to enter the same agreement with Absolute Poker and UB.
At this time, Absolute Poker’s top priority is, and must be, the refund of balances to its and UB’s US players. However, given the far-reaching consequences of the US Attorney’s actions for Absolute Poker and for the entire poker community, Absolute Poker believes that the responsible course of action is to review with its attorneys the relevant court filings before taking any action.
Absolute Poker believes that the US Attorney shares the view that refunds to US players are an immediate and pressing concern, and Absolute Poker wishes to make clear that it wants to work cooperatively with the US Attorney to safely and efficiently return its players’ funds. To that end, Absolute Poker’s counsel has initiated communications with the US Attorney’s office and plans to continue proactively advancing those discussions.
A statement from Absolute Poker:
Absolute Poker has retained Blank Rome LLP as United States counsel to provide legal advice in relation to civil and criminal matters filed in federal court in Manhattan and made public on April 15, 2011. Absolute Poker is aware that on April 19, 2011, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York entered into separate agreements with FullTilt Poker and pokerstars. These agreements concern the use of the respective www.fulltiltpoker.com and www.pokerstars.com domain names. The US Attorney, in a press release dated April 20, 2011, stated that the government is willing to enter the same agreement with Absolute Poker and UB.
At this time, Absolute Poker’s top priority is, and must be, the refund of balances to its and UB’s US players. However, given the far-reaching consequences of the US Attorney’s actions for Absolute Poker and for the entire poker community, Absolute Poker believes that the responsible course of action is to review with its attorneys the relevant court filings before taking any action.
Absolute Poker believes that the US Attorney shares the view that refunds to US players are an immediate and pressing concern, and Absolute Poker wishes to make clear that it wants to work cooperatively with the US Attorney to safely and efficiently return its players’ funds. To that end, Absolute Poker’s counsel has initiated communications with the US Attorney’s office and plans to continue proactively advancing those discussions.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
It is interesting but think about this.
Charges filed include UIGEA violations, which pretty much eliminate any legal way to get those funds to US players. Now the DOJ explicitly states, and someone makes a big deal about how the sites are perfectly free to do business everywhere else in the world. ldo ! What arrogance to think they have to reassure the rest of the world.
The DOJ are playing games folks. There will be NO LEGAL WAY to get these funds until this case is settled. If sites send out checks, they are breaking the law according to the DOJ, same with any E-XFER.
Does the DOJ provide some specific exclusion that lasts for some defined period of time? If they do that, they undermine their case. Would be like Narcs allowing a dealer to unload his goods so he can pay for a lawyer.
If the sites combined here, they could put the screws on the DOJ. Suites for disrupting international businesses, and individuals, and harrassment. Bring in the WTO and create a cosmic shitstorm is what they could do.
I understand that at this point, the sites will want to retain the great reputations they have, and so will promote the notion of getting our monies to us. But suppose they know they will never again operate in the US, and decided to bribe the rest of the worlds players saying "we are not going back to the US, we can't send the money back, so we will divvie it up amongst the rest of the worlds players".
How big is your non american conscious ?
Charges filed include UIGEA violations, which pretty much eliminate any legal way to get those funds to US players. Now the DOJ explicitly states, and someone makes a big deal about how the sites are perfectly free to do business everywhere else in the world. ldo ! What arrogance to think they have to reassure the rest of the world.
The DOJ are playing games folks. There will be NO LEGAL WAY to get these funds until this case is settled. If sites send out checks, they are breaking the law according to the DOJ, same with any E-XFER.
Does the DOJ provide some specific exclusion that lasts for some defined period of time? If they do that, they undermine their case. Would be like Narcs allowing a dealer to unload his goods so he can pay for a lawyer.
If the sites combined here, they could put the screws on the DOJ. Suites for disrupting international businesses, and individuals, and harrassment. Bring in the WTO and create a cosmic shitstorm is what they could do.
I understand that at this point, the sites will want to retain the great reputations they have, and so will promote the notion of getting our monies to us. But suppose they know they will never again operate in the US, and decided to bribe the rest of the worlds players saying "we are not going back to the US, we can't send the money back, so we will divvie it up amongst the rest of the worlds players".
How big is your non american conscious ?
Charade You Are
you can call me Frost
Silver Level
Stars just put back the $ I withdrew when they first came back up for withdrawals.
Anyone with a clue in the DOJ would have come up with a plan for them to refund the money before they announce the agreement.
What a charade!!!
Anyone with a clue in the DOJ would have come up with a plan for them to refund the money before they announce the agreement.
What a charade!!!
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Dreams of Tragedy
dreamsoftragedy.com
Silver Level
look like things are going to get even more interestion now
You can read more at EGRMagazine.com.
Violating Global Trade Law?
According to officials in Antigua and Barbuda, the U.S. violated global trade laws by shutting down Internet gambling sites and they are considering taking action in the World Trade Organization.
"I don't think there's another country in the world that puts people in jail for engaging in trade that's lawful under international law," the Caribbean government's legal adviser Mark Mendel said. "It's as if Antigua would put Americans in jail for selling pineapples."
Antigua and Barbuda have waged a war against the U.S. over its attack on offshore betting sites. Harold Lovell, Antigua's finance minister believes that Friday's indictment was an "illegal attempt to squelch competition."
Antigua's government officials will meet soon to discuss whether to pursue this issue with the WTO to seek sanctions against the U.S.
Reuters.com has more.
Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/...dying-internet-poker-tv-poker-shows-10258.htm
Violating Global Trade Law?
According to officials in Antigua and Barbuda, the U.S. violated global trade laws by shutting down Internet gambling sites and they are considering taking action in the World Trade Organization.
"I don't think there's another country in the world that puts people in jail for engaging in trade that's lawful under international law," the Caribbean government's legal adviser Mark Mendel said. "It's as if Antigua would put Americans in jail for selling pineapples."
Antigua and Barbuda have waged a war against the U.S. over its attack on offshore betting sites. Harold Lovell, Antigua's finance minister believes that Friday's indictment was an "illegal attempt to squelch competition."
Antigua's government officials will meet soon to discuss whether to pursue this issue with the WTO to seek sanctions against the U.S.
Reuters.com has more.
Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/...dying-internet-poker-tv-poker-shows-10258.htm
pokerchris
Legend
Silver Level
The DOJ has to declare UIGFA is unconstitutional and illegal before transferring funds back to US players from those three sites becomes legal.
Otherwise the whole thing is a complete JOKE.
Otherwise the whole thing is a complete JOKE.
the Styb
Rock Star
Silver Level
The US has already paid off Antigua and the EU for restraint of trade claims. The settlements have been undisclosed under the guise of "national security" despite repeated attempts under FOIA. Not sure about the EU deal, but Antigua sued for $3.4 billion and the right to ignore US copyright and patent laws. The suits were brought in 2006 and the US court loss ruled and confirmed in January, 2007.
Charade You Are
you can call me Frost
Silver Level
Checklist complete?
Preet Bharara, United States Attorney - Southern District of New York is the reason you can't play online poker right now.
Three years after Lehman Brothers collapsed, no one responsible for the greatest financial calamity since the Great Depression has gone to jail. Bharara is winning his share of insider-trading battles, but NONE OF THE BANKS INVOLVED WERE SHUT DOWN!!!!
Preet Bharara, United States Attorney - Southern District of New York is the reason you can't play online poker right now.
Three years after Lehman Brothers collapsed, no one responsible for the greatest financial calamity since the Great Depression has gone to jail. Bharara is winning his share of insider-trading battles, but NONE OF THE BANKS INVOLVED WERE SHUT DOWN!!!!
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tusabes
Rock Star
Silver Level
Everyone is pissed about our money and it being in limbo or frozen or whatever. Me too...but, if I'm FTP or PS I pin the whole payback onto the U.S. government.
I wouldn't pay one U.S. customer back until it was legal to do so. To me it sounds like a trap. DOJ saying "transfer funds here". Seems similar to a cop saying "do you have anything in your car?" "We'll be a lot easier on you if you just tell us the truth". what they really mean is it will be a lot easier for them to arrest you.
If I'm poker site I take the stand and tell everyone once it's legal to transfer funds we'll do it. Then just sit on the money until it's legal. I'd be pissed that the U.S. broke international law and took away 25%+ of my business.
I don't believe we have any reason to upset with the poker sites. If you didn't know they were transferring funds illegaly you never looked at your bank statement and/or never read the UIGEA.
We chose to play and deposit.
Payment of the funds is great for our government b/c that's what everyone is concerned with primarily. So DOJ is feeling some heat from the public and cut this deal as a pacification to the U.S. public.
Once we're quiet the DOJ can get down to business so to isolate u.s. players from the rest of the world poker market. That's what I'm pissed about.
I wouldn't pay one U.S. customer back until it was legal to do so. To me it sounds like a trap. DOJ saying "transfer funds here". Seems similar to a cop saying "do you have anything in your car?" "We'll be a lot easier on you if you just tell us the truth". what they really mean is it will be a lot easier for them to arrest you.
If I'm poker site I take the stand and tell everyone once it's legal to transfer funds we'll do it. Then just sit on the money until it's legal. I'd be pissed that the U.S. broke international law and took away 25%+ of my business.
I don't believe we have any reason to upset with the poker sites. If you didn't know they were transferring funds illegaly you never looked at your bank statement and/or never read the UIGEA.
We chose to play and deposit.
Payment of the funds is great for our government b/c that's what everyone is concerned with primarily. So DOJ is feeling some heat from the public and cut this deal as a pacification to the U.S. public.
Once we're quiet the DOJ can get down to business so to isolate u.s. players from the rest of the world poker market. That's what I'm pissed about.
C
cAPSLOCK
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Ok, I'll play!
If you are FTP or PS then I'll be random poker goober living in Latvia with a ~15k bankroll.
No ****ing WAY I put a single CENT into your shady crooked grimy paws.
That's a pretty fun game!
Dunninger
Rock Star
Silver Level
Checklist complete?
Preet Bharara, United States Attorney - Southern District of New York is the reason you can't play online poker right now.
Three years after Lehman Brothers collapsed, no one responsible for the greatest financial calamity since the Great Depression has gone to jail. Bharara is winning his share of insider-trading battles, but NONE OF THE BANKS INVOLVED WERE SHUT DOWN!!!!
I can't wait to vote these bums out in 2012. Obama and his cronies are just doing this to try to collect more tax money. Any successful business is a target for them, and they want to dip into all of our pockets. No interest in catchin Osama Bin Laden but if you're playing poker you're associating with criminals.. Give me a break !
Dunninger
Rock Star
Silver Level
Interesting response from the host countries. I hope the sue the US for damages and win.
http://elu24.com/http:/www.elu24.com/antigua-says-u-s-online-poker-shutdown-was-illegal/
http://elu24.com/http:/www.elu24.com/antigua-says-u-s-online-poker-shutdown-was-illegal/
tusabes
Rock Star
Silver Level
Ok, I'll play!
If you are FTP or PS then I'll be random poker goober living in Latvia with a ~15k bankroll.
No ****ing WAY I put a single CENT into your shady crooked grimy paws.
That's a pretty fun game!
Soooo...you didn't play on ftp or ps?
If Latvia passed the UIGEA, yes you're taking a risk depositing snotty goober money.
This thread should be moved to bad beats and brags.